The REAL Problem With ‘PRIMOS’ Disney's New Controversy
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- Alright we need breakdown the latest Disney controversy with TV show "Primos" and WHY it's receiving so much backlash. Including RELEVANT research on the first impression and response from the team and creator Natasha Kline.
(Coming from the POV of a latinx born and raised in Latinoamerica)
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there's so much controversy about the show that no one's talking about how hideous the character art and animation is
It’s giving Clarence
I bet the stories are also gonna be paper thin
I saw one youtuber point out that one of the toddlers with a unibrow has a receding hairline. That made me laugh.
The animation style seems reminiscent of "Star vs. The Forces of Evil".
@@ThePrincessCH I'm sure the people who are working on this show probably worked on others Disney cartoons like Gravity Falls, Star vs., Big City Greens and Amphibia. Nothing wrong with that, though I have to admit I don't like the artstyle, but then again I'm not the target audience and as a child I used to watch tons of shows that some people consider to have an ugly artstyle but I don't know, even the things made by Klaksy-Csupo didn't look as bad to me
The show is based on the creator's experiences. The show is based in LA and apparently, a lot of US Latinos speak broken Spanish. In the leaked pilot it's even established that the main girl makes mistakes while writing and doesn't understand all of Spanish because once when her older cousin says something in that language she has to guess.
Would it kill the creator or the voice actor to clarify that's what's going on instead of calling Spanish the language of colonizers (Every language had ''colonized'' another. Even English has been influenced by French, Latin, German, etc)?
What bugs me the most is the art style and the designs. Is it mandatory that every Western cartoon makes its characters as ugly as possible? Their heads are larger than their torsos! And where's the variety? Another Disney show where a hyperactive girl is the main character. Isn't there another type of personality for the MC? Where are the boys, monsters, animals, aliens, etc.?
The creator actually did clarify that the main character didn't know proper Spanish on social media. Whether or not that was the best method to share that is questionable
The mexican characters have different noses too. The white passing cousins look different with different facial features. This is just blatant stereotyping.
If they had said it was broken Spanish and she was still learning it everything would have been cool. But the voice actress honestly ruined everything by trying to act condescending while calling herself a native (spoiler: if she is descendant of Mexicans she isn't, she probably also has European ancestry) and giving all Latinoamerica the middle fingee
IKR I don't care for the old Disney art styles much either, but it's art styles like this that I think look really ugly. Like, this is almost the fanboy chum chum level of ugly (a show I refused to watch as a kid, along with Lazytown and Mr Meaty, purely because of how creepy the characters looked).
Btw the creator/voice actress is totally wrong about the languages being "colonized", she's just using that as an excuse to be racist.
As a Mexican American with from a family that lived in Los Angeles for long time, this is very much based off Mexican-Americans living in a Los Angeles ghetto. It's very American-centric in this regard and probably won't appeal to anyone outside that. I think it's still too stereotypical.
Yeah, but that makes me wonder. How is Disney going to market this outside of the U.S.? All of their shows get dubbed into different languages for the international branches of their TV channels and nowadays Disney+ as well? The Casagrandes isn't as big of a hit as The Loud House was in Latin America, it helped that is a spin-off, but how are they going to sell this to the Latin American market, particularly in Mexico? I mean, perhaps the target audience, i.e. little kids wouldn't be so bothered by the stereotypes, but I don't think it'll be as big as other Disney shows like The Owl House, Amphibia or older shows like Phineas & Ferb or Kim Possible
It a comedy. So they are going to use stereotypes to make jokes
that does not excuse the name cuca and chacha
In Latin America, many of us are just tired about how hollywood stereotypes about Mexican Americans is what is understood and shown to the rest of the world of how latin americans are like. I literally had to explain in Hungary how I don't really have any experience with spicy food, how I don't really know how to dance and how in my country we only have 1 last name.. which is pretty annoying, because they really want you to be the stereotype and just to make friends, you end up playing along.
@@lalalala7738 yeah, I have to agree with you. Every time they talk about Latin American representation in U.S. media it mostly refers to Mexicans, sometimes people from the Caribbean and maybe Brazil (and sometimes Spain is even mistaken for a Latin American country). In some aspects I can understand it, Mexico and the Caribbean are closer to the U.S. and the majority of immigrants come from there, but it gets pretty tiresome that the term Latino is broadly applied to all of Latin America despite the differences between all of the countries in the region. I think this also applies to Africa and Asia
Points you missed:
1- Shoes in the eletric wires means they sell drugs in the place.
2- Neighborhood is not just a little run down. It is full of trash and the stereotype of "latinos are full of stray unvaccinated dogs".
3- The creator is giving a kind of a mix message. There is already a leaked episode and it shows that the main character is able to talk in spanish, but she has problems writing stuff. She is helped by someone from her family to correct her issue... Just include that in the opening LMAO.
I agree with you in thet fact the marketing is really bad. The show is presented to be like a love letter to latino culture, but the creators are saying it is about latinos in the US, which is confusing because you get his type of a mix message between what you expect from the show.
There are clear problems with research. The fact that someone belived that terremoto heights was a good idea is crealy a big issue... But not the main issue. The main issue is that that Disney wants to include "representation" but doesn't care about latino people at all. You can see that in twitter from time to time, whe they include the term "Latinx" but never try to consider real people opinion about disliking that.
Soy Latino y sinceramente me parece horrible esta cosa.
yo también😭
could you give me the link for the leaked episode if you can
Also, why does barely any CZcamsr who talks about this show. Doesn’t mention that a child’s name is literally a SLUR!!! ChaCha is a slur, if they just asked one person born from Mexico , they would have caught that immediately. Also, if this was a story about a black family and the name of the children were called , “Watermelon”, “Kolaid”, “Fried Chicken”. People would be up in arms but nope , all the names are awful. Also one of the girl names literally means “fatty” in Spanish. Hate when CZcamsrs talk about this but don’t mention that.
@@jazzyquack7905 facts there too
@@jazzyquack7905Gordita? I noticed that, too. They’d never have a show with blacks or whites with a character named “Fat”.
Coco is still kind of a sore spot PR wise because before the release of Coco, Disney tried to trademark The Day Of The Dead, and when they were called out for it they gave the very lame PR excuse that they did not know that the holiday was not widely celebrated.
Ironically, a couple of years after Coco was released there was a Mexican animated movie released called Día de Muertos. It was obviously made to capitalize on Coco's success in Mexico, and the creators said that considering they were Mexican they would make and even better job than Pixar in representing the holiday. The title was an issue since as it is was based on a holiday, no matter if the filmmakers were Mexican they couldn't use it but they find a loophole in the Mexican law and managed to use that title. The movie itself was a critical and commercial failure in Mexico, despite a somewhat heavy marketing and even hiring some celebrities and popular voice actors
I'm a comic book writer. I have a character named Britney Garcia who's 1/2 Latina. On occasion she speaks Spanish. I don't know Spanish! So I did research and asked my friends if I got the words right. My point is, check and DOUBLE CHECK when you make something you don't know a whole lot about.
THISSSSS!!!!!!!! I dont expect people who write about medieval fantasy to have live in medieval times but at least get important details right and NOT get upset when someone respectfully corrects something.
For example on GoT the creators, writers and author used to listen to fans corrections about horses, armors, weapons, etc. When they stopped listening you got all the sh1t from the late seasons when you can for example kill a dragon far above in the air with an scorpio but then those same scorpios are useless in actual firing distance.
I know this is an odd comparison to make, but the hate for Primos mirrors the HATE for Sia's movie Music. Just like with Primos, Music was based on Sia's friend who have Autism. The trailer for Music received backlash and even though Autistic actresses on Twitter tried to tell Sia that the movie was tone deaf and they should have got an actual autistic girl to play music, Sia basically insulted them saying they're bad actors and she knows what she's doing. It was a mess. When the movie came out on February, 2021 it was WORSE than we imagined. Not only was Music (the character, not the movie) was every bad stereotype of Autistic people personified but she's not even the main focus of the movie, they included scenes that have actually harmed Autistic people and it had flashing lights which autistic people are sensitive to. Primos comes off as tone deaf in the same way as Music since both products lacked proper research to portray a marginalized group. The only difference is I actually feel bad for the creator of Primos while I don't feel bad for Sia. Sia had a chance to fix the movie, but insist that it was fine. The creator of Primos still have time to fix her mistakes for season 2 of Primos if they already greenlight a second season.
No, no, you're actually right. That's similar to what happened with Sia and the whole "look at me, I want to nitpick the representation" to then just insult the actual representation
@@PDD555 It was just a bad situation all around.
Sia also gives me weird vibes when she's around kids. Like, she's kind of creepy around the actress she chose to play in the movie.
Also, it's not really an odd comparison, they're both offensive but in different ways. Before releasing Primos, Disney could have got a group of kids (most of them being Latino and Hispanic since that's who they're trying to appeal to) and ask them how they genuinely feel about the show instead of just releasing it like that! (especially since the show is for older kids and teens, I understand why people can't take ideas from kids when making a preschool show, but this show is meant for kids who are old enough to think for themselves). As a kid, I noticed stuff in some cartoons that seemed a little off, but I didn't know why until I got older and realized what they were doing.
Correction: they didn't turn off comments
The comments are automatically turned off if the uploader says the video is made for kids
That's what I was about to say
I'm trying to be understanding of the creator. As someone who is half-Brazilian, but has never stepped foot in the country and only experienced a few recipes as part of "culture", I can relate to the desire to connect deeper to your roots. My step-family is mostly 2nd generation from Mexico, and stepped in the culture enough to the point where I've experienced more of their culture than my own.
That being said, I'd never try to claim representation as a Brazilian or even Latin-American (one, by appearances no one would believe me, and two I'm not invested into that culture enough to feel it fair to call it my own). Not knowing the creator's actual childhood and experiences, I can't judge her on her creative decisions, but I can (and do) absolutely judge her on her lashback.
Her arguments about Spanish being a Conquistador language, not a Latin American one kind of rubs me the wrong way. Like implying that everyone who speaks Spanish (despite that not every Latin American country speaks Spanish) is somehow abandoning their heritage. Which is a horrible way to convince your critics that you care about their (and your own) heritage and are not insulting it.
Dialects aside, I still think it's a little tasteless to name a bunch of characters after stereotypical Mexican food.
I'm mexican, and actually the name "Nacho" came before the texan-mexican dish called "Nachos".
My father's family is from Piedras Negras, Coahuila (where nachos were invented). And there's the story of how the US people confused the name of the chef (Ignacio, or Nacho) with the name of the dish he made (Totopos with molten cheese).
But the name Nacho has been around Mexico for centuries. Even the general that fought the battle of 5 de mayo was called Ignacio, but no one called him "Nacho", because he was a respected general. But the tradition of calling Ignacios like that already existed back then.
@mrterry1756 that's actually really interesting! I love folklore and such, so that's actually really cool to know.
@@kibaelunal8827 thats also a reason why the movie Nacho Libre is so loved in Mexico, despite being produced and starred by USA people. But at least it shows a real mexican town with a ficticious name with ficticious people that portray so well the mexican culture (mexican of Mexico, not Mexican-american) and the mexican wrestling.
Also, the name Nacho I see it as if he was named Jorgito Libre or Chuyito Lucha.
Another series that is a 10/10 in 🇲🇽 is Mucha Lucha. If you hear the intro song, it's made by a band of Torreón, Coahuila, México called "Chicos de Barrio".
So basically Cartoon Network came to Mexico to ask for a Mexican band to make the music for a show that wanted to portray mexican culture.
@@mrterry1756 I used to love watching Mucha Lucha. It's been forever since I've seen it.
I think those Conquistador comments were made by a *voice* *actor* not the creator, who by everything i hear has been silent on everything except about mentioning Primos being inspired by her own life experience.
I think the reason "Primos" didn't have as much PR work as "Coco" or "Encanto" is because the film and TV production people are technically run by different people so they have a vastly different PR department. I once saw an interview where the people from the "How To Train Your Dragon" production team mentioned that the studio that created the "Dragons" TV series is considered to be a separate business.
So basically that "Dragons" v series is a knock off? Or is it just different team and ownership? Tbh, that makes me think of another example with the movie Barnyard and the show Back at the Barnyard, which is completely different. Both are technically Nickelodeon, (even though the movie is considered Paramount) and there's so many changes, plus the fact that the creator had nothing to do with the making of the tv show, but still technically had ownership. This is so complicated.
Honestly I also like a lot of Disney Channel shows, more than I like the Disney movies. Encanto and Coco are actually some of the few Disney movies I actually like (Its mostly the old classics I hate, like Sleeping Beauty and Little Mermaid). I do recognize that the team is probably different people but they still have to go under Disney's guidelines. Primos is just typical Disney, they been racist for 100 years! (there's old Mickey mouse cartoons where Mickey's in blackface). Idk why they chose to be racist 100 years later, probably because they hired the wrong people. I still baffles me how they got Encanto's culture down to the T, but they make one of the most offensive kids shows I've ever seen for Primos.
This is the most vitriolic hate I've seen for a new show in a long time, and it's not even out yet. I honestly don't know how it'll recover. The creator desperately needed to do more research before making this.
She won't, her response was pretty similar to the voice actress one, saying that she's proud with it and won't change
I think this show got more hatred than High Guardian Spice
Thank you for keeping words alive 😭
@@PDD555She’ll never grow as an artist with that attitude.
Eu que sou BRASILEIRO 🇧🇷 fiquei realmente ofendido com o show, imaginem os Mexicanos, Colombianos, Peruanos, Chilenos etc. É impressionante como THE OWL HOUSE que é uma série incrível e que de fato trazia uma personagem como a Luz que é uma excelente representação latino-americana, foi cancelado pela Disney é agora dá espaço pra um show estereotipado e racista como esse.
E tudo no programa da Luz é mais bonito que Primos
I never heard of this show,looks like disney's keeping quiet about cartoons again so they do poorly on purpose,and now it seems like disney is also sabotaging their own cartoons,why green light shows if your going to treat them like this? I will never understand that disney,haven't you've done enough damage disney? no?
as someone who is born and raised in California
depending on where fires are in the area the skies will literally look anywhere from a golden yellow to Armageddon where the skies are painted a infernal shade of orange and red where it's snowing ash and streets are barren
Same here. Imma be honest, when I first saw that establishing shot of the town and the sky was yellow, my first thought was "Oh, this must take place during fire season." WTF is going on with California right now?
You're a good human being. Rather than attack the show like a bitter rapid person, you're being optimistic and peaceful about the controversy. Thanks. ❤
as italian, i can imagine how mad would I be if disney made a show about an italian-american family where men wear gold chains and women cook all day and the city would be named "mafia heights" or something.... lol.... this is not representation as they claim. this is total BS. sending love to all the latinos and latinas out there.
Oh gosh no 0_0 I'm part Italian and if I saw a show like that, I would be leading a protest against Disney! Especially if the name of the town was "mafia heights". I totally think if Latino and Hispanic people are offended by this, they should let Disney know, because I'm totally on their side (and I'm a white American)
Sisters took the 'write what you know' to heart 💀
Creo que el problema principal viene de la concepción estadounidense de etnia y nacionalidad. Decir que una serie con personajes nacidos y criados en EEUU es representación latina es creer que se puede ser parte de una cultura sin ser parte de la nación a la cual esta pertenece. Puede que sea representación "Latin-American" pero eso no lo hace latinoamericano
PD: vi mucha gente quejándose del uso del término "latinx" y realmente no creo que sea algo tan negativo como lo pintan, puesto que el uso de la X o la E para representar género neutro sin usar el masculino como genérico es algo que ya se pone en práctica en el español de forma no oficial (si no saben de esto y quieren aprender, busquenlo como "lenguaje inclusivo")
Aquí está la cosa, Latinx no es lenguaje inclusivo (dejando de lado que el lenguaje inclusivo es imposible en muchos idiomas y lo normal en muchos otros, lo que lo hace algo redundante) el uso de Latix viene de los chikanos, ergo, los tipos hijos o nietos de inmigrantes latinoamericanos que nunca han pisado el país de origen de sus ancestros, no hablan el idioma, no saben nada de la cultura y solo se dicen a si mismos Latinx porque Latino/a tiene connotaciones que los avergüenzan.
El lenguaje inclusivo es un insulto al español, si quieren ser inclusivos aprendan braille o lenguaje de señas.
@@shar6389 1_ Lenguaje de señas no es español, es justamente otro lenguaje completamente distinto (y que encima tiene su propia forma de lenguaje inclusivo)
2_ El braile es una forma de escritura usada para remplazar la escritura, por lo que braile y lenguaje inclusivo no son incompatibles
Ahora bien, sabés alguna de las dos o simplemente te gusta rebajar a las demás personas que intentan hacer a la sociedad un poco menos discriminatoria para no tener que aceptar que, al igual que todos, sos parte del problema?
Dijo latinx
@@hasturthekinginyellow5003un invento de gringos eso es
As someone who also lives in the US I found the whole thing in poor taste, the song said the cousins moved in just for the summer and there was no confusion from that but seeing how everything looked dirty and how some of the cousins "looked" made me feel a certain kind of way, the main character is the only one wearing braces while also seeing her coming from a Mixed race marriage with her father being white; While some of the other cousins seem to have bad teeth (not to mention the thick hair and Unibrow), I don't know. It made me thing of how old Disney would draw POC from back then. It didn't made me feel represented, it just gave me second hand embarrassment; first thing I heard had to do with living in the hood with the bared wire and the shoes in the electric wire significant of drug dealing; while the country is in the mid elections and the some of the campaigns are being very aggressive with immigrants and their children, seems also like HORRIBLE timing. 🤦♂️
IKR I can't be the only one's who's also bothered by the art style. Like, the girl with the unibrow is like fanboy chum chum level of ugly (If you're not a 2000s kid like me, I'll just let you know that Fanboy Chum Chum was a show I refused to watch as a kid because the designs looked hideous and a little creepy). Tbh, there were a lot of kids shows I refused to watch as a kid because of ugly characters, idk why people think ugly characters attract children because they don't. I refused to watch Lazytown and Mr Meaty because the puppets looked so creepy also. I don't think I would find the designs in Primos to be creepy, just so ugly that I think it's they type of cartoon my 10 year old self would say "Looks stupid".
the other stereotypes and everything are bad too (the baby being named Cuquita which is slang for private part, and the town being called Terremoto heights and having shoes on the wires in the background). Like, Disney is literally going back to the 1920s when they had cartoons of Mickey Mouse doing blackface. This is horrible
I think that the number one thing that sticks out to me is the whole "cuquita" problem. Just imagine that someone's child thinks it's a cute nickname and starts calling their friend that in public. Kids will be kids I suppose, but it's probably comparable to someone calling their friend "pussy" or "vajayjay" and while most people in America probably wouldn't know the negative connotation, there are a lot of people who _do_ speak Spanish and would absolutely know the other meaning. I'm not sure how I feel about that... like... imagine they make toys and someone wants a "cuquita" doll like... no. Just no. I hope that at the very least they rethink that name.
I mean, there are still people out there named Dick
I think the show would’ve benefitted from centering around the conflict of the main character not knowing if she should behave “American” and embrace “American” culture (whatever the hell that it is), or if she should embrace the roots that go back further from her Mexican heritage, and maybe eventually realize that the idea of “American” culture is all BS and that what makes up America’s culture is an amalgam of all the peoples that make it up, whether they are Native American or colonial European or the more recent migrants who have arrived more in the recent decades, and that embracing her Mexican heritage is merely just an addition to American culture
This series is more offensive and discriminatory than the movie "Song of the South" for its racist polemic against mexican and latin american culture.
Everything was said very eloquently since you're a Latin American person your opinion on this show is very valid. However, there is a bit of an elephant in the room. When you look at the picture of the writers of the show I checked and saw aside from Natasha, only one writer was Mexican American while the rest were all white people. It's the equivalent of writing a show about women and only having one female writer in the room while the rest are all men. And you are right more care should've been put into this show. They did it in Ghost and Molly McGee and Amphibia with Thai culture. Even in one episode, Molly cries that she'll never be Thai enough for her family but her family reassures her she doesn't need to be as Thai enough because she already is.
Plus the voice of Camila Noceda is in this show
She is??
@@blighttism__ yeah
NOOOOOOO ok ok maybe it won't be too bad then? idk
Also a famous actress in Mexico is playing the grandma, ngl I hope they redeem themselves
🤦😡🤬 These Latin American stereotypes make me so angry and hate (the series and disney, not a specific person).
Hi from Brazil, I was born and raised here, this is offensive to all of us, because latin american stereotypes affect everyone born and raised in latin american countries, whether the country was "colonized" by Spain, Portugal or France
Sería bueno ver este video en español 🙏 Una de las críticas de las que poco se habla es de la controversia en cuento a la representación que viene de nuestras tierras. Desde que se estrenó, por ejemplo, Encanto me parece una película animada que se hubiera podido hacer en 2D desde Colombia si existieran los recursos. Un problema que he visto mucho es ese (y no es envidia o revanchismo, pero si se habla de representación latina lo que se hace en latinoamerica es ignorado a menos que sea trendy)
Creo que molesta que se levante la bandera de la representación latina y se sienta que esas empresas se están aprovechando, tampoco creo que la creadora haya tenido malas intenciones, el problema es bastante estructural (es el mismo de Cramen Miranda)
Yes! Exactly!
Este quizá sea el video más centrado y más crítico que haya visto acerca de esta absurda polémica. Es preocupante ver que la opinión mayoritaria se reduzca a personas de latinoamérica diciendo "Es estereotípica y la voy a boicotear". Y el crem (parte de este) no ha actuado de la mejor forma posible. Siento que es una discusión donde nadie entiende por qué están discutiendo en primer lugar. Pero de todos modos, gracias Cass por hacer algo tan simple como hablar con razonamiento crítico.
I’m Mexican, but long as the show is good, idc. Which I doubt. Speedy Gonzales was stereotypical but we love him.
1:40 CZcams kids videos automatically have comments turned off.
Me siento mal, por ver como la gente trata de representar a los latinos, es que no se sinceramente que decir sobre esto, aparte del típico cielo amarillo, que siendo sincera, prácticamente nunca he visto por acá. Quiero decir ni los Angeles se ven así, aunque entiendo por que la gente esta molesta, incluyéndome. Ojalá aprendan de esto, si es que realmente nos están leyendo y no diciendonos N4z1s gramaticales
I'm not Latine nor do I have Latine DNA, but I DISLIKE the Primos intro.
I'm not Latino, but I am a second generation Indian immigrant, and though I grew up around Marathi and Hindi, and speak both languages much better than most of my ABCD peers, my grammar is often poor because I didn't learn it properly. I make sentences based on what I think sounds right, not what I know is right based on rules, because I was never taught them. I think it makes a lot of sense, and is a nice touch of realism, that the MC makes basic mistakes in Spanish becaue she lives somewhere that is predominantly English speaking.
I think that most of the criticism toward the show is justified. However, the reaction to the saying "Oye Primos" is a bit much. If they were using a translator, then I'd blame the translator more than the people making it assuming the creator grew up not being well-versed in Spanish. But yeah, they should've consulted a PR team and did more research. I also don't think there's anything inherently wrong with portraying a large mexican family household since that does happen in real life. Sure it's stereotypical, but it's not harmful.
1:40 Actually all videos from the Disney CZcams channel has the comments turned off because the CZcams kids rule they added in 2020
Fuck COPPA! 🤗
I feel bad for the creator. Just a bit of research explains everything about the show that some people hate in ignorance.
Though yes, what the voice actor?, I assume, said came out as really condecending and the wording did make everyone misunderstand the actual context of the show.
Some americans demand from us mexicans and latin american people to speak or write near-perfect english and we're darned if we don't do, but when we latin american people (I'm not agree with that "latinx" label which is degrading and demeaning IMHO) point to them a valid grammar correction, then they go totally nuts and try to justify their mistakes in a smug, condescending manner undermining our valid complaints. Also, it's true that many latin families live under a same roof and that we use pet names among ourselves to show our kindness and love towards our relatives, but "Primos" does in a way that instead of being respectful or at least playful, it's totally "insulting and unnaceptable" (paraphrasing the failed words of a mexican politician who's on the run, hiding in USA). I did read a comment that goes like "usually mexicans love their stereotypes on mass media, which means that Disney did something unthinkable to get them really angry". And I'm agree with that. We love Speedy Gonzalez, unlike some "latinx" who think the character is offensive (why would be offensive a quick-on-his-feet, street-smart mexican who always beats the evil gringo cat?). We even loved Star Vs. The Forces of Evil which did an okay mexican representation, even with a typical dish of my howetown (Tortas Ahogadas) portrayed in an accurate way. It's not that hard to please mexicans and latin american people.
This, it's not even hard to make us be OK with things but they can't even manage to do that right
Also I don't agree with the whole latinx term, if anything use latine (although that's grammatically incorrect as well)
Mexican Americans get flak for being too Mexican or not Mexican enough for not speaking English and for not Speaking Spanish so this controversy jus seems like the later. Also in what way are these nicknames degrading.
@@jamaalmontemayor8173I don't remember all of them but Panchita and Nacho have been used to the extreme at this point, they are the stereotypical names used for Latino characters. It is as if you called your characters John, Jane, Troy and Chuck. Cookita has an adult meaning in a lot of dialects, and it wouldn't even be written like Cookie but Cuquita. Gordita literally means Little fat and while it can be used as a way to call your relatives with love here we never use it as a name. Chacha is a derogatory term to call maids as servants. If I remember any other name I'll write it
@@jamaalmontemayor8173 Well, I don't mind about Nacho and Gordita since they're common nicknames, but "Cuquita" (stylized as "Cookita" in Primos) is slang for female genitalia in several countries of South America and they surely knew because they used a stylized form of the actual nickname.
Thank you, I always appreciate someone who analyzes things factually and impartially.
Personally, speaking as an outsider (a Canadian of Indian descent), I've never seen more animosity between any country and a diaspora group than I have seen between Mexicans and what they call "No Sabo kids". Before this there was also the offense taken by the rest of the LatAm world when some LatAm youth in the US decided to come up with "Latinx", lol (wasn't a good idea imo).
The way I saw this show is that it was never supposed to be about "Mexican people", it was supposed to be about the Mexican diaspora and the "LatinAm" community in California. This is being told by people from that area who identify with that group.
I would never pretend to be anything like the Indians in India. I'm a mix of many things because of my environment, and my Indian heritage is only a part of that. If people like me were a food, we'd be like a
"butter chicken pizza with pineapples". The worst I've been told is that "you're not a real Indian", which I've accepted, but it's weird seeing some people point that out to me as if I expect people to see me as "a real Indian from India".... but it also isn't true that "I'm not Indian at all" as if my background and parents have had no effect on me.
But yeah, seeing that this show is supposed to reach a worldwide audience, the creators should have tested it out with some groups to see if there'd be any serious issues so that they could go back and try to do a better job of explaining things or avoiding outright causing offense unnecessarily/unintentionally. Other shows in history have made changes that way before. Way better PR and responses were needed. 100% agreed with everything you said in the video.
Encanto is ok but not sure about this series
encanto would be a billion times better series,at least it ha a better chance of not being sabotaged by disney's stupidity lately
The problem is that a series would probably not have the same crew that the movie did, so who knows how good it could be
I lover ur PvP @ad8495
Personalmente mi problema con el show es que se siente que simplemente no quisieron investigar un poco, acerca de cultura, lenguaje o si algo resultaría siendo ofensivo, cosas como el cielo amarrillo, ciertos nombres que podrían resultar inapropiados o estereotipados o llamar a la ciudad "Terremoto Heights" porque ignoraron el hecho de que Mexico tiene problemas muy grabes con los terremotos, y si, el show no ocurre en Mexico y ocurre en Los Angeles lo se, pero eso no quita el hecho de que llamar a la ciudad así puede resultar ofensivo. Si yo hiciera una serie sobre gente de descendencia japonesa viviendo en una ciudad en la costa de Estados Unidos llamada "Tsunami Hills", pues estaría mal no? Seria de mal gusto no?
Con todo esto no quiero decir que los creadores lo hicieron todo intencionalmente, sino que más bien, la falta de investigación y consulta hizo que ciertas cosas lucieran como estereotipos gringos que la gente nos pone. Fue más "Tone Deaf" como se diría en ingles en lugar de genuinamente querer usar estereotipos para representar a mexicanos.
Al igual, como Colombiana, no se si realmente tenga una voz con respecto a todo este tema. Tal vez me siento algo privilegiada porque mi país tuvo una muy buena representación en el mainstream gracias a Disney y Encanto sin recaer en estereotipos intencionales o accidentales y quisiera que otros países latinos tuvieran el mismo trato.
It's funny you mentioned how using 'tsunami' in a name can be insensitive; there's a Disney Channel Original Movie (DCOM) from 1999 called "Johnny Tsunami". I've never seen it, but from what I just read on IMDb, it's about a Hawaiian teen surfer who moves to Vermont & learns how to snowboard. I had no interest in watching this movie because of my issue with the name. (I'm half Japanese, by the way.) Turns out it's a nickname his grandfather had when he was a young surfer. I still feel weird about it, but now I have context haha.
Como mexicano, claro que tienes una voz en todo este tema. Este tipo de estereotipos nos afectan a todos como hispanohablantes y latinoamericanos. Y qué decir del diseño de personajes, hay unos como el de la chica que tiene la gran ceja que parecen más burla que nada
why is NO ONE POINTING OUT THAT THEY NAMED A CHARACTER *NACHO!?*
😭
So they didn’t hire ANYBODY with knowledge on language
I’m surprised Disney hasn’t full on shut down. They canceled the owl house, they tried to cancel nimona, (both lgbtq+ representative shows) plus comfortably showing their homophobia and transphobia. And now racism. Jeez, Disney. Do better.
Saying Oye Primos and altering the endings of latino / latina to lantinx / latine has a similarity. I really won't say anymore about that.
I don't think the viewers punished a corporation with words and legal usage of the first amendment that's supposed to make this country beautiful. The show looks like piss and I don't want to drink it.
The video was enjoyable so thank you.
lets theme song call Dave the Barbarian
A barbarian platypus?
PERRY THE BARBARIAN PLATYPUS!
4:44 whats the song name?
Idc either way but I’ll see what’s it’s about tho
I'm expecting a mashup of the Gasagrandes and Doug from this.
Disney took advantage of it's biggest success in our time!
latinx is an offensive term
Worst part was the hanging shoe like they knew what that really meant
I will be honest, I was willing to give it a chance, as yeah, the opening is bad, sorry, the song is an earworm, the designs are ugly, maybe is how she draws but...yeah, is not visually pleasant...but hey, there are shows I enjoyed that weren't so visually nice, but the yellow filter, the trash everywhere, not only inside the house but even the sign of "Terremoto Highs" has a barbed wire, but even so I was, "Maybe it will get better?" but the way the author and especially the voice actress replied... terrible, malo, no cariño, así no...just nope, I no longer wanted to give them a chance anymore...also this show is to represent latinx...which is like 2% of the Latinos, as we even dislike that word (we can't say that word in Spanish, to begin with)...
And the filtred pilot doesn't help, the protagonist is annoying (maybe will get better? But at this point, I don't care) and the show is boring and goes nowhere...in a way, is worse than the "Taco, taco, chimichanga", cause at last...that was hilarious, is so stupid it makes one laugh, which is not the case for the show...
There is no excist, Disney has done good Latinx representation before with Coco,Encanto, and Elena of Avalor, to name a few.
This is what happens when you allow Disney to be too liberal when it comes to creative freedom.
I’m as white as they come and I feel offended on the behalf of Latino people.
Maybe it’s the fact I’m a writer
7:35 disney and nickelodeon don't even care of there shows
So all this controversy is from a 1 minute trailer? Thats nuts, and that's why I had to jump on CZcams to see what's all fuss about. I was raised in LA, there's a lot of smog and pollution so not all areas have blue skies and green landscapes especially in the poor areas. There's small scale earthquakes pretty often, nothing major like in other countries but it is a frequent occurrence. So the depiction of location is pretty accurate. I can relate to having cousins visiting over summer, I don't recall summer camps being an option. Just like my experience is unique to me this creator's story is unique to her so I don't why people are so upset.
I'm from México and I can tell a little about why so much buzz about a 1 minute music-trailer (which I believe is the intro):
The videos shows too much and explains nothing.
And people that basically doesn't even know where California is, understood that the series took place inside a hispanicamerican country (like Mexico, Ecuador, Chile, etc.). Because there are also earthquakes in that zone.
Also, hispanicamerican people know basically nothing about the USA. They don't know that earthquakes also ocurr in California.
But then again, most thought the cartoon took place in a hispanic country, not USA.
And with that in mind, the video just never explains in an explicit way that they're inside USA. And that's why the rest of the video just seemed "offensive" for hispanic americans.
In the first frame, you have the sign of an Interstate Highway, but nobody of the hispanic reactions I've seen, have commented about that. Some even thought they were the colors of Chile (because they are), and that was a sign of being inside Chile, not USA. Also, the sign of Hollywood, that also not everybody saw.
It's like we as Spanish as our first language, saw a completely different video than the anglospeakers.
You said Latinx this show is for you
As the US-born son of Guatemalan immigrants, speaking in broken/grammerly incorrect Spanish, and out right not knowing word, is fairly normal among me and my brothers. So I can relate to the poor language skills.
Who knows? It might potentially be a running gag/joke in the show.
interesting
This will be a good watch
a chance? haha... no
One of the god damn kids are named vigania in Spanish i think
Los ojos....
I already know who’s the voice actor’s instagram page
I know someone named Cuca. I think it means something eithing other than something inappropriate.
Spanish words have a different meaning depending on the dialect and region, one one that's perfectly fine in Mexican Spanish can sound off-putting in Argentina, Peru or Chile. If this show gets dub into Neutral Spanish I'm sure some of the names will be changed, though perhaps that would be difficult since it seems they appear written in the opening sequence
Yes is short for Refugio. For English speakers you can compare it to the name Richard which the short version would be Dick.
It's the equivalent to Dick. Yes, it's a real nickname for a real name, but we all know the other meaning of it, so it's a bit off putting. Also it's very rare to see a young person be called Cuca, let alone a toddler.
Racist and offensive are strong words. Cringe and cliche I think are pretty on the money. I'm British living in Mexico so it's not really about me but I can totally see why someone would wince and be like "yet another bunch of negative stereotypes". I think it comes down to Hollywood never really knows how to highlight cultures positively. Negatives exist but they just always seem to be loaded in certain directions in US portrayal.
I think if this was about Latina American they should research and use corect info.
You know I've been curious about this because a lot of white people have been calling me racist over this. Where do hispanic people stand on being called Latino/Latina over Latin X?
I'm from South America, Argentina to be precise, and in the past 5 or so years there's been some push from progressives to use gender neutral language or inclusive language, but here in Latin America we do not use the letter X as a replacement, we use the letter E, so people started saying things like "Todes nosotres" instead of "Todos nostros" (all of us), but even then there's been a huge rejection to these practices and they're not enforced. Most Latin American people in general, including people I personally know, don't like the use of gender neutral/inclusive language and everybody I know hates the term Latinx since it is used exclusively by English speaking Latinos in general
@@pablocasas5906 Ok that helps. Latin X feels like something you'd only hear in North America. It would also sound weird because the letter X sounds completely different in Spanish and Portuguese.
@@terminalsarcasm well, the letter X has some different uses in Spanish for certain words, most of the time the pronunciation is the similar to English (i.e. words like explanation = explicación, extra = extra, mixed = mixto), but sometimes the X is used similar to J/G/H. For example, in Spanish Mexico is pronunced "meh-hee-coh"
@@terminalsarcasm true, it also has to do with the fact that Spanish and other romance languages do have an inclusive masculine conjugation. It's difficult to explain but using latines or Latinxs kind of breaks the whole language grammatically, as Latinos is already the gender neutral plural of latinos, both masculine and feminines together. The only exception is when you want to mention a group of only Latino girls, then you use Latinas as a plural instead. (Notice how I used Latino as a gender neutral adjective too, despite talking about girls) It also doesn't help that words that end with "o" or "a" don't necessarily correspond with the word of the gender or the gender of the person who can use them, like persona being a gender neutral term that means person and that anyone can use. There are also words that use "e" already as a default last vocal but are also masculine, such as ser, docente, etc. They also can be used to describe any person despite using masculine pronouns.
I'm personally more of the idea that latinxs or latines should be used to describe nb or lgbt persons (I'm part of the community myself) because using it to describe the whole latinoamerica population just comes as an imposed American term (American is becoming another imposed term on Spanish too) or as simply not wanting to learn the actual language and trying to change it nonetheless. Maybe latines can be a replacement of Latinos if the language evolves naturally, but for now I see it kind of complicated with how the whole language and culture are. Latinxs is definitely hated to the core by most Latinos. I know I wrote a lot but I hope it kind of helps.
"Latinx" is rather offensive, so we prefer "Latino/a" but no one who was born in Latin America would call themselves "latino/a" because our cultures are so different that there is no such thing as a "Latino" I am not Latino I am Mexican, someone born in Yucatan is not a Latino but a Yucatecan, someone born in Brazil is not a Latino but a Brazilian, etc.
The more I watched the more it made sense that a lot of the creative choices came from the personal experience of like one person who is Latinx but never was fully involved in the culture from growing up in America. I don’t think it deserves all the hate its getting at all though when everyone was ok with The Casagrandes on Nickelodeon
Also I’m so happy you mentioned Chile because I’m half Chilean and Chile is not always recognized when talking about Latin America ❤
Dijiste latinx claramente no eres latina nadie usa ese invento
Lol she be spittin facts
Can we just point out that she is pausing every second
Oof 😅
I swear,
why do we have to go from an amazing depiction of Witchcraft and LGBT
with some really good storytelling and characters.
Then we get some unadulterated racist crap envolving a lot of controversy?
Lame.
shes trying to defend this crap so bad..
Los estereotipos no me ofenden en lo más mínimo. Lo que me ofende es lo aburrida que es toda la basura woke que produce Disney.
This is why I abandoned 2023 movies and TV! If anyone of you want to see a good Charlie Chaplin movie, come see me.
It feels like someone is bullied in life, and Disney says
ill help you out with our woke representation-o-matic system
to make cartoons but it only makes it worse by pitting the people against her due to machine being out of touch with the actual people.
Wasnt velma the same story? Though i feel kinda more bad for the primos creator public image.
It's bureaucracy on making cartoons
can people please give this show a chance when it comes out this fall it really dose not look bad at all
Yes it's bad. You're American, and that's why you can't even grasp how offensive and stereotypical is this show at its current incarnation.
La verdad es grosero, ni siquiera ofensivo y que este basado en las experiencias de alguien es triste.
@@pinkieboylol9478 La cosa es que son solo las experiencias de la showrunner, ergo, no es la experiencia colectiva de la comunidad chicana o latina en Estados Unidos (porque ella se asume como "latinx", así como la creadora de este video: Diosito las perdone) 😬
@@BunnyfriendMX Pues si, latine y latinx son términos de la comunidad para referir a personas no binarias :) (la cual es mi identidad). Que estén o no en la RAE es indiferente ya que es solo un compendio (no un reglamento) de España que NO determina el patrón de lenguaje, si no que se adapta al lenguaje que nace de la población. Pero es un concepto por separado de la nacionalidad y origen étnico. Tampoco tiene que ver con la religión amigo, pero el video está para explicar la controversia y analizar cada punto que se levantó en contra del trailer para ser imparciales. Se concluyó que la mayoría nacieron de un malentendido o fueron contraargumentadnos (Como lo de filtro naranja). Ya si alguien quiere ve el show o no, es totalmente dejado a preferencia y es válido.
@@CassHouse. Desde mi punto de vista como mexicano (y por añadidura como latino), la palabra "latinx" es ofensiva para quienes somos nacidos en América Latina porque sentimos que degrada nuestra lengua nativa y es una imposición de "imperialismo yankee", a diferencia de "latine" que también es criticada por grupos conservadores pero tiene una pronunciación más natural, I mean, it rolls out of the tongue easier than "latinx".
Por otro lado es difícil ser imparcial cuando durante esta semana la showrunner de Primos lanzó una serie de posts en redes sociales donde se victimiza y apela a la simpatía de sus seguidores de una manera muy artificial, mientras que por otro lado se liberan leaks del episodio piloto (2 minutos animados, el resto solamente animatics) en donde se muestra a Tater como una niña egocéntrica, que no aprecia a sus primos y que quiere imponer las cosas a como ella quieren que sean sin hacer ningún tipo de compromisos: entiendo que esto sea una premisa para que ella misma descubra que su conducta está mal, pero los leaks solo provocan que quienes ya odiaban al personaje lo terminen odiando aún más ya que para muchos no es una niña latina: es solamente una niña "gabacha" disfrazada de latina usando ropa desgastada y chanclas.
Wow, those prices in Los Angeles are high up to the shit