Maserati MC20 | Nordschleife HOT LAP 7.25,26 min | sport auto Supertest
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2023
- Car: Maserati MC20; Driver: sport auto's Test Driver Christian Gebhardt
Tyre: Bridgestone Potenza Sport; Track: Nordschleife; Lap Time: 07.25,26 min
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For those watching this video, the MC20 is supposed to be optioned with Bridgestone Potenza Race tires. The Potenza Sport is not even suitable for an autocross, hence why the car has such terrible balance. I would be curious if this car had the track suspension optioned as well.
A design masterpiece - but definitely not made for the track 😀 Some winding roads in Tuscany are a more natural environment for this beauty. The price thou…
Not every car Is fast on Nurbungring,the MC21 should be way Faster
This car is a GT, and this driver was very bad as always when they test not german cars!! Fake lap nothing more, this laps are a joke
@@fqeagles21the fact that the 20 YEAR OLD Enzo Ferrari is faster than it is just sad
the driver set the record lap of the Ferrari 296 GTB how is he driveing bad he has so many records on the Nordschleife @@MarcSob22
Those Bridgestones are one of the most horrendous tires I’ve ever experienced on my car, no grip whatsoever. No surprise, it couldn’t grip here either
This car deserves Some Cup 2R or Supercar 3Rs. Easily a 7:10 car +/- 3-5 seconds.
Wunderschönes Auto. Bei dem bescheidenen Gripniveau der Reifen ist die Zeit durchaus in Ordnung.
Actually I think this is not a bad laptime. GT4 RS did 7:16 on super agressive Cup 2 R, with track geo etc.
Considering the MC20 only has Potenza Sport and it's definitely not made for the track, the laptime is quite OK.
Another important fact to note: this car only has 572hp instead of claimed 630hp (due to Sport auto dyno). Moreover, in evo magazine they weighed the car during Car of the year contest and the weight was 1700kg with full tank (without driver), which seems absolutely nuts to me (Maserati claims 1470kg). With real 630hp and sub-1500kg weight, it would have been ballistic.
Maserati said the MC20 engine generates 630hp. Quit with the dyno BS!
“Ballistic” is a bit bold. Suspension is tuned for road and not track.
7:03 with MR setup with the GT4 RS :-)
Compare it better with a 991.2 GTS that does 7:23 and costs probably half, has 450 ps and about 1500 kg, not the GT4 RS or 992 GT3. Then the Maserati`s laptime does`t look so good, in my opinion. It`s a nice car if you want to be a bit different but that`s it.
@@danflorea7031 GTS but on which tires?
I was curious about that one on the Nurburgring! As most Italians, they’re not “accurate” about the power and weight. But considering that and the fact the car wasn’t developed on the Nordschleife, it was a respectable lap time! On the other hand it looks gorgeous and I would love to have the Cielo version. Adding a better exhaust and a stg 2 remap, I would be done! 😎🤗
Porsche is definitely better in every way
no shit?@@seansiew5629
@@seansiew5629 who the fuck cares? Like honestly, i cant hear the obsession with laptimes anymore. It doesnt matter in the real world. Its all about how the car makes you feel. Yes, Porsches are quicker and they are engineered by people with an IQ of 500 and in the end youre not gonna drive sub 7 minute laptimes with it. Its al about emotions and this car probably gives a fucking shit ton of them
7:25 for a 2023 supercar is not at all respectable
@@iFigure this car is a gt, and the tires are potenza sport... 7:25 is not that bad, with cup2s it can do 7:1x easily, with a more aggressive suspension setup and a weight reduction probably 7:0x
From a hillbilly in the deep south of USA, shes not the fastest on the track, not bad for a non track car, but them damn Italians build a beautiful car.
Auch wenn die Zeit jetzt nicht wirklich vom Hocker haut... ein schöner Sportwagen allemal!😍😎👍
Ist aber auf normalen Straßenreifen. Mit nem Trofeo R oder Cup 2 R wären da sicher noch mal 8-10 Sekunden drin gewesen
Schön ist er wirklich. Wird definitiv mal ein begehrtes Sammlerstück.
I think this car has more potential than shown. The tires aren’t good. And the engine definitely doesn’t sound like it was modified. I think if the mechanics actually took the time needed, it can perform better. Autotopnl had a better sounding mc20 than what was driven on the Nurburgring track.
Looking at an old sportauto test on a 991.2 gt3, dyno test showed they added nearly 124ps to the road figure to get crank figure, but with the mc20, only 55ps added. If they used similar figure, mc20 would be little over 630ps.....can't tell me 991 loses much more power from engine to wheels than the mc20.....makes no sense
This car is obviously really capable, the chassis looks really balanced but it's very softly sprung and those tires were never going to cope with this type of demand. The sound is also not good and the engine seems like it's lacking a bit, a downpipe with a remap will solve that. A track version of this car with Cup 2 or C2R tires would be epic
better tires I agree. Definitely not softly sprung though, especially in Corsa mode. All the bumps were coming into that cabin. Tires and maybe a little more downforce with a rear GT3 style wing.
Cup Twos with one or two size bigger in front and back with a downpipe and tune should get this thing in the teens… maybe even closer to the 7s…
So it's heavier than Ferrari's V6 competitor despite not carrying hybrid tech, this example was down on power, and Maserati didn't even provide sport auto with stickier tire option (Potenza Race).
I'd say if the goal was to get an unfavorable review, Maserati couldn't have done a better job, lol.
Der Maserati MC12 hat vor 15 Jahren mit Marc Basseng am Steuer eine 7:24:29 hingelegt - 1 Sekunde schneller. Dessen Motor lieferte vermutlich aber auch echte 630PS
Der MC12 war mit 1602 kg mit vollem Tank nicht nur leichter als der MC20, sondern hatte sicher auch seine Nennleistung. Der MC12 erreichte nämlich einen Topspeed von 298 km/h auf der Döttinger Höhe vor der Antoniusbuche. Wir haben die Fahrt von Marc Basseng damals in sport auto 12/2008 begleitet. Der MC20 kam jetzt nur auf einen Topspeed von 288 km/h.
@@SportautoDewas MC12's lap also done in 20.600KM LAP？or 20.832KM Lap？ Bit confused about the old records😮
@@SimRacer-Brian MC12 was as well on 20,6 km
@@SportautoDe thx！
@@SportautoDe I thought all the cars in that EVO magazine group test (I wasn't aware sport auto also covered it) were weighed including driver and 45 kg of fuel. All the numbers line up pretty well if you count with Marc Basseng being 85 kg.
What's interesting, is that the MC12 was 106 kg heavier than Enzo (factory dry claim difference is only 80 kg), but still posted 1s faster lap time. Empty MC12 with full tank would be about 1530 kg, 115 kg less than MC20.
Regarding missing HP, looking at the measurement protocol the ambient air pressure was verylow at 919,5 hPa which is 70,5 hPa less or 7,67 % than 990hPa EWG norm outside air pressure.
The dyno measurements are uncorrected, it says „ohne Korrektur“. Sadly it also quotes „Normleistung“ which is normalized or corrected power, but no correction was applied. So it is actually a bit misleading.
Most modern turbo engines cannot compensate a low ambient pressure, as they will run into turbocharger speed protection. So you should roughly add 7,67% to the measured power and get 616 HP which is although less then claimed, is in tolerance whith the dyno.
So i do not see a Maserati fault here.
Sagt bescheid, ob ich es noch auf Deutsch schreiben sollte.
Thank you for your constructive criticism. Indeed, I also criticized MAHA for using the term "Normleistung" (standard performance) without correction. MAHA's rationale was that since the vehicle itself makes corrections, we are actually talking about standard performance. Therefore, the term "without correction" is somewhat misleading. It would be sensible to introduce another term. I am confident that MAHA will make adjustments in this regard.
Regarding your comment on the target boost pressure control: Maserati has confirmed that the vehicle makes its own corrections. However, these are not sufficient to completely compensate for the 730 meters of altitude or 919 hPa. Therefore, we have a significant corrected portion. The uncorrected portion is minimal and not clearly definable. Our priority was to represent representative values rather than conducting unclear recalculations.
Sorry folks, but Maserati is selling a performance car that cost 300,000 bucks but is slower than a CAMARO on the Nürburgring?
The Camaro beat a lot of European cars from its day. Respect.
十分だと思いますよ。
だってイタリアの車は数値よりも情熱でしょう😊
Hätte gerne die Runde mit Michelin super Cup 2R gesehen . Denke da sind weitere 5sek drin 😉😉
Respectable lap time despite of not being a track car. Possibly suspension systems not setup correctly for the track conditions and oh yes the tires. Give them a little bit make over with correct ECU tunes, better suspension geometry and tires. Its gonna be comparable with Porsche 911 GT3
For those who may be concerned, the Maserati MC12 lap time tested by Evo magazine was 7:24.29 in 2008, and the driver was Marc Basseng.
Put some proper tires and this would be a lot faster... Bridgestone Potenza Sport is not a track tire like the CUP2R that equips lot of competitors. The car suffers from a lot of understeer though...
great☺
Why not use semi-slicks instead of standard road tires??? On a competition touring m3 you put them and not on an MC20, it's illogical and it distorts the comparisons!
Not Sport Auto puts the tires on a car, it's the manufacturer. And rules for the Supertest are, that only tires are allowed that are also supplied for customer cars.
Bridgestone tires are very poor on track times.
Tune or no tune, light magnesium forged monobloc wheels, stickier tires, lighter Capristo particulate filter delete, lighter straight pipe Capristo rear exhaust, and water meth injection to capitalize on the stock high turbo boost values, relatively high engine compression, direct and port fuel injection, two spark plugs and two combustion chambers for pre-combustion high energy piston momemtum events at higher rpms up to the 8000 RPM is how I would spec it, but I still would hand over the keys to this same driver so he could shave off .26 seconds.
Das ist aber wirklich langsam🫣
considering the tires which has treadwear of 300, it is mighty fast.
wonder what time it will do with serious track tires
Wäre die Zeit besser wenn die Wippen am Lenkrad wären ? Oder stört das nicht. Hmm.
It’s 2 seconds slower than a 2.2 Tonne GT63s AMG that also did its lap on a somewhat damp circuit. That’s actually terrible. Not surprised though 245mm front tyres is just begging for understeer and lo and behold it has it in abundance.
I really hope Maserati does an official run, this time is horrible. I wonder if Ferrari is still out here paying companies off lol 😂 the mc20 should be way more capable than 7:25!
Mit semislick tyre -0.3s for every Km on track, so -5 sec. on lap
BMW M4 kind of time meanwhile old porsche 991.2 gt3 doing 7:12 which is in the same supercar bracket
How on earth is this nearly a second SLOWER than the MC12 from almost 20 years ago?
Where do you see downforce or track focused suspension? This a mid-engine Gt, not a Sf90xx lookalike
@@antonio.9698 neither is the 296 gtb and yet it's 27 seconds faster
296 has better aero and engine. And not to mention that the tires fitted to this Mc20 are not track-oriented. But hey, it's its first rear mid-engine car (second if we include the 4C) in a really long time so maybe it is not as dialled in.
Im Großen und Ganzen ein Auto für die Sammlung und zum Flanieren. Rundenzeiten überlassen wir richtigen Sportwagen. 😉
Zum Flanieren ist er zu leise.
Karely Ruiz's car is fast 😅
20 Jahre jünger und trotzdem langsamer als der MC12 damals. Das muss man sich mal auf der Zunge zergehen lassen.
Dann weiss man ungefähr wie schnell der TURBO S sein könnte. Vll 7:15
Wäre die Zeit besser, wenn die Wippen am Lenkrad wären ? Hmm.
also ich habe mehr erwartet. Aber in wirklichkeit Maserati hat keine Erfahrung mit echte Sportwagen... Und als Bonus fast 60 PS weniger als behauptet.
Sehr schlechte Performance für den Preis. Aber Maserati zielt eh auf eine andere Käuferschicht und diese fährt bestimmt nicht auf 'nem Track rum 😀
Hmm vieleicht zu viel am 95 oktan fahrt… (Leider am 100oktan)
it's faster than Farrari enzo and 812 superfast, so in my book it's quite capable...
@@pepvwaning8551Nice and valid perspective, but we can rule out the Enzo, because of the tires of the time! The evolution was amazing since then. I read the Carrera GT improved 20 sec. on the Nordschleife lap time a few years ago with modern tires. But the 812 Superfast is a good reference. But a Ferrar 488 GTB would be a better one!😉
Dafür hat er 40NM mehr und auf so einem Prüfstand sind schnell mal paar PS verloren.
Ich denke die Reifen die drauf sind ab werk sind keine Race Reifen wie zb Michelin cup 2R wie die meisten Rekordhalter sind auch nicht die sportlichsten von Bridgestone
Its a joke time... I did it last month 7.07... in the wet..,same car same color too
Alfa Giulia 7.32😂
Chevy camaro 7:16😭
This car is so expensive, even more than some ferrari’s but at the end of the day it’s just looks and nothing else
This time is so bad for this category and the car understeers a lot
Gebhard is not Bergmeister Estere or Kern ……..so take is easy guys
Bridgeston sport….gomme appena appena…servono le race
The handling is bad and doesn't seem to inspire confidence. Like in those tight corners the car was just struggling to be planted and is all over the place. I believe the Acura NSX type-S handles better than this in nurburgring, while being a hybrid. Also some rich businessman bought this MC20 in india and he complained that the car is not safe to drive and filed a case against stellantis. At first I didn't believe that but after watching this video there definitely seems to be some truth behind it. This and the huracan STO both are not fit for nurburgring. This car is best for winding roads at low speed and some highway acceleration or to buy some ice cream with your gf/wife.
Yea it looks like the Chevy Camaro zl1 1le looks like a way better track car then this...more of grand tourer than a "sports" car
Maybe the engine needed resetting from too much low octane driving?
Install some descent set of tires and come back, this particular set was awful
seems like a lot of understeer...
Habe in GT7 ne 07.08.xxx damit erreicht.
Viel zu starkes Untersteuern! Katastrophe vom Setup
It’s need an MR fine tuning! Me. Manthay…
думал будет побыстрее!! но автомобиль хороший👍
What is this, russian nazi language?
the best languages ❤
@@ark9823WTF is that comment ?
Horrible understeer throughout and very bad performance in high speed corners. Extremely poor performance considering the mid-engine layout and power to weight. Much slower than an 2017 AMG GT-R, 2016 Corvette Z06, and even a freaking 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE. This thing is slower than a lot of sports cars from 6-7 years ago. Absolutely pitiful.
Lol r u drunk? 😂
You forgot the terrible tyres, tho.
The understeer really is crazy and 165 kmh at Flugplatz basically sucks 😄 but the car looks very nice at least
Hold ur titties boys we have an know it all couch sitting brotato. Please share thy knowledge m'lord. 😂
Those are all track cars…this is faster than the similar competitors around the ring. The huracán Evo does it 3 seconds slower
Slower than NISSAN GTR, CHEVY CAMARO ZL1, CORVETTE Z06, BMW M4 CSL....
MC20 - The overpriced trash 😄😄
Not every car Is fast on Nurbungring,the MC21 should be way Faster
Definitiv alltagstauglicher als ein Enzo...schade immer diese Werkseinbremsungen:Ein Golf R darf einem TTS nicht gefährlich werden,der TTRS bekommt keine standhafte Bremse aus dem Porscheregal...usw...
Der Golf 8R wird einem TTS allerdings mehr als nur gefährlich...
C’mon this car is on mickey mouse tyres.
On first sight everything looks "okay", all speeds truogh corner seem fine. Like on Playstation. Maybe this car is also "too playstation": very sterile, missing any real excitiement or challenge
Does not worth the MC12 raging V12 beast! Lack of sound, lack of performance, for a multiple years later car, this one does not worth at all!
It is just a little more "pocket"!
Your english is somewhat special.
too slow
Neu Fiat mc20