Why Isn't Avi Loeb Going After Oumuamua? | Brian Keating on Joe Rogan
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‘Oumuamua is one of the central pieces of Avi Loeb's hunt for alien technology and the hunt for extraterrestrial life. But are we doing enough to study it properly?
In this clip, Joe and I discuss potential obstacles to going after Oumuamua and if billionaires should get involved.
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you were so nice to AVI, and now your bad mouthing him!!!!!!!!!
What Keating neglects to mention is that Loeb actually said that it's too late to look at Oumuamua, because it's far away and moving fast.
Earth observatories can't look at it anymore, but as Brian says, a hunting mission could be funded, sending a satellite with the biggest and fastest ion engine ever made, and shot straight into Oumuamua's last position. The damned object can't be that far away, it's still within the Solar system, we can track it down and photograph the heck of it in a flyby mission, it's just a matter of money
They got like a week to investigate Oumuamua? They can't track it anymore, and I believe it's already outside our solar-system. But if they were fast enough and already had a satellite ready I think it could have been done.
No way it's outside our solar system. It only got past Pluto in dec 22. Wont reach interstellar space til another year or so.
It looks like the same craft they found the alien bodies in ..They are coming back for mona Lisa alien we brought back to earth
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I like how you are respectful towards someone's work even though you disagree with it. But more importantly, you offer suggestions of experiments to test their claims, which I think is more powerful than just back and forth debates.
Appreciate you noticing. 🙏
Normally, i will agreed of this is Avi Loab, who was proved time and time again he cares about his sensation ideas more then the actual science. He is an embarrassment to all of science.
@@CeresKLeeHe is actually doing science at the highest level. You are not. Come back to reality, you are lost.
very informative, thanks for posting
Glad it was helpful!
The sad thing is: How low the expectation of mankind is.
If all an alien civilization has to offer is sending a boring rock, why bother? And even if it was extra-whatever and ultra-alien - the universe is STILL too big for fun stuff.
Love your work and your outlook Brian. Thank you 🙏
I appreciate that!
@@DrBrianKeating THANK YOU Brian, this is EXACTLY the right idea when I heard the suggestion put together. What better object to aim Starshot at than something we need to catch up with.
@@ColdCutz indeed. Something is inconsistent here. Any foreign shiny and rectangular extrastellar object, intercepting Earth ( and ONLY Earth) within 24 million km, of our 960 million long orbit (!!) around our Sun MUST have the default tagging of ‘Intentional’ passage, and require we’d go after it to get more info. Alternatively, we would NOT go after it, if we already knew what it was. Thats scenario becomes more lieky , once we realise we did NOT see it have an incoming trajectory in the first place. If it didnt have and incoming trajectory, the proximity to earth would make more sense, as it left us from a static position. E.g far side of the moon, a Lagrange point (soon to be occupied by JWST) or the like. In this case we have a simple,flat outgoing trajectory, and the accelerstion makes sense. Options my fellow humans, options.
Avi is in the news so much, quite simply because, he put his career on the line and he is going against the wind academically. We need more people like him. All the great scientists of the past made man's greatest discoveries because they did the same. Hats off to him. The Human race stagnates for decades because no one wants to look outside their comfy little gold fish bowl.
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No Joe. Many outside of Wrestling have known about Avi since the 1980's. He leads by pure intellect. Not ego.
This is what happens when people that don't know about space and become interested in space. No you can't Go after Oumuamua, lol. It was moving so fast we barely snapped a blury picture of the damned thing. The good news is if we can manage to explore our own moons and planets more I am certain we will find more evidence of Alien activity if they are coming to this system. If not, we wont find anything. Beats chasing a object across the cosmos.
I love the image of the long dark colored "rock" looking image the media bandied around in association with omouamua We had no idea what shape it was or its color. All we knew was every 8 hours or so it increased in luminosity considerably. Avi has mentioned this before and said himself it could have been any shape or color all they could tell was it was somewhere between 100-1000 metres long and its width and thickness aprox 35-170 metres. So why pretend it looked like a rock when we have no idea what it looks like.
k, so, yes...
from: solarsystem.nasa.gov
Overview
The first confirmed object from another star to visit our solar system, this interstellar interloper appears to be a rocky, cigar-shaped object with a somewhat reddish hue. The object, named ‘Oumuamua by its discoverers, is up to one-quarter mile (400 meters) long and highly-elongated-perhaps 10 times as long as it is wide. That aspect ratio is greater than that of any asteroid or comet observed in our solar system to date. While its elongated shape is quite surprising, and unlike objects seen in our solar system, it may provide new clues into how other solar systems formed.
The observations suggest this unusual object had been wandering through the Milky Way, unattached to any star system, for hundreds of millions of years before its chance encounter with our star system.
“For decades we’ve theorized that such interstellar objects are out there, and now―for the first time―we have direct evidence they exist,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator for NASA’s Science Mission Directorate in Washington, in November 2017.
Animated view of interstellar object's orbit.
Immediately after its discovery, telescopes around the world, including ESO’s Very Large Telescope in Chile, were called into action to measure the object’s orbit, brightness and color. Urgency for viewing from ground-based telescopes was vital to get the best data.
Combining the images from the FORS instrument on the ESO telescope using four different filters with those of other large telescopes, a team of astronomers led by Karen Meech of the Institute for Astronomy in Hawaii found that ‘Oumuamua varies in brightness by a factor of 10 as it spins on its axis every 7.3 hours. No known asteroid or comet from our solar system varies so widely in brightness, with such a large ratio between length and width. The most elongated objects we have seen to date are no more than three times longer than they are wide.
“This unusually big variation in brightness means that the object is highly elongated: about ten times as long as it is wide, with a complex, convoluted shape,” said Meech. “We also found that it had a reddish color, similar to objects in the outer solar system, and confirmed that it is completely inert, without the faintest hint of dust around it.”
that first paragraph there, or is Nasa lying again?
@stufromoz8164 .. You have no idea. The data shows to 90% certainty that Oumuamua is "pancake" shaped, roughly. .. Avi Loeb has stated this very clearly. .. I know the math. .. I agree that the artists always screw things up.
@@bimmjim Who cares, The most interesting part is we know it is 10 times longer than it is wide. They way this object ADDS up mathematically is VERY curious.
You are correct. You would think that Avi with the millions of funding could have an artist impression made of a reddish metallic rectangular shape and not some silly cigar shape rock which we KNOW is impossible for nature to form or morph organically. Moreover, I notices all flight trajectory animations never display the static viewpoint of our inner planets, in which you see correctly Oumuamua intercept specifically and only Earth at a very unnatural angle. No we see some phancy panning out perspective of Oumumua’s passing obscuring its remarkable encounter with Earth. I find these intentionally misleading and I think Avi should improve on these visuals to strengthen his case. The general public looks at images first and words later. Finally, I would also appriciate someone would mention, we Only saw Oumumua leaving our proximiry, so technically we never saw an inbound trajectory in the first place. So all inbound trajectories animations are misleading in that respect as well. I understood that IF Oumumua ever was close to its perihelion it should have been visible , certainly for the stereo 1a ST. But we didnt . So in all, a lot to answer, also by Avi…?
my point exactly @@bimmjim
"Less than a billion dollars". And it had to be done yesterday. No wonder Avi isn't enthousiastic, but realistic. Asking any billionaire to spend 800 or 900 million dollars of their private money to check if a suspicion is correct is absurd. Especially if several governments seem to have non human bodies and craft in their possession. Investing a fraction of that "less than a billion" in dozens of the best investigative journalists to see what the US government has been hiding is a way better investment.
Fu## yeah I agree 100% dr Brian seems a little jealous for some reason 😊
@DemsRpedosPerverts LOL...evidence of aliens...LOL!
@DemsRpedosPerverts Dude, put up or shut up. You haven't got the smoking gun evidence for all to see yet. We're not going to hold our breath.
Why would anyone with a solid science background like Brian Keating be jealous of a boastful, tantrum-pitching gasbag like Avi Loeb, whose self-importance and ego are built on a carefully created public image, and churned out writing?. With that level of Avi-promotion, I'd be shocked if he didn't get as much media attention as he does.
I do not think Avi has unlimited funding ... yet. I would bet Avi took a real hard look at doing this and thought that there were better uses for the limited funding
I think one billion dollars it is a lot of money. Scientists have found few objects like Oumuamua in our solar system, they called it dark comets. So it is possible to have normal explanation. I still like what Avi do, to be sure.
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I think Oumuamua was long gone by the time AL became curious about it. And it seems presumptuous to assume someone could muster up a billion dollars on the fly to build something fast enough to catch up with it.
O've course it's getting away, we've spent the last 50 yrs understanding how not to understand.
2:25 WRONG.
87km/s isn't in the NASA playbook, you should know this.
Considering the senseless attacks on him now, (like Joe Rogan’s here) just imagine the ridicule if he spent two billion dollars, took ten years, could not find the object, or got a negative result. If he can not find cheaper and more reliable ways to get the same result in less time, it will probably be much easier to actually visit the object twenty years from now, no?
To confidently assert that it's possible to catch up to Oumuamua with a tiny probe, you'd need to also provide the velocities of the two objects concerned. Do you actually know how fast Oumuamua is moving and how far from our solar system it has traveled since 2017? Do you actually know that a tiny probe could make up that six-year head start? Otherwise, you're just making an intellectually dishonest allegation.
True it did speed up
100% I support avi plus he has one already to study
@@ophiolatreia93 where is the proof for that?
"Superman and the Flash might be able to catch up with it" - Avi
Totally agree. Seemed like JR let him off too easy on that point.
Dr Keating lend him your BICEP2 to track down Oumuamua and make sure the lens are free from intergalactic dust.
Loeb is not merely giving a hypothesis. He's analyzing data that you're not looking at or privy to. Without it, how can you say his conclusions are incorrect? Some "scientist".
Can you acually catch up to it?... I thought it was going to fast?
If such "objects" are much more frequent and it takes tens of years only to catch up oumuamua, considering that all works absolutely fine for the mission, maybe Avi is not so "wrong".
Is there a video where you explain your thoughts or theories on what ufos or uap are? I can’t tell if you’re a skeptic or not lol.
I get the feeling he's an ill-informed skeptic.
If 1I/'Oumuamua is a "scout" there is no reason to expect the LSST to find another one. It may find a plethora of natural interstellar objects (i.e., rocks and icebergs), but what if only one scout is sent per millennia?
We have done a series of papers on reaching 1I and, yes, it can certainly be done. I would rank it is as New Frontiers type mission, i.e., in the order of a billion dollars, but it could be done.
And, yes, if you really think 1I is alien technology, you absolutely should want to go to it.
Why would the aliens make their spaceship look like a piece of 💩?
With the technology available to us through the reverse engineering of off world craft, we could indeed go run it down and bring it back. We just have to get the Pentagon to release its files on the crash retrieval program David Grusch referred to. Also, Dr Loeb is keeping the subject alive by all of his endeavors and publicity. The populous like him because he has such child like interest in what he he doing and he is always smiling.
Presumably said with tongue firmly in cheek.
@@0neIntangibleLive a little
@@DrGreerIsRightshow me don't tell me.
I bet we'll catch it by century's end. An automated craft with super fast nuclear propulsion & a sample retrival.
How can you catch up with this object when it’s already long gone?
Billions of cellphone cameras here on earth ... show me 1, just 1 photo of any,,, just 1 photo from billions of cameras of any alien visitor ... please :)
I am waiting for more information on his meteorite. If the uranium isotopes substantiate a more recent origin than say a billion years, then his argument for artificial origin is more supported.
Oumuamua is moving too fast relatively to us and is already on the away path - no technology exists at present to send a probe to "catch" it. There are concepts to send a probe to wait for such objects in space, so maybe the next time if there's money for such a mission.
Not too fast for BT Starshot light sails!
@@DrBrianKeating yes, I just meant something we can build and send now
This a great channel but one thing you find with Dr Keating unfortunately is that he never voices these criticisms in this way to these people like Avi Loeb when he has them on his channel. They are valid criticisms so take them on face to face and discuss it with them in real time.
Not true. Go back to my interview with avi in 2021 about EXTRATERRESTRIAL. I absolutely did criticize him for this exact reason.
Talking about a world championship in a national sport
I think this probe will need a very powerful laser to work, it's not going to cost cheap, economy of scale will work later, but first one need infrastructure.
He was already struggling to make his Galileo project working, just a couple of amateur telescopes and instruments plus computers.
I am pretty sure Avi didn't have a financial backer to fork over a figure close to $1 billion.
But I am pretty sure now that Avi has brand recognition the next time one of these interstellar object enter he might be able to find a financial backer. But When Oumuamua happened to be in our realm with would have been impossible as he was considered a nobody.
What bullshit.
How come man cannot get out of low Earth orbit in 2024
"it would probably cost less than a billion dollars". Easy to throw around someone else's money isn't it?
Yap I thought the same and dr Brian is supposed to be a friend of Avi unless I’m missing something 😊
and they get all the glory and a percentage of their book sales!
He seriously suggested asking someone for a billion dollars.....on the fly.
"probably" 🤣🤞
Catching up to Oumuamua is not a simple task. Not in the slightest. Nor is it cheap; it would cost a very large sum of money - not an amount that can be easily obtained... and certainly nowhere near the amount of money Avi has access to (unfortunately!).
But regardless, Joe should ask Avi why he is not going after Oumuamua rather than engage in a game of speculation and broken telephone; that would make more sense.
Elon, a used falcon heavy, and a few modified and sensor'd up starlink sats as probs... could run that thing down... for probably a couple hundred mil :-P
Why Isn't Avi Loeb Going After Oumuamua? Because his boat doesn't move that fast?
I have questions about Avi...but a show about Avi's motivation? Don't be such a know it all!
It's travelling too fast.
Perhaps Avi would have preferred Oumuamua to have entered Earth's orbit, burst through the atmosphere and smashed somewhere onto the planet... oh well, maybe next time.
hey bud i need a loan..cool how much do you need?....like a billion will cover it...
Why don't the billoners creat a charity for Maui? Hhhhmmmm 😊 God bless!
san diego would never win a world championship becouse is not competing against the world... lol, it is national championship in whatever sport
prolly cause its fake.
Avi is smarmy
Avi Loeb rides on unprovables and untestables. Snakeoil.
Hmm isn't that what the theoretical physics, string theory, parallel universe, black hole paper writers ride on.
Avi Loeb is driven by wishful thinking. Sean Carrol came up with that term once, And I think it fits perfectly.
@@NightMahar The quality of a conjecture differs from making up fiction.
@@NightMahar No!
Your statement couldn’t be further from the truth. Avi has gone out of his way to finance experiments and bring in new data to prove or disprove his hypothesis based on the scientific method
Avi is not a believable person imo. His actions seem geared towards making as much $$ as he can the last several years
correct. none of it makes any actual sense.