Doctor Reacts to Modern Family (Group Therapy Goes Drastically Wrong!)
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This is another DOCTOR REACTS video watching Modern Family. I'm watching Catherine O'Hara or Moira Rose giving group therapy to the family and as you might expect, it goes drastically wrong. I talk about defence mechanisms, regression, Freud, why therapists have you lie on a couch, trauma and much more.
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What I love about Claire and Mitchell is that they both married people who have the qualities of their mom that they love. Even though their relationship with their mom is strained, you can see the whimsy and fun of Carol but with more stability present in Phil and Cam.
Who’s Carol?
@stephenraitt7560 Carol is Claire and Mitchell's mom, and Jay's ex-wife.
Edit: I'm totally wrong. Mitch and Claire's mom's name is DeDe. Still not sure who Carol is. 😅
@@clearlyrebecca I think you’d want to check your facts
between my autism and fear to upset anyone in anyway (especially those close to me) I think group therapy will be a disaster for me
I want to try therapy to help me stop being a people pleaser, but the problem is I want to please the therapist, so when they ask me if something they said makes sense to me or if a method they have me try helped, I want to say yes even though I'm not sure if it does or did. I haven't tried group therapy, but my husband and I did therapy together for grief, and I liked that because he's not a people pleaser, so I was more comfortable being honest than saying what I think the counsellor wants to hear. It also takes the pressure off if others are there sharing their thoughts and feelings, so I think I would like group therapy.
Group therapy can definitely be great. But, in my experience, it is often not supported enough/treated without the proper care, and it leads to harm. I had a therapist force someone with an ED to eat something in front of everyone against their will, just because they were determined to make sure EVERYONE did their dumb mindfulness exercise using food.
Another situation allowed for a very wealthy, shallow woman to talk about how "ugly" and "disgusting" her SH scars were, which made all of the others in the group who engaged in SH to feel horrible and self conscious.
The biggest joke was a family therapy situation with a "Christian therapist," who did not have a degree, the Christian part just allowed them to call themselves a therapist. It was a nightmare, and opened the door for more abuse.
I would love to do family therapy with my siblings now, with a real therapists, but the "christian therapists" did so much damage to them as kids (I made sure I showed no weakness as the oldest), that that will never happen. Especially since the therapists were used for nefarious purposes in the first place.
in my homland and in my second homeland they are done great. can only be done in mental hospital as a part of daily hospital or as a part of program when you are addmitted. i waS part of both multipel times. groups are formed by close diagnosis or problems and people in them are close in age. so 20 year old will not be in group with 40 or 50 year old. complex ptsd war traumas like my will not be treated in same group with people who also have c ptsd but coz of different reason, se** abuse or se** attack victims will be in special groups wich often are anonymus and usualy are gender formed and age formed and therapists are usualy same gender as victims. in my country ater the war they modernised and changed so many things when it comes to mental health that is almost ¨perfect. when i was in my 20ties i was in 2 groups, war caused c ptsp and se* abuse groupe, coz being survivor of ethnic cleansing means you were not abel to avoid the second no matter your gender or age.
family group therapies are always dissaster coz there is always part of family who does not see a problem, will not cooperate and dont understand they are part of problem too. i tried those 2 times and gave up, even my shrink told me there is no use. my dad will not stop drinking, my sister will continue to be delusional and act she was not thru same things i did and my mum will still have church and god in first place neglecting everything else and my brother was broken beyond repair coz he spent almost 2 years in c camp at age of 16. so i realise i am on my own and must fix myself and not rely on anyone else or try to fix relationsip if other side is not willing.. it saved me so much energy...
god that brought back memories of when I had a religious therapist that told me every delusion (big or small) i would have was a "gift from god" ??? I KNOW ????? and he'd always invite my parents back to his office after the session and we'd talk about what we talked about and he'd listen to them scream at me while i sobbed...
he'd "ask" if he could bring them in but he'd do it in front of them so i couldn't say no or else my parents would yell at me... i hate living in small religious towns
@@hellscanary omg from where i come it is forbidden, if you are under 14 they can be present or could have a right to know, but only if therapists thinks it could benefit, if they are part of problem they must inform social service, if you are 15 or older, even your regular doctor is not allowed to tell them anything unless you give permission, therapist is not allowed to tell them or anyone else anything, he is only obligated to transfer you same second to mental hospital if you have delusions, suci* thoughts, agressive thoughts like you gonna harm someone or you confess serious crime.. i cant even imagine this you had to go thru. it is like this in most european countries i lived, only the age is different depending on a country.
@@hellscanary I am so sorry that happened to you... I didn't go through that with therapy, but I did have my parents ask doctors (after they PROMISED to not come in before we went) to "watch" procedures, or even a chiropractor, when I was going to be physically exposed. As a kid, teen, and adult. The doctors, of course, had to ask. But they asked me in front of my parents, and I got "the look," and I knew the answer I had to give.
It is hard to heal from it all, I hope you are on your healing journey 💙
where is the yellow minifigure on the lego rainbow? massively enjoying the video just got a bit distracted looking at your background
Thank you for mentioning it, I was about to.😂
I wasn't sure what you were referring to, but once I saw it, now I can't stop noticing it 😅
He’s using the John
Therapist after you pour your heart out to them. “Have you tried drinking water?” Then gives you a 10K bill
Mine just always repeated my questions back to me until I realized I was doing all the work. "Why do YOU think you do the thing?" Motherfucker, if I knew the answer to that question I wouldn't be coming to the person who claims their credentials give them more insight than I would have. Then I get angry. Then they can suddenly tell me why I do the things I do and what pills to take to not do them.
@@Ahzpayne
Damn, it sounds like you need a new therapist. I mean, repeating your questions aside, instead of them giving you pills to help, shouldn't they try giving you methods to help you?❤
I have always been terrified of group therapy but last year I did a course of group therapy for LGBTQIA+ people recovering from abusive relationships and I found it really powerful. It was a very small group (3 people + 1 facilitator) and I think part of why it worked for me was that I could do the processing after through the homework, and I do better processing alone.
I learn so much from hearing other's challenges. I like it.
Every time I watch your videos I’m thinking “I wish he was my therapist” I swear the things you say blows my mind hahahah
17:17 i relate to this. I dont cry at funerals or around others but i cry alone. My mother tells me i have no feelings or emotions but i do. I just dont want to cry around other people
Yeah I don't even tell other people what I had for lunch, I'm certainly not having my emotional moment in a crowd.
I love Jays speech about his father
I participated in group therapy in college as part of the university counseling program. It was fine and did help me deal with some issues that were bothering me. Having a group of people my own age, sharing their challenges and working out who they were was a good support for me, as I was trying to figure out who I was at that age.
The therapist was fired during my second year in the group. At the time she contacted all of her clients and got them to rally behind her to try and get her job back. In retrospect, that should have been a clue that the university may have had a point. She did not get her job back. Then she asked me to perjure myself, by saying I was with her the day of the move out, in order for her to fight her landlord and get a security deposit back. Yeah, the firing was justified.
I like the fact your point out the diffrence and confusion we get between thoughts and feeling. That also make me think about how often we consider "OUR" logic universel which is so wrong ...
I was in group therapy while in a Psych Facility. I never cared for group therapy. I was not at one session that did not get derailed by someone. Wasting group time rather than enhancing it.
For me I think I would have a harder time in group than just 1-on-1 with my therapist. I constantly doubt and compare myself, thinking I ´can´t really be mentally ill´ because I´m in remission, or I´m doing okay, or because others have it worse. I think that would be even harder with people during therapy I could compare myself to.
In junior year of high school for some reason my school put me in group therapy with a girl i was friends with and a girl i wasn't friends with. At first I didn't like the idea of it at all, and did not want to open up at all (i had really bad social anxiety and the idea that the girl i wasn't friends with would know my personal shit and probably laugh about it with her friends, which happened to be basically all my bullies, terrified me). By the end of the year, all of us ended up opening up about some really serious shit and really helping each other. I talked about things I hadn't even talked about yet with my actual therapist. I also think we ended up scaring the counselor away because i think she was still in the process of getting her masters (hence why she was practicing at a high school), she would always try to have us do stuff like play jenga while talking about really bare bones basic stuff and tried to divert when we started talking about serious stuff, and she didn't come back to the school the next year lol. But regardless of her, just the three of being able to talk about deep stuff was immensely helpful. I don't think the girl I wasn't friends with ever shared anything about what we talked about 'in session', and although we still weren't friends outside of group therapy, I definitely felt more positively towards her. My group therapy experience is definitely not the norm, but i found it to be a positive one anyways lol!
omg yesss more modern family content
I had group therapy once as I had really bad anxiety and depression and my family didn't know how to handle it causing arguments etc. I originally was very excited because I really thought it would work and they would get to understand what its like for me. Unfortunately, my dad (a very old fashioned and stubborn man) Despised the idea, refused to participate and ruined the entire experience, I hate to admit it but part of me still blames him for how long my anxiety went on for. (Yes me and my dad defiantly need therapy)
I FINALLY start therapy Tuesday..........again. I have ADHD and as soon as they hear my bio mom has bi-polar disorder, they will only treat me for bi-polar disorder. I may have bi-polar disorder, but it is not my main issue. I have been on antidepressants and have made me worse, but no one has listened to me. I'm 35 years old. I really hope this experience is better.
I've been in a few different groups. I was fortunate that the therapists were always pretty good at running the group. As a survivor of therapy abuse, I found a trauma therapy group really helpful coming out of that abuse. Others being present made me feel safer. It took me a long time to feel safe in solo therapy again.
ooh, if i may- u should make a video debunking those “ways to boost dopamine/serotonin” things
group therapy was always very scary for me and i avoided it for a long time certain it wasn’t for me but nothing ended up helping me more when i did do it. it made me feel like i was part of a team and i wanted to invest more in my own improvements to help motivate others and vise versa others progress helped keep me motivated
Love group therapy! Both as a facilitator (I’m an LPC) and a participant.
1:54 It’s typical in the US for group therapy sessions to be 90 minutes so multiple pp” can share each session
37 f here. I've been having mental health issues since likely young childhood, but came "into the system" at age 15. I've since had group therapies and single therapies, both gave me good and badexperiences alike. It depends so much on the therapist, the issues the other patients have, the place you are in etc.
At 16, the group was not necessarily bad, but I felt pressured to talk a lot. I mean I get it somehow, but I did not feel ready yet, really hiding my face behind my long hair and staring at the floor. Being forced to look up, talk and make eye-contact was very out of my comfort zone.
Then these last years, I had some stays in a psych ward. The policy there is "everyone has the right to speak or to choose to stay quiet". Seems less strict but definitely feels reassuring to me. Although by now I tend to be more participating (maybe partly because this is a "general" and possibly emergency ward. Meaning for many patients it's their first time in a mental health care environment while I've "seen it all" over the years when it comes to "what is depression?"-etc groups. It's quite different from a specialized long time psychological clinic where you choose to go).
I never had family therapy though. My first psych's (both pulling some bad things) tried it. Since I was only 15 when I first met one, of course it might have been indicated. But my father was out of the picture at that time (we had no contact at all after my parent's divore the year before, for many years) and my mother pretty much blocked it. She thought we should "spare" my older (1,5y) sister the stress of it since I was the one with issues (diagnose of anorexia nervosa and depression as of then). She joined very few times (which the psych charged high extra fees for) and did not take his points seriously anyway. And was like police officer questioning me what I told him, what image I was drawing of her towards him and such after every appointment.
Also some years later she did not even bother to respect a very easy, very specific thing that the mental health professionals (I was in juvenile psych ward against my will) asked of her emphazising that it was "of therapeutical importance" to me. She could not have cared less...
Sorry for digressing.
I've never been to a self-regulating community. Would that even be called "therapy"? Maybe with a professional involved.
i like group therapy because otherwise in my family it's like we're all talking about each other but we don't have input from each other to actually muddle through problems until it's exploding time
as someone with social anxiety i think it would be great but like occasionally to dip ones toes in it and see how it goes, with regular therapy maybe still happening. actually i find all therapy a bit intimidating.
Oof what a big question. My notion for group therapy is "it depends".
Speaking from my own limited experience with group therapy, intellectually I can see how being around other people with similar issues / concerns / etc 'could' be useful as it gives a sense of "It's not just me" and you get to hear different ways of thinking........ However I would say it's Soooo easy for group therapy to get derailed by 1 person.
To be clear I'm not suggesting that individual would be doing so maliciously or deliberately (although there will always be people that like to be on the outside pissing in). But I can definitely think of occasions where I broke the therapists plans for a session because I didn't understand what they were trying to achieve or it just didn't make sense.
For me personally, solo therapy has worked much better but everyone's different and there isn't a right or wrong answer, you just have to find what works for you.
Hi, Doctor Elliot! Really love your insightful reaction videos! I would love to see you react to Fleabag next! There's a therapy scene in S2 that I would love to hear your thoughts on!
I was scared of group therapy before i went for DBT, because movies and tv shows make it seem so awkward and weird. But for me it was nice to have that support system of us all going through it. Yes some patients were a little.. scary😅 but overall good experience❤
I have avoided group therapy for 15-ish years. It's too awkward, and I don't trust my family to tell the truth. I'm not strong enough to fight them on the facts, I'd just fold. So, whenever group therapy is brought up, it's a hard no for me.
(I do remember one time I had therapy with my mom and I told her something about a trauma that involved her that I had never told her, and she started yelling at me, calling me a liar and I made it. My therapist interjected and said I hadn't, and that I told her that bit if the indecent right from the beginning, a year ago...So yea)
*Edit*
I completely forgot I've done a tone of IOPs. They were wonderful. Scary at first, but once you get to know people you can really share. Doing projects and getting to share and get feedback is awesome. It's just a great experience. After 6-8 weeks I usually don't want it to end.
In my argentine experience, sessions are one hour usually. They charge for the hour not for 50 mnts(here)
I love when Mitch sounds like chewbacca
I experienced group therapy only in one time of my life. I was in an outpatient CBT group therapy class for 10 weeks. I found useful what the psychologist said and the activities she gave me to do but I actually found the whole group therapy thing to be quite counterproductive. We would start the session by going around the room and asking everybody to talk about how they had been mentally in the last week, you would get people who are willing to open up, you would get people who found it too hard to open up in that session which is fine, and then you would get people who would just start talking about what shopping trips they had been on and what they had been watching on TV, even though they knew and we knew and the psychologist knew that that wasn’t the question, and I found it to be disrespectful, a waste of everybody’s time and money and frankly it made me more annoyed and irritable than the depression was already making me. If you don’t want to be there, don’t be there.
I love the last bit of that episode lol
i did group DBT for months and it was AWFUL! the therapist just made us all feel like shit if we didn't wanna talk so she'd always call on me to talk because I was the only one who would.... made me hate going... it really does depend on the therapist tho i think
she made some weird comments about feelings and kinda condemning people for feeling less when one of the guys had antisocial personality disorder ??? it was wild
im gonna have to try a different group soon because that didn't help at all
I go to one and one I think it is better as if you are uncomfortable talking In front of more than one person
My therapist always goes to an hour and often over that. She let's be go on and on and we book at the end of her day. I feel guilty but she says it's all good 😢
Recommendation: the family therapy episode from Succession
Never had group therapy, but if it's anything like a group interview, I don't wanna (jks).
Thoughts =/= feelings is something I understand really well by now, but I still catch myself with it. I think it's because as humans, our brains like heuristics even if they're not useful or working, and this is one of the most intimate heuristics our brains have. Also, sometimes I just have to have that mini meltdown, and then process afterwards, because otherwise I sometimes overshoot and intellectualise everything, which can be just as unhelpful. I don't know if that's relatable to anyone else, but I hope it at least makes sense?
I love this account so much.
Dr, I just fell on You're your channel this evening I am always grateful to find a psychiatrist that possibly understands someone like me who has severe complex PTSD and very very agonizing treatment resistant depression I also am dealing with chronic illness and I've been calling the unaliving hotline every day. I can't use the word with an S because CZcams doesn't like it.
IT'S NOT THAT I WANT TO DIE, IT'S THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LIVE LIKE THIS.
Can you refer me to a video you made on COMPLEX PTSD and what it's like to live with it? I am now 66 years old and things are much worse because now it's so hard to regulate emotions that I have very strong meltdowns and I don't understand it. Thank you so very much.
Thank you
lol, this was one of my favourite episodes, first thought i had this will go wrong.. therapies with family never goes in good direction (at least nt at first), knowing that from experience...btw isnt the therapist moira from sch*** creek? ¨in my homeland it depends where, why and to who you go to therapy. group ones are usualy or part of hospital healing or daily hospital, i went to both multipel times. daily ones last 2 and half hours, but are made of more than one therapist, each spends 30 minutes to 45 minutes with group and each day we have different ones( same ones thru week, they just change eery day but they are same for whol 3 months). it lasts 3 months 5 days a week, you can ask to leave any time and you will get the sign off paper. we have shrinks, pharmacologist, social workers, working therapists etc. each have different role workin with us. also dependes about diagnosis and age group how they assigne therapists. we have 15 to 30 minutes break. war causd c ptsd patients are separate group from other causes of c ptsd patients. se** abuse or assult trauma patiens are often aononimus at first and are group for themselves made of same gender and have profesionals working with them who are of same gender as patiens, thru time it changes, it is easer for first time comers that way or for teens or young.
groups are also made by simmilar diagnosis and are age close. if you are addmitted you cant leave when you want, you are stuck until they decide you are good to go. so your day is actually very strict and structural from 7 in the morning till 15 in the afernoon, rest of time till 21h is your free time. depending on your behaviour or diagnosis you are allowed or not to leave the building or to leave or not the hospital perimetar outside of hospital. if you are allowed to go out, you mu be back in building and in yuour room by1 18. at 21 lights are out...
in my second homeland where i spent most of my developing years when came as refugee things are similar but diffrent. no sure how it is today, had no need to go there for help, coz system in my homeland for my diagnosis is way better organised. probably coz everyone who survived 90ties suffer from some form of ptsd. but in iceland i got first help and they set someground and helped me a lot to understand what is happenin to me, gave me some guidelines and meds for start..
while watching, my eyes were looking on the missing yellow lego figure behind you.
The problem i have with group therapy is that it's overused. I know it can be helpful to some people, but it's not for everyone.
Don't know how it's in other places, but here if you enter a mental hospital, group therapy is basically one of the things you get assigned to by default.
For me group therapy doesn't work at all. Noise and stress are things that affect me a lot. Like a group therapy session can be enough for me to trigger hallucinations and delusions, mental fatigue, paranoia and more.
That's also why the waiting room is a big issue for me when visiting my therapist. Just those few minutes waiting in the waiting room is enough to mentally drain me so much that i basically can't concentrate on anything in the therapy.
I’m not even mad that being a hot doctor online is a career now
I'm sure your queue is very, very full, but I am now absolutely dying for your take on the family therapy episode of *Succession.*
Where is the YELLOW GUY from your RAINBOW LEGO SET. Dr? :)
About the drawer theory - I rather stick with how it works in Inside Out and Inside Out 2
I think group therapy would work if everybody had the same issues like substance abuse etc. Otherwise IDK how existing heirarchies wouldn't just dominate but maybe outside of families but families are almost always highly abusive and manipulative
Would you consider taking up baby reindeer again? Those videos were some of the best reactions you have ever done
I have all thoughts. No feelings.
Sad but true.
Group thereapy is more realistic, especially when you are able to address issues with a person as they arise in the group ... solo therapy in conjunction with group is awesome however solo therapy is too self indulgent and myopic in my opinion
The beginning was funny about representing a community. I had to explain to my WASP husband when he does something foolish, they'll just think he's nuts, but if I do something foolish, my entire ethnicity (Puerto Rican and probably other Latinos) will be labeled nuts. Of course, this happens to everyone, but since he's part of the majority, it didn't seem like he was aware of this, even though he's gay.
Whats wrong with Huberman? i don't follow his socials but on his podcast he always goes into detail and doesn't make ridiculous claims.
Group therapy I have found helpful. I haven’t found family therapy to be very helpful though, maybe because I was actively being abused by my stepbrother while we were undergoing family therapy.
Good video. Can you please review Psychonauts 2. Day 2
I think group therapy is potentially helpful but also quite overwhelming
Can you react to Aoi Bungako: No Longer Human? It's a four-episode adaptation of Dazai Osamu's novel No Longer Human.
Please Mr and Mrs Smith therapy episode
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Can you please please react to "Baby Reindeer". I am really curious about your opinion.
he did and chose to bring down the videos, check lower down on the community tab.
@@woodpigeonsong thank you! :)
Group therapy? You want me to arm the enemy and provide the location of all my structural weaknesses in one hour increments? When no one grows (and when do they ever?) they now have emotional warheads exponentially more destructive than their previous armaments. And those were strong enough to bring everyone to therapy. Hard pass on group therapy.
Group therapy is cruel and unusual and should be banned.
Is that...Gottmik???
Was enjoying your videos until I caught the picture in the back that calls for the cruel massacre and annihilation of myself and my people. Not really the atmosphere to watch a "therapeutic" video.
I can tell myself you might not mean that (although I'm certainly not sure) but watching this video while constantly seeing that is just.. I can't even define it in words.
I'm sure you and others are going to respond with a blizzard of lies and gaslighting. Save it. You can't gaslight someone who has and is experiencing these things themselves.
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Yet again, you state that thoughts are not facts - you need to be more qualifying here about what you mean.. Sure, these can be inferences and filtered through the various down-to-top CBT layers (core beliefs, Underlying Assumptions, Compensatory strategies to avoid activating the core belief, NAT - leading to emotional, behavioural and physical reactions,. Also, of course, cognitive distortions. But there are plenty of interpersonal thought reactions about other's opinions, which on questioning are "true" in the sense they own them, and others also do. However, You have been more recently psychodynamic in commentary and observations, which originating from a a psychiatrist is all good stuff - as in my day, they were non-existent. I'm that old. By the way - dismissive of dream meanings - totally right to be sceptical, even dismissive. But just please read Dr Phil Mollon's little book on "The Unconcious" Icon Books, 2000 (Sure, it is 24 years old, but may persuade you not to hold such a rigid view - you are not fully correct.