@@mauanderuk I have the X555ES which is one of the high end CD players just 1 down from the x777es. As far as I remember the only difference between the 2 is the777 featured balanced outputs as well as unballanced and the 555 had fixed and variable unbalanced. Weighs in around 14KG. Solid copper chassis and real wood side panels which I removed as it needed to fit in my rack but I hung onto them for future use.
Up until early 90's ES meant something, they were better built, more refined electronics, better power supply, more metal less plastic... It was Sony higher line of HIFI equipment with great attention to both audio quality and materials. But then Sony started slapping ES on everything: the same unit sold in one country as a regular hi-fi component is sold in other countries as "ES". MultiCD changers were never meant for audio enthusiast i really do not see the point of an "ES" CD Changer. I am not surprised at all it is basically a regular CD changer with more buttons on the front and a double plater in the top cover.
TBH, that just sounds like cargo-cult snobbery that has circulated the industry since such things were invented. I think we've all internalized that, and maybe it became a self-fulfilling prophecy where they never sold to audiophiles because audiophiles would never buy them, and thus why go to the nth degree to make them audiophile worthy. But, technically, there's no reason a CD changer can't be 100% as good as a single-CD player. Think about it. What's the actual difference? One has a tray with a slot for one disc. The other has a tray with slots for 5 discs. The transport itself still has to clamp around the disc, and once it does, it's no longer in the tray -- so the part that differs is completely out of the picture. The transport quality, the features implemented in a microcontroller, the DAC, the PSU and filtering ... that can all be absolutely identical between a flagship 1-disc player and the changer. (With, of course, the exception of a little extra code, another motor, and a few parts to physically manage the turning carousel.) I'm not sure what it is about audiophiles that insist on minimalism, like some rite of denying yourself convenience is necessary to enjoy the experience more. Even ridiculous stuff like "turning off the digital output for... you know... signal purity" -- it's just ridiculous. CDs are digital. They have to be decoded. There's GOING TO BE a microprocessor running at all times, because there can't _not_ be. Is a lit display on the front going to be the thing that wrecks the analog output, or is it going to be the CPU and motor driver? To me, the whole "ES" thing was always about making small choices in the engineering. I build stuff -- just for fun -- and sometimes I have to choose between the 40 cent part and the 197 cent part. They both do the same thing. The extravagant one might do it 1% better. If my goal is perfection, I go for that extra 1% and let it accumulate with all the other 1% improvements. OTOH, if I'm going to use it as background music in a restaurant, the cheaper part is already overkill. There may be no other change than which capacitor I chose in a critical part of the circuit. It always struck me that THAT was the real difference between ES and non-ES devices. You paid a little more to get slightly more expensive parts when the engineer had to pick between frugality and performance. The rest of the box might be exactly the same -- because if you weren't making any compromises on the basis of cost anyway, then why reinvent the wheel? Maybe you get a fancier front panel, a metal knob, and gold-plated RCA jacks just so it _feels_ a little more premium, but otherwise, why change things that are already not the bottleneck?
@@nickwallette6201 Audiophiles actually were the first to adopt CD players. After all when they first hit the shelved they were bloody expensive. A changer or jukebox can and does sound as good as a single disk. As you pointed out once the disk is clamped in it is read by a laser and as long as the processing electronics are the same there is no reason that a multidisc changer won't sound identical to a single. The only real reason for a simgle is for that "I want to select my CD from my wall of discs and load it and play it start to end mentality of vinyl users. It doesn't matter that only bands 1 and 5 are good and 2,3 and 4 suck, a true audiosnoob will listen to the garbage tracks because they are "listening to an album". 5 disk units are nice because you can load 5 discs up and put in whatever 5 you want to hear. The mega are really nice because you can load 50 to 400 depending on what unit you have. I have 3 200 disk changers. 2 in use 1 spare. What is nice is one can control the second. So I can load 400 discs throw it in random / mix mode and while one is playing the next disk is loaded in the second changer and as the first is ending the second starts and there is a 2 second fade on the first. While the second plays player 1 finds and cues up the next track and when the second one finishes it cross fades back. It is so cool to watch the 2 players in automatic playback mode. Looking at a computer screen ruining a music automation like Zara is pretty boring. (zara is a radio station automation program, which I run for stuff on the PC as it's great but nothing like watching 2 CD changers just do their job and the discs in the carousel spinning back and forth as it loads the next disc. I ripped all my CDs and burned compliation discs on CDR to load into my players, so I only hear the tracks I like. None of the filler garbage. I do consider myself an audiophile BTW. I have multiple systems, both tube and SS and vintage equipment like a macintosh 1600, sansui 9090 as well as several other amplifiers and receivers that I swap out to listen to.Unlike the audiophools (there is a difference BTW, the latter overspends to get equipment) a real audiophile doesn't spend ludicrous money on the toys. He is patient, and waits for specific equipment to come up in estate sales ect, andgets his stuff for next to nothing or for free. Free is good and that is how I got a fair bit on mine including my technics SA700, sansui 9090, mcintosh 1600 and many other pieces and speakers.
I thought the 2-22-3 could be a Japanese style date in the early Heisei which would get close to it, but no: It's an address to contact for warranty replacement. 2-22-3 Shibuya in Tokyo - the 〒150 is a Tokyo postal code.
I have an Sony ICF-sw100 was sticky I sprayed it and let it soak in silicone oil and that fixed it. Not sure if this works on all types of this coating.
Well, it depended on the model, whether it was Pioneer Elite, Sony ES, Onkyo Integra, etc. For lower end models of the line, there wasn't much to differentiate a Sony ES unit from a regular Sony model. Of course, you started to get more unique features in a Sony ES unit the higher you went up for the model ... with a concurrent increase in the retail price. A Sony CDP-X111ES was the lowest end CD player of the line for the era it was made. Rudimentary resonance dampening of the top metal cover by affixing an additional metal sheet to the inside of it as well as a front aluminum faceplace. Next up would be the CDP-X222ES, which was almost equivalent to the CDP-X333ES in terms of sound but still using a standard disc drive like its lower end sibling. Then you had yourself the CDP-X333ES, a midrange model with certain unique features over the lower end offerings, such as a linear motor for the optical pickup instead of a gear train for faster and smoother random access operation, and dual power supplies, one for the digital side and the other for the analog side. Then you had the CDP-X555ES, next up with all the features of the X333ES but now with a copper chassis with frame and beam construction and compartmentalized assembly, and some circuit boards are made of a glass epoxy substrate while other boards still used a phenolic substrate. Then there is the CDP-X777ES, which had a seriously built disc drive (which is not so easy to find parts for, unfortunately), even beefier dual power supplies, all circuit boards use a glass epoxy substrate, very high end D/A converters and more elaborate analog output circuits featuring balanced (XLR) outputs in addition to standard unbalanced outputs along with both optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, and so on and so forth. As for the CD player I have, I use a Sony CDP-X229ES (basically the same as the CDP-X222ES). It works well and sounds nice, though I've connected my CD player to my STR-DA4ES receiver via S/PDIF to handle the D/A duties. The X229ES uses a more commonly available optical pickup compared to the X333ES, which was one reason why I went with it.
I actually think the manufacturers were initially not averse to including features that facilitated recording. Because to them, it was just common sense that you buy a tape recorder to record things and most people are just naturally going to want to make mix tapes and so forth. As I understand it, things didn't get too heated until digital recording started to become available. To this day, they still put that stuff that goes sticky on things. Every time I buy a new mouse I have to make sure it doesn't have that stuff on it.
My C555ES is very nice, and plays SACD, also has surround outputs and digital outputs coaxial and optical as well, so I think that is a better 5 changer than others. in the inside of it, it is also different with a ton of fat golden caps, the tray is sandwiched between the caps and the bottom of the unit, which makes it a bit more problematic to work on. But it works perfect. Got it free cuz it wasn't opening, which of course it was only a belt that was stretched out. Luckily it has a special bottom opening to change the belt. Nice unit in my opinion. Sadly missing the remote. (Also plays CDRW and all the other ones)
@@adsbadsb9488 i bought a $8 bag with a ton of different sizes to repair a few tape decks, maybe like 20, from an amazon store. I was lucky that one of the smaller ones fit on the CD player. I forget the name of the seller, I believe it was Chinese.
@@adsbadsb9488take it out, meassure lenght and Search for drivebelt in your size/lenght, its a try and error sometimes so you might want to buy 2 lenght and see whats the closest to the org.
Dave, one way you can realize whether the unit has the "ex-change" function (besides the presence of the button on the front) is looking at the holes of the CD trays: if they are open to the exterior, it has the ex-change function. If they are closed, it doesn't have it.
Hi, i was wondering if you could help? I have a sony ccd-tr918e that strangly plays back only video8 without issue. Hi8 recordings (including its own) are distorted and appear out of sync. I've reseated connectors and used the fingernail method. Any help is greatly appreciated
Hey Dave, Just wanted to ask your expert opinion, I have a Sony CDP-S41 CD Player from 1991. Plug the player into the Mains and press the power button, the player does not turn on, If I leave it powered up for about 3 to 5 min then the front display turns on and it works. The sound is slightly distorted but comes good after another 2 to 3 min. I have replaced all the caps except the for 3 on the laser assembly. It will work fine all day until it is left off for more than about 1 hour. Thanks.
17:00 to 18:00 very interesting audio. Somehow your voice takes on the eq settings of the player. The differences between the CD formats, and DVD formats, were the location of track 0, index, and text. Refer to Red Book, White Book, and Yellow/Orange Book. According to Sony. CD-R, CD+R, CD-RW, CD+RW, KODAC 01, KODAC 02, KODAC IMAGE, KODAC PHOTO LAB, and many others.
Listening to CDs in a large stadium is a feature in any CD player that I’ve never had heard of. Listening in a lively matter was something that Sony ever featured on their hi-fi players. Imagine you’re in a club dancing out to your favorite songs, it can be emphasized using the EQ and reverb controls on the control panel on the cd player itself.
That and the CDP-302ES had one of the best linear drive sleds Sony made. Very fast response from track to track. The cool window that was tinted and backlit was cool too, you could see the CD spinning with the door closed. I turned up the power to the laser a bit to get it reading, and it still plays every CD I can throw at it, even CDR's play and don't skip. That was 20 years ago, my son owns it now.
@@lachlanlau If the laser is weak and having trouble with regular store bought CDs, it certainly won't play CDR disk, the signal is even weaker. I think Dave may have a video of how to turn up the gain on the laser, and I know it is not recommended because it will shorten the life of the laser, but what have you got to loose? Service manual is available on Hifiengine.
I wouldn't have thought they had multi disc CD players that could play CD-R and CD-RW's back in 1982. Wasn't that the years CD's and players first appeared on the market? I didn't get a player until 1989, and it was a single disc player. I don't know if Walmart had multi-disc players for sale or not. Interesting video, and that's amazing that the batteries held a charge for that long. They usually dry out.
FWIW, the Sony D-5 (or D-50, depending on where you are when you ask) was Sony's first portable ... _technically_ battery operated... or operable... player. It plays CD-R just fine. The biggest problem with CD-R is how well it reflects IR -- particularly, the difference between the reflective and diffractive bits. It doesn't have the optical "dynamic range" of a pressed CD. In the early days, laser optics were usually calibrated for the right amount of intensity (on the laser) and gain (on the pickup). Later, that stuff was handled more and more by servo circuits. So, on an earlier player, if it were calibrated for pressed discs (which it would be, because CD-R wasn't a thing yet), then it would work only if there was enough margin in the RF amp's gain and bandwidth, and the detector's ability to distinguish noise from signal. Some players had it, some didn't. It was a crapshoot. Later players could just improvise .. e.g., by increasing the pickup gain when confronted with a weaker signal. There are still limits, because at some point you're just amplifying noise and trying to interpret it as a valid signal. But it's at least able to shift a little. That was the whole "CD-R compatible" thing. It was just the vendor saying, "yes this transport is able to cope with the different optical requirements of CD-R discs." It didn't really take much, if anything, to add "support" for it. Just a little extra attention to detail, maybe a tweak or two in the front-end analog circuits or the code handling it, and some practical testing. Then you can hand it over to marketing to do their thing. AFAIK, CD-RW is the same, just with even less ideal reflectivity, but I'm not actually positive about that. There may be some on-disc differences to accommodate the ability to append and change data, whereas on a pressed disc or CD-R, once you've recorded the TOC, that's it. All you can do is write a new session (which most players don't recognize either.) That's all inside baseball that, unfortunately, I've never been privy to, but would love to know more. I HAVE been able to coax the CD player in a prior car to play a CD-RW disc, when it wasn't designed to do it. It took a few tries, and wasn't very resilient, but it did manage once. That tells me, whatever's on the disc could be interpreted by a player that wasn't made to read them.
I had this one and a a C67 that was nicer. Replaced it with a CE595. The S7700 is my favorite I have about 10 Sony CD units. Lol I never used the effects.
CD-RW was introduced in 1997 so most CD players made before this year would not play them. My Technics SL-PS670A was bought in 1997 and will not play them.
If they really wanted to make an upgraded unit, instead of using different paint, and fixing "resonances" by gluing plates into the lid to make it feel more substantial, they should've added a feature that actually does something - a cd demagnetizer! 😛
To get rid of resonance, I don’t get it, add another sheet. Now you have 2 vibrating tins. Your glue on the seams help, would make more sense if the whole sheet was floated with glue. I know you didn’t design it, I’m just amazed some of these engineers got paid. I’ve always assumed ES stood for elaborate scam.
Open up a technics 1200tt and you will be in shock. If he uses the right kind of dubbelsided tape with foam inside the extra cover is a vibration damper. Sry 4 bad english😂
It's damping. Panels of aluminum or thin steel vibrate, particularly at their resonant frequency. The heavier it is, the lower the resonant frequency. If you can get it low enough (by making it stiffer and/or heavier), then it becomes irrelevant. Now, does the resonance of a sheet of metal covering the top of a player matter to anything or anyone? Probably not a whole heck of a lot. The player is already tracking a disc that is spinning at a few hundred RPM, and wobbling in the X, Y, and Z axis, one mm above the optics. Is the sheet metal, vibrating at 150Hz, going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back? Nah. But, if you paid double for a box that was engineered to have a 3dB quieter noise floor, you would probably be turned off by a floppy top panel. So, fine, glue another piece of metal to it. Now it brings the goods and feels more expensive too. Psychology matters.
@@Error2username I can modify my standard sony cd player to elevated standard by adding heavy sheet metal on the inside and give us some gold trim on the outside and if I really want to go to the for the gold. Add some stained glossy wood on each side of the unit.
@@robertoney5665good for you, but it will never sound like a cdc707es, dont aim for the cheapest of the "best" its usualy what it is, cheapest, and for a reason, yet good enough for most of the ppl👌
From what I have read it followed the same spec as DAT, which was 100 frames spread over 3 seconds, as DAT was used as a mastering format for CD, so the tapes would be transferred directly to the EFM modularor where 8bits were turned into a 14 bit PWM for the cutting laser. Yes I know the PCM is 16 bits, but it was split into 2 8 bit words for conversion to 14 bit PWM. This is because the laser could not write 10101010 The minium it would write is 3 ones and 3 0. So the 8 bit code was turned into something that had at a minimum 000 or 111 in sequences. so for example you could write 11100011110000 and any combination that. 11110001111000, 11111000000111 ect. The result was a PWM type waveform that when reversed went back to the original PCM signal. It however did lead to newer converters that could work at the single bit level (MASH - ,ulti stage noise shaping) where the PWM encoded waveform was converted directly back without going back to PCM and then D-A
@@12voltvids It's definitely 75 frames. If you've ever used authoring software, either burning programs with really good audio support, or something Adobe Audition, SoundForge, etc... there's a timescale specifically for audio CD that does M:S:F. I've been using software like that since I was a kid ... Cool Edit on Windows 3.1 > CE Pro on Windows 95 > Audition on XP and Win 7, and now Studio One. Also been knee-deep in CUE files to make or archive CD audio discs since the late 90s -- remember Golden Hawk Technology's CDRWin? I cannot even count how many mix CDs or band demos I crafted by hand, wrote CUE sheets for in Notepad, and then burned at 1x to keep the buffer from underflowing on old 9x systems with antique recorders. Trivia like that is etched into my brain forever now. haha While we're nerding out, EFM is more about clock recovery. You can't have long strings of consecutive ones or zeroes, because there's no clock signal in a bitstream read from disc, nor SPDIF (e.g.), or many other serial protocols that only have a single data line. So, you derive the clock from synchronizing on the transitions between bit states. If you have too many of the same state, ergo no transitions, then your source and derived clocks start to slip, and you don't know when exactly you should be sampling the input anymore. Then you end up missing bits, or reading the same bit twice, or reading on the edge of bits, etc. Since there's no reason you couldn't have a long string of digital silence (PCM sample bytes of 00000000), particularly on lead-ins and lead-outs, then you need to be able to encode words like that indefinitely without losing clock sync. EFM ensures this by adding bits to every word, such that no valid code word contains too many consecutive ones or zeroes. Any 14-bit combination with more than a couple in a row is dropped from the code table. With the extra 6 bits, the remaining codes are all "random" enough to keep the clock recovery fed. There are dynamic bit-stuffing alternatives that just lengthen codes that need more transitions, without affecting the length of codes with sufficient transitions, but then you end up with variable-length words, and therefore your storage capacity depends on the data instead of always being a predictable fixed length. I guess, with CD, they figured there was more than ample capacity to "waste" some on superfluous extensions, and in return, they got a more straightforward decoding algorithm (easier for early digital hardware to accomplish) and a guaranteed known capacity.
This isn't mine. I do have a cdpx555es however which IS a real ES product. Bought it brand new for 300. Dealer cost while "suckers" were paying 1400 for it.
I also remember back in the '90's, when Dick Smith Electronics was a thing, they were selling CD Karaoke machines that could even change the speed of the tracks. I don't think they were Sony, though... not sure off hand what they were.
Doesn't matter the age of a CD player, just how many hours are on them and which type of pickup it has. Some pickups just keep on truckin. I have a stack of 2000's cd players that all need new lasers (Arcam, Audiolab, Cambridge Audio etc.). The only truly reliable player I have is a 90's Rotel 945AX.
The entry level ES models were based on the better ones from the standard range which Sony called them QS, but the very expensive top end ES were far superior. Still overpriced but they did offer a superb performance. Pioneer did the same with their Elite range, i still have some of their Laserdisc and Blu-Ray players that are continuing to work well after all these years.
In the USA the QS line was also called ES. Only in the USA the mid level line was called ES. In Japan and Europe most ES models were really high quality.
@@KR1275 Now it makes sense, i once bought a Pioneer Elite blu-ray player that was only sold in the USA, but it was exactly the same as the standard range one sold in the UK. Here in the UK, Sony intoduced the QS line to give the standard range a higher tier with metal rather than plastic front panels. The entry level ES models wre only slightly better, you had to go higher up to the top tier models to gain any performace improvements.
I think you mean "were" not "where". Lol. I also wouldn't put it past Sony to add the plate to make it heavier. The mentality of the general consumer is "oh, it's heavier, must be better build quality!".
Its a good thing ppl take it in for service, ppl doing this without having insight in the product, well we all prob buyed something destroyed by the prevous owner
Did most ES units have improved connectivity, or was that not often the case? Does this unit have digital connectivity, such as toslink or coaxial? On the whole I agree though, Expensive Shit.
I can't speak for cd players, I prefer marantz for that function, but with the sony minidisc decks the es units did cost more sound and record better however they have not stood the test of time. I service and repair minidisc units and would today recommend the decks that use gears for the eject mechanism ignore 330 340 500 650 es or non es just buy a fully serviced unit with above gears instead of belts a low use clean one of those with the highest attrac you can get today is best the robust solid more basic units are still great.
or how about just skip outdated junk all together, and use something that uses solid state storage - it's 2024 now, not 1996, there's really no reason to still be clinging to a bygone technology like minidisc
@@dlarge6502 I habe CDR discs that are well over 20 years old and they still play fine and I can make a perfect copy. Can't say the same for a few 128g usb sticks that I had in my car. One I loaded in 2011 and my 2018 it was completely blank.
Those batteries are a trip! I have Sony camcorder remote that came with these and the camera came with the original coin cell and package, unfortunately they are all flat
I can get behind the DSPs on some AV receivers that imitate popular theater acoustics, although I don't use it because I almost exclusively use night mode. But those "church", "cave" and so on DSPs for music are like wtf? The only reason they exist is to just sell another useless feature.
I've never understood effects DSP. I assume it's there because they're already using a DSP chip for something else, and it has the power to do something trivial too, so why not I guess. But aside from going through them when the unit was new, I never once ever seriously used an environment effect on a receiver. Why would you want that? "Oh, now it sounds like I'm listening in a large box. Awesome!" Receivers now have tons of features to _remove_ excessive room acoustics. Why was it ever desirable to _simulate_ them?
ES and QS were both brilliant, i use a sony qs str-db940 on my projector with a 930 minidisc, its powerful as F**k But i say DEATH to CDRW discs, they were bloody awful.
@@12voltvidsdo you realy think all es products are like this? That cd changer is like a cheap plastic tt. A sony cdp707es will out play any of this changers, even your precious 200cd changer and i think you know that.
AHAHAHAAHH have you ever taken a Cheap phone (Business style) and taken the handset apart to find a big chunk of metal in it to make it heavier . Panasonic was great for that.... There were even Desk phones that had metal in the Base's so they did not slide on the Desktop.. I heard what You did there.... Are You by chance a member of the Radio Shack memories or low Voltage Nation Groups of FB ? Thanks...
TONS of products have a metal slug in them to make them feel more substantial, and not like you paid $300 for a cheap piece of junk that doesn't even weigh anything.
Oh come on Dave, I have no problem manipulating the sound to what I think sounds good to me. I hate the idea listening to music sounding flat straight off the cd, vinyl or my reel to reel. That sucks. Flat sound has no life to it...its lifeless. I have a 24 channel mixing board connected to my stereo system in the audio signal path. I even have a 32 channel EQ connected. I can make an A and B comparison to see what sounds better. In my opinion the audio that has been treated with my mixing console and EQ sounds so much better it's like night and day. The audio that's been manipulated has much more texture and more depth and stereo imaging than the flat sounding version. No way! Your ears and mine Dave didn't come from the same mold, we hear differently. Your variation of hearing is different from mine. What sounds good to you might not sound good to me.
@12voltvids ...I didnt say that. I'm with you about the cave thing. I'm talking about adding a tiny amount of reverb to the audio with lots of vocal TO ME it sounds good rather than just plain ol flat setting sound....that's boring. Most of the time I don't agree with the artist or even the recording engineer who did the final mix I don't agree so this is where I come in with my gear to correct the audio to please my hearing only. To what I think it should sound like not the artist or their engineer. All I ask from the engineers from the 24 track mix down to the 2 track Stereo tape to the master engineer who cuts the record to keep the audio as flat as possible so I can make my own adjustments at my end when I get the final product in my hands whether it's from vinyl or cds.
@gorak9000 according to who Dave...you! Are you some damn sound expert that I have to obliged to what you think sounds good! You didn't fully grasp of what I was saying. You seem to be one if these pig headed that only thinks one way....your way right! You think I shouldn't have to manipulate the sound because you feel I have bad audio gear!! Go to hell you ***** . Some of your taste in music I don't agree when playing jazz in the background or when playing when testing your repairs!! Several years ago I had a hearing test and I fail. I fail in the frequency range not the volume of sound in db range! So that means my hearing isn't has good as yours ...I'm now 62. Your ears and mine are not the same as indicated before in my last post. Oh..your taste in jazz sucks big time. I very rarely listen to jazz as I prefer classic rock from the 70s 98% of the time! Further more I use my mixing console and eq to compensate on what i lost in my hearing. My speakers are from a company that's been in the business alot longer than you've been on this earth dude! JBL! A very well known establishment in audio technology in both professional and consumer audio speakers. I don't care what other speaker companies are better according to your set of standards...no way mister...you're not taking me down that road!
@gorak9000 Sorry...I don't agree with you on that account. I had my hearing tested several years ago and fail. The equipment I have is to help compensate what I lost. Stupid youtube deleted my last recent post those nazi idiots. It was very strong in language towards you. But I'm sorry, my speaker crossover network was redesign by a professional JBL audio engineer and a dear friend of mine. I even ask him about adding on an eq to my system and he stayed it's a personal decision. No two systems are alike and has it should. Oh...I don't believe in room treatments. That's going to far just to listen to music, it's not a recording studio.
(17:09) the reverb on the cd was so powerful it transfered to your voice over ;)
I have a Sony CDP-X333ES in my hi-fi rack. This thing is built like a tank and works great.
Yes they do vary a lot in quality I have a X77ES myself 18kg nothing like the cheaper units.
@@mauanderuk I have the X555ES which is one of the high end CD players just 1 down from the x777es. As far as I remember the only difference between the 2 is the777 featured balanced outputs as well as unballanced and the 555 had fixed and variable unbalanced. Weighs in around 14KG. Solid copper chassis and real wood side panels which I removed as it needed to fit in my rack but I hung onto them for future use.
Up until early 90's ES meant something, they were better built, more refined electronics, better power supply, more metal less plastic... It was Sony higher line of HIFI equipment with great attention to both audio quality and materials. But then Sony started slapping ES on everything: the same unit sold in one country as a regular hi-fi component is sold in other countries as "ES". MultiCD changers were never meant for audio enthusiast i really do not see the point of an "ES" CD Changer. I am not surprised at all it is basically a regular CD changer with more buttons on the front and a double plater in the top cover.
And to be fair this has digital out and motor volume not usually found on this type of changer.
TBH, that just sounds like cargo-cult snobbery that has circulated the industry since such things were invented. I think we've all internalized that, and maybe it became a self-fulfilling prophecy where they never sold to audiophiles because audiophiles would never buy them, and thus why go to the nth degree to make them audiophile worthy.
But, technically, there's no reason a CD changer can't be 100% as good as a single-CD player. Think about it. What's the actual difference? One has a tray with a slot for one disc. The other has a tray with slots for 5 discs. The transport itself still has to clamp around the disc, and once it does, it's no longer in the tray -- so the part that differs is completely out of the picture.
The transport quality, the features implemented in a microcontroller, the DAC, the PSU and filtering ... that can all be absolutely identical between a flagship 1-disc player and the changer. (With, of course, the exception of a little extra code, another motor, and a few parts to physically manage the turning carousel.)
I'm not sure what it is about audiophiles that insist on minimalism, like some rite of denying yourself convenience is necessary to enjoy the experience more. Even ridiculous stuff like "turning off the digital output for... you know... signal purity" -- it's just ridiculous. CDs are digital. They have to be decoded. There's GOING TO BE a microprocessor running at all times, because there can't _not_ be. Is a lit display on the front going to be the thing that wrecks the analog output, or is it going to be the CPU and motor driver?
To me, the whole "ES" thing was always about making small choices in the engineering. I build stuff -- just for fun -- and sometimes I have to choose between the 40 cent part and the 197 cent part. They both do the same thing. The extravagant one might do it 1% better. If my goal is perfection, I go for that extra 1% and let it accumulate with all the other 1% improvements. OTOH, if I'm going to use it as background music in a restaurant, the cheaper part is already overkill. There may be no other change than which capacitor I chose in a critical part of the circuit. It always struck me that THAT was the real difference between ES and non-ES devices. You paid a little more to get slightly more expensive parts when the engineer had to pick between frugality and performance. The rest of the box might be exactly the same -- because if you weren't making any compromises on the basis of cost anyway, then why reinvent the wheel? Maybe you get a fancier front panel, a metal knob, and gold-plated RCA jacks just so it _feels_ a little more premium, but otherwise, why change things that are already not the bottleneck?
@@nickwallette6201 Audiophiles actually were the first to adopt CD players. After all when they first hit the shelved they were bloody expensive.
A changer or jukebox can and does sound as good as a single disk. As you pointed out once the disk is clamped in it is read by a laser and as long as the processing electronics are the same there is no reason that a multidisc changer won't sound identical to a single. The only real reason for a simgle is for that "I want to select my CD from my wall of discs and load it and play it start to end mentality of vinyl users. It doesn't matter that only bands 1 and 5 are good and 2,3 and 4 suck, a true audiosnoob will listen to the garbage tracks because they are "listening to an album". 5 disk units are nice because you can load 5 discs up and put in whatever 5 you want to hear.
The mega are really nice because you can load 50 to 400 depending on what unit you have. I have 3 200 disk changers. 2 in use 1 spare. What is nice is one can control the second. So I can load 400 discs throw it in random / mix mode and while one is playing the next disk is loaded in the second changer and as the first is ending the second starts and there is a 2 second fade on the first. While the second plays player 1 finds and cues up the next track and when the second one finishes it cross fades back. It is so cool to watch the 2 players in automatic playback mode. Looking at a computer screen ruining a music automation like Zara is pretty boring. (zara is a radio station automation program, which I run for stuff on the PC as it's great but nothing like watching 2 CD changers just do their job and the discs in the carousel spinning back and forth as it loads the next disc. I ripped all my CDs and burned compliation discs on CDR to load into my players, so I only hear the tracks I like. None of the filler garbage.
I do consider myself an audiophile BTW. I have multiple systems, both tube and SS and vintage equipment like a macintosh 1600, sansui 9090 as well as several other amplifiers and receivers that I swap out to listen to.Unlike the audiophools (there is a difference BTW, the latter overspends to get equipment) a real audiophile doesn't spend ludicrous money on the toys. He is patient, and waits for specific equipment to come up in estate sales ect, andgets his stuff for next to nothing or for free. Free is good and that is how I got a fair bit on mine including my technics SA700, sansui 9090, mcintosh 1600 and many other pieces and speakers.
Good videos , maybe it's been mentioned already but the date code is normally stamped on the negative end of the battery. Cheers
I thought the 2-22-3 could be a Japanese style date in the early Heisei which would get close to it, but no: It's an address to contact for warranty replacement. 2-22-3 Shibuya in Tokyo - the 〒150 is a Tokyo postal code.
I have an SL-S600 Betamax from 1993 that came with them exact batteries and they still work.
I have an Sony ICF-sw100 was sticky I sprayed it and let it soak in silicone oil and that fixed it. Not sure if this works on all types of this coating.
Sony can teach Duracell a thing or two!!
What is it with Duracell these days?
@@BongbongA99they are crap, leak when you buy them new and they don't last long
Yes, Duracell and Energizers need to come with little diapers .
@@BongbongA99 Just a guess but the greed generation inherited the company. It's happening to most products.
This about the ES makes me wonder about Pioneer Elite units compared to the regular ones (such as early 90s audio receivers and Laserdisc players).
Well, it depended on the model, whether it was Pioneer Elite, Sony ES, Onkyo Integra, etc.
For lower end models of the line, there wasn't much to differentiate a Sony ES unit from a regular Sony model.
Of course, you started to get more unique features in a Sony ES unit the higher you went up for the model ... with a concurrent increase in the retail price.
A Sony CDP-X111ES was the lowest end CD player of the line for the era it was made. Rudimentary resonance dampening of the top metal cover by affixing an additional metal sheet to the inside of it as well as a front aluminum faceplace.
Next up would be the CDP-X222ES, which was almost equivalent to the CDP-X333ES in terms of sound but still using a standard disc drive like its lower end sibling.
Then you had yourself the CDP-X333ES, a midrange model with certain unique features over the lower end offerings, such as a linear motor for the optical pickup instead of a gear train for faster and smoother random access operation, and dual power supplies, one for the digital side and the other for the analog side.
Then you had the CDP-X555ES, next up with all the features of the X333ES but now with a copper chassis with frame and beam construction and compartmentalized assembly, and some circuit boards are made of a glass epoxy substrate while other boards still used a phenolic substrate.
Then there is the CDP-X777ES, which had a seriously built disc drive (which is not so easy to find parts for, unfortunately), even beefier dual power supplies, all circuit boards use a glass epoxy substrate, very high end D/A converters and more elaborate analog output circuits featuring balanced (XLR) outputs in addition to standard unbalanced outputs along with both optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, and so on and so forth.
As for the CD player I have, I use a Sony CDP-X229ES (basically the same as the CDP-X222ES). It works well and sounds nice, though I've connected my CD player to my STR-DA4ES receiver via S/PDIF to handle the D/A duties. The X229ES uses a more commonly available optical pickup compared to the X333ES, which was one reason why I went with it.
I actually think the manufacturers were initially not averse to including features that facilitated recording. Because to them, it was just common sense that you buy a tape recorder to record things and most people are just naturally going to want to make mix tapes and so forth. As I understand it, things didn't get too heated until digital recording started to become available.
To this day, they still put that stuff that goes sticky on things. Every time I buy a new mouse I have to make sure it doesn't have that stuff on it.
I have 2 of the those Red Sony AA batteries and 2 x Sony Orange AA batteries. All have over 1.5 volts and work too.
My C555ES is very nice, and plays SACD, also has surround outputs and digital outputs coaxial and optical as well, so I think that is a better 5 changer than others. in the inside of it, it is also different with a ton of fat golden caps, the tray is sandwiched between the caps and the bottom of the unit, which makes it a bit more problematic to work on. But it works perfect. Got it free cuz it wasn't opening, which of course it was only a belt that was stretched out. Luckily it has a special bottom opening to change the belt. Nice unit in my opinion. Sadly missing the remote. (Also plays CDRW and all the other ones)
Where did you find the CORRECT belts that fit and work properly?
@@adsbadsb9488 i bought a $8 bag with a ton of different sizes to repair a few tape decks, maybe like 20, from an amazon store. I was lucky that one of the smaller ones fit on the CD player. I forget the name of the seller, I believe it was Chinese.
@@adsbadsb9488take it out, meassure lenght and Search for drivebelt in your size/lenght, its a try and error sometimes so you might want to buy 2 lenght and see whats the closest to the org.
Dave, one way you can realize whether the unit has the "ex-change" function (besides the presence of the button on the front) is looking at the holes of the CD trays: if they are open to the exterior, it has the ex-change function. If they are closed, it doesn't have it.
Why did your voice sound like reverb here? 17:10
No wonder the play and pause buttons did not work with that plate on the mechanism.
1991 I have the same unit in mont condition mine works - perfect
If you have a heavy metal plate pushing on components it might have been interfering with some operation
Hi, i was wondering if you could help? I have a sony ccd-tr918e that strangly plays back only video8 without issue. Hi8 recordings (including its own) are distorted and appear out of sync. I've reseated connectors and used the fingernail method. Any help is greatly appreciated
Hey Dave, Just wanted to ask your expert opinion, I have a Sony CDP-S41 CD Player from 1991. Plug the player into the Mains and press the power button, the player does not turn on, If I leave it powered up for about 3 to 5 min then the front display turns on and it works. The sound is slightly distorted but comes good after another 2 to 3 min. I have replaced all the caps except the for 3 on the laser assembly. It will work fine all day until it is left off for more than about 1 hour. Thanks.
17:00 to 18:00 very interesting audio. Somehow your voice takes on the eq settings of the player.
The differences between the CD formats, and DVD formats, were the location of track 0, index, and text. Refer to Red Book, White Book, and Yellow/Orange Book. According to Sony.
CD-R, CD+R, CD-RW, CD+RW, KODAC 01, KODAC 02, KODAC IMAGE, KODAC PHOTO LAB, and many others.
Listening to CDs in a large stadium is a feature in any CD player that I’ve never had heard of. Listening in a lively matter was something that Sony ever featured on their hi-fi players. Imagine you’re in a club dancing out to your favorite songs, it can be emphasized using the EQ and reverb controls on the control panel on the cd player itself.
Can't remember the last time I went to a club. I'm that old.
Missed the club scene.
I was off the market by the time I was old enough to get into clubs.
Cd-re was 97 according to wiki. I remeber cd-r being early 90s
opinion on CDP-501ES? I bought one for 30 bucks off marketplace, it has trouble reading cd's (takes a while to start playing and noisy when doing so).
Clean the laser lens
That and the CDP-302ES had one of the best linear drive sleds Sony made. Very fast response from track to track. The cool window that was tinted and backlit was cool too, you could see the CD spinning with the door closed. I turned up the power to the laser a bit to get it reading, and it still plays every CD I can throw at it, even CDR's play and don't skip. That was 20 years ago, my son owns it now.
@@zulumax1 501 doesn't like CD-R's, I think it's the disc sensor..
@@lachlanlau If the laser is weak and having trouble with regular store bought CDs, it certainly won't play CDR disk, the signal is even weaker.
I think Dave may have a video of how to turn up the gain on the laser, and I know it is not recommended because it will shorten the life of the laser, but what have you got to loose? Service manual is available on Hifiengine.
@@audioman3017 ok
I wouldn't have thought they had multi disc CD players that could play CD-R and CD-RW's back in 1982. Wasn't that the years CD's and players first appeared on the market? I didn't get a player until 1989, and it was a single disc player. I don't know if Walmart had multi-disc players for sale or not. Interesting video, and that's amazing that the batteries held a charge for that long. They usually dry out.
It was made in 92
FWIW, the Sony D-5 (or D-50, depending on where you are when you ask) was Sony's first portable ... _technically_ battery operated... or operable... player. It plays CD-R just fine.
The biggest problem with CD-R is how well it reflects IR -- particularly, the difference between the reflective and diffractive bits. It doesn't have the optical "dynamic range" of a pressed CD. In the early days, laser optics were usually calibrated for the right amount of intensity (on the laser) and gain (on the pickup). Later, that stuff was handled more and more by servo circuits.
So, on an earlier player, if it were calibrated for pressed discs (which it would be, because CD-R wasn't a thing yet), then it would work only if there was enough margin in the RF amp's gain and bandwidth, and the detector's ability to distinguish noise from signal. Some players had it, some didn't. It was a crapshoot.
Later players could just improvise .. e.g., by increasing the pickup gain when confronted with a weaker signal. There are still limits, because at some point you're just amplifying noise and trying to interpret it as a valid signal. But it's at least able to shift a little.
That was the whole "CD-R compatible" thing. It was just the vendor saying, "yes this transport is able to cope with the different optical requirements of CD-R discs." It didn't really take much, if anything, to add "support" for it. Just a little extra attention to detail, maybe a tweak or two in the front-end analog circuits or the code handling it, and some practical testing. Then you can hand it over to marketing to do their thing.
AFAIK, CD-RW is the same, just with even less ideal reflectivity, but I'm not actually positive about that. There may be some on-disc differences to accommodate the ability to append and change data, whereas on a pressed disc or CD-R, once you've recorded the TOC, that's it. All you can do is write a new session (which most players don't recognize either.) That's all inside baseball that, unfortunately, I've never been privy to, but would love to know more. I HAVE been able to coax the CD player in a prior car to play a CD-RW disc, when it wasn't designed to do it. It took a few tries, and wasn't very resilient, but it did manage once. That tells me, whatever's on the disc could be interpreted by a player that wasn't made to read them.
Did I hear a David Grey song on that first CD?
yep
Dave lucky those tactile buttons work on the DSP, and the rest of the 72 buttons on those Sony CDP-C units. Most get dirty and act up....as you know.
Also have a National Nero black metal AAA battery working great. Yeah not like the crap today.
I had this one and a a C67 that was nicer. Replaced it with a CE595. The S7700 is my favorite I have about 10 Sony CD units. Lol I never used the effects.
CD-RW was introduced in 1997 so most CD players made before this year would not play them. My Technics SL-PS670A was bought in 1997 and will not play them.
I remember getting a Sony CD walkman that could play CDRWs around 2001 and that was the reason I bought it.
You need to do the same with a technics 1200tt, pleace. Cd changers will be cd changers
My Sony CDP-S41 plays CD-R great.
If they really wanted to make an upgraded unit, instead of using different paint, and fixing "resonances" by gluing plates into the lid to make it feel more substantial, they should've added a feature that actually does something - a cd demagnetizer! 😛
LMFAO!!!!
To get rid of resonance, I don’t get it, add another sheet. Now you have 2 vibrating tins. Your glue on the seams help, would make more sense if the whole sheet was floated with glue. I know you didn’t design it, I’m just amazed some of these engineers got paid. I’ve always assumed ES stood for elaborate scam.
Open up a technics 1200tt and you will be in shock. If he uses the right kind of dubbelsided tape with foam inside the extra cover is a vibration damper. Sry 4 bad english😂
It's damping. Panels of aluminum or thin steel vibrate, particularly at their resonant frequency. The heavier it is, the lower the resonant frequency. If you can get it low enough (by making it stiffer and/or heavier), then it becomes irrelevant.
Now, does the resonance of a sheet of metal covering the top of a player matter to anything or anyone? Probably not a whole heck of a lot. The player is already tracking a disc that is spinning at a few hundred RPM, and wobbling in the X, Y, and Z axis, one mm above the optics. Is the sheet metal, vibrating at 150Hz, going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back? Nah.
But, if you paid double for a box that was engineered to have a 3dB quieter noise floor, you would probably be turned off by a floppy top panel. So, fine, glue another piece of metal to it. Now it brings the goods and feels more expensive too. Psychology matters.
What is the use of those equalizer presets? Does anyone ever uses them for anything?
Ok, I watched till the end.
it's an extra bullet point (or 3) in the marketing material
My Sony DVP-FX825 portable DVD player and CD player plays MP3 disks it can play most discs its a 2008 model
The ES means Extra Special. 😊
Thats what I remember ES means on the Dodge brand.
Its elevatet standard🙄, its a quick serach on google biden🤣
@@Error2username I can modify my standard sony cd player to elevated standard by adding heavy sheet metal on the inside and give us some gold trim on the outside and if I really want to go to the for the gold. Add some stained glossy wood on each side of the unit.
@@robertoney5665good for you, but it will never sound like a cdc707es, dont aim for the cheapest of the "best" its usualy what it is, cheapest, and for a reason, yet good enough for most of the ppl👌
@@Error2username I agree with you 100% I like quality, not cheap.
17:50 (Psst... CD audio has 75 frames per second -- every second has frame 0-74.)
From what I have read it followed the same spec as DAT, which was 100 frames spread over 3 seconds, as DAT was used as a mastering format for CD, so the tapes would be transferred directly to the EFM modularor where 8bits were turned into a 14 bit PWM for the cutting laser. Yes I know the PCM is 16 bits, but it was split into 2 8 bit words for conversion to 14 bit PWM. This is because the laser could not write 10101010 The minium it would write is 3 ones and 3 0. So the 8 bit code was turned into something that had at a minimum 000 or 111 in sequences. so for example you could write 11100011110000 and any combination that. 11110001111000, 11111000000111 ect. The result was a PWM type waveform that when reversed went back to the original PCM signal. It however did lead to newer converters that could work at the single bit level (MASH - ,ulti stage noise shaping) where the PWM encoded waveform was converted directly back without going back to PCM and then D-A
@@12voltvids It's definitely 75 frames. If you've ever used authoring software, either burning programs with really good audio support, or something Adobe Audition, SoundForge, etc... there's a timescale specifically for audio CD that does M:S:F. I've been using software like that since I was a kid ... Cool Edit on Windows 3.1 > CE Pro on Windows 95 > Audition on XP and Win 7, and now Studio One. Also been knee-deep in CUE files to make or archive CD audio discs since the late 90s -- remember Golden Hawk Technology's CDRWin? I cannot even count how many mix CDs or band demos I crafted by hand, wrote CUE sheets for in Notepad, and then burned at 1x to keep the buffer from underflowing on old 9x systems with antique recorders. Trivia like that is etched into my brain forever now. haha
While we're nerding out, EFM is more about clock recovery. You can't have long strings of consecutive ones or zeroes, because there's no clock signal in a bitstream read from disc, nor SPDIF (e.g.), or many other serial protocols that only have a single data line. So, you derive the clock from synchronizing on the transitions between bit states. If you have too many of the same state, ergo no transitions, then your source and derived clocks start to slip, and you don't know when exactly you should be sampling the input anymore. Then you end up missing bits, or reading the same bit twice, or reading on the edge of bits, etc. Since there's no reason you couldn't have a long string of digital silence (PCM sample bytes of 00000000), particularly on lead-ins and lead-outs, then you need to be able to encode words like that indefinitely without losing clock sync. EFM ensures this by adding bits to every word, such that no valid code word contains too many consecutive ones or zeroes. Any 14-bit combination with more than a couple in a row is dropped from the code table. With the extra 6 bits, the remaining codes are all "random" enough to keep the clock recovery fed.
There are dynamic bit-stuffing alternatives that just lengthen codes that need more transitions, without affecting the length of codes with sufficient transitions, but then you end up with variable-length words, and therefore your storage capacity depends on the data instead of always being a predictable fixed length. I guess, with CD, they figured there was more than ample capacity to "waste" some on superfluous extensions, and in return, they got a more straightforward decoding algorithm (easier for early digital hardware to accomplish) and a guaranteed known capacity.
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Nice, now you have an ES Player in your living room Rack! ;-)
This isn't mine. I do have a cdpx555es however which IS a real ES product. Bought it brand new for 300. Dealer cost while "suckers" were paying 1400 for it.
I also remember back in the '90's, when Dick Smith Electronics was a thing, they were selling CD Karaoke machines that could even change the speed of the tracks. I don't think they were Sony, though... not sure off hand what they were.
I loved Dick Smith Electronics. I wish they still existed.
@@Lachlant1984 me too. The "talk to the techsperts" ruined them in 2009...
That player came out in 92, so 30 years not 40 but still very impressive.
Somebody wasn't listening when I read the date of manufacture off the back. Its 32 years old.
Doesn't matter the age of a CD player, just how many hours are on them and which type of pickup it has. Some pickups just keep on truckin. I have a stack of 2000's cd players that all need new lasers (Arcam, Audiolab, Cambridge Audio etc.). The only truly reliable player I have is a 90's Rotel 945AX.
The entry level ES models were based on the better ones from the standard range
which Sony called them QS, but the very expensive top end ES were far superior.
Still overpriced but they did offer a superb performance.
Pioneer did the same with their Elite range, i still have some of their Laserdisc and
Blu-Ray players that are continuing to work well after all these years.
In the USA the QS line was also called ES. Only in the USA the mid level line was called ES. In Japan and Europe most ES models were really high quality.
@@KR1275 Now it makes sense, i once bought a Pioneer Elite blu-ray player that was only sold
in the USA, but it was exactly the same as the standard range one sold in the UK.
Here in the UK, Sony intoduced the QS line to give the standard range a higher tier with metal rather
than plastic front panels.
The entry level ES models wre only slightly better, you had to go higher up to the top tier models
to gain any performace improvements.
I think you mean "were" not "where". Lol. I also wouldn't put it past Sony to add the plate to make it heavier. The mentality of the general consumer is "oh, it's heavier, must be better build quality!".
The customer didn't know how to open the top cover?
Its a good thing ppl take it in for service, ppl doing this without having insight in the product, well we all prob buyed something destroyed by the prevous owner
Did most ES units have improved connectivity, or was that not often the case? Does this unit have digital connectivity, such as toslink or coaxial? On the whole I agree though, Expensive Shit.
I can't speak for cd players, I prefer marantz for that function, but with the sony minidisc decks the es units did cost more sound and record better however they have not stood the test of time.
I service and repair minidisc units and would today recommend the decks that use gears for the eject mechanism ignore 330 340 500 650 es or non es just buy a fully serviced unit with above gears instead of belts a low use clean one of those with the highest attrac you can get today is best the robust solid more basic units are still great.
or how about just skip outdated junk all together, and use something that uses solid state storage - it's 2024 now, not 1996, there's really no reason to still be clinging to a bygone technology like minidisc
@@gorak9000 solid state storage wipes itself with one dirty look 😂
@@dlarge6502 I habe CDR discs that are well over 20 years old and they still play fine and I can make a perfect copy. Can't say the same for a few 128g usb sticks that I had in my car. One I loaded in 2011 and my 2018 it was completely blank.
Time to slap on a new belt !
Belt is fine
It should be YYYY/MM/DD But there's not 22 month? so I don't know how you read - it might be a part number...
Es elevated sh*t
you need to finalize the cdrw in your software option
I didn't just fall off the back of a turnip truck. It was fossilized 20 years ago when recorded as an audio cd.
Those batteries are a trip! I have Sony camcorder remote that came with these and the camera came with the original coin cell and package, unfortunately they are all flat
16:40 😂😆 "They're gonna putcha back in caves...." Eh hmmmm. 😅
28:15 awful track for CD testing sounds like CD is malfunctioning.
I can get behind the DSPs on some AV receivers that imitate popular theater acoustics, although I don't use it because I almost exclusively use night mode. But those "church", "cave" and so on DSPs for music are like wtf? The only reason they exist is to just sell another useless feature.
I've never understood effects DSP. I assume it's there because they're already using a DSP chip for something else, and it has the power to do something trivial too, so why not I guess.
But aside from going through them when the unit was new, I never once ever seriously used an environment effect on a receiver. Why would you want that? "Oh, now it sounds like I'm listening in a large box. Awesome!" Receivers now have tons of features to _remove_ excessive room acoustics. Why was it ever desirable to _simulate_ them?
ES and QS were both brilliant, i use a sony qs str-db940 on my projector with a 930 minidisc, its powerful as F**k
But i say DEATH to CDRW discs, they were bloody awful.
Dont judge sony es products on this cd changer, ever seen a audiophile with a cd changer???
Yes I have. Many. One even has a mega changer.
An audio-phool and their money are soon parted
@@12voltvidsdo you realy think all es products are like this? That cd changer is like a cheap plastic tt. A sony cdp707es will out play any of this changers, even your precious 200cd changer and i think you know that.
@@gorak9000Sad to see ppl still act like monkeys when it comes to another mans wallet. 😂🎉
@@gorak9000😂 i love it. Dont you mind what other ppl use their money on, you do you, and i will do the same, peace brother😂
AHAHAHAAHH have you ever taken a Cheap phone (Business style) and taken the handset apart to find a big chunk of metal in it to make it heavier . Panasonic was great for that....
There were even Desk phones that had metal in the Base's so they did not slide on the Desktop..
I heard what You did there....
Are You by chance a member of the Radio Shack memories or low Voltage Nation Groups of FB ?
Thanks...
Try opening the technics 1200tt😲
TONS of products have a metal slug in them to make them feel more substantial, and not like you paid $300 for a cheap piece of junk that doesn't even weigh anything.
ES series is great, CD changers are always garbage though.
Try a XA7ES and get back to me
I like my 3 200 disk changers.
para hacerlas mas pesadas🤣
I want to say that unit is from 1993.
92 according to the date stamp
Costco (Duracell) batteries leak like shit if you leave them in something for more than six months. Garbage.
Doesnt that crap going to get on yiur CD's, whyndidnt sony think of that?
Variable output probably has never been used.
Yes it will
Oh come on Dave, I have no problem
manipulating the sound to what I think sounds good to me. I hate the idea listening to music sounding flat straight off the cd, vinyl or my reel to reel. That sucks. Flat sound has no life to it...its lifeless. I have a 24 channel mixing board connected to my stereo system in the audio signal path. I even have a 32 channel EQ connected. I can make an A and B comparison to see what sounds better. In my opinion the audio that has been treated with my mixing console and EQ sounds so much better it's like night and day. The audio that's been manipulated has much more texture and more depth and stereo imaging than the flat sounding version. No way! Your ears and mine Dave didn't come from the same mold, we hear differently.
Your variation of hearing is different from mine. What sounds good to you might not sound good to me.
But making it sound like its in a cave. Come on now.
@12voltvids ...I didnt say that. I'm with you about the cave thing. I'm talking about adding a tiny amount of reverb to the audio with lots of vocal TO ME it sounds good rather than just plain ol flat setting sound....that's boring. Most of the time I don't agree with the artist or even the recording engineer who did the final mix I don't agree so this is where I come in with my gear to correct the audio to please my hearing only. To what I think it should sound like not the artist or their engineer. All I ask from the engineers from the 24 track mix down to the 2 track Stereo tape to the master engineer who cuts the record to keep the audio as flat as possible so I can make my own adjustments at my end when I get the final product in my hands whether it's from vinyl or cds.
If you need to EQ things to make it sound good, that means you have garbage speakers, terrible room acoustics, or both
@gorak9000 according to who Dave...you! Are you some damn sound expert that I have to obliged to what you think sounds good! You didn't fully grasp of what I was saying. You seem to be one if these pig headed that only thinks one way....your way right! You think I shouldn't have to manipulate the sound because you feel I have bad audio gear!! Go to hell you ***** . Some of your taste in music I don't agree when playing jazz in the background or when playing when testing your repairs!!
Several years ago I had a hearing test and I fail. I fail in the frequency range not the volume of sound in db range! So that means my hearing isn't has good as yours ...I'm now 62.
Your ears and mine are not the same as indicated before in my last post.
Oh..your taste in jazz sucks big time. I very rarely listen to jazz as I prefer classic rock from the 70s 98% of the time!
Further more I use my mixing console and eq to compensate on what i lost in my hearing. My speakers are from a company that's been in the business alot longer than you've been on this earth dude! JBL! A very well known establishment in audio technology in both professional and consumer audio speakers. I don't care what other speaker companies are better according to your set of standards...no way mister...you're not taking me down that road!
@gorak9000 Sorry...I don't agree with you on that account. I had my hearing tested several years ago and fail. The equipment I have is to help compensate what I lost. Stupid youtube deleted my last recent post those nazi idiots.
It was very strong in language towards you. But I'm sorry, my speaker crossover network was redesign by a professional JBL audio engineer and a dear friend of mine. I even ask him about adding on an eq to my system and he stayed it's a personal decision. No two systems are alike and has it should.
Oh...I don't believe in room treatments. That's going to far just to listen to music, it's not a recording studio.