Hear tense exchange with Justice Alito during abortion arguments
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- During a Supreme Court hearing on Idaho abortion law, Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar and Justice Samuel Alito clashed over fetal protections under federal law EMTALA. Prelogar argues women deserve necessary medical care, challenging Alito's focus on "unborn child" protections. #CNN #News
Stupid Alito argument.The unborn child does not exist without the woman. If the woman's life is at risk, the medical focus is on her. End of conversation.
Seriously, Alito is no Sherlock.
Let him disappear in History with the same reputation as the Spanish Inquisition...
agreed. He's being a dick!!
He sounds like a complete idiot, the lawyer on the other hand sounds EXTREMELY SMART❤
I agree. This man doesn't understand reality because he lives in some "perfect world": that only exists is in fantasy land.
THE SUPREME COURT MUST BE TELEVISED. This ain't 1783!
Audio is available!!
Two treatises by Sir Matthew Hale mentioned nothing of televising court proceedings. The Constitution did not either. Thus Alito would disagree.
THEN GO CHANGE THE LAWS, WE'LL WAIT 🤔😏😅😂
If Republicans had their way this would be 783
Alito would disagree with you on the date.
Alito is completely out of touch with most Americans.
Alito needs another Fishing Trip ... he will rule as he is told to.
Alito is a sick lying pos just like clearance Thomas
Sadly not enough though. There's too many ignoramuses in this country these days.
He is a disgrace and needs to be removed
You must live in a bubble.
Wow that female attorney I applaud 👏 her great job standing up against Supreme Court Justice
That is our Solicitor General, and she is AMAZING. Owns him on the regular, but he just keeps wading back in..
The solicitor general did a good job standing up to Alito and standing her ground.
Yep she was clear and precise, greatest thing a solicitor general can be
Alito still won though
@@YankeeDoodle2nah. He humiliated himself.
@@YankeeDoodle2, she schooled him.
SHE is EXCELLENT
He's arguing that women shouldn't have emergency treatment due to the phrase "unborn child". Disgusting.
Which one is an actual US citizen with a valid SSN?
"Unborn child" or a US citizen who has held a SSN for years.
"Unborn child" has just as much rights in the US as a Mexican that just crossed the border.
FACTS!
Their World View is based on Human Potential ... more potential = more rights ... if you're 77 years old, you should have fewer rights than a 6wk old fetus. Unfortunately for THEM... we live in America with a US Constitution that grants EQUAL RIGHTS, regardless of potential.
They should have used "clump of cells" instead.
Worse, he's arguing that no one is arguing that, even though that's exactly what Idaho is arguing.
@@ericbrosofske6733
Or that a pregnant woman has a right to life when her pregnancy threatens it.
Good for that female lawyer for standing her ground and not letting alito speak over her or speak down to her.
WHY DO THEY HAVE THESE MEN WHO ARE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS JUDGING WHEN A WOMAN OR HER DOCTOR SHOULD TERMINATE A PREGNANCY. ALSO FOLLOWING LAWS WHICH IS OUT DATED.
Wow… Alito’s genuinely unable to follow the arguments presented
I think he follows: it's just that he has an absurd position and CAN'T acknowledge it. "Sending it to the states" was supposedly going to be so great for the country -- yet, each of these ridiculous state laws is showing how flawed sending it to the states was. The same thing happened with the Voting Rights Act. They voted that racism was over and that provisions of the Voting Rights Act were no longer necessary. What followed was chaos, with (Southern) states rushing to gerrymander and set up restrictive laws to disenfranchise black people. They will never admit that they were wrong: they'll just pretend they don't see all the problems their rulings have caused.
He is dense, or simply not trying to understand.
@@kevinb3812 Dense is the right word. Alito and 3 others on the court are pawns and shouldn't be there. The blame falls on those who corruptly appointed them to further a political agenda. Unless we can find a way to give power to people who are willing to work for the American people rather than themselves, we are screwed.
Alito is infuriating. That he wants to inject himself into the room with every woman and her doctor is absolutely disgusting.
Alito takes it too far, but your underlying premise of no state restrictions on abortion is problematic for 70-80 per cent of people, based on polling.
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067We all would rather this conversation happen between medical professionals and their patients. We don't actually want our local shopkeeper, politician, or judge with no medical training or quite frankly any "skin in the game" on the outcome of a pregnancy, to tell our US residents what to do. That is government overreach.
@@KateWitt I disagree. I'm glad we all get a say in abortion based on how we vote. Only Vermont, Oregon, Washington DC, New Mexico, New Jersey, Colorado and Alaska place zero limits on abortion. I don't find that appropriate and most voters in the other states don't, either. But I respect that we can agree to disagree.
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067 the only people who should have a voice on an abortion is the woman & her doctor. It's private, personal, & should not be up for a vote or for adjudication, or legislation.
MYOB
@@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067
Well, if you think "zero limits on abortion" is aborting a 9 month, full term, healthy baby coming down the birth canal as zero limits, that's on you.
How are you that gullible to believe that that is what zero limits means or that any sane woman, doctor or hospital would participate in anything like that or that there are tens of thousands of women actually doing that in these states????
There is no such thing as "zero limits," first of all. There are limits. It's illegal to abort healthy babies at 9 months. What you're referring to is late term abortions. That only happens when the baby is dead or dying in the womb or the baby is too malformed to sustain life or the life of the mother is at risk.
Do you live on planet earth???? Are you familiar at all or had any education in human reproduction or googled it???? Do you have human logic and reason???? Have you ever met or spoken to a woman???? Geez!!!!
I live in northern idaho. The laws are so messed up now there are no OBGYN doctors in my out small town. Doctors are afraid of lawsuits because all the legislation is so unclear. It’s a sad day for women and their health+
She went to toe to toe with him, and I’m here for it! ❤
You know he leaked the decision on roe. He is despicable.
Look into his eyes. He has a demon in him.
What does an old man know about pregnancy.
During my 8th month, I started spotting blood. I was hospitalized in the base hospital on Nellis AFB Las Vegas. When I went to the bathroom, my water broke, and it was 7 weeks early.
The Base Hospital was not set up for premeture babies.
I was transferred to a downtown hospital and placed under a neonatal specialist.
My son was breech and had not decided on the birth canal.
He was at risk of infection and they worried that his lungs were not developed enough for him to breathe on his own. I was at risk for infection because of my son.
For five days I was pumped full of steroids to mature my sons lungs.
I had a C section.
We were lucky there were babies in the NICU that had not been so lucky.
And mothers who had not been.
Men should not have a say in situations that they can't be exposed to themselves.
“Nobody is arguing the woman isn’t an individual and she doesn’t deserve stabilization.”
Alito doesn’t understand the basic consequences of these laws. Are we supposed to respect these “justices” and their ineptitude? These are the lifetime rulers of our country??
So Alito can't wrap his head around the concept that if the mother dies then the unborn child dies as well.
Perhaps he needs a little lesson in how time works.
Since when did these Judges have enough medical training to make an EDUCATED decision about a patients health? How about leaving healthcare to the patient and the doctor.
The crazy thing is they don't even seem concerned about their lack of knowledge and just rule anyway....
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They think they are an expert on everything.
@lionel3469 ~ Practicing medicine without a license, is what the conservative judges are doing.
I'm sure if one of *THEIR* loved ones needed an abortion due to a medical problem, they'd move heaven and earth to find a way to get her to another country for a safe abortion.
Alito is totally wrong in his interpretation of the statute. He is a monster and his premise is false!
He is so full of himself and so biased, nothing even handed about that Theocratic Fascist.
Well, I don't know about the "premise", but Alito IS a monster! Period.
true.
for both
He's not wrong according to Catholic doctrine. In their view, the baby is worth more than the mother
@@maplebones Jo Biden disagrees. And so do many Catholics who can see themselves as devout, by adhering to churches rules as the best practices, without condeming themselves under the antiquated Idea that Priests are the arbiters of their spirituality.
What a force to reckon with arguing sharply with Justice Alito. Go girl.
Alito is absolutely advocating from the BENCH!!
Alito is demonstrating his total ignorance of medicine. If the fetus is sufficiently developed to survive outside the womb, and the pregnancy is threatening the health/life of the woman, they induce labor and the newborn goes to the NICU for treatment. If the fetus is not sufficiently developed to survive, and the woman's health/life is threatened, then yeah, she's going to have to have an abortion to keep her alive and perhaps able to try again. This happens all the time. But Alito's so ignorant he just wants to try to find some legal hairsplitting to outlaw abortion under all circumstances.
Baby not fetus wretch
Well stated and sensible.
You said it so well! Thanks.
He doesn't care about medicine. Alito believes that unborn babies have more rights than anyone.
@@YankeeDoodle2it is objectively a fetus
Abortion ban is not about babies, it’s about controlling women.
In virtually every abortion a baby dies. How is that not about babies ?
They also want unwanted pregnancies to trap poor people in a cycle of poverty, and they want more vulnerable kids to abuse and imprison to keep the prison slave complex going.
Of course. We aren't fools.
That’s your privilege talking.
@@Hcfungfuikbgdhhhwhy? It’s not a privilege to have one’s rights suppressed under a wanna be conservative theocracy. Millions of women around the world know all about that, someone has to keep holding the ground or these nasty men (and some nasty women) will control everything and everyone. Is t this how Western women are supposed to use our privilege? Fighting for equal right?
Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar is a great litigator. I love that she is fighting for our basic rights!!
The POTENTIAL viability of a fetus should NEVER come before the ACTUAL viability of the woman!!!
This is a no brainer!! Leave it up to the woman and her doctor!!!!
I will never understand why men feel like they should have a say so about this subject
Rare safe and legal
Agreed, but Republican males love to tell everyone else what to do, even when they have no part in it.
@@theoriginalCoCoSmith Because half the babies that are aborted are male
@@theoriginalCoCoSmith Pew research polls show that the majority of women want reasonable restrictions on abortion. Maybe Take up your issues with the millions of pro-life women?
Alito’s misogyny is not rare, safe and ethical for women.
All courts should be televised.
When arguing a case a justice has to be willing to hear the case. This dude is hearing voices in his head on a loop. Same words round and round.
His donors
Wow! The solicitor wiped the floor; She even scoffed at his outrageous utterances. Weird and shameful for a supreme court justice.
Yeah that pride in killing children is not going to win her case in the Supreme court.
She was extremely sharp and countered everything that Alito was saying. I'm glad she confronted him. We already know his vote anyway so why hold back?
She did the same was it last week? In regard to the Jan 6th rioters, and she was just as sharp then. Alito couldn't focus then either, so I'm sure Alito will find a way to force his narrative here, too
A fetus is not a child.
@@nomorebushz it sure is Buddy.
No one seems to speak for children already in families who will LOSE their mothers to unsafe deliveries. Don’t motherless kids get a voice?
I know! Like women are just vessels for babies.
Well done Ms. Prelogar! You represented women well. You didn’t get distracted by erroneous statements made by the judge, and kept the conversation on track. The idea that doctors aren’t allowed to save the woman’s life and/or health during pregnancy is a draconian interpretation of the law and unacceptable.
The hospital has a duty to the unborn child, but not to the woman. This justice is so stupid.
to a zygote, according to this misogynistic dinasaur.
There is no such thing as an "unborn child."
Correct in this case the term is "fetus" @@leonardodalongisland
Well, the fetus might be male. That's really what all this BS is about.
If that "unborn child " is an individual, way can we not give it a social, name, claim on the taxes, insurance, child support, etc?
A individual needs to be born first to be considered alive, in my opinion.
Alito makes my blood boil!
Let's see if he has to go back to the 15th century again to justify his ignorance of women's reproductive health. Also keep in mind that these IDOT RIGHTIES are not interested in the health of the baby or they would not keep voting down assistance for the mothers and children they are forcing to give birth. The American ANTI ABORTION MOVEMENT is also rooted in good old WHITE SUPERITORITY. They want every white pregnancy to carry to term to maintain a WHITE MAJORITY and every BROWN baby be born to make sure that mother does not compete with a WHITE WOMAND for education or a job.
He's trying to skirt the reversal of Roe. If they rule in any way that favors women's rights they'd essentially reinstate Roe, it'd otherwise be discrimination.
So better take a cold shower. It ain’t gonna stop
Alito is a liar.
Vote blue for all this nonsense to end
When your whole argument boils down to semantics, you have no argument.
Agree!
7:13 Clearly, Attorney Prelogar does NOT suffer fools. Especially, a fool in a SCOTUS robe. 😂 I love it!
You’re listening to a man who made his mind up long ago , and isn’t going to change them.Whatever the merits of her arguments , he has already dismissed them.
He's a good man
@@YankeeDoodle2 But a rotten judge
I bet he would change his mind, if the price is right!!!
@@YankeeDoodle2No, he's not!!
He is bought and corrupt.
I am convinced that no woman has ever said, " I hope I get pregnant, so I can have an abortion."
ENOUGH SAID!
Or have an abortion in the 9th month!! How ridiculous!!!
@@stephaniebrooks8044 Satanists do, and in NY where full term abortion is legal, you don't even need a doctor to preform it. Abortion is part of their rituals. They used these exact facts in their legal argument against one of the states.
@@stephaniebrooks8044Which law gives that right when the mother is not in danger?. Glad though you agree abortion is the women's right before nine months then
What about "if I get pregnant, I'll just get an abortion"
@martinhumble That's when her,her partner, and their doctor would make that decision. Not a Judge!!
Just when you thought Thomas was the most detestable justice on the Supreme Court, here comes Alito making his case for that position.
This is crazy. He has not been to medical school. So he is making a judgment from a phrase instead of somebody health , between life and death 😮wow
She could talk ALL DAY and there's no way that alito is going to listen to her. Republican justices are f'n crazy. EXPAND THE COURT!!!
How about replace the court with people voting them in? Plus term limits. How do we not have a say? It’s crazy
The women turn on their own and elected trump. The got what they deserved. Try staying loyal this time or your vote is next.
He's so self righteous and dismissive!!!!
@@stephaniebrooks8044 Arrogant and whiny, maybe the most annoying combo. He's got the persecution complex, convinced that Christianity is under attack and conservatism is under attack and blah blah -- meanwhile he sits on his throne, crowing about being accountable to no one, while handing down death sentences to those who aren't like him. And when he's criticized, he pens whiny op-eds, because how DARE we.
@@shanaralls157 Absolutely!! Out of his lane!! U can feel his hatred for women! It's palpable!!
This monster has no business judging others. His morality is plainly inferior.
nope. you can go to hell
He's a judge, bozo. His business is literally to judge. cry harder
@@BeyondTheRubiconwas it necessary to call names? This is why people don't take y'all serious.
Abortion is inhumane. Women who don't want to get pregnant use birth control.
@@aureliusleslie173 The original commenter called him a "monster." I'd argue that "monster" is a worse name than "bozo" but you're right, it wasn't productive to call names. I wish we could ALL do better and discuss things civilly, without assuming malicious intent in others. I actually am a former liberal, now I'm quite conservative, but still hold close friendships with people from both sides of the aisle, and it is possible to disagree civilly, which I should have.
Speaking from personal experience, an ectopic pregnancy is a perfect example of where a woman should be permitted and able to get an abortion prior to the point where the fetus grows so large in her fallopian tube that it explodes and she is in danger of bleeding to death very quickly. Doctors can see within an ultrasound or other tests that the fetus is growing in the tube and not implanting in the uterus. But if the law says she can only have an abortion abortion if her life is threatened, then that law will require her to wait a matter of weeks perhapsand go through a great deal of pain before that tube bursts and her life is in danger in a matter of minutes to an hour from loss of blood.
Also, a molar pregnancy which is not a viable embryo but will kill the mother if any cells are left on the body.
This should never be a decision decided by a court. This decision should only be between the woman and her Dr,
Absolutely!!
ALITO SHOULD RETIRE!!! ALITO SHOULD RETIRE!!! ALITO SHOULD RETIRE!!
I’d settle for impeached.
Deportation.
@@docraineyiii8789there’s a lot I’d settle for…
Yeah that's too nice. Be a little harsher.
Alito should be removed. This should be an option. The Supreme Court is the only government entity without any checks and balances imposed from without. As we can clearly see from the likes of Alito and Thomas, this needs to change.
Please reform this Court
All that Money the Retrumplicans Have wasted to removed the rights from women is unbelievable. How can people vote for Them ?
Hundredth
100%
I agree. Call ours representatives on repeat and VOTE BLUE ON EVERY ISSUE.
Far-right, self-righteous fascists need put in their place. Out of the courts and out of Congress.
+ 4 years service and 2 term limit.
+ Give voters the right to vote them in/out and block nominated judges.
Even though a fetus has a heart beat it doesn't have brain activity and thoughts? If a person gets into a accident and the heart is still beating but there is no brain activity or thoughts the family has the right to pull the plug on that person. Thats their right no matter how hard it would be.
Samuel Alito seems to think that he is a Supreme Being, rather than a member of the Supreme Court. He is a woeful person to have such power.
Term limits for the Supremes!
Nope.
And stop calling them ‘supremes’ - they are everything but.
@@RP-ue9wyYes, coward.
YEP. And let us vote on them.
TELL THAT TO CONGRESS & THEY AIN'T ON CZcams RIGHT NOW 😂😅😂
This is horrifying -- the government actually has to defend a woman’s right to life and choice. Shame on alito - shame on all the gop for every single life lost
The lives of women are not under any threats
@wankeeyankee blatant lie
@@YankeeDoodle2 literally every fucking day
People listen to these ignorant newscasters pushing their agenda. No one is going to kill a woman and it is a very very rare incidents a woman's life is in danger. Fight for your baby.
@@YankeeDoodle2 WHERE THE F HAVE YOU BEEN?
It is absolutely insane what women/families are having to go through all because Republicans and the Supreme court felt that the government should make these medical decisions rather than a women and her doctors.
Might as well call the fetus an "unborn adult."
Alito's proposition is absurd. If the woman dies because the doctor cannot safely decide whether the the mother's life is of greater legal "worth" than that of the foetus, then the foetus will die anyway. How does Alito suggest the foetus be kept viable after the mother dies?
It doesn’t matter because penis.
he doesn't care (if foetus dies ... if the mother dies ... if YOU die ...)
you're assuming Alito cares.
that's a faulty premise.
(same with thomas. same with gorsuch.)
well he dosen't care about either the woman or the child, I'm sure if a law was made that men had get their testicles cut off to save a woman from getting pregnant and putting her life in danger, this whole argument would stop and women would get the right to medical care when needed.
It's "fetus", not fe-O-tus. Leave the "o" out.
@@christybultsma7900 since you are not well versed in spellings IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES ..FOETUS is CORRECT SPELLING.
Alito is so disingenuous. It’s disgusting.
He's an ignorant, sexist zealot denying US citizens their rights by forcing his primitive religion on us.
Might I suggest a paper bag like they have them on Airplanes? I sure have several next to my computer when watching these things :-) Or news recently.
Yep. He knows the argument is idiotic rather than clever or ingenious.
Pretty sad in the 21st century that this 19th century person has to check with his pope for guidance. How long will America allow this dog and pony show to continue?
He's corrupt, takes bribes.
So in essence Alito is saying, it's "illegal" to terminate a non-viable pregnancy that threatens the mother's life but it's A-OK for the mother to die in a vain attempt to protect a pregnancy that's not viable. The woman's life, the woman's health is unimportant. It's a total embarrassment that Alito is actually a Supreme Court justice making such a moronic argument. It's no wonder why the US Supreme Court has lost so much creditably and respect. A ridiculous precedent, is still ridiculous whether it's 1824 or 2024.
non fatal medical emergency??? Like ORGAN FAILURE OR INFERTILITY???? jeez louise
Alito's condescension is palpable and the Federal Government's lawyer did a great job of slapping that foolishness down.
Alito is a shame not only for SCOTUS but for human race
TERM LIMITS FOR THE SUPREME COURT!!!!!
Go further, full ethic codes they have to contractually sign and they are elected by the people, not appointed.
That lawyer is good, she stood her ground, was not intimidated, and was very well spoken.
Justice Alito just wants to harm women. Period.
AGREE!!! What a dinosaur man.
He definitely has some hate in his heart for women!! U can feel it!!!!
The Solicitor General did an outstanding job making the case.
Too bad it's all going into deaf ears.
She’s a very good orator. She also argued the Dobbes case but unfortunately lost.
I believe the choices need to be given to the women and their loved ones. If the mother dies with 4 living children who chooses? A doctor takes care of the family health not the laws.
A child, by definition, has been born. The term "unborn child" is an oxymoron.
Yep, Reagan and the Repubs planned that specific language back then. They’ve been trying to overturn women’s rights for decades.
The level of misogyny in these arguments. If a woman becomes pregnant she is immediately a second class citizen to a fetus/unborn child. It's just another way for men to covertly control women as if they care about the unborn. Give people proper and affordable health care and then I'll believe your sentiments about an unborn child. This is disturbing.
The way these men spoke about our bodies and what we go through to become mothers was so disgraceful! They don’t even know how a woman’s body works let alone what we need in emergency care! They actually think women are having abortions because of a mental health crisis, and that just does not happen! Absolutely deplorable🤬🤮🤬
The living breathing women's life and health is more important than a fetus that may or may not become a baby. If mother and fetus were both healthy she wouldn't be there at the hospital in first place.
Apparently these few Justices think they have the power to decide if a women gets to live or die. They should be held directly accountable.
An "unborn child" before viability is an extension of the woman, not separate. Arguing to save a non-viable being when its host is dying is absurd.
Well said ❤
So women are not just the property of a male, and ward of the state, they are also under the complete authority of an unborn child regardless of the child’s own viability. 🙄
It goes back to male property. That fetus is half the man’s property and by extension gets all the rights and privileges of the father. It’s why they give these babies so much protections, superseding the woman, even though there are already laws that protect the medical autonomy of a person with respect to their organs.
That child could be male, it's obviously more important if it is.
Yep. We are just incubators. Once pregnant we are no longer humans and do not deserve the same rights as a man and an "unborn child". They are more important. At least that is how I feel.
DATZ WHAT WHITE MASSA SAYS 😂
So it seems!
Considering that Alito cited an 18th or 17th "witch" killer when overturning Roe v Wade, and considering witches were said to prove their innocence by actually dying, the Idaho law is fitting. If the woman truly needs an abortion to save her life, she can prove it by dying.
(Oh and check out the propublica article on idaho: they even refused a federal grant to study why matetnal mortality)
Since when did they start calling a fetus an unborn child?
Because it is. Fetus is Latin for small child
@@LyonKing779lol wrong
Women's health and rights are not a priority in this country. After all the years of my life, to see this happening now is just sickening to me.
The fact that primacy of the pregnant woman's rights is in question is WILD to me. The US has some very unfathomable policy positions.
Alito has already decided he wants a national ban and here is just trying to come up with his justification. Spoiler alert... He is going to side with an unborn mass of cells of a living being because he HATES WOMEN at his core.
Vote Republican to put this country in REVERSE.
Well, you can thank whyte yeah women for their wonderful performance in ushering DJT into the White House.
I don’t wanna hear any whining now from women of no color.
Bluntly it’s because we’ve been living by patriarchal dominant society/constitution. Look at all the issues from women’s rights, lgbtq, immigrants, racism, gun violence. It’s all looted to me like this conservative judge that will never truly emphasize because he is viewing it from his preservative and portion position. The other problem is that too many women end up falling into their husband’s patriarchal demands. Anti-abortion/anti-women’s rights is taught mostly by parent and church. No one is born that vigilant about someone else’s rights to their body And medical choices. That invasive approach has always been conservative aka CONSERVE dominance and outdated monopolies .
Trying to rule over women will be the GOP's downfall. 😂😂
sure will and hopefully these trump judges will be impeached
If it was happening, but it is not happening.
We can only hope...
@@user-fs9hg8dz6z only hope what? That Republicans are trying to rule over women's bodies? No that is not happening, they placing laws into affect that save the Lives of those children you carelessly want to murder.
Republican women are the only reason the GOP still lives. They must want to be subjugated or enjoy feeling like a possession. The bible and social pressures tells them to shut up and color using only red.
Here is something that Alitio doesn’t seem to get. Without a healthy stable LIVE pregnant Woman, there is NO unborn Child!!
Im pro choice. All day long. I don’t think Government should be the entity that decides when abortion is appropriate? A woman and her doctor should be the decider. However, if a mother is severely injured in a car crash and dies, a developed fetus can and often does survive and can be born. So, an unborn child can come out of a DEAD woman. Also….what is a woman? That’s a sanity test.
This is the typical problem with the complete and utter antithetical argument that Alito makes. He assumes, the ability of the medical doctor to make a decision that he himself is unable to make but only argues chicken and egg law circles. Alito, alone, shows in his argument that fallacy of his stance. How can a doctor make a judgment when the supreme justice of the nation cannot decide who has priority. The alive woman citizen is in every single case the primary and uttermost holder of ALL rights to life. There can be no doubt that any decision no matter how small or faulty that saves the alive citizen's life is just. It is without any recourse or of any issue of any other action by a medical team. The medical team in a decision here is considered totally infallible and can never be questioned or otherwise legally doubted. Stop Legal Mobo Jumbo and side stepping the protection of the alive woman!
This is absolutely unbelievable. I cannot believe, in 2024, women STILL have to fight for basic medical care/rights. Religion doesn't get to decide what I do with my body and what's inside it.
You can’t force someone to remain pregnant against their will.
In Alito’s interpretation, they absolutely can.
Obviously, you can.
@@mattgrimmer9909 And let's consider how that plays out irl and those implications on society. Is that ideal?
The MAGA-GOP absolutely wants it that way. They even want to deny birth control methods if they can gain enough power to do so. We MUST stop and reverse this travesty. They lied in their Senate hearings when they said Roe was established law. They lied so they could grant minority conservative radicals power over women’s lives and inject fear into those who provide medical treatment to pregnant women. They lied to gain power in their lifetime appointment. It is disgusting. 💙
Not all pregnancies can or should be saved. Until a state takes over the care of an unwanted child and supports them until they're independent; then the court/state has no jurisdiction over legislating women's healthcare. Not all abortions are for birth control...a woman's health and mental status are relevant also. Alito, like most men, don't know how women's bodies or healthcare needs are relevant to their laws. Makes me feel like men dont care if women die or suffer horrific results. Even cattle can get vet care if they have a crisis in health while pregnant.
Basically his argument, Justice Alito's is, the unborn child is more important than the mothers. Which is absolute garbage.
Remember all the people in 2016 that said “I just can’t bring myself to vote for Hillary” … well, how’s that working out for you ?
She won by 3 million voters and the Electoral College overrode our votes.
It's working great.
And the people who are now saying, "I wish I could vote for Biden because I accept that he's done positive things and Trump is a horrible person, *_but GAZA!!!_*
I was thinking the same thing 😢
@@allanmason3201and what will trump do about that ?? I can’t believe people that are not in the cult still consider not to vote for Biden
So scary
Alito wouldn’t be arguing this if a man life was liable
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This has nothing to do with sex or gender. The majority are pro-choice including men. Alito wouldn't give a damn about men either...it's religious zealotry.
@@caker610 I understand your point, but we could say mandatory vasectomy, until proven emotionally, physically and financially responsible to procreate. Let's see how that would play out. Do you think men would "allow" for themselves to Not have a choice and face prison for something they had zero control over.
It is completely about control. Population control and taking away women's rights to vote imprison them for abortions, they lose the right to vote. Less Dems voting. More Republican voting. It is actually very very simple minded. Just like the men trying to control women and our bodies.
With men still being in charge, religion would never have gotten to this point if men got pregnant. Not a chance.
If men got pregnant you would be able to get an abortion at a drive-thru.
It is abysmally and painfully obvious that Alito thinks he has enough medical "knowledge" to adjudicate medical scenarios legally. I would love to see him argue this with a trained medical obstetrician.
Justice Alito I do not tell you how to practice law and I do not want you telling me how to practice medicine I have 30 years experience and I don't need a lawyer telling me what's best for a patient
Alito uses the presence of the word unborn child to justify no abortion for anyone. He elevates the unborn child above the women by reading rights to the unborn child above the mother. He really is beneath contempt to find a way to eliminate any abortion.
The child's life is just as viable
@@YankeeDoodle2 How many fetuses develop in a dead body?
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0 of these abortion laws threaten the lives of women
@@YankeeDoodle2which becomes a moot point if she dies. Then the fetus dies, too.
@@YankeeDoodle2 Perhaps, but it must not get more rights than the mother. That is what this is about....fetal rights to access the body of another for its own benefit, regardless of the mother's medical situation or even her free will. Let me know when you are ready to allow laws to REQUIRE you to give me your kidney if I need it to survive......
Justice Thomas is totally corrupt. And that’s not hyperbole. It’s a fact.
No, it's your opinion.
@fluffy u r incorrect
@@feffygracieDifferent strokes for Different folks.
too bad he didn't take the bribe from John Oliver
@@feffygracie No, it's a well document fact. Educate yourself...
How is it that a biased, ignorant, stubborn, non medical trained can expect medical professionals to break EMTALA laws as well as the Hippocratic Oath?
Outrageous. This is unbelievable Alito thinks that a woman is not worth saving. This is unreal.
7:05 Total mic drop moment! Elizabeth Prelogar has a huge future in public service. I couldn't be more proud if my daughter grew up to be as strong, well-read, confident, and strong as Elizabeth Prelogar!!!
Based on your powerful comment I wager your daughter won’t let you down one bit.
Medicine has come a long way in 150 years, yet they want to refer to abortion from the 1800s
It’s because the men that want to regulate our bodies, have absolutely no idea how our bodies work! The argument from the radical right wing males on this court today was 🤮
Here in AZ our law is from 1864!! WTF?!?!?
@AZbluedot196 it's about control, they dont support women making choices about their own Healthcare.
Right! Before they knew what germs were!
It's still killing a baby .. So much for advanced medicine.
There will be a lot of unnecessary deaths, suffering, and heartaches, allowing the government to decide every detail regarding medical decisions. This will consume the Supreme Court's time for many years.
While most good people can agree on common-sense time restrictions on abortion, the Supreme Court appears mostly divided along the two extremes of the debate.
Alito likes to speak over other people - like another arrogant narcissist with idiotic views on almost any topic you can think of - Donald Trump.
Alito is the worst of them then Clarence the clot.
I can't upvote this enough
At least cow manure fertilizes the soil; nothing Alito or Thomas say or do has worth or value!
We need to get rid of the two sexual predators (Tomas and Kavanaugh) and the disgusting misogynist Alito . They make me sick. I disagree with almost everything the other 3 republican activists believe but at least they have some sense of humanity and empathy.
I noticed that too. He doesn't care. It's a fking disgrace.
Am i hearing it correctly that Alito is saying the unborn child supersedes moms life???? By no F'ing means should that be decided by some dude in a black robe that has no knowledge of that woman or family.
or medicine for that matter.
Not to mention poor grasp of human biology! He embraces his ignorance.
Yes I too am very confused by what he is actually trying to argue....that the fetus trumps the mother's health? Well no b/c he makes that statement no one is saying the mother should be denied life saving treatment. He seems to be saying both should be given life saving treatment. Well DUH!!! but that is not always possible and in cases where the fetus is non-viable/already dead, doctors in states with these restrictions are delaying medically required treatment to the mothers until they are in severe distress/risk of death....b/c of fear of legal reprisals if they perform the abortion to save her before she's about to die.
It's actually so embarrassing to hear this line of argumentation from Alito. Not only is he absolutely clueless about the medical intricacies of this problem, but he's also clearly misinterpreting the intention of the statute discussed, either deliberately or ignorantly. Either way, it's not a good look for a justice of the highest court in the land.
10-year-old from Ohio who received an abortion after rape was the center of a political firestorm in Indiana soon after the Dobbs decision. And Hadley Duvall, who was raped by her stepfather and became pregnant when she was 12, appeared in a campaign ad for Democratic Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear. That ad has been credited with helping Beshear win reelection.abortions after rape would also be difficult to obtain in states that have abortion bans if all clinics providing abortions have closed, which is the case in multiple states.
Samantha Hansen in Utah says she's glad researchers worked to quantify the number of pregnancies from rape in states where abortion is banned.
She says the 65,000 estimate may surprise some people. "I'm not surprised," Hansen says. "If anything, I'm over here going - it's probably higher."
They estimate in a research letter published Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine that 64,565 pregnancies have been caused by rape in the 14 states where abortion is banned.To arrive at the figure of nearly 65,000 rape-caused pregnancies, researchers first estimated the number of rapes that occurred in the states with abortion bans, while those bans were in effect - time periods that vary state-to-state.
"We used the best available research and data that we're aware of to come up with the fraction of women of reproductive age who are survivors of - and the terminology here is horrible - completed vaginal rape," Dickman explains. "The foundation was a survey that the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] conducted that we think is probably the most accurate estimate of not just the sexual assaults that were reported to law enforcement, but also those that weren't reported to
They then used Bureau of Justice Statistics data on criminal victimization and FBI Uniform Crime Reports to assess the number of vaginal rapes of women, ages 15-45, that happened in those 14 states while abortion bans were in effect. The number they arrived at is approximately 520,000 rapes.
Finally, they calculated that 12.5% of those assaults would result in a pregnancy, based on CDC data. "These are hard numbers to come up with - there's no kind of systematic collection at the level of health care providers to be able to answer this question of what's the pregnancy rate among people who have been victims of a completed vaginal rape," Dickman acknowledges. "This is kind of the best we could do."
Their total estimate of pregnancies due to rape in states with abortion bans is 64,565
OMG… An UNBORN CHILD IS NOT A CHILD ! BECAUSE IT IS NOT YET BORN !
Not according to religious nut jobs.
It's a made-up phrase so the "pro life" folks can pretend they're not referring to a conglomeration of cells.
Yet it is
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You are just a conglomeration of cells
@@YankeeDoodle2 I am indeed, but I'm born and can live outside of another human's body. Also, as a born person I don't have rights over someone else's body for sustenance or my existence. Again, "unborn child" is a euphemism for a fetus -- and in some cases only a blastocyst -- that supposedly has rights over the body of the person carrying it. It's absurd -- because no person who is born has such rights.
Alito got caught in a freak storm and travelled from medieval times.
bruh why did the US invade Afghanistan just to form it's own Taliban-esq rule later? You can both oppress women - no need to compete
This just shows that a corrupt judge can interpret the law however he wants . Imagine trying to argue that a woman has no right to live.
Especially when one’s stance is to support a fetus. How can a fetus live if the mother dies from medical neglect?
And the thing is, "the unborn child" cannot live without its host, the woman. WTH is he talking about! Alito is most certainly saying that the woman is not important in this scenario. Does he think every one is stupid?
I don't think that ahole judge is willing to support that fetus after it's born for 18+ years, if because of him, it has no mother! I'm willing to bet almost all pro-fetus/embryo conservatives are the same!
@@dynomitenash8970He's the one who is, for not thinking even that little bit ahead!
THIS IS WHAT THEY VOTED FOR WHEN THEY VOTED FOR TRUMP SO OH WELL 😂
Judges are not physicians and should have no word in this decision making process, but here we are 2024.
So justice Alito is saying that even if The women's life is in danger, the unborn child life is 100% priority. Save the child first before the dying mother is treated. That is basically his whole argument.