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Hello! my friend. You promised and fulfilled, My brother! I liked to see your personal setup, I'm inspiring you to make my adjustments, thank you! a big hug :-)👍
My favorite comment so far lol. and yes absolutely by not feeding the lowest lows through the amps (lower than the speakers can play efficiently without distortion) you maintain much more power for when you really want to crank it!
@@techsounds9956 Also, less travel on the mid-bass drivers means they can run at the frequency range that they are most efficient. Nothing like a good set-up to keep things copesthetic.
Thank you for the information. I have the following: Marantz SR5008, B&W CM8 left & right towers, ASW 610 Subwoofer, and a B&W center channel. Should I connect the speaker cables to the HF or LF interconnects on my cm8 tower speakers? I am using Audyssey to set up the speakers.
are there jumpers between the two sets of interconnects? if no then i would get some jumper plates or jumper cables to connect the two interconnects.... or you could always bi amp. i have a video on the subject you may find interesting
I am very please with your setting. I am herring more of the instrument more crisper. I am a jazz musician, so I see the difference. I have a Denon AVR x-1500h for several years now. I want to move up. I am not sure what I want. I use to be Yamaha person, but the sell Person told me to check out Denon. I could not believe the separation and sound over the Yamaha. I've been with Yamaha for over 20 years. Now is Denon.
Should definitely set your lfe to a min of 120hz. You want the subwoofer to cover areas above your crossover points. Also you can’t really use the frequency response of the the speakers to set up your system. What’s important is the frequency response of the speakers in your room. Bc I’m positive your response looks nothing like the graph your showing.
The reason to set your lfe higher is when you set a crossover point the receiver will start rolling off before that point. It’s not a steep drop right at 100hz. It’s a gradual roll off that starts before the crossover point. The idea behind that is to make the combined response of the two speakers to equal your tArget response. So if you sub is rolling off before 100hz and your speakers are rolling off above 100 hz then there will be frequencies in that channel that you are losing. Shouldn’t be much of an issue for heights and surrounds but you’d still want to have everything set properly. Especially in the center channel.
if you watch the video, you will see that my lfe is set to 120 because thats the crossover point of my highest speaker. the front speakers are set as bass speakers also. they play down to 40 hz from receiver unless modified. right now towers are set at 60 because they can play anything down to there. the subs only pickup 60-80 and below for the most part unless i have the height speakers going then the bass upto 120 that would have gone to them goes to the subs. other wise it all comes out of 250 watts and then under 60-80 hz goes to the big 15'' subs. in stereo its basically setup as two 1000 watt rms 4 way speakers. so all channels are receiving the appropriate power and frequencies.
the speaker response graph is just a guideline with a quick way to see where your speakers are comfortable playing down to efficiently. if i had some better software i could show you the curve im getting but do not have anything as of right now.
if you have any frequencies going to the sub above 100hz then lfe if not then 100hz. but either way if your max to the sub is 100hz then either will work.
I have a question I have a marantz 6o14 I have the definitives for the front 9080x and it has 2 top atmos as extras that are not hooked up so can I hook it up to the subwoofer for sound ?
not really you would only get bass output through small speakers. if you just wanted them to run you could hook them up in parrallel to the other atmos speakers but depending on receiver it may not be happy with the lower impedance. this would also change your height imaging may throw things off a little
Wrong from the beginning. LFE - LOW FREQUENCY EFFECTS. Its what you get from .1 channel. IMAX recommendation to set it at least to 120HZ LPF. You will not get any distortion from the speakers that are not sensitive at specific frequency.
My settings only really work of you have some decent speakers that can play down below 120hz. BASICALLY Any speaker can play 120hz cleanly so why cap them there if you can get so much more out of them. And by setting speakers to 120hz if you have a passive crossover in the speaker you are not using any of your low frequency drivers which is a waste... so why would you purchase speakers knowing you would never have them functioning? Doesnt make sense or sound proper to me
@@techsounds9956 LFE+Main has nothing to do with your mains. You are in the Subwoofer configuration. It means, that when there is a Bass signal on the L or R channel it will also be routed to your SUB. This ONLY applies if your Mains are set to BIG. You can basically choose if your Sub supports your Mains when e.g. playing stereo. If you set your mains to small, this setting will be completely ignored ( i confirmed this with REW measurements) and all your bass below the crossover frequency will be directed to your Sub. Setting your LPF for LFE to ANYTHING OTHER than 120HZ will lead to signals beeing filtered away when Listening to Multi channel audio, as the .1 - channel (or LFE) in surround is DEFINED to only go until 120hz. You can use this setting if your SUB has problems reproducing the higher frequencies, but in must cases this should be untouched.
@@ferdinandgleinser2681 I am setting up the speakers. It is not a denon. And by setting the minimum frequency to go to the speakers any thing under the selected frequency goes to the subs. Bass comes out through the speakers I'm not sure how you dont understand this. Try it out. Set your speakers to 40 hz and turn your subs off see what happens
@@ferdinandgleinser2681 lfe+main is where the bass goes, so to the sub channel + the main speakers. so yes it has everything to do with it. and my lfe is set to 110-120hz because thats the crossover point of the highest crossed over speakers.110-120hz. so the signals below 60hz go to the sub from the tower channels and above go to the speakers. and on the suurounds 120 and below goes to the sub and above to the speakers. all speakers are set to large except for heights which are small. i assure you the bass will play through all speakers. you can tell when you adjust the crossover frequencies. if its set above like 120 the bottom 3 speakers dont function. if set to below that like for exaple 60hz they play the frequencies down to 60hz. there are no frequencies missing. where the speaker crossover point on the processor is splits the signal below to the lfe and above to the amps then speakers. you can even tell a difference in how loud the system goes when set to match what the speakers can actually handle because there is no drop in the curve in the lower frequencies. everything is playing the frequencies they are made to play.
How about other internal settings,audio delay multeq xt32 on or off ,dynamic equipment on or off graphic equipment on or off ,speaker selection all ,left right ,each cinema equipment on or off loudness management on or off ,and compression low,medium,high,or auto thank you 😊
I have a 5.1 system and could add a sixth speaker as a center height (right). Can I set up my Marantz accordingly ? Will it improve my system or should I leave it as 5.1 ?
hi im currently running a 5.1.4 set up with a dennon avr 4500 amp and I've ran the audssey app but am so confused about all the settings and how to adjust them ? its a minefield of info and I wondered if I send my calibration details to someone the would be kind enough to have a look and help me please
@@techsounds9956 Thats incorrect, your sub woofer will play all frequencies below what the crossover point for each speaker is set at, however what you are talking about here is the lfe channel. That is a completely separate channel that only has information sent to your sub woofer, by lowering the crossover point you are essentially just eliminating that information and it will not be sent to any other speakers. This setting should be set to at least 120 as recommended by thx standards.
depends how big your speakers are. 120 is recommended for basically home theater in a box type setups with very small speakers and single 6" or 8" subwoofer most the time
I read from the audessey boards and audio/video forums that you should never lower the crossover than what audessey made it (which you did in this video). however, it's ok to increase it after what the audessey calibration made it.
Hi man thanks for the comment :) The audyssey sets my speakers at 40hz as default because they are all large and the bass is set to lfe+main and you will see that I raised the crossovers from the preset 40hz up to 60hz did not lower them. thanks. any other questions?
That is what Audyssey says, but it is not always 100% true (call it 90-95% true). Audyssey sets my Sony Core Atmos Modules (atop the core towers) at 150 Hz, but I find it sounds much better at 120 Hz, definitely richer. So while that is a decent rule of thumb, do not be afraid to experiment. Just do not try going much lower than what Audyssey sets them to.
@@techsounds9956 Audysey set some at 150, you lowered to 100..... i think thats what he was getting at. The 100-150 range will not be corrected if you do it this way.
Unless your room is treated looking at a manufacturers chart might not tell the whole story. You need REW and you have to measure the frequency response in your room. You might find the crossover needs to be set higher. Audyssey also only measures one speaker at a time so it’s a bit of a downside. REW will let you play your mains and sub so you can test the crossover integration.
Tech Sounds REW is free. But a good usb microphone will run you $75 -$100 USD. Umik-1 from MiniDsp is a popular one. If you get it from Cross-Spectrum it’s individually calibrated.
Sorry you are wrong. If your speakers -3 db point is around 60Hz, you should set your crossover for that speaker at least to 100Hz. Usually the right crossover is one octave more than your low -.3db point of the speaker. . Remember, the crossover is not a brick wall ! Of course all speakers has to be set to small for the bass management to work, and get the slam from your subwoofer. Good speaker and sub position will minimize the possible subwoofer localization issues and you can get around using higher subwoofer crossover (in this case the 100-120hz) should be the optimum for your mains. Never lower the crossover lower than the audyssey suggest, because there is no filters runnin below the suggested hz.
thanks for the comment. however i disagree. the speakers -3db point on my speakers is somewhere between 40-50hz and that was measured with the crossovers in place on the chart i used so therefore the crossovers in this test are in fact acting as a brick wall where they do not absorb the frequencies running along it. the audyssey sets my speakers to 40hz automatically but i raise the frequence into the flat response. i set the bass to main+lfe because thats how i like it to sound. i listen to a lot of rap and hip hop etc. i had planned to move my subs into the corners to maximize their output but they never get set more than half volume where they are and how they are setup now. However as you pointed out i may in fact be wrong, thanks for pointing that out. very interesting.
Where does this "set one octave higher" rule come from? If the speaker can play clean down to the -3dB point, then why not use the speaker to its full range? (I am assuming there is enough amplifier power to drive it that low). Movie non-LFE channels are full range 20-20k, so why cripple a speaker with a high cutoff? Isnt the digital crossover in most AVRs 4th order (24dB/oct rolloff), that's steep enough to not worry about playing freqs lower than the speaker can do on paper.
@@johnpoo1662 Good points. The crossover typically is 24dB but its best to find the best crossover by measuring to be sure, example UMIK-1 + REW combo. My self for example, i have KEF Q900 front speakers that plays flat to around 40Hz in my room (specs says 32dB I tried 40,60 and 80 and found 80 had the best integration (suprise that was just the "double" up rule 40x2 = 80Hz) I am noticing i can play louder and clearer, the mids and highs are better (lower distortion?) it helps the speaker and amplifier load because subwoofer does more.This of course depends how good subwoofer you have and how high it can play without sounding bad (i have SVS sub) which have clean and flat sound to over 120Hz. Also remember with a 24dB crossover, even with using 80Hz xover, the lower frequencies still bleeds to the main speakers, example 40Hz in my case (24dB lower) that which i measured and know was the "realistic" usable lower range, so below that 20-32Hz range is then 48dB lower which is fine because it would be no use in any way it only adds resonances and load to the amplifier. With a decent subwoofer, its always better to give the max you can for it if you can (without localisation issues). This is always speaker and subwoofer combo specific. Best to measure to be sure :)
@@johto true. Measuring is best if specs are not to be trusted. Right now i don't have a sub due to neighbors, but i still have to tell the AVR i have one so it doesn't send full range to the fronts. Hence my interest in the best sounding crossover setting.
Hey man good video, but I honestly think you should just set the crossover for all speakers to 80hz and let your subwoofer handle everything below 80hz. I have Paradigm Studio Reference v4 series speakers and they go lower than the Polks and I set them to 80hz. Just because a speaker says it can go low doesn't mean it can reproduce low frequencies nearly as good as a dedicated sub. Just my 2 cents.
I agree, i set mine to 120Hz, all 7 channels and the base from subwoofer is much better. Try 120, 100, 80, 60. The best if someone else does it while you are blindfolded. Then listen to one minute of some movie with effects for each setting. Pick the one you like and v'oilla. This is it. This way you are not biased by numbers in your had.
You do not set the crossover point based on the speakers spec, you base it off of measurements in your room. My room has a 83hz resonance. So it boosts my JBL 590s 20db, 10db with the ports plugged. So I set my crossovers to 100hz to clear that mode. My 4x PB-1000 Pros are calibrated, and do not have the 83hz boost on final output at all 4 seats. So now I don’t have boosted 83hz bass. This is how you’re supposed to choose your crossover point, not by looking at a spec sheet.
Hey buddy please Little help yesterday i connect my prime towers and x4700h receiver stereo system i dosnt finish yet i have to take center sub and surounds.. so the question is i have to make calibration With microphone or because is stereo it doesn't matter? Please little help Buddy 🙏🙏🙏
If you plan to connect more and it sounds good now I'd just wait til u get it all setup if it sounds bad and you won't have the other speakers setup for awhile then sure run the calibration now then with the other speakers once they're hooked up
@@techsounds9956 thank you so much Buddy 🙏🙏🙏 appreciate your unswer and one last question when i close my receiver on a screen says zone 2 on with middle bridness i thought it was on and i try to up down volume to see if its on abd it was close so why it show me this what i have to do? Thank you again 🙃
@@techsounds9956 am one last question buddy i order ultra center channel instead prime center with my prime towers for better center sound you believe i would have problem with front sound of three speaker's in matching or no because if i would have im gonna change it and i took the ultra center because i think its gonna be more clear sound what do you think i must do?
It took me weeks to find out why my right tower speaker was a lot louder than my left. Turns out that audyssey setup put +8db to my right speaker for some reason! Audyssey setup is crap! My 2 cents.
Audyssey can't know what volume you are listening. A good 4" speaker can sound amazing down to 100hz at low/mid volume and crappy at mid/high volume. So if i'd want to get the most out of a certain speaker and i listen to low/mid volume, Audyssey is useless. Tuning the sound by ear is best. Please correct if i'm wrong.
audyssey just doesnt seem to like bass for some reason. i usually just set i up how i do with the subs how it wants them then turn the ubs back up after
So.......you ran Audessey then went and manually overrode the settings? You basically changed all the settings that Audessey set up for you. there are two options Audessey or Manual.
all audyssey really does besides a crappy job at setting up the eq is fix any phasing issues and gets speaker distances. so its useful for that but as for getting any kind of decent sound from.... meh
I ran audyssey on my marantz sr 6013 ,to my klipsch 280fa klipsch 450c klipsch 600m klipsch 250s and klipsch 150m and two 15 vega subs. Sounded like shit ,everything was dumbed down way too much . It set my center stage to large . Idk I just didn't like audyssey, at all.. but great video for the crossover points
@@techsounds9956 yea I m just gonna buy a spl meter and try it that way . Hey by any chance i see you a marantz or denon do you no how to set 2nd profile for 2ch stereo I see other people doing it I can not figure it out
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Great Video. According to all details ( In video and replies ) I'm a bit confused. Can you please explain in SIMPLE WORDS what is : LFE+MAIN or LFE ? Thanks.
Wrong. My setup is on lfe plus main. And 120 hz doesnt need to go to the subwoofer if you have adequate power and actual decent speakers that can play down below that 120hz mark. Nice try tho ;)
LPF FOR LFE should be set to 120Hz. But that is bass management setting. Different than crossover setting for your mains. Set crossover higher, 120, 150hz even for mains, and you will get much bigger, punchier louder low frequency output. Try it to believe it. I had 60hz, than 80hz, but 120hz For Me in My room works best for movies. I went from -10dB level to -20dB level of loudness when i switched crossover from 60Hz to 120Hz.
@@piano8481 I've tried this many times playing around with things. The volume increase is because your not using as much power in your speakers to play bass in them. I never have my system over 40 db usually and it goes to like 96(processor reading not actual levels) or something. I have plenty of headroom in each channel, in the system so volume isnt an issue. If you cut your speakers off that high your basically not using the woofers in the speakers unless they are a 2 way speaker with only tweeters and lows. Every speaker in my system except my atmos heights are 3 way speakers. My 2 way atmos speakers are crossed over at like 120.
Thank you for posting because you explain that articulately and intelligently! GOOD JOB!
This is the first video , of all videos that ever talk & guided us threw this. Thank U & And great job.👍🍺🗣💨💨
Thanks for sharing bro..gonna have to try this out.
Great video,thank you for sharing with us😁✌️
My pleasure
Nice video. How did you get that background in your menu screen, and what receiver are you using???
Fantastic !! Thanks
As per ur video settings dynamic volume should be on or off??
Thanks for the information. Do you use a SPL meter to determine the speaker level for your setup?
audyssey comes with a setup mic that you just plug into a 3.5mm input on the front of the receiver
Interesting thanks
good setup
Nice video
Thanks :)
I will try it. I will let you know how it work out. Thank you for the advice.
Hello! my friend. You promised and fulfilled, My brother! I liked to see your personal setup, I'm inspiring you to make my adjustments, thank you! a big hug :-)👍
Thanks my friend :) glad I could help. What tweaks have you made to your setup? How did it change how things sounded?
I though the LPF should remain at 120Hz?
Yep the LFE channel isn't mixed into mains, so you dont want to be filtering out any sounds. 120hz or 150 or even 200hz fine.
Hey I have the definitive 9080x for towers and cs 9080 for center channel. So what are the right settings for these ?? I can't get my boom back 😫
Damn it, now it's not a secret. Everyone knows.
Good advice. As a side benefit, it conserves power from the main amps.
Thanks.
My favorite comment so far lol. and yes absolutely by not feeding the lowest lows through the amps (lower than the speakers can play efficiently without distortion) you maintain much more power for when you really want to crank it!
@@techsounds9956 Also, less travel on the mid-bass drivers means they can run at the frequency range that they are most efficient. Nothing like a good set-up to keep things copesthetic.
perfect help.........THANKS.................
Thank you for the information. I have the following: Marantz SR5008, B&W CM8 left & right towers, ASW 610 Subwoofer, and a B&W center channel. Should I connect the speaker cables to the HF or LF interconnects on my cm8 tower speakers? I am using Audyssey to set up the speakers.
are there jumpers between the two sets of interconnects? if no then i would get some jumper plates or jumper cables to connect the two interconnects.... or you could always bi amp. i have a video on the subject you may find interesting
@@techsounds9956 Thanks for the response. I have jumpers between the two sets of interconnects.
@@dkoneify with the jumpers in place it doesnt really matter which you connect to either will work about the same
I thought you taped the mic to your head based off the thumbnail lol
I own a Denon and how can I stop the amplifier from clipping?
You use LFE + MAIN for SMALL? Don't you wanna use that essential when fronts are set to LARGE?
I am very please with your setting. I am herring more of the instrument more crisper. I am a jazz musician, so I see the difference. I have a Denon AVR x-1500h for several years now. I want to move up. I am not sure what I want. I use to be Yamaha person, but the sell Person told me to check out Denon. I could not believe the separation and sound over the Yamaha. I've been with Yamaha for over 20 years. Now is Denon.
Should definitely set your lfe to a min of 120hz. You want the subwoofer to cover areas above your crossover points. Also you can’t really use the frequency response of the the speakers to set up your system. What’s important is the frequency response of the speakers in your room. Bc I’m positive your response looks nothing like the graph your showing.
The reason to set your lfe higher is when you set a crossover point the receiver will start rolling off before that point. It’s not a steep drop right at 100hz. It’s a gradual roll off that starts before the crossover point. The idea behind that is to make the combined response of the two speakers to equal your tArget response. So if you sub is rolling off before 100hz and your speakers are rolling off above 100 hz then there will be frequencies in that channel that you are losing. Shouldn’t be much of an issue for heights and surrounds but you’d still want to have everything set properly. Especially in the center channel.
if you watch the video, you will see that my lfe is set to 120 because thats the crossover point of my highest speaker. the front speakers are set as bass speakers also. they play down to 40 hz from receiver unless modified. right now towers are set at 60 because they can play anything down to there. the subs only pickup 60-80 and below for the most part unless i have the height speakers going then the bass upto 120 that would have gone to them goes to the subs. other wise it all comes out of 250 watts and then under 60-80 hz goes to the big 15'' subs. in stereo its basically setup as two 1000 watt rms 4 way speakers. so all channels are receiving the appropriate power and frequencies.
the speaker response graph is just a guideline with a quick way to see where your speakers are comfortable playing down to efficiently. if i had some better software i could show you the curve im getting but do not have anything as of right now.
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You've set your sub crossover on the avr to 100hz, on the back of your sub what do you set the crossover, is 100hz or LFE. Great video 👍
if you have any frequencies going to the sub above 100hz then lfe if not then 100hz. but either way if your max to the sub is 100hz then either will work.
I have a question I have a marantz 6o14 I have the definitives for the front 9080x and it has 2 top atmos as extras that are not hooked up so can I hook it up to the subwoofer for sound ?
not really you would only get bass output through small speakers. if you just wanted them to run you could hook them up in parrallel to the other atmos speakers but depending on receiver it may not be happy with the lower impedance. this would also change your height imaging may throw things off a little
Sorry but not understanding is the fronts set to large??
As a guideline how about setting crossover 20Hz above their lowest freq response?
that would limit distortion at high volume but you may be missing out some lower and lower mids that way
Is that chart for your room because your room may be a lot different
its for an ideal scenario and a treated room should yield similar results
Wrong from the beginning. LFE - LOW FREQUENCY EFFECTS. Its what you get from .1 channel. IMAX recommendation to set it at least to 120HZ LPF. You will not get any distortion from the speakers that are not sensitive at specific frequency.
Actually if you notice my system is set to lfe plus main so bass actually goes to all my speakers. So you are the one who is incorrect. Thanks tho
My settings only really work of you have some decent speakers that can play down below 120hz. BASICALLY Any speaker can play 120hz cleanly so why cap them there if you can get so much more out of them. And by setting speakers to 120hz if you have a passive crossover in the speaker you are not using any of your low frequency drivers which is a waste... so why would you purchase speakers knowing you would never have them functioning? Doesnt make sense or sound proper to me
@@techsounds9956 LFE+Main has nothing to do with your mains. You are in the Subwoofer configuration. It means, that when there is a Bass signal on the L or R channel it will also be routed to your SUB. This ONLY applies if your Mains are set to BIG. You can basically choose if your Sub supports your Mains when e.g. playing stereo.
If you set your mains to small, this setting will be completely ignored ( i confirmed this with REW measurements) and all your bass below the crossover frequency will be directed to your Sub.
Setting your LPF for LFE to ANYTHING OTHER than 120HZ will lead to signals beeing filtered away when Listening to Multi channel audio, as the .1 - channel (or LFE) in surround is DEFINED to only go until 120hz. You can use this setting if your SUB has problems reproducing the higher frequencies, but in must cases this should be untouched.
@@ferdinandgleinser2681 I am setting up the speakers. It is not a denon. And by setting the minimum frequency to go to the speakers any thing under the selected frequency goes to the subs. Bass comes out through the speakers I'm not sure how you dont understand this. Try it out. Set your speakers to 40 hz and turn your subs off see what happens
@@ferdinandgleinser2681 lfe+main is where the bass goes, so to the sub channel + the main speakers. so yes it has everything to do with it. and my lfe is set to 110-120hz because thats the crossover point of the highest crossed over speakers.110-120hz. so the signals below 60hz go to the sub from the tower channels and above go to the speakers. and on the suurounds 120 and below goes to the sub and above to the speakers. all speakers are set to large except for heights which are small. i assure you the bass will play through all speakers. you can tell when you adjust the crossover frequencies. if its set above like 120 the bottom 3 speakers dont function. if set to below that like for exaple 60hz they play the frequencies down to 60hz. there are no frequencies missing. where the speaker crossover point on the processor is splits the signal below to the lfe and above to the amps then speakers. you can even tell a difference in how loud the system goes when set to match what the speakers can actually handle because there is no drop in the curve in the lower frequencies. everything is playing the frequencies they are made to play.
How about other internal settings,audio delay multeq xt32 on or off ,dynamic equipment on or off graphic equipment on or off ,speaker selection all ,left right ,each cinema equipment on or off loudness management on or off ,and compression low,medium,high,or auto thank you 😊
Coming in part two lol
I have a 5.1 system and could add a sixth speaker as a center height (right). Can I set up my Marantz accordingly ? Will it improve my system or should I leave it as 5.1 ?
Did you add the center height channel? Asking because I want to do the same.
@@kazcnepj not yet
hi im currently running a 5.1.4 set up with a dennon avr 4500 amp and I've ran the audssey app but am so confused about all the settings and how to adjust them ? its a minefield of info and I wondered if I send my calibration details to someone the would be kind enough to have a look and help me please
what are you having trouble with?
Not trying to be argumentative as I honestly dont know but, Won't you be losing a lot of bass by setting your sub crossover at 100 compared to 120??
No because everything is routed to a speaker. My speakers will play flat below 60 hz so basically could set it at 60 hz and still not lose any bass
@@techsounds9956 oh ok ...thanks
@@number1pappy no problem, Im always happy to try and explain something further if it helps someone
@@techsounds9956 Thats incorrect, your sub woofer will play all frequencies below what the crossover point for each speaker is set at, however what you are talking about here is the lfe channel. That is a completely separate channel that only has information sent to your sub woofer, by lowering the crossover point you are essentially just eliminating that information and it will not be sent to any other speakers. This setting should be set to at least 120 as recommended by thx standards.
LPF 120 vs 100 ? 120 is the norm, but how about setting it higher ?
depends how big your speakers are. 120 is recommended for basically home theater in a box type setups with very small speakers and single 6" or 8" subwoofer most the time
I read from the audessey boards and audio/video forums that you should never lower the crossover than what audessey made it (which you did in this video). however, it's ok to increase it after what the audessey calibration made it.
Hi man thanks for the comment :) The audyssey sets my speakers at 40hz as default because they are all large and the bass is set to lfe+main and you will see that I raised the crossovers from the preset 40hz up to 60hz did not lower them. thanks. any other questions?
That is what Audyssey says, but it is not always 100% true (call it 90-95% true). Audyssey sets my Sony Core Atmos Modules (atop the core towers) at 150 Hz, but I find it sounds much better at 120 Hz, definitely richer. So while that is a decent rule of thumb, do not be afraid to experiment. Just do not try going much lower than what Audyssey sets them to.
@@techsounds9956 Audysey set some at 150, you lowered to 100..... i think thats what he was getting at. The 100-150 range will not be corrected if you do it this way.
Unless your room is treated looking at a manufacturers chart might not tell the whole story. You need REW and you have to measure the frequency response in your room. You might find the crossover needs to be set higher. Audyssey also only measures one speaker at a time so it’s a bit of a downside. REW will let you play your mains and sub so you can test the crossover integration.
thanks for the advice :) how much is REW maybe i can grab that and do a video on it.
Tech Sounds REW is free. But a good usb microphone will run you $75 -$100 USD. Umik-1 from MiniDsp is a popular one. If you get it from Cross-Spectrum it’s individually calibrated.
Dude, some of that gear is pretty expensive, don’t ya dust Yo ?
Ive dusted a time or two in my day, the days i get the stuff and the days i move the stuff around but other than that not a whole lot lol
Tech Sounds hey, can’t beat a honest reply, respect for that
Great explanation .u've been of immense help.....thank you very much....
You are very welcome :) glad i could help.
Sorry you are wrong. If your speakers -3 db point is around 60Hz, you should set your crossover for that speaker at least to 100Hz. Usually the right crossover is one octave more than your low -.3db point of the speaker. . Remember, the crossover is not a brick wall ! Of course all speakers has to be set to small for the bass management to work, and get the slam from your subwoofer. Good speaker and sub position will minimize the possible subwoofer localization issues and you can get around using higher subwoofer crossover (in this case the 100-120hz) should be the optimum for your mains. Never lower the crossover lower than the audyssey suggest, because there is no filters runnin below the suggested hz.
thanks for the comment. however i disagree. the speakers -3db point on my speakers is somewhere between 40-50hz and that was measured with the crossovers in place on the chart i used so therefore the crossovers in this test are in fact acting as a brick wall where they do not absorb the frequencies running along it. the audyssey sets my speakers to 40hz automatically but i raise the frequence into the flat response. i set the bass to main+lfe because thats how i like it to sound. i listen to a lot of rap and hip hop etc. i had planned to move my subs into the corners to maximize their output but they never get set more than half volume where they are and how they are setup now. However as you pointed out i may in fact be wrong, thanks for pointing that out. very interesting.
Where does this "set one octave higher" rule come from? If the speaker can play clean down to the -3dB point, then why not use the speaker to its full range? (I am assuming there is enough amplifier power to drive it that low). Movie non-LFE channels are full range 20-20k, so why cripple a speaker with a high cutoff? Isnt the digital crossover in most AVRs 4th order (24dB/oct rolloff), that's steep enough to not worry about playing freqs lower than the speaker can do on paper.
@@johnpoo1662 Good points. The crossover typically is 24dB but its best to find the best crossover by measuring to be sure, example UMIK-1 + REW combo. My self for example, i have KEF Q900 front speakers that plays flat to around 40Hz in my room (specs says 32dB I tried 40,60 and 80 and found 80 had the best integration (suprise that was just the "double" up rule 40x2 = 80Hz) I am noticing i can play louder and clearer, the mids and highs are better (lower distortion?) it helps the speaker and amplifier load because subwoofer does more.This of course depends how good subwoofer you have and how high it can play without sounding bad (i have SVS sub) which have clean and flat sound to over 120Hz. Also remember with a 24dB crossover, even with using 80Hz xover, the lower frequencies still bleeds to the main speakers, example 40Hz in my case (24dB lower) that which i measured and know was the "realistic" usable lower range, so below that 20-32Hz range is then 48dB lower which is fine because it would be no use in any way it only adds resonances and load to the amplifier. With a decent subwoofer, its always better to give the max you can for it if you can (without localisation issues). This is always speaker and subwoofer combo specific. Best to measure to be sure :)
@@johto true. Measuring is best if specs are not to be trusted. Right now i don't have a sub due to neighbors, but i still have to tell the AVR i have one so it doesn't send full range to the fronts. Hence my interest in the best sounding crossover setting.
Without a sub preserving as much low frequency content from all 5 channels is the goal!
Hey man good video, but I honestly think you should just set the crossover for all speakers to 80hz and let your subwoofer handle everything below 80hz.
I have Paradigm Studio Reference v4 series speakers and they go lower than the Polks and I set them to 80hz.
Just because a speaker says it can go low doesn't mean it can reproduce low frequencies nearly as good as a dedicated sub.
Just my 2 cents.
I agree, i set mine to 120Hz, all 7 channels and the base from subwoofer is much better. Try 120, 100, 80, 60. The best if someone else does it while you are blindfolded. Then listen to one minute of some movie with effects for each setting. Pick the one you like and v'oilla. This is it. This way you are not biased by numbers in your had.
that works well also. thats usually what i do if i dont have bass running to my front towers, if im just running lfe instead of lfe +main
You do not set the crossover point based on the speakers spec, you base it off of measurements in your room. My room has a 83hz resonance. So it boosts my JBL 590s 20db, 10db with the ports plugged. So I set my crossovers to 100hz to clear that mode. My 4x PB-1000 Pros are calibrated, and do not have the 83hz boost on final output at all 4 seats. So now I don’t have boosted 83hz bass. This is how you’re supposed to choose your crossover point, not by looking at a spec sheet.
Hey buddy please Little help yesterday i connect my prime towers and x4700h receiver stereo system i dosnt finish yet i have to take center sub and surounds.. so the question is i have to make calibration With microphone or because is stereo it doesn't matter? Please little help Buddy 🙏🙏🙏
If you plan to connect more and it sounds good now I'd just wait til u get it all setup if it sounds bad and you won't have the other speakers setup for awhile then sure run the calibration now then with the other speakers once they're hooked up
@@techsounds9956 thank you so much Buddy 🙏🙏🙏 appreciate your unswer and one last question when i close my receiver on a screen says zone 2 on with middle bridness i thought it was on and i try to up down volume to see if its on abd it was close so why it show me this what i have to do? Thank you again 🙃
@@techsounds9956 am one last question buddy i order ultra center channel instead prime center with my prime towers for better center sound you believe i would have problem with front sound of three speaker's in matching or no because if i would have im gonna change it and i took the ultra center because i think its gonna be more clear sound what do you think i must do?
It took me weeks to find out why my right tower speaker was a lot louder than my left. Turns out that audyssey setup put +8db to my right speaker for some reason! Audyssey setup is crap! My 2 cents.
Audyssey can't know what volume you are listening. A good 4" speaker can sound amazing down to 100hz at low/mid volume and crappy at mid/high volume. So if i'd want to get the most out of a certain speaker and i listen to low/mid volume, Audyssey is useless. Tuning the sound by ear is best. Please correct if i'm wrong.
audyssey just doesnt seem to like bass for some reason. i usually just set i up how i do with the subs how it wants them then turn the ubs back up after
So.......you ran Audessey then went and manually overrode the settings? You basically changed all the settings that Audessey set up for you. there are two options Audessey or Manual.
all audyssey really does besides a crappy job at setting up the eq is fix any phasing issues and gets speaker distances. so its useful for that but as for getting any kind of decent sound from.... meh
techs right. all he did is tweek to his preference. you loose out on all the dynamic features in manual tuning.
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I ran audyssey on my marantz sr 6013 ,to my klipsch 280fa klipsch 450c klipsch 600m klipsch 250s and klipsch 150m and two 15 vega subs. Sounded like shit ,everything was dumbed down way too much . It set my center stage to large . Idk I just didn't like audyssey, at all.. but great video for the crossover points
yeah audyssey doesnt like bass for some reason lol takes some tinkering in the setup after the fact to get it to sound right
@@techsounds9956 yea I m just gonna buy a spl meter and try it that way . Hey by any chance i see you a marantz or denon do you no how to set 2nd profile for 2ch stereo I see other people doing it I can not figure it out
@@bric7244 yeah you go into setup, then speakers, then manual setup, then 2ch playback
@@techsounds9956 your the man thank you !
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Great Video. According to all details ( In video and replies ) I'm a bit confused. Can you please explain in SIMPLE WORDS what is : LFE+MAIN or LFE ? Thanks.
Sure lfe+main means subwoofer and main speakers for bass and lfe only means just subwoofer for bass
@@techsounds9956 Thank you. When do I need to use one of these options ? How can I decide what to choose ?
LPF for LFE has to be 120Hz cause otherwise you cut off frequencies above 100 Hz out of the .1 channel from 5.1 or 7.1 sound... LOL
Wrong. My setup is on lfe plus main. And 120 hz doesnt need to go to the subwoofer if you have adequate power and actual decent speakers that can play down below that 120hz mark. Nice try tho ;)
Jk it wasnt even hobbyist level lol
You realize the crossovers on everything are adjustable right lol
LPF FOR LFE should be set to 120Hz. But that is bass management setting. Different than crossover setting for your mains. Set crossover higher, 120, 150hz even for mains, and you will get much bigger, punchier louder low frequency output. Try it to believe it. I had 60hz, than 80hz, but 120hz For Me in My room works best for movies. I went from -10dB level to -20dB level of loudness when i switched crossover from 60Hz to 120Hz.
@@piano8481 I've tried this many times playing around with things. The volume increase is because your not using as much power in your speakers to play bass in them. I never have my system over 40 db usually and it goes to like 96(processor reading not actual levels) or something. I have plenty of headroom in each channel, in the system so volume isnt an issue. If you cut your speakers off that high your basically not using the woofers in the speakers unless they are a 2 way speaker with only tweeters and lows. Every speaker in my system except my atmos heights are 3 way speakers. My 2 way atmos speakers are crossed over at like 120.