Great review Shane 👍 another climb owner here so for me at the moment it boils down to what I want most to steer or the feel of the incline hopefully they will come up with a solution to integrate the 2
Great,just received the non smart Sterzo version and this has been released. It does work superbly. To be honest I wish Zwift would spend more R&D on issues such as the several second lag,draft and dashboard customisation instead of the more “gamey” functions.
what i'd like to see is for certain races to require constant steering instead of the "set and forget" lane position choosing it is now. for example if you don't steer for a corner you just end up riding along the edge of the lane.
A big win for Elite being first to market with smart steering. A day or so ago, I had no need for steering. Now I want one. I feel sorry for those that have forked out for a smart bike that doesn’t support steering via steering your handlebars.
Well... there are others... but it was Elite who came to a commercial agreement with Zwift to implement steering with their unit. Smart Bikes will likely get steering via the buttons they have.
Shane Miller - GPLama buttons won’t be as good an immersive experience for me, in that respect I suspect a kickr core with the relatively cheap smart steerer would score higher than buttons on the smart trainer. I wonder if wahoo are developing a kickr climb with steering, that would be interesting lol. I think I’d probably fall if my bike using something like that.
So in Short if your a Serious racer it will be a MUST HAVE .. But if your just doing workouts and random riding to stay fit you dont realy need it .. is what I got from that =) .. Good job again Sir ..
I think the thing that is an unexpected bonus to me is that it makes other riders solid, that will be the thing that changes racing. If they’d added the steering but you could still ride through people it wouldn’t have had nearly so much potential. That said it could prove interesting trying to navigate your way through a pack of riders!
Tbf this is exactly what I’d hoped for - not really steering - more like a strafe or veer function. So you can switch to the other side of the road when attacking to break the draft! Nice!
Since this is mostly picking a lane rather than having to constantly baby-sit to keep on the road, simple buttons on the hoods/bars will do the trick. For the way it's set up for on the road riding, there's no real need for analog. On the dirt or such where keeping the line is part of the challenge the smart bikes will need to come up with some analog system to measure steering input rather than just a signal to switch lanes in the road.
Robby Beauchamp agreed. I was just thinking about that. However, would that not present an advantage to that type of hardware in racing? Say the rider who is using a Stereto having a harder time not jumping off of their line vs the smart bike rider who has more precision to their lane choice and timing.
Another perfectly timed great video by Lamamamamama! 1. I thought riders in workouts couldn't draft anyone? 2. My biggest disappointment is WHY I can't steer to select my route? Seems kinda silly. Let's hope that's another upgrade coming soon. Seems like you could do something in the software to recognize you want to go left or right at a junction in the road. Might be interesting when there are multiple junctions?
This would be good for rolling turns, or the WTRL TTT. It's obviously a Gen Product, and future innovations would be cool to see. Maybe buttons that are retrofitted to your shifters to steer left and right.
Zwift should have a first person option for those riders with steerer attachments. I wonder how it will look with a VR headset. Now all we need is tilt+steer+elevation+haptic feedback combo
It would be interesting to see if it also automatically slows you down on the inside line in tight corners vs. the "tourist route" (LOL) vs. the textbook line (outside to apex to outside). Should very interesting for crit races.
mea, would have preferred a play station controller integration so kicker climb is not obsoleted. As you point out, its just lane control. They should have implemented an option for speed limitation on turns, to make crit city more like a crit and less like a regular race.
Great review, thanks! I was wondering what this was going to be like. It's good but there's lots of scope for it to grow and improve. I'll wait and see how it evolves.
WOW, and as a gamer said to me about Zwift having told him that its rated seventh in the gaming world. Don't worry about the faults now, its only going to get better
Just curious, what did the other riders see? You’re assuming they know you run into them. Maybe it doesn’t appear that way. I think that would be a good topic for another video! Also, rubbing is just racing!
I feel like if they made it so that you did have to steer around corners, and it was a "free roam' kind of thing, that would be awesome. It would just add another layer of engagement.
@@gplama I could imagine so. I've never rode virtually with steering like that, so I personally don't know what it would be like. It would be cool if they had different options though, like GTBikeV.
Hey Shane! I’ve been using Sterzo for a little bit and generally like it. However, currently annoyed by going off route at a turn and thus leaving pacer groups and routes I didn’t intend to! I thought there was a setting to turn off steering for turns on routes??
Looks nice to me, but I hope the delay between steering and actually turning in in the game will be smaller. Now there is still about a second of delay.
My first thought when you started doing that around other riders is. What the heck would they have been thinking with you going all over the road. Nice of you to let them know what was going on. Should users put a steering acronym in their name so everyone else knows that they have it? Or is there a indication that shows up on the other riders screen. As a runner i just worry about all the runners being ran in to by cyclists. :)
A little steering wheel icon in the rider list would be useful. There's little icons when people are in a workout, using the companion app, and using a real power source.
It would be interesting to see if those movements are also recorded on gps? If you took racing lines would the loop be a little shorter. I'm assuming not. Since zwift assigns gps coordinates that the coordinates would not change. But it would be interesting to test or ask zwift.
@@gplama very cool. I would not assume Zwift would assign exact GPS coordinates based on where you are in the lane. You do see different tracks based on the direction you are going. But I like that level of detail. Thanks for the reply.
Good thing I bought the non-smart version for other reasons than using on Zwift (which I don't use) but feel.sorry for those who did and won't be able to use it
Given up with my unit as it good for the first few days but in the last 3 weeks nothing I can do will keep it connected as it seems to make all the Bluetooth signals to drop out to the ATV 4 k unit mid rides . May be wait for a later Mk of unit.
Does the other person see you steering? My understand is that zwift draws positions differently on each individual rider, so interested in the impacts there.
I have been wondering why the NEO TRACK has never been mentioned with regards to steering blocks. Already has ANT+ connectivity. Anyway possible to connect with Zwift through ANT+/BLE bridge?
Very nice for early intro to steering. Impression I have is that without “sticky”portion, it would be a somewhat monumental mental effort to hold your line in a group. Cleaner group effect?
so one wonders... ride the same route not using the Sterzo and then ride while using it and trying to take the shortest line and see if indeed there is a difference in the distance :) One wonders if you can shave 300/400m off a course?
Tests already done. I'll get to work on the video today. It's faster to steer the shortest route. (and as Zwift doesn't slow you down on corners it's only the shortest route, not the optimal 'racing line' route)
Hi Shane, love the vids... I've got a snap, but thinking of going to a direct drive, in your unbiased opinion 😆 What's the best/most reliable oh and quietish?? Thanks!
Idea is certainly good but the implementation surely needs more work. Unless Tacx and others will implement steering as a default feature I cannot see much use of this, other than racing to choose team mate to draft on. It would be so much simpler to just use arrow keys left and right to choose which person to draft. There's really no need for steering device to choose line. Knowing Zwift this should be part of InfiniteWorks.
What's the bike stability on the Sterzo like Shane? I noticed you had to jump the front wheel back to centre and one point. Is it stable for high watt sprinting?
Not sure this was a good test case for whether the automatic lane positioning algorithm follows manual steering when the person in the back (i.e. Tocknell) is doing a workout. Does it even make sense for drafting to take place during workouts?
didn't they previous introduce this to be used with your mobile phone movement detection technology for the off-road route without having to buy another device? Can't they bring that across to the road still using our mobile phone on the handlebars?
I'm intrigued to see what the swerving looks like on the other riders screen. Do you appear to swerve or just keep riding as if in autopilot (usual Zwift movement/motion)?
They see the full send swerve. I'll do a livestream later tonight (Melbourne time) and show people this with fan view and have others join for the ride.
@@gplama yeah maybe rushing out and getting one isn't the smartest thing. Wait for tacx and wahoo to bring out something to compete against in in the market. Fingers crossed it brings price down slightly.
Great video, thanks Shane! Quick question please, I have the dumb version of the Sterzo but am still trying to figure out how to stop the frame flexing whenever I steer. Any ideas? Thank you
Well I thought the 1st 20 minutes it looked okay but is it worth it and then wow when you were playing with the DIRT rider that was crazy but trouble is that for racing surely everyone must have one for it to be fair 🤔 😉
The best part of these reviews is GPLama's childlike enthusiasm and enjoyment.
the laughs when he was ramming people was gold
"It's for science!"
Nice riding with you Shane! Well done. I was doing the SST long workout so it seemed like a great comparison to use with your video.
I just watched this. You must have wondered WTF was going on with the Lama trying to run you off the road!
You passed the vibe check, good on yer mate.
GTA 5 has turned Miller into a Maniac!
hahahhahahh!!!
The newspapers were right about it after all!
love the switch to birds eye view before cutting off the rider lol
The collision sound effects were 10/10
The "I've got another victim" line made me chuckle 😆
Steering enabled races (ie everyone on steering) would be amazing to see as tactics really come into play
In real life races, especially crits I lose because I’m nervous on taking corners at full gas.
Great review Shane 👍 another climb owner here so for me at the moment it boils down to what I want most to steer or the feel of the incline hopefully they will come up with a solution to integrate the 2
A violent lama......That was strangely satisfying to watch 🤣
This video will do more for their sales than they could do. You can’t beat rider experience!
More impressed that Shane can talk while pushing 300+ watts...
Would be cool if it reduced gradient on climbs if you zig zag up the road?
Interesting thought actually in regards to the steep switchbacks on the Alpe.
Thanks, this was great. Now to try to find one for purchase is another video.
Great,just received the non smart Sterzo version and this has been released. It does work superbly.
To be honest I wish Zwift would spend more R&D on issues such as the several second lag,draft and dashboard customisation instead of the more “gamey” functions.
Looks like a game changer, Steering with crosswinds, would be fun for bunch racing 🎢
Shane is happier than my 3 year old on Christmas morning ;)
And there is nothing wrong with this!
No mention yet of the "goes well past 11" comment at 4:43 ? "This is Spinal Tap" references are always appreciated.
what i'd like to see is for certain races to require constant steering instead of the "set and forget" lane position choosing it is now. for example if you don't steer for a corner you just end up riding along the edge of the lane.
A big win for Elite being first to market with smart steering. A day or so ago, I had no need for steering. Now I want one. I feel sorry for those that have forked out for a smart bike that doesn’t support steering via steering your handlebars.
Well... there are others... but it was Elite who came to a commercial agreement with Zwift to implement steering with their unit. Smart Bikes will likely get steering via the buttons they have.
Shane Miller - GPLama buttons won’t be as good an immersive experience for me, in that respect I suspect a kickr core with the relatively cheap smart steerer would score higher than buttons on the smart trainer. I wonder if wahoo are developing a kickr climb with steering, that would be interesting lol. I think I’d probably fall if my bike using something like that.
id imagine it reduces some of the stress on the bike for sure but im curious how it will feel when sprinting
I have the same thinking. Would like to know if it enhances the sprinting feel or maybe makes the front end feel too “loose”.
So in Short if your a Serious racer it will be a MUST HAVE .. But if your just doing workouts and random riding to stay fit you dont realy need it .. is what I got from that =) .. Good job again Sir ..
12:17 made my day
Exciting stuff . . . almost real world when in a group. Hope Elite have plenty of stock of smart steerers
That looks pretty cool! Thanks for showing.
I think the thing that is an unexpected bonus to me is that it makes other riders solid, that will be the thing that changes racing. If they’d added the steering but you could still ride through people it wouldn’t have had nearly so much potential. That said it could prove interesting trying to navigate your way through a pack of riders!
Tbf this is exactly what I’d hoped for - not really steering - more like a strafe or veer function. So you can switch to the other side of the road when attacking to break the draft! Nice!
Needs the added sound effects when you rub your front wheel on the back wheel of the rider ahead, brbrbrbrrbrbrbrbrb. Haha. Great video Shane.
I’m interested in how smart bikes will adopt/adapt this tech.
Since this is mostly picking a lane rather than having to constantly baby-sit to keep on the road, simple buttons on the hoods/bars will do the trick. For the way it's set up for on the road riding, there's no real need for analog. On the dirt or such where keeping the line is part of the challenge the smart bikes will need to come up with some analog system to measure steering input rather than just a signal to switch lanes in the road.
Robby Beauchamp agreed. I was just thinking about that. However, would that not present an advantage to that type of hardware in racing? Say the rider who is using a Stereto having a harder time not jumping off of their line vs the smart bike rider who has more precision to their lane choice and timing.
19:55 you were impressed . there. marked lol
I wonder if Wahoo will revise version 2 of the Kicker Climb to also include steering?
Another perfectly timed great video by Lamamamamama!
1. I thought riders in workouts couldn't draft anyone?
2. My biggest disappointment is WHY I can't steer to select my route? Seems kinda silly. Let's hope that's another upgrade coming soon. Seems like you could do something in the software to recognize you want to go left or right at a junction in the road. Might be interesting when there are multiple junctions?
I know right? Trying to lean over to a keyboard to turn while riding, having to shut down zwift to start a new route.
Thanks came here looking for this. Pretty ridiculous if you can’t steer between routes with this. Routing is extremely awkward in Zwift as is.
Great video answered all my questions @gplama. Will be interesting to see it evolve in the race world on zwift.
This would be good for rolling turns, or the WTRL TTT.
It's obviously a Gen Product, and future innovations would be cool to see. Maybe buttons that are retrofitted to your shifters to steer left and right.
When will GP Lama do a steering ride with DC Rainmaker?
Zwift spend tens of thousands on developing turning, Shane turns the game into dodgem cars. 😂
Shane trolling his fans gotta love it!
Zwift should have a first person option for those riders with steerer attachments. I wonder how it will look with a VR headset. Now all we need is tilt+steer+elevation+haptic feedback combo
It would be interesting to see if it also automatically slows you down on the inside line in tight corners vs. the "tourist route" (LOL) vs. the textbook line (outside to apex to outside). Should very interesting for crit races.
You were having too much fun with the road steering. ;-)
Answered all my initial queries, cheers 👍
I think you've just inspired a generation of Zwift pranksters.
mea, would have preferred a play station controller integration so kicker climb is not obsoleted. As you point out, its just lane control. They should have implemented an option for speed limitation on turns, to make crit city more like a crit and less like a regular race.
Can‘t wait to get mine. 🤪
Wonder if wahoo will bring something out to work with the climb?
Great review, thanks! I was wondering what this was going to be like. It's good but there's lots of scope for it to grow and improve. I'll wait and see how it evolves.
WOW, and as a gamer said to me about Zwift having told him that its rated seventh in the gaming world. Don't worry about the faults now, its only going to get better
Great video - looks fun for racing
Wonder if we'll get something similar from Wahoo? If so, will they make it compatible with the climb?
Seems Zwift has given exclusive rights for 10 months to Elite. Nothing before Q2 next year probably.
Nice video, ordered mine already just for the lane changing fun.👍
Just curious, what did the other riders see? You’re assuming they know you run into them. Maybe it doesn’t appear that way. I think that would be a good topic for another video! Also, rubbing is just racing!
If you have the kickr climb it’s no good I guess?
Will be in mk2
I once hacked together ETS2 with my trainer and smartphone steering, was fun.
I'd be a fan if it worked with the Kickr Climb
Just need a climber and steering option all in one now. Assuming the Kickr Climb does not fit in the groove?
next step, adding road feel feedback through the steering
It must suck to buy the kickr climb just to find out that they added steering to zwift. Maybe Wahoo could add a plate under the kickr
I feel like if they made it so that you did have to steer around corners, and it was a "free roam' kind of thing, that would be awesome. It would just add another layer of engagement.
It becomes very 'busy' to deal with. See GTBikeV for exactly this. I'm sure there's a middle ground somewhere.
@@gplama I could imagine so. I've never rode virtually with steering like that, so I personally don't know what it would be like. It would be cool if they had different options though, like GTBikeV.
Bumper-bikes. Good fun
Hey Shane! I’ve been using Sterzo for a little bit and generally like it. However, currently annoyed by going off route at a turn and thus leaving pacer groups and routes I didn’t intend to! I thought there was a setting to turn off steering for turns on routes??
Llama joy!
Looks nice to me, but I hope the delay between steering and actually turning in in the game will be smaller. Now there is still about a second of delay.
Content isss cool. Keep up with good wooork :D .
My first thought when you started doing that around other riders is. What the heck would they have been thinking with you going all over the road. Nice of you to let them know what was going on. Should users put a steering acronym in their name so everyone else knows that they have it? Or is there a indication that shows up on the other riders screen. As a runner i just worry about all the runners being ran in to by cyclists. :)
A little steering wheel icon in the rider list would be useful. There's little icons when people are in a workout, using the companion app, and using a real power source.
Awesome💪😄
It would be interesting to see if those movements are also recorded on gps? If you took racing lines would the loop be a little shorter. I'm assuming not. Since zwift assigns gps coordinates that the coordinates would not change. But it would be interesting to test or ask zwift.
They are. Steering results in shorter lines and shorter total kms.
@@gplama very cool. I would not assume Zwift would assign exact GPS coordinates based on where you are in the lane. You do see different tracks based on the direction you are going. But I like that level of detail. Thanks for the reply.
Will this stop zwift making really sinuous courses? i get travel sick on titans grove haha.
Good thing I bought the non-smart version for other reasons than using on Zwift (which I don't use) but feel.sorry for those who did and won't be able to use it
Given up with my unit as it good for the first few days but in the last 3 weeks nothing I can do will keep it connected as it seems to make all the Bluetooth signals to drop out to the ATV 4 k unit mid rides . May be wait for a later Mk of unit.
Daft question maybe, but did Tocknell see you weaving side to side? Be interesting to see what he saw and experienced.
Yes he did
Sterzo smart works well on zwift
Hi Shane, love the video, looks great fun! Can you use this with a Kickr Climber?
No.
Does the other person see you steering? My understand is that zwift draws positions differently on each individual rider, so interested in the impacts there.
Sounds like a job for - SUPERRRR VON!!!!
Shane and Von race.
Poor Mathis =(
Cheers for the review - super thorough as always!
Do you think you would use this over the kickr climb?
Solo: The climb. This if everyone else had one.
Shane Miller - GPLama cheers Shane - love how you always respond to us!!
Should people without a Sterzo currently be able to see the "Steering" or "Accessories" widget on the pairing screen?
Likely not.
With steering you could really lower your times for segments and those hillclimbs
Shane, how is this when you are out of the saddle pushing on a climb or sprinting? Does your avatar start weaving all over the road?
Not unless you noodle around on the front end. I don't have any major dramas sprinting with it.
I have been wondering why the NEO TRACK has never been mentioned with regards to steering blocks. Already has ANT+ connectivity. Anyway possible to connect with Zwift through ANT+/BLE bridge?
Very nice for early intro to steering. Impression I have is that without “sticky”portion, it would be a somewhat monumental mental effort to hold your line in a group. Cleaner group effect?
Steering in GTBikeV is 'free roam' and yes, it takes a lot of effort.
Great Review, In order to get over the Apple TV limitation would a Viiiiva HR Strap work, connect the steering via ANT+ and retransmit over Bluetooth?
No. There’s no ANT+ profile for this device, it’s ANT only. The Viiiiva won’t connect to it.
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks for getting back 👍, wanted to avoid using the companion app since I use discord during races.
so one wonders... ride the same route not using the Sterzo and then ride while using it and trying to take the shortest line and see if indeed there is a difference in the distance :) One wonders if you can shave 300/400m off a course?
Tests already done. I'll get to work on the video today. It's faster to steer the shortest route. (and as Zwift doesn't slow you down on corners it's only the shortest route, not the optimal 'racing line' route)
Hi Shane, love the vids...
I've got a snap, but thinking of going to a direct drive, in your unbiased opinion 😆
What's the best/most reliable oh and quietish??
Thanks!
Take your pick from: Kickr or Kickr CORE. Elite Direto XR or Suito. Hammer H3. Tacx Neo 2T.
Is the Sterzo Smart block height compatible with all smart trainers (i.e. Neo 2T)...nice intro review...cheers
It lifts the front of the bike around 35mm
Idea is certainly good but the implementation surely needs more work. Unless Tacx and others will implement steering as a default feature I cannot see much use of this, other than racing to choose team mate to draft on. It would be so much simpler to just use arrow keys left and right to choose which person to draft. There's really no need for steering device to choose line. Knowing Zwift this should be part of InfiniteWorks.
Does it change the angle of steepness if you pick the inside or outside line when going up a climb?
No
Could it be that the non-sticking draft was because Tocknell was in workout mode? I wonder if it is the same in a free ride.
Where, when and how much Shane ?
Looks awesome
Hi , What if you have a Kickr Climb ?
@Shane Miller
do you think apple tv via compagion app can take 4 connections like my trainer, power meter, hrm and the steering ?
Yes
What's the bike stability on the Sterzo like Shane? I noticed you had to jump the front wheel back to centre and one point. Is it stable for high watt sprinting?
Compatibility with Tacx NEO Track? Seems like it would be easy to implement.
None.
Not sure this was a good test case for whether the automatic lane positioning algorithm follows manual steering when the person in the back (i.e. Tocknell) is doing a workout. Does it even make sense for drafting to take place during workouts?
Well done for reaching level 50th can we buy it let 🚴🏻♂️
What about on the hairpins of Alpe? is the inside line steeper? Do you need to put more power down than the outside
This is great and all...but how do you use your keyboard to type in chat? would be way better than the companion app!
Press M on the keyboard to bring up the chat window.
@@gplama
You rock
didn't they previous introduce this to be used with your mobile phone movement detection technology for the off-road route without having to buy another device? Can't they bring that across to the road still using our mobile phone on the handlebars?
I'm intrigued to see what the swerving looks like on the other riders screen. Do you appear to swerve or just keep riding as if in autopilot (usual Zwift movement/motion)?
They see the full send swerve. I'll do a livestream later tonight (Melbourne time) and show people this with fan view and have others join for the ride.
Do we know cost of smart versions in Australia
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@@gplama yeah maybe rushing out and getting one isn't the smartest thing. Wait for tacx and wahoo to bring out something to compete against in in the market. Fingers crossed it brings price down slightly.
Great video, thanks Shane! Quick question please, I have the dumb version of the Sterzo but am still trying to figure out how to stop the frame flexing whenever I steer. Any ideas? Thank you
There should be minimal movement when it's setup correctly. It depends how much flex you're talking I guess.
Well I thought the 1st 20 minutes it looked okay but is it worth it and then wow when you were playing with the DIRT rider that was crazy but trouble is that for racing surely everyone must have one for it to be fair 🤔 😉