Are Bread Proofing Baskets Worth Buying?

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  • čas přidán 14. 04. 2024
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Komentáře • 128

  • @jfess1911
    @jfess1911 Před měsícem +51

    I have been fine with the colander and towel, but I guess a banneton would come under " I don't really NEED anything, but if you want to give me a birthday or Christmas present...".

    • @RH-wj4rz
      @RH-wj4rz Před měsícem

      Perfect!

    • @p.s.shnabel3409
      @p.s.shnabel3409 Před měsícem +1

      I used a banneton for years and was never quite happy with the end results. I like my bread with a very high hydration and no matter how well I'd flour it, the dough would often stick (to the liner). In the end, I gave up and went with a lower hydration.
      Until one day I looked at my metal lasagna form and got a crazy idea: what if I lined it with kitchen parchment (crumple up under running water to make it pliable)?
      And that's now my favorite way of baking bread. The loaf comes out in a practical quadrangle, the top is nice and crunchy - but the bottom and sides stay softer (and don't dry out as much). The crumb itself is super moist and chewy; I use 30g of semolina with 470g all purpose flour, as well as four tsp wheat gluten.
      When I plop in the raw dough it is so squishy, it nearly flows. I let it rise for however long I want (currently about a day or so, it's still pretty cold Downeast). Immediately after baking I remove the parchment paper and let it cool down on a rack.
      Smack away greedy paws that try to cut the hot bread.
      Done

  • @gregwaters944
    @gregwaters944 Před měsícem +12

    A flour sack towel and a 1.5 qt. mixing bowl creates a great round boule.

  • @e.j.maynard4363
    @e.j.maynard4363 Před měsícem +27

    I’ve been using the banneton they recommend (purely by chance) for years now (I have a couple different shapes) and I tell anyone I know who’s looking to start baking bread that they are must have tool, once you’ve decided that you’ll be making bread often. I have never used the liner. The seasoning process is pretty easy, you just lightly spray the banneton with water and sprinkle with an even coating of flour. You’ll want to use a liberal amount the first time. I’ve used all types but have recently been using brown rice flour (just because I had it around). I’ve had zero sticking issues ever since I started using them and they are very low maintenance. After each use they’ll be a bit moist, which is a perfect time to re-season. It’s of course always a good idea to flour your boule before placing in the basket as well. The design is a nice perk but truly it’s been a game changer for my bread making.

    • @gmapes4g
      @gmapes4g Před měsícem

      How do you wash the banneton?

    • @nickcpv
      @nickcpv Před měsícem +4

      You don’t. That is part of the “seasoning” of the bread.

  • @matthewbbenton
    @matthewbbenton Před měsícem +72

    To me, it’s only worth it if you want a batard shape. Otherwise, use a floured, towel-lined colander, which I did for years.

    • @antistaticandi
      @antistaticandi Před měsícem +4

      Exactly. I've also used a linen-towel lined colander for years and make beautiful loaves - not just easy white flour loaves, but challening wholewheat and wholewheat ancient grain loaves. The gluten relaxes just fine in a colander. Love how they both admit colanders work identically if using a liner, and clean up easier.

    • @JenniferBristol
      @JenniferBristol Před měsícem +2

      I found some rectangular woven baskets at Hobby Lobby, which work well with flour cloth towels. Michaels also sells baskets, so you can check there, or buy a rattan bâtard.

    • @lisawhite-mormando6918
      @lisawhite-mormando6918 Před měsícem +1

      This is genius.

    • @zacharysherry2910
      @zacharysherry2910 Před 4 hodinami

      I use cardboard boxes that I cut to shape at an angle but it's time for an upgrade. Boul shapes don't make sense for sandwich bread

  • @BakedandCooked
    @BakedandCooked Před měsícem +7

    I only make sourdough, and I do a 3 day cold ferment.
    I wouldn't want to try making my bread w/o my bannetons.
    I don't use the liners and the bannetons livein the freezer between bakes.

  • @zelma8
    @zelma8 Před měsícem +21

    Meh, I use the same mixing bowl for proofing (ATK's winning metal mixing bowl), and it has been just fine.

  • @randalynkiltz4633
    @randalynkiltz4633 Před měsícem +6

    I use a small oval bread basket and a round plastic bowl. Lined with a flour coated tea towel. Never had sticking issues and always turns out great. Space, money and why?

  • @williamwelch7
    @williamwelch7 Před měsícem +9

    Thanks, I love my banneton for sourdough bread. I season mine with a mixture of AP flour and Thai rice flour. Rice flour is very fine, and has a lower protein content, so less gluten formation, and less sticking.

    • @katherinesmith9985
      @katherinesmith9985 Před měsícem +1

      The rice flour also stays white while baking making any decorations stand out on the finished bread!

    • @ericegli2738
      @ericegli2738 Před měsícem +1

      Same with me. I have also found that after using it a few times, it maintains some flour coating and no longer needs to be floured before putting the dough in it - even with 72% hydration sourdough. The dough itself will have a thin coating of flour from when I shape it.

  • @roxanasmith7745
    @roxanasmith7745 Před měsícem +4

    As always you have much info to share thankyou. God bless

  • @Stuck-n-da-90s
    @Stuck-n-da-90s Před měsícem +1

    I recently started making sour dough and artisan bread. I use a large round glass bowl for the final proof/shaping before baking. I want an oval banneton just so my loaves will have an oval shape instead of round.

  • @aconsideredmoment
    @aconsideredmoment Před měsícem +1

    I agree. The winner has worked very well for us!

  • @kevinhullinger8743
    @kevinhullinger8743 Před měsícem +2

    I only use them for high hydration breads like sourdough. I do not use a liner I dust with rice flour and use a pastry brush to remove excess before baking.

  • @gailaltschwager7377
    @gailaltschwager7377 Před měsícem

    Thank you!

  • @kamilao4062
    @kamilao4062 Před měsícem +1

    I heard painting on a flour paste to season the cane bannetons will help avoid sticking. Gonna try this soon!

  • @lindapindabelinda3570
    @lindapindabelinda3570 Před měsícem

    The recipe I designed gets flips and folds and back into a glass bowl until the final flip and fold. Then it does the last rise in the base of a Le Creuset tagine, where it gets baked. The surface on their tagine makes the best crust, ever.

  • @jvallas
    @jvallas Před měsícem +3

    That one with the attached cloth - do you just never wash the cloth?

  • @deyoglines
    @deyoglines Před 2 dny

    I do like the cane baskets, but I’m having some mold spots popping up, how do you avoid that?

  • @tmmrtn
    @tmmrtn Před měsícem

    Instead of "seasoning" with flour (which can be hard to impregnate into the material), I've had decent success with oil-sprayed cling wrap. You can then use more cling wrap and a rubber band to cover for moisture retention during fridge proofing.

  • @rosehawke2577
    @rosehawke2577 Před měsícem +1

    Breadtopia has been around forever. That's where I got into sourdough and got my first benneton.

  • @AmiKrafty
    @AmiKrafty Před 24 dny

    that is great!

  • @PandaBear62573
    @PandaBear62573 Před měsícem +1

    I've been considering buying one for gluten free bread baking. But now I wonder if I need one since it helps with gluten forming and I'll be making gluten free bread.

  • @marcianelson490
    @marcianelson490 Před 15 dny

    Can a 10 inch round be used for 2.2 lb loaf as well? What can a 13 inch oval be used for?

  • @darrenpeel2482
    @darrenpeel2482 Před měsícem

    I use an oblong banneton to make Sourdough loaves. Being oblong allows for more slices of a similar size.

    • @AlexzanderWessendorf
      @AlexzanderWessendorf Před měsícem

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  • @dkatzism
    @dkatzism Před měsícem +14

    I live in the city and barely have room for a Dutch oven... bannetons won't make the cut for me.

    • @kb_100
      @kb_100 Před měsícem

      My banneton lives inside my ditch oven when not in use

  • @scottlathrop66
    @scottlathrop66 Před měsícem +17

    How often do you need to prove it's bread?

  • @christopherluce3294
    @christopherluce3294 Před měsícem

    I use love making my own bread and pizza dough. Now I’m diabetic and can’t eat that stuff. But I make it occasionally for my friends

  • @barbarac8422
    @barbarac8422 Před měsícem +26

    Seems a bit pricey for a fancy design. My bread tastes just fine without that extra expense.

    • @kristinb5121
      @kristinb5121 Před měsícem +5

      I'm glad they did this. I'd been wondering if there was a culinary reason for these. Decorative and to prevent spread. Not problems for me.

    • @Ben111000111
      @Ben111000111 Před měsícem +4

      ⁠​⁠@@kristinb5121These are really for commercial bakeries. Makes it easier to get a uniform size and shape, and saves some handling time, not enough to be relevant unless you trying to get dozens into an oven without losing too much heat

    • @rosehawke2577
      @rosehawke2577 Před měsícem +2

      @@Ben111000111 Not necessarily. The sourdough I make is somewhere in the mid-range of hydration, but if I didn't use a banneton or similar (a bowl with a dusted tea towel will also work,) I wouldn't have a boule, I'd have a pancake.

    • @jtmg11
      @jtmg11 Před měsícem +1

      My $20 rattan banneton has lasted seven years so far so good, I recommend a soft nylon brush to remove any dried on dough then exposed to air and sunlight to sanitize. This really isn't that difficult or inaccessible ffs

    • @barbarac8422
      @barbarac8422 Před měsícem +1

      @@jtmg11 Glad you're enjoying it, but "ffs" we don't all have to want the same things.

  • @Ezzell_
    @Ezzell_ Před měsícem +13

    Chees cloth and a normal bowl?

    • @WastrelWay
      @WastrelWay Před měsícem +1

      Slap the bread into a loaf pan and bake it.

    • @danbev8542
      @danbev8542 Před měsícem +2

      Yes! Use any bowl .

    • @toddellner5283
      @toddellner5283 Před měsícem +1

      Or a normal bowl and a thin layer of oil

    • @katherinesmith9985
      @katherinesmith9985 Před měsícem

      ​@WastrelWay You can't make the super crusty sourdough boules or batards if you shape in a loaf pan. I received some banetons for a gift, but before that, I used a bowl or basket lunged with floured tea towels.

    • @JenniferBristol
      @JenniferBristol Před měsícem +1

      Try a flour cloth tea towel. The tight weave holds the flour nicely. Cheesecloth will probably stick, and may leave strings behind.

  • @brucehensler9824
    @brucehensler9824 Před měsícem

    I love you, Bridget!

  • @cxa340
    @cxa340 Před měsícem +1

    I guess I am confused here - can someone explain when I would use this? Are these just bowls to place the dough inside while it does a second proof? Then you just flip the dough out and the imprint of the basket stays on the dough while baking?
    Since I tend to use a bread machine I am not sure this is something I would need - even if I bake the bread or rolls in the oven I usually let them second proof in the dough cycle of the bread machine.

    • @p.s.shnabel3409
      @p.s.shnabel3409 Před měsícem

      Nope, you don't need it. You probably use yeast as a rising agent? Bannetons are typically used for sourdough.
      And even if you made sourdough, myself and plenty of others prefer using regular kitchen items that you already own (e.g. bowls). In my experience, all a Banneton does is make the loaf look a little bit more pretty (when you get the pattern). The bread itself will not taste better.
      I've baked bread using a Banneton and using other forms. I've ended up using my metal lasagna form lined with kitchen parchment paper; works best for me.
      To be honest, I have to wonder how much of the hype around Bannetons is taking a hobby too seriously. The bread I bake is for my family and friends. It's not meant to be a showpiece, it's meant to taste great and be eaten rapidly. And I don't want the process to be any more complicated than absolutely necessary, since baking bread is just one out of my (sometimes long) list of chores. Chances are I'll be doing dishes, hanging up laundry, sweeping the floors, cleaning the bathroom etc while my trusted kitchen machine is kneading the dough.

  • @brittanyfriedman5118
    @brittanyfriedman5118 Před měsícem +2

    That wood pulp probably has pfas

  • @clairressagoad2789
    @clairressagoad2789 Před měsícem +1

    This isn’t for me but it was a good learn…

  • @Isolden11
    @Isolden11 Před měsícem +1

    I have a few bannetons and they always stuck, awfully. Would I be able to use parchment paper instead, in the banneton basket?

    • @TheOregonflyfisher
      @TheOregonflyfisher Před měsícem

      Yes, you can. I've been using parchment paper for years, and I spritz the paper with olive oil.

    • @danbev8542
      @danbev8542 Před měsícem +1

      I carefully tilt the unlined basket & sift rice flour all over. Then handle very gently so not to disturb the flour. If I accidentally bump it, I have to dump out the flour & start over. Sometimes you have to wait awhile for the dough to oooze out of the basket. Be sure your dough is not overproofed. Better to err on the side of slightly underproofed. Good slashes & steam help with oven spring.

    • @anne-marielittenberg8950
      @anne-marielittenberg8950 Před měsícem

      yes.

    • @pvman2
      @pvman2 Před měsícem

      @@danbev8542How does one know when their dough is overproofed? I know about the “poke test”, but what happens if one bakes the overproofed dough? How will the bread turn out?

  • @kevinjohnston4923
    @kevinjohnston4923 Před měsícem +1

    Oval banneton is the way to go.

  • @shllybkwrm
    @shllybkwrm Před měsícem +3

    The 'seasoning' was never actually explained - is that just dusting it with flours first?

    • @KenS1267
      @KenS1267 Před měsícem +1

      A light misting of water then evenly coat with flour.
      TBH I barely use mine anymore as I've started doing almost all of my boules in my dutch oven. I mostly bake loafs and baguettes though.

  • @ytube777
    @ytube777 Před měsícem +2

    What is the "liner" made of?

  • @Hedgehobbit
    @Hedgehobbit Před měsícem +6

    Is there any advantage to using these over just a regular metal bowl of the same shape?

    • @kimberleedirkson7120
      @kimberleedirkson7120 Před měsícem +5

      Only in regards to sticking, I think. The layers of wicker straw hold dusted flour so the loaf will release pretty easily. So, if you don't have clinging dough with a mixing bowl, I'd say no, there's no difference

    • @katherinesmith9985
      @katherinesmith9985 Před měsícem +1

      If you line the metal bowl with a tea towel. Otherwise, the moisture in most bread will wick to the surface and make the proofed bread stick to the metal, which defeats the purpose.

    • @ericegli2738
      @ericegli2738 Před měsícem +1

      I find if you want to cut designs, using something that allows it to breathe allows for the exterior to dry a little and be easier to score. I love my rattan banneton with or without the liner for it.

    • @katherinesmith9985
      @katherinesmith9985 Před měsícem +1

      @kimberleedirkson7120 The natural fiber of the baskets also helps wick moisture away from the surface so it doesn't stick and will come out of the basket easily. If you use a mixing bowl, it needs to be lined with a tea towel or some other linen and floured to prevent sticking

  • @yvonnerogers6429
    @yvonnerogers6429 Před měsícem

    👍🏻

  • @milesaugust1001
    @milesaugust1001 Před měsícem

    They fail to mention that while you don't really need a round one, as any bowl will do really to make a boule, but if you want to make bâtards, then you'll def need to one to shape those.

  • @jayceperlmutter4317
    @jayceperlmutter4317 Před měsícem

    Breadtopia doesn't market the rattan/cane banetton any longer; theirs is now a wood-pulp version.

    • @sandrah7512
      @sandrah7512 Před měsícem

      ?? Their round rattan banetton is currently out of stock with an offer to join their wait list and anticipated to be back in stock next month (May 2024). Breadtopia also identifies both the round an oval rattan banettons as ATK's favourites.

  • @andregreen8040
    @andregreen8040 Před měsícem

    I$US19.00 for 1 x 9 inch banneton ? Bit rich.
    I purchased 2 x 10 inch wicker bannetons on Amazon Aus. for $AU29.00 = $US18.00 approx.
    You’re meant to moisten them with water and then a light coating of rice flour and the dough will simply release when banneton is flipped.

  • @nanabanana6407
    @nanabanana6407 Před měsícem

    I’m with Mark Bittman: no banneton!

  • @JSH1
    @JSH1 Před měsícem +1

    Of course they never answered the question if it’s worth buying, which means, no, it’s not. Use the same mixing bowl to rest and make your own design if you choose to make it fancy.

  • @joshbenda351
    @joshbenda351 Před měsícem +17

    Uhhh dollar-store basket/bowl with flat-weave dishtowel? Who has room in their kitchen for this?

    • @keenahudson1853
      @keenahudson1853 Před měsícem +4

      Me. Colander and dish towel works, sort of.
      Depends how much bread you make. We all prioritise our space money and time according to our interests.

  • @kalisal.6894
    @kalisal.6894 Před měsícem +2

    I feel a bit misled by the title of this video. A review is fine, but the video asked IF they are necessary for bread baking. Would have been nice to see how colanders and mixing bowls worked in comparison.

    • @sandrah7512
      @sandrah7512 Před měsícem

      From the full review (link in video description): “Technically, nobody needs a banneton. As we note in our Almost No-Knead Sourdough Bread 2.0 and Classic Sourdough Bread (Pain au Levain) recipes, you can simply proof bread in a colander lined with a dish towel. But if you’re baking a loaf a week, it might be time to free up that colander and invest in a banneton. A banneton also allows you to give your bread a wider variety of decorative looks.”

  • @13soap13
    @13soap13 Před měsícem

    Oblong for me . . . but good to know . . .

  • @Al-isthatyou
    @Al-isthatyou Před měsícem

    No thanks. A towel over a mixing bowl for me. Plus I can actually wash this setup.

  • @shawnmiller4781
    @shawnmiller4781 Před měsícem +1

    Seems like money spent for little actual gain

  • @MistressOnyaCox
    @MistressOnyaCox Před měsícem +1

    😮😅 no silicone review

  • @toddellner5283
    @toddellner5283 Před měsícem +5

    It's an overpriced one-purpose gadget that needs to be cleaned more extensively and often has a liner that has to be laundered. It doesn't give better results than a glass or metal container and is much less food safe. This video could have been much shorter if you had answered your own question with "No"

    • @bostonbesteats364
      @bostonbesteats364 Před měsícem

      LOL you don't launder the liner

    • @toddellner5283
      @toddellner5283 Před měsícem

      @@bostonbesteats364Lol yourself, little troll. Basic food safewty

    • @lenabreijer1311
      @lenabreijer1311 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@bostonbesteats364oh gross! With all the flour on it it will attract bugs and mice. Gross.

    • @bostonbesteats364
      @bostonbesteats364 Před měsícem +2

      @@lenabreijer1311 You obviously don't know how to bake bread

    • @lenabreijer1311
      @lenabreijer1311 Před měsícem +1

      @@bostonbesteats364 I bake bread frequently but I wash my equipment.

  • @just-incase3483
    @just-incase3483 Před měsícem

    I want an American made, the Chinese don’t need my money😡

  • @FishareFriendsNotFood972
    @FishareFriendsNotFood972 Před měsícem +13

    Short answer: no.

  • @azrobbins01
    @azrobbins01 Před měsícem +2

    Answer: no

  • @kenken6550
    @kenken6550 Před měsícem +1

    Or, you could take your money and throw it in the garbage.
    Same results.

  • @bostonbesteats364
    @bostonbesteats364 Před měsícem +1

    ATK needs to work on their bread baking. Those are definitely not Instagrammable

    • @aloras405
      @aloras405 Před měsícem +1

      As long as the bread tastes good it doesn’t matter

    • @bostonbesteats364
      @bostonbesteats364 Před měsícem

      @@aloras405 You will notice they didn't cut them open. The were flat, either under or over-proofed or some other technical error that limited oven spring. If you want a dense bread, I guess it doesn't matter, but it does to most of us who want properly made bread

    • @pvman2
      @pvman2 Před měsícem

      ⁠@@bostonbesteats364”Properly”? Who determines what’s “proper” in anyones kitchen? I think the “proper” density is in the palate of the beholder.

    • @bostonbesteats364
      @bostonbesteats364 Před měsícem

      @@pvman2 Competent bakers know, that's who

  • @morrismonet3554
    @morrismonet3554 Před měsícem

    Waste of money unless you are a professional baker that figured out you can charge more for bread with a pattern on it. Ask Archie Bunker about the French.🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @laurao3274
      @laurao3274 Před měsícem

      My dad uses proofing baskets that he kept from when he had a bakery. He uses them because they're convenient for shaping, not for the pattern. A pattern as shallow as that would never remain through the baking process.

  • @paulgaras2606
    @paulgaras2606 Před měsícem

    Not really.

  • @livehockey09
    @livehockey09 Před měsícem +1

    Perhaps you should change the misleading title…

  • @user-pb2jp5sg8c
    @user-pb2jp5sg8c Před měsícem

    Wood pulp. Kind of like the urine collecyion "hats" in a hospital. Lol.

  • @bostonbesteats364
    @bostonbesteats364 Před měsícem +3

    My banneton cost $85 so my bread is better than yours.

  • @RIPMrAlwaysFirst
    @RIPMrAlwaysFirst Před měsícem +2

    First

  • @JSAC66
    @JSAC66 Před měsícem +2

    C'mon, this is silly.

  • @OMGWTFLOLSMH
    @OMGWTFLOLSMH Před měsícem

    Here's a one "word" answer to the question. LOL.