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  • The tone wood debate concerning the effect wood has on an electric guitar is back in the news after Paul Reed Smith weighed in on the topic
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    Not the most compelling arguments I've seen...
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  • @courier11sec
    @courier11sec Před 27 dny +1512

    The tone is stored in the balls.

  • @pvtts05
    @pvtts05 Před 27 dny +654

    He exhibits absolutely no nuance in articulating his argument. He sounds like a lobbyist for the tobacco industry.

    • @BlazonStone
      @BlazonStone Před 27 dny +10

      Well described!!!

    • @Podcastforthewin
      @Podcastforthewin Před 27 dny +23

      But prs guitars are Smooth, fulfilling, and are for the rich. they also come in menthol green.
      cmon - Give em a try, pal. i think youll really enjoy it, and you only need one.

    • @henrygvidonas9573
      @henrygvidonas9573 Před 27 dny +37

      Lack of nuance is not the problem. His complete catastrophic failure in basic logical argumentation is! Almost every single sentence that came out of his mouth on that stage contained a basic logical fallacy. If he ever tries to defend himself in court, he will end up on death row for tailgating, despite being completely innocent.
      There's a huge difference between being a good guitar builder/designer with a few really good ideas that catch on - and being a good spokesperson and communicator with the public for a company. Very few people are good at both. Paul Reed Smith is awful at the latter.

    • @tylersmith9418
      @tylersmith9418 Před 27 dny +10

      @@henrygvidonas9573yeah, you’re right. He has no evidence to support the argument that wood impacts tone in a meaningful way in an electric instrument. And he’s unapologetically bad at communicating anything.

    • @Tigermaster1986
      @Tigermaster1986 Před 27 dny +9

      Exactly.
      Plus:
      1. He is telling this to people who already agree with him.
      2. I'm not sure where this speech happened, but I don't think a single person there was a guitar builder.
      3. A lot of the people who speak against the concept of tone wood are guitar builders. Tim Sway, for example.

  • @ashdelarosa
    @ashdelarosa Před 23 dny +113

    I just know drunk Paul would be an absolute nightmare to hang out with.

    • @DamienTheCat
      @DamienTheCat Před 8 dny

      Like the meme of the dude at the baseball game absolutely yelling into the girl's ear next to him, except it's Hellraiser grabbing you while screaming and never letting go. "WOULD YOU USE RUBBER STRINGS!?!?!" as blood and pus drips down his face.

  • @dustinf11
    @dustinf11 Před 25 dny +112

    I build my guitars out of the nicest walnut and exotic tops I can get. I dont think it matters, they just look nicer using nicer wood.

    • @RichardGarcia93
      @RichardGarcia93 Před 23 dny

      Nice!

    • @benclaase8181
      @benclaase8181 Před 23 dny

      It needs to be appealing to your taste and then play the way want it producing the sounds that you are looking for by selecting the hardware and pickups.

    • @RyoCanCan
      @RyoCanCan Před 22 dny

      Hell yeah.

    • @elgee
      @elgee Před 21 dnem +2

      I’ve built guitar bodies from ply, oak worktops, coffee tables etc and have never had a comment about the shitty sound, in fact it’s the opposite and my friends are always surprised that the sound is the same as ”tonewood” lol

    • @RichardsGuitarshop
      @RichardsGuitarshop Před 18 dny +1

      Exactly!!!!! An honest guitar builder - and there’s nothing to be ashamed of about that either! Everyone buys with their eyes first and then try and kid themselves into believing it was the tone that sold it to them (there’s no shame in that - you need to enjoy the guitar in every respect)

  • @ChucksGhost01
    @ChucksGhost01 Před 27 dny +660

    I don't like his tone.

  • @davealexander59
    @davealexander59 Před 27 dny +563

    That bullshit speech made me lose a lot of respect for Paul.

    • @castleanthrax1833
      @castleanthrax1833 Před 27 dny +44

      It made me lose respect for him as a guitarist. He was speaking from the position of a salesman (in the video) and trying to make us believe he was speaking as a guitarist.

    • @robmcd
      @robmcd Před 27 dny +21

      I’ve been meaning to order an SE now I might skip it.

    • @castleanthrax1833
      @castleanthrax1833 Před 27 dny +18

      @robmcd SEs are made by Cort, I think, so they're probably still good guitars. 👍

    • @katabatica
      @katabatica Před 26 dny +19

      This. I no longer want a PRS.

    • @cb-ez7pz
      @cb-ez7pz Před 26 dny +9

      @@katabatica me either

  • @stuponfucious7
    @stuponfucious7 Před 18 dny +18

    Mad respect for linking the Jim Lill video. His video series completely upends 90% of industry claims.

  • @BassRacerx
    @BassRacerx Před 22 dny +41

    the crazy thing about PRS is he has ALL of the resources to prove he's right. make three identical guitars. Only change the wood the guitar is made out of. have them all connected to the same amp on the same settings. and then play the guitars in front of a group at a clinic just like this. That would be a stronger argument than anything he can do yelling at a microphone for hours.

    • @Pitolek1993
      @Pitolek1993 Před 18 dny +7

      Won't change much , people will interpret the sound subjectively. The only way to be objective is to measure the sound waves and compare them, it's been done and proven. Just not by the manufacturers who know they have been selling BS for decades.

    • @keithangstadt4950
      @keithangstadt4950 Před 17 dny +5

      It would also have to be a blind test where the audience doesn't see the guitars and aren't told what they are made of. We do alot of hearing and make alot of judgement based on what we see.

    • @BassRacerx
      @BassRacerx Před 17 dny +4

      @@Pitolek1993 If they wanted to be scientific they could plug the instrument cable directly into a spectrum analyzer.

    • @BassRacerx
      @BassRacerx Před 17 dny

      @@keithangstadt4950 you can just paint them all black since you are testing the wood and not the paint. Also you can connect the instrument cable to a spectrum analyzer.

    • @nickchambers3935
      @nickchambers3935 Před 17 dny +3

      That's honestly such a no brainer, it would be brilliant marketing for PRS to demonstrate empirically that the idea they're trying to sell you on is actually true. The fact that they've never tried that speaks volumes

  • @flapjack413
    @flapjack413 Před 27 dny +518

    Paul has been getting high off his own supply for way too long.

  • @stugeh
    @stugeh Před 27 dny +221

    Why am I watching a keynote from a dentist conference?

  • @franciscojaldin9457
    @franciscojaldin9457 Před 26 dny +106

    There is a video from Fender showing how they made a Stratocaster out of cardboard. Somebody from the staff said "sounds like a strat".

    • @schmoemi3386
      @schmoemi3386 Před 26 dny +21

      There are a lot of YT videos out there from guys making (electric) guitars out of almost anything: leaves, candy, pencils....

    • @marcingardias9254
      @marcingardias9254 Před 24 dny +17

      @@schmoemi3386 To be fair, the actual load-bearing material in these cases is epoxy resin, but yeah, still not wood.

    • @FilleIceRises
      @FilleIceRises Před 24 dny +12

      In my experience, tone comes from a combination of pots, pickups and strings. Wood pretty much only matters when it comes to weight, sturdiness and looks.

    • @schmoemi3386
      @schmoemi3386 Před 24 dny

      @@marcingardias9254 To be fair, at least when you cast pencils in resin, there is still some wood, but I doubt that pencils are made of "fine tonewood" 😅

    • @seanbeadles7421
      @seanbeadles7421 Před 23 dny +2

      Cuz fender sells guitars for the average lower income guitarist and doesn’t have to justify dentist prices with the wood species

  • @rubbertoedesigns6134
    @rubbertoedesigns6134 Před 23 dny +19

    Tones is stored in the tip of the string, which is why you should never trim them

  • @djsusan00
    @djsusan00 Před 27 dny +788

    Multi millionaire guitar company owner argues about tone wood, sounds like his bottom line is getting compromised.

    • @75YBA
      @75YBA Před 27 dny +17

      100%

    • @nihilistlivesmatter
      @nihilistlivesmatter Před 27 dny +42

      Paul could make a guitar out of old scaffold boards & sell it for thousands...ironically using exotic hardwoods is more likely a deficit on his bottom line

    • @rickyturner2742
      @rickyturner2742 Před 27 dny +23

      Exactly. He's a business man, so obviously he's going to argue till he's blue in the face.

    • @dionr1168
      @dionr1168 Před 27 dny

      Sounds like his bottom line is threatened when the likes of Glenn Fricker provide audio evidence to prove that tonewood is a scam.

    • @sunnohh
      @sunnohh Před 27 dny +19

      @@rickyturner2742he makes less money on tonewoods tho, his brain is just broken and I am a prs fanboi

  • @ShaelynneDFuller
    @ShaelynneDFuller Před 27 dny +357

    Paul is a salesman, and we all know salesmen are full of shit.

    • @Podcastforthewin
      @Podcastforthewin Před 27 dny +8

      generally used car salesmen are, yes. salesmen often have to be honest to a point, so they don't ruin the reputation of their business.

    • @stuco
      @stuco Před 27 dny +8

      Yeah he is a salesman at heart. He is highly educated on guitars yet routinely says ridiculous stuff. I find it amusing personally but kinda see why many find it off-putting.

    • @thefrogger6507
      @thefrogger6507 Před 27 dny +2

      It's TONESHIT and it's essential for the music, that's why he's full of it

    • @MrJackrockerman
      @MrJackrockerman Před 27 dny

      YES, 👍 agree

    • @castleanthrax1833
      @castleanthrax1833 Před 27 dny +5

      I wouldn't necessarily say, "Salesmen are full of shit."
      I'd say that what he's trying to say in that video isn't supported by any evidence whatsoever.

  • @TheZotman5
    @TheZotman5 Před 26 dny +23

    I love PRS guitars, but Paul is so busy sniffing his own farts that he doesn't have time to sample the cork.

  • @julianbarlow6408
    @julianbarlow6408 Před 26 dny +49

    I remember playing in a pub full of pissed up people at midnight, everyone was shouting for us to play Wonder Wall when a bloke at the bar broke away from his pint and pointed out that it would be inappropriate to play any oasis songs as I was using a telecaster with an alder body, thus creating an imperceptible tonal variation from the original track. Luckily, I had my balsa guitar with Vaseline strings to fall back on.

  • @courier11sec
    @courier11sec Před 27 dny +239

    Paul has a super sophisticated device that collects and preserves his farts so he can sniff them any time he's feeling like he's not the center of attention.

    • @harounel-poussah6936
      @harounel-poussah6936 Před 27 dny

      Well, he should sell it to Donald vanshitz Hispantz... Donnie smells truly putrid!

    • @BigMuff75
      @BigMuff75 Před 27 dny +3

      LMAO!

    • @theshapeexists
      @theshapeexists Před 27 dny

      I'd still rather own a PRS over a Gibson. The man knows how to build a great guitar

    • @benedekgabor.
      @benedekgabor. Před 27 dny +11

      @@theshapeexistsThat doesn’t stops him being a snob.

    • @theshapeexists
      @theshapeexists Před 27 dny +3

      @@benedekgabor. Indeed

  • @Tomislav_B.
    @Tomislav_B. Před 27 dny +152

    PRS is building strawman argument, addressing points that haven't been even made

    • @jasondorsey7110
      @jasondorsey7110 Před 27 dny +7

      Strat saddles on a vintage martin...might actually sound better if that means it can be intonated better

    • @Tomislav_B.
      @Tomislav_B. Před 27 dny +3

      @@jasondorsey7110 For all we know it might sound better and be intonation better 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @MikeDullSharpe
      @MikeDullSharpe Před 27 dny +11

      They're so deep in the strawman that they might as well make a guitar made of straw.

    • @Tomislav_B.
      @Tomislav_B. Před 27 dny +12

      @@MikeDullSharpe Tonestraw

    • @bassyey
      @bassyey Před 26 dny +1

      @@jasondorsey7110Acoustic guitars should have adjustable saddles by now. Right? It would make setup so much easier. As it stands now, you're shaping the bone bridge and you have to do it carefully, if you oversand it, it's over.

  • @yannamengual2777
    @yannamengual2777 Před 26 dny +16

    After hearing such powerful arguments, I think I don't deserve to have a PRS guitar...

    • @Chrome262
      @Chrome262 Před 24 dny +3

      agreed, I can't build guitars so I won't be able to appreciate them.

    • @arunkarthikma3121
      @arunkarthikma3121 Před 18 hodinami

      @@Chrome262 Yes, as consumers, we should kick them out of the market lol

  • @CarlBWood
    @CarlBWood Před 17 dny +7

    For my electric, the only reason I care about the wood is the aesthetic value.

  • @lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121
    @lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 Před 27 dny +209

    Jim Lil is a living legend. Dude was able to make GUITAR PLAYERS re-think their beliefs. Crazyyy

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny

      but only the ones who have half a brain, it seems

    • @dirkda2451
      @dirkda2451 Před 27 dny +11

      And he’s also just a great musician

    • @slingpeace
      @slingpeace Před 26 dny +6

      But that is IF said guitarist is willing to accept that the load of crap the manufacturers have been spewing for decades is just marketing BS and are willing to adjust their views.

    • @Arnold-vc7es
      @Arnold-vc7es Před 20 dny +2

      Just imagine Jim Lill making videos about the power of prayer. "So I bought a cross necklace and a nice suit to wear to church, and I began speaking in tongues, but I'm just a Christian, what do I know? So I started thinking outside the box and came up with.... [cut to next scene] This... is an amputee. The Bible says 'ask and ye shall receive', so I paid an amputee $50.00 to devoutly pray to God to regrow his limbs and..."

  • @GregMerritt-ws8tq
    @GregMerritt-ws8tq Před 27 dny +132

    That was some proper cloud yelling by Paul.

  • @Takusman
    @Takusman Před 26 dny +11

    don't forget the first parker fly was also made with composite materials

    • @JeanMarceaux
      @JeanMarceaux Před 23 dny +1

      As were the early Steinbergers

    • @theuserthatishere
      @theuserthatishere Před 19 dny

      yeah and everyone is rocking those...

    • @artist91fb
      @artist91fb Před 17 dny

      Actually, Parkers have become collectibles instruments and the archtop Ken makes are absolutely amazing and responsive. And if anything, the method used to develop them should put Paul to shame, as the rationale was to create an instrument that would need the least amount of maintenance and repairs as possible. If I could go back I would trade my PRS for a Parker fly

    • @PhantomRascal
      @PhantomRascal Před 17 dny

      @@theuserthatishere man, tell us youve never played or heard of parker fly or steinbergers without telling us

    • @Takusman
      @Takusman Před 10 dny

      @@JeanMarceaux I never knew about it, I remember the parker fly was all the outrage for being mostly composite materials and not wood 👍

  • @RichardsGuitarshop
    @RichardsGuitarshop Před 24 dny +7

    What I’m witnessing is the Same BS I’ve been experiencing for 29 years in the industry. It’s totally embarrassing - im embarrassed to be in an industry so dominated by marketing hype and total BS. In this very specific case he just sounds senile and confused - like someone’s grandad who you meet at a social gathering and you kindly nod, smile and move on as quickly as possible

    • @theuserthatishere
      @theuserthatishere Před 19 dny

      so you think well off fellas that can drop $10k for f#@ks sake are getting bamboozled? these are typically really sharp dudes that research before they throw down $10k for a guitar they themselves know they don't need

    • @RichardsGuitarshop
      @RichardsGuitarshop Před 19 dny

      @@theuserthatishere a sprinkle of cynicism ? 🤔 😊

    • @theuserthatishere
      @theuserthatishere Před 18 dny

      @@RichardsGuitarshop no cynicism, i don't know any naive fools that make really good money, enough to afford $10k for a sweet guitar. i'm not saying you need to spend that or that i would, prs does nothing for me, lost me at body shape alone

    • @RichardsGuitarshop
      @RichardsGuitarshop Před 18 dny +4

      @@theuserthatishere oh? So you were suggesting that because someone can afford a 10k guitar they know better? 😆. It’s actually the total opposite. The average person whose got 10k to spend on a PRS are quite simply doing it for the status of owning one. PRS are like Rolex - the public believe they are “the best” and frankly the average dentist who can afford the best buys one because he knows his friends will be impressed. It’s a totally fair reason to buy a guitar if your priority is to impress your friends. PRS was my first “top end” brand I sold and I maybe sold them for 12 months? Totally and utterly uninspiring tone - for me personally. I also found the switching through the rotation totally ridiculous as of course there’s no way of knowing what pickup config you’re on at a glance. They look pretty - lovely looking guitars but in my opinion (and I don’t think many would argue) the tone of the tops is a total red herring. People but a pre for the beautiful grain - and he should focus his attention on the natural beauty of the wood rather than try and sell the concept of the unique tone - trust me - if the tops were plain but the tone improved by 10% - you think their sales would go up or down?

    • @keithangstadt4950
      @keithangstadt4950 Před 17 dny +1

      @@theuserthatishere You mean the same guys that spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on luxury cars and sports cars that are in the shop more than on the road?

  • @Leychen
    @Leychen Před 27 dny +364

    The tonewood debate isn't "back" because it will never be completely gone with guitar builders willing to say anything to defend their business, and with customers willing to believe in fairy dust.

    • @richardharrold9736
      @richardharrold9736 Před 27 dny +16

      It isn't fairy dust, it's clearly audible to those of us with hearing.

    • @IsntGwen
      @IsntGwen Před 27 dny

      ​@@richardharrold9736 get scammed and love it

    • @nckhed
      @nckhed Před 27 dny +8

      ​@@richardharrold9736 Exactly. There are guitarists out there who can't even tell their guitar is out of tune or that they are playing out of tune in general. Pushing notes sharp, bending under/over pitch, etc. I imagine they are the same ones who say wood doesn't make a difference. I have one guitar that is all mahogany and the other is alder/maple. The latter is distinctly brighter than the former, and that is when playing through the same exact amp and settings. I have to roll the tone knob down halfway to tame the brighter sound of the alder/maple guitar.

    • @richardharrold9736
      @richardharrold9736 Před 27 dny +8

      @@nckhed bending notes isn't amusical, to be fair. Go and listen to the classic blues players who do just that. The difference in tones between, say, a mahogany/maple Les Paul, a pure mahogany Les Paul/SG or a Korina Flying V... it's all really audible. Same pickups and pots in all. And yes, maple is brighter than mahogany!

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope Před 27 dny +9

      The maybe biggest impact is a change of picks. The try a metal one or a wooden one. That is a massive change. The wood is only a tiny fraction in comparison to that.

  • @ryanjbeattie
    @ryanjbeattie Před 27 dny +90

    There was a comedian that once said (I forget his name, sorry) "I don't know how to fly a helicopter, but if I see one stuck in a tree I'm allowed to say that that dude fucked up"
    Basically you don't need to know how to make a guitar to listen to how it sounds haha

  • @JimBagby74
    @JimBagby74 Před 26 dny +10

    Sounds like a politician.

  • @Levibetz
    @Levibetz Před 23 dny +4

    The irony of him being like "If you were to go to a violin maker would you take away his ability to choose the best tone wood?" because if you're mass producing electric guitars and selecting these for only the finest tone woods, aren't you reducing the supply for violin makers who likely have much much less buying power? I mean effectively no, it's all fine, it's just ironic.

  • @LuisNunes-ps4sl
    @LuisNunes-ps4sl Před 27 dny +82

    By the way, electric violins and cellos usually don't even have a solid body, just a central fingerboard barely wider than the neck and a light frame 😂😂🎻

    • @heartycoffee4754
      @heartycoffee4754 Před 13 dny +2

      i’m anti tone wood but tbh most electric violins sound like shit

    • @felonyx5123
      @felonyx5123 Před 2 dny

      Do people even play those for the sound? I thought they mostly existed to be violin-shaped things you can practice quietly on.

  • @joeydurant6267
    @joeydurant6267 Před 27 dny +146

    'shut up and play yer guitar'
    -Frank Zappa

    • @har234908234
      @har234908234 Před 25 dny

      I'm not sure folk aren't attributing something to Zappa that was used against him that he later used ironically... but I sure would have loved Frank to weigh in on this one!

    • @cycomiles4225
      @cycomiles4225 Před 24 dny

      ​@@har234908234 Considering he modded his guitars to hell and back, I doubt he even cared about what it says on the tin.

    • @CIRCLEOFTONE
      @CIRCLEOFTONE Před 24 dny +2

      Frank's guitars were heavily modified one of a kind guitars with internal boosts etc. Even his son said you can't match his tone because of the gonzo stuff he did while obsessing over gear.

    • @cycomiles4225
      @cycomiles4225 Před 24 dny +2

      @@CIRCLEOFTONE Yup...he didnt care about the wood all that much...if he could chip it away and add some weird effect with a switch, he would.

  • @Sonic-sh2vh
    @Sonic-sh2vh Před 22 dny +9

    The guy is pretty arrogant.

  • @pattlehed
    @pattlehed Před 25 dny +3

    I've counted at least 4 logical fallacies, Straw manning, argument from incredulity, and argument from authority, false equivalence

  • @donkarnage6032
    @donkarnage6032 Před 27 dny +176

    I work in the restaurant industry. Paul sounds like the shitty chef who sends out shitty food and then gets mad when people send back his shitty food scoffs and says... 'Ugh. What do they know. They haven't cooked for this many years...' They don't have to know how to cook in order to know how to taste food. It's the same for this. You don't need to be a master luthier to know how a guitar functions. Paul is just mad that people are calling him out on his BS that he's been cooking all these years.

    • @kimamey
      @kimamey Před 26 dny +7

      His body language with his arms tightly crossed does look very aggressive or maybe defensive. He keeps saying it doesn't make any sense. He's certainly got that right.

    • @tom.m
      @tom.m Před 26 dny +8

      I don't think I can take someone seriously if they're suggesting Paul has been cooking up shit all these years.
      Say what you want about the wood, but don't pretend the guitars suck.

    • @donkarnage6032
      @donkarnage6032 Před 26 dny +11

      @@tom.m I wasn’t trying to imply his guitars were bad just that he’s bitter that he’s been called out selling that tonewood snake oil all these years.

    • @nihilistlivesmatter
      @nihilistlivesmatter Před 25 dny +5

      @@donkarnage6032 Ecept Paul would be the chef that cooked so well he now owns a chain of restaurants with a 6 month waiting list to get a table
      piss poor analogy

    • @ruffestneckaround
      @ruffestneckaround Před 25 dny +3

      A chain smoking chef with no tastebuds left

  • @zeusapollo8688
    @zeusapollo8688 Před 27 dny +125

    Jim lill did a great job

    • @lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121
      @lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 Před 27 dny +25

      Dude lives rent free inside the mind of every lawyer who spent 5k on a guitat because of "wood"

    • @nihilistlivesmatter
      @nihilistlivesmatter Před 27 dny

      @@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 I think the kind of guy that drops 5k on a prs is too busy driving his merc & banging his sugarbaby too care

    • @Thesongstaysthesame
      @Thesongstaysthesame Před 27 dny +6

      Jim Lill is a Gem!

  • @RaiderNation-North
    @RaiderNation-North Před 25 dny +3

    “It’s the wood that makes it good!” - Cosmo Kramer

  • @flatjesus
    @flatjesus Před 24 dny +9

    I was never gonna buy a PRS, but Paul being a turd made me go from being indifferent to PRS as a company to actively disliking PRS as a company

    • @beefnacos6258
      @beefnacos6258 Před 14 dny

      Then you might not want to buy from any name brand manufacturer

    • @arunkarthikma3121
      @arunkarthikma3121 Před 18 hodinami

      @@beefnacos6258 What other name brand manufacturer is actively spewing vile language and insulting customers? I can think of maybe Keisel, but that's it

  • @michaelatkinson4550
    @michaelatkinson4550 Před 27 dny +107

    He has to say it matters so he can justify someone spending $10,000 dollars on a guitar!

    • @sunnohh
      @sunnohh Před 27 dny +6

      Tbf most of his most popular guitars are import guitars with veneers and random wood, the private stock stuff probably loses money

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny +2

      facts

    • @DrMurdercock
      @DrMurdercock Před 27 dny +15

      @@sunnohh loses money? how does using a cnc to cut wood, then sell 500 bucks n parts for 5-30k losing money?

    • @robertlucas9867
      @robertlucas9867 Před 27 dny +1

      My only objection to this statement is Fender, Gibson, Jackson, etc also charge that amount or more so it’s not just PRS.

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny +6

      @@robertlucas9867 Yeah, anybody who sells something is aware of their consumers being not that smart, especially musicians

  • @devDarkest
    @devDarkest Před 27 dny +171

    Paul is literally saying “If evolution is real, how come bread doesn’t talk?”

    • @christianb9077
      @christianb9077 Před 24 dny

      I beg to differ:
      czcams.com/video/lYi5vf1vSb8/video.htmlsi=Yt3dRVvhQ7ixcteQ&t=89

    • @ChainsawChristmas
      @ChainsawChristmas Před 24 dny +13

      Figuratively

    • @SweetPablo972
      @SweetPablo972 Před 22 dny +1

      @@ChainsawChristmasYou beat me to it.

    • @helio1055
      @helio1055 Před 22 dny +9

      Lol literal boomer, “hoo hoo ha ha, the internet thinks they know how make guitars better than us durrr”

    • @ramonzeira
      @ramonzeira Před 20 dny +2

      why does people have such a hard time using "literally" properly?

  • @da574
    @da574 Před 5 dny +1

    When I was a kid, back in 1962, Bell Canada replaced the wooden poles and ceramic insulators with concrete poles and glass insulators. The warmth of the wooden poles was lost in the low end but a significant gain in the top end was achieved by the introduction of the concrete poles. I replaced the straight cord on our phone with a coily cord and immediately noticed an improvement in the mids and the low end. Changing the colour of the phone made a small difference, with the black phone sounding darker. This test was done on a wall-mounted phone so I do not know if the results would be the same for a standard desk phone of that era.

  • @ringchamp6543
    @ringchamp6543 Před 23 dny +1

    Love your work, keep it up thanks so much bro!

  • @tweakerofknobs
    @tweakerofknobs Před 27 dny +100

    craftsmanship > tonewood. It's as simple as that.

    • @WendigoSotomonte
      @WendigoSotomonte Před 27 dny +9

      Agree to a certain point ....A CnC can do the same sheeeet .... and i havent seen a worker shiting wood or creating quilts patterns on live trees... you can buy a $500 guitar and sent ir to a luthier to make it feel lile a custom WITHOUT paying 6k 8k 10k 15k for a Prs Private stock

    • @madmod
      @madmod Před 27 dny +9

      ​@WendigoSotomonte A CNC cannot finish a guitar body or neck in the same level of skill as a trained pro. It's capable of the routing all the electronic cavaties and rough shaping/contouring but a ton of the sanding and actual prepping the body for a painting/finishing process is very much done by people and when it's not it's pretty easy to tell.
      This is why mass production instruments have a greater volume of defects than the higher end equivalents, at least from my experience. Then there's Gibson who sells guitars with paint cracking and chipping from the factory so who knows.

    • @harounel-poussah6936
      @harounel-poussah6936 Před 27 dny +6

      @@madmod You haven't seen the robot arms at the MusicMan plant doing the painting/finishing...

    • @harounel-poussah6936
      @harounel-poussah6936 Před 27 dny +1

      @@WendigoSotomonte You can also ask the luthier to fully build your guitar to much higher specs than a mid-range quality PRS Private Stock or Gibson Custom Shop... for the quarter if not the 6th of the price...

    • @dancortes2164
      @dancortes2164 Před 27 dny +1

      ​@@WendigoSotomonte CNC only makes 15% of the job at best. In average, it only makes 8% if the job.

  • @tgarder
    @tgarder Před 27 dny +36

    ...Imagine if they would just go "The higher price on our more expensive lines of guitars is due to them featuring pro level components that will make your instrument sound better - and the carefully selected woods is hand crafted by experts to offer you an instrument that both looks and feels better and more importantly, most probably will inspire you to play better.". I wouldn't oppose that at all.

  • @paultaylor2968
    @paultaylor2968 Před 11 dny +1

    Well reasoned discussion KDH. PRS is the kind of loud drunk you'd never win an argument with .

  • @MicroSBs
    @MicroSBs Před 26 dny +2

    All respect to Paul as a luthier. Ive always felt tone wood is more to accent nuances in sound rather than shape it completely and I try to sell it as such. Mostly the wood such as fancy tops or bodies Ive sold to clients as upcharges is for visual purpose. Personally I think shape of the electric guitar has more to do with how the guitar sounds than the wood itself and of course parts/pickups. The debate is stupid and tears the community apart. I see people calling each other wild names over this debate its ridiculous. If you believe fully in tonewood for sound and pay for it good on you , if you dont and skirt around it? Also good for you! this is guitar its totally subjective from the ground up people need to stop looking at it as what's right and wrong.... there is no answer to that as long as you enjoy your guitar.

  • @davidconnelly
    @davidconnelly Před 26 dny +76

    The luxury watch manufacturers had a similar problem when cheap quartz watches were found to be better at keeping time than mechanical watches. Rolex and others responded by focusing on the beauty of their products and their proud history. Paul Reel Smith would be well advised to do likewise.

    • @dj_tmc
      @dj_tmc Před 23 dny

      You nailed it!

    • @Jayteaseepiirturi
      @Jayteaseepiirturi Před 21 dnem

      mmm. True.

    • @101Volts
      @101Volts Před 21 dnem

      Reminds me of a short (and irrelevant to the plot) part in the 1931 Fritz Lang movie "M." A thief is seen taking 5 or more pocket watches from his pockets, and then he makes a phone call or just asks the phone operator what time it is so he can set the time right.

    • @Arnold-vc7es
      @Arnold-vc7es Před 20 dny +2

      In fairness PRS guitars are still some of the best guitars out there, despite there being zero evidence for tone wood.

    • @Jayteaseepiirturi
      @Jayteaseepiirturi Před 20 dny

      @@Arnold-vc7es I have no experience with PRS, to be honest so I don't know. But, as popular as it is, it has to be an inspiring instrument to play.

  • @Darksignstudios
    @Darksignstudios Před 27 dny +119

    ive always wanted a PRS. After hearing Paul talk, i no longer have the desire for one

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny +12

      "Boys, we got our brother back"

    • @eliasmsv3156
      @eliasmsv3156 Před 27 dny +14

      there are way cooler guitars out there.

    • @brianjones8432
      @brianjones8432 Před 27 dny +9

      PRS makes great guitars. Have owned and gigged on them personally for decades, but any guitar player worth his salt could have walked up on that stage with a PRS SE and proven that it sounded practically identical to any of the outrageously priced "tone wood" specials that St. Paul seems so determined to think are so radically different. We get it Paul, the rare woods collection isn't selling as well as you'd like. Even the target demographic of dentists and lawyers who's guitars spend more time hanging on a wall than in any remotely capable hands isn't buying into the $15,000+ price tags you were throwing on that shit.

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny +3

      @@brianjones8432 Yeah, PRS and his Gibson wannabe prices

    • @NedJeffery
      @NedJeffery Před 26 dny +4

      The SE models are absolutely worth it. If you have money to burn you could burn it somewhere else. But if you are on a budget and want a quality tool you can't really go wrong with an SE.

  • @realtruenorth
    @realtruenorth Před 21 dnem +2

    Two different question: does tonewood matter? Probably not much.
    Does the materiald a guitar made out if affect the final sound of it? Yes, even the wood.

  • @TheExoticXD
    @TheExoticXD Před 26 dny +1

    I'm glad to see someone have an opinion like yours man. I've said for a long time that wood does make a difference, but not in a way that you can hear without a superpower. I think it was Strandberg that put out some charts of a controlled test that show differences that humans won't be able to pick up on without having superhuman hearing.

  • @howardmaryon
    @howardmaryon Před 27 dny +93

    Jim Lill’s methodical demonstrations, Glenn Frickers experiments with speakers and cabinets and mic placement when recording in the studio, and there are several scientific books by German scientists about frequency responses etc, all prove that tonewood in electrics has negligible effect.

    • @BlazonStone
      @BlazonStone Před 27 dny +6

      Exactly this

    • @Kylora2112
      @Kylora2112 Před 25 dny +13

      Paul's entire argument here is "well, but what if non sequitor, then obviously red herring!"

    • @CaptTerrific
      @CaptTerrific Před 25 dny +5

      clearly their speakers, cabinets, microphones, and studios weren't made of quality tonewood

    • @BringMayFlowers
      @BringMayFlowers Před 25 dny +4

      Fender even made a Precision made of resin and cardboard and it sounded like a regular Precision.

    • @ThePhantomnaut
      @ThePhantomnaut Před 25 dny +5

      Paul: “Jim is a nobody. What bands is he in? Glenn yells too much so I don’t care. Also I don’t know German.”

  • @SHENDOH
    @SHENDOH Před 27 dny +48

    That was ridiculous. Pompous windbag

  • @edwardmonsariste4050
    @edwardmonsariste4050 Před 26 dny +1

    I am kind of curious about the tuner buttons.
    When I changed the tuners on my Les Paul from Grovers to Gibson Deluxe, I noticed a change. My first thought was the change is a result from the weight of each tuner assembly.
    I feel it and hear it unplugged.

  • @Eidosgod
    @Eidosgod Před 14 dny

    The topic that always resurrect. The gift that never stop giving.

  • @vitnemec8365
    @vitnemec8365 Před 27 dny +135

    PRS is losing me with every media apperance. He is constantly antagonistic and paranoid. I just saw a "clinic" with audience members out-doing one another. "I have eight Modern Eagles and thirteen McCarthys." "I have seven Silver Skys'." Anytime there was a question that was against the general "praising the Paul" vibe, that person was instantly mocked. The man deserves an Audio audit.

    • @chipsterb4946
      @chipsterb4946 Před 27 dny +12

      I went to a local guitar shop Paul RS was visiting back 20+ years ago. I was interested in his guitars but had only been playing for a couple of years. He was talking to a couple other guys and would not even acknowledge my existence. That’s all I need to know about the man.

    • @chipsterb4946
      @chipsterb4946 Před 20 dny +1

      @@Arnold-vc7es that reply doesn’t make sense here

  • @kennytheamazing
    @kennytheamazing Před 27 dny +106

    If only people spent this effort talking about different types of speakers and cabinet design.

    • @naughtscribe
      @naughtscribe Před 27 dny +27

      Glen Fricker talks about speakers a lot. And he's also not in the "tonewood" camp. I just can't stand his always-pissed-off-and-yelling shtick.

    • @kennytheamazing
      @kennytheamazing Před 27 dny +19

      @@naughtscribe I personally used to watch him a lot, but don't anymore.
      The always yelling thing got a bit old indeed, and it seems that nowadays he's mostly yelling about things that only chronically online people seem to care about.
      It's a shame, I did learn a lot from him but I can't stand his presentation anymore.

    • @alrecks619
      @alrecks619 Před 27 dny +9

      @@naughtscribe jim lill is the guy for you if you can't stand glenn, really.

    • @nihilistlivesmatter
      @nihilistlivesmatter Před 27 dny +5

      @@naughtscribe Fricker sells IR packs but no-one seems to correlate a conflict of instincts as they do with Paul & hardwoods

    • @DetroitWrecker666
      @DetroitWrecker666 Před 27 dny

      ​@nihilistlivesmatter5197 something told me I would see you here! 😆 Hope you are well my friend.

  • @darrinwilson8484
    @darrinwilson8484 Před 21 dnem +1

    this debate rages in the drumming community as well

    • @aaaaa111aaaaa
      @aaaaa111aaaaa Před 3 dny

      Though it makes sense there since a drummer is an acoustic instrument

  • @georgeghleung
    @georgeghleung Před 10 dny +1

    I only care if a piece of wood is durable.
    In that light, which is better, nyatoh or Meranti?

  • @trainsurfer7593
    @trainsurfer7593 Před 27 dny +69

    PRS is giving major "Old man yells at cloud" vibes here...

  • @SilasMoleCatcher
    @SilasMoleCatcher Před 27 dny +49

    It was Jim's video that put the argument to bed for me.

    • @BlazonStone
      @BlazonStone Před 27 dny +4

      It was glorious

    • @triax7006
      @triax7006 Před 26 dny +12

      there were also follow up videos from actual acoustic guitar makers explaining how Jim was correct & how solid body electrics only need to provide a base for the strings to vibrate for the pickups to convert to a signal. The only change would be density & that change would be sustain & amplitude - none of which is related to tone.

    • @jtrocker9976
      @jtrocker9976 Před 26 dny +2

      Yeah same here.

  • @pauliusmscichauskas558
    @pauliusmscichauskas558 Před 21 dnem +3

    He is probably delibirately misrepresenting the argument. No one can be that dense. It seems impossible.

  • @Dr-Curious
    @Dr-Curious Před 5 dny

    Video: 3 Different Necks On The Same Guitar (I’m Shocked) Rhett Shull
    I have heard subtle differences for decades. For me, they seem to absorb energy differently. The energy is bled from the strings via the bridge coupling and Nut/fret seating. Your amp tone can often/variably mask the differences.

  • @therideneverends1697
    @therideneverends1697 Před 27 dny +24

    Ironic, the guy accuses people discounting his magical wood claims "Sitting in their basement on the internet", when the people who put the highest emphasis on that are the "guitars as investment" types who barely touch the things

  • @kevincorbin9875
    @kevincorbin9875 Před 27 dny +178

    Love PRS guitars. Can't stand listening to the dude.

    • @charlesharper7292
      @charlesharper7292 Před 27 dny +18

      The guitar is ok, not my favorite. Paul is an ass.

    • @Tomislav_B.
      @Tomislav_B. Před 27 dny +21

      He's his worst enemy

    • @andreaskarlsson8351
      @andreaskarlsson8351 Před 27 dny +14

      Does the PRS guitars come with a fedora or do you have to buy that separately?

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope Před 27 dny +3

      The maybe biggest impact is a change of picks. The try a metal one or a wooden one. That is a massive change. The wood is only a tiny fraction in comparison to that.

    • @S-T-E-V-E
      @S-T-E-V-E Před 27 dny +24

      He sounds like a drunk guy at a party talking bollocks and annoying everyone!

  • @Iconoplastt
    @Iconoplastt Před 21 dnem +1

    His heart's in the right place but if he started talking about resonance frequencies being higher for Alder than Ash and how that affects a guitar vs a bass would be interesting

  • @masihukari
    @masihukari Před 21 dnem

    Logical and well worded take on "the forever issue." Thank you.

  • @jerkerjansson386
    @jerkerjansson386 Před 27 dny +34

    "Guitar players will do anything but play guitar." Very true!

    • @whatisanamelol
      @whatisanamelol Před 25 dny

      I felt personally attacked. And then realised I'm watching a video instead of playing...haha

    • @AmarettoSour710
      @AmarettoSour710 Před 25 dny

      So true, the amount of money I've spent on gear that I really didn't need (pedals are my main problem). The most important thing is having a guitar with a decent setup and a good quality amplifier. Everything else is just accessories pretty much lol

  • @tomfoolery342
    @tomfoolery342 Před 27 dny +50

    "Guitar Players being the type of people that will do just about anything besides play guitar" was way too funny.....and true!!🤣

    • @chrollo0427
      @chrollo0427 Před 27 dny +2

      How can I find time to play when there are all these tonewoods to look at it😮

    • @henrygvidonas9573
      @henrygvidonas9573 Před 27 dny +1

      Sure because all guitar players are the same, do the same things, have the same opinions...
      Do you understand that there are plenty of guitar players who don't give a toss about any of these discussions and simply don't participate in them? Do you know that there are plenty of guitar players who don't watch CZcams videos by guitar "influencers" either?

    • @tomfoolery342
      @tomfoolery342 Před 27 dny +2

      @@henrygvidonas9573 What color is your PRS?🤣

    • @Trahzy
      @Trahzy Před 27 dny

      Like make drama videos?

  • @jeffberg8015
    @jeffberg8015 Před 22 dny +1

    I can see how the wood could have a very slight effect on the tone. If the guitars body vibrates from resonance, it's imparting it's own little bit of motion to the pickups and strings which could interact with the purer resonances of the strings themselves to add slight undertones to the signal being fed to the amp. Other than that, Jim Lill proved to my satisfaction that any impact it would have is almost negligible. PRS's argument sounds to me like the same sort of twisted logic and ad hominems that flat earthers rely on.

  • @sajisguitar
    @sajisguitar Před 6 dny

    Tonewood does matter for the player alone for electric Guitars. For everyone else it's the magnets and the coil wound around it in either end of the signal chain.

  • @sonicase
    @sonicase Před 27 dny +11

    it's not surprising he's confused as his guitars have so much dye, polish and buffer compounds on it that it doesn't even look like wood anymore

  • @steveclark9934
    @steveclark9934 Před 27 dny +15

    It sounds like a politician talking about something they have absolutely no clue about😂

  • @punkfan97
    @punkfan97 Před 6 dny

    Glenn Fricker has done videos on tone wood with a frequency response graph showing that "tone wood" makes only a microscopic difference as soon as you play through as amplifier and add any gain

  • @zennmasterMZ
    @zennmasterMZ Před 24 dny +1

    Ad Hominem, Shifting the Goalposts, Straw Man and Personal Incredulity. That's a LOT of fallacies in a short time. lol. I love this stuff, keep it up!

  • @sjnix7044
    @sjnix7044 Před 26 dny +25

    My first guitar was a Mako. The body was literally plywood. With some EMGs in it, it was wicked good. I still have it.

    • @toledojavier3619
      @toledojavier3619 Před 22 dny +1

      It probably has a bone saddle

    • @sjnix7044
      @sjnix7044 Před 21 dnem

      @@toledojavier3619 naw, a crappy Fender trem knock off. Plastic top nut. It was like $150 in 87.

  • @coastalgeorgia6558
    @coastalgeorgia6558 Před 27 dny +44

    First problem in TW debate is that it is assumed Tone means good tone instead of simply more or less bass, treble, frequency content with some resonance characteristics.

    • @lazvt8469
      @lazvt8469 Před 27 dny

      I like that argument... I'm not sure why my CS and LSL sound magical compared to a simple USA or Mex...with same/similar pups. What are the real 'qualities' or aspects that my auditory senses are finding most appealing?

    • @keyboardwarrior6296
      @keyboardwarrior6296 Před 26 dny

      @@lazvt8469 The fitment of the neck to the body and other characteristics that affect the transfer of energy between the body and neck, fret material, nut material, the strength with which parts under tension are fastened and are capable of being fastened to the body, saddle material, bridge material, tuner material, trem springs, trem claw, trem block, overall tension of the tremolo system, pickup magnet type, pickup magnet strength, and the resistance of the pickups will all affect the tone of a guitar. LSL has hand-wound pickups, which means that they are likely to be wound according to bespoke specifications preferred by LSL. If not imaginary, the difference you perceive could be any combination of these things.

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Před 8 dny

      no no no I paid more for my guitar wood so it's better sounding! Shut up!

  • @OldGothAndy
    @OldGothAndy Před 22 dny +1

    I think I've actually seen people arguing that the wood fibres in older instruments are affected by the vibrations transmitted through the body, which is why old stradivarius instruments are so sought after.

    • @jf3767
      @jf3767 Před 10 dny

      It's well known that you have to "play in" a decent classical guitar before it sounds it's best. A classical guitar can also "play out" after a number of years, it loses it's tone. I've never heard of a old violin being played out. Ironically, the superior sound of the old Italian violins seems to be down to the tonewoods that they used.

  • @DreidMusicalX
    @DreidMusicalX Před 5 dny

    I agree speakers, cabinets, and pickups are the biggest things that matter. After that, If there is, its not enough to make much difference over what an EQ pedal can change. I have maple and rosewood and its seriously not enough difference to care about. I can change any guitar and make it to what I want it to sound like to match the music I play. I could have you listen to one to another guitar and you would never know what guitar had which wood or what the necks are made of.

  • @Tcoldsteel
    @Tcoldsteel Před 27 dny +59

    For an electric guitar, this makes absolutely no sense at all if you have any idea how magnets and amplification work.

    • @infinidominion
      @infinidominion Před 27 dny +4

      Amplify some nonresonant barely dried wood then some properly treated mahogany with full resonance and there's a difference tho

    • @Traumglanz
      @Traumglanz Před 27 dny +23

      @@infinidominion Jim Lil did even remove the wood completely and there was still no noticeable difference in the signal! ;-)

    • @lazvt8469
      @lazvt8469 Před 27 dny +1

      @@Traumglanz ..."noticeable" is in the ear of the beholder. Better ingredients, better pizza...no?

    • @OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE
      @OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE Před 27 dny +7

      @@infinidominiontell me you didn’t do the research outlined in this video aha

    • @OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE
      @OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE Před 27 dny

      @@lazvt8469no because we can use technology to literally see the signal not change :)

  • @rickyturner2742
    @rickyturner2742 Před 27 dny +62

    Ultimately, the man is a clown. He constantly changes the goal posts to suit his own agenda, no one is arguing about Violins or rubber strings coated in Vaseline.

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny +5

      Rubber strings coated in vaseline feel the best tho

    • @rickyturner2742
      @rickyturner2742 Před 27 dny

      @@DerSilvano Maybe Paul has a fetish he's not telling everyone?

    • @matturner6890
      @matturner6890 Před 27 dny

      Reminds me of when the band teacher goes off on a tear lol

    • @kalidesu
      @kalidesu Před 26 dny

      @@DerSilvano The guy just hates Ukubasses.

    • @schmoemi3386
      @schmoemi3386 Před 26 dny

      Obviously on PRS guitars, the strings are made of (tone)wood, too... 🤔

  • @Drevilbreakfast
    @Drevilbreakfast Před 17 dny +1

    another thing guitar bodies are covered in varnish/ lacquer so that would nullify any tone from the wood

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Před 8 dny

      Or if they are f hole chambered they will have a resonance that over powers any guitar that's not chambered. You could chamber some meh poplar and it would sound better acoustically than any solid body strat.

  • @cedricBUNKERTON
    @cedricBUNKERTON Před 26 dny +2

    love PRS guitars (the ones I can afford), but as for Paul, I've lost about 40% respect for the man based on the twisted ball ends he was just yammering about.

  • @jjcollins
    @jjcollins Před 27 dny +62

    Well according to PRS the tuning pegs affect the tone...then others who have said in the past that the paint changes the tone. Some guitarists have said that paint color changes the tone...and let's not forget Gibson's tone polish. Some people are just full of bs.

    • @75YBA
      @75YBA Před 27 dny +6

      Billy Corgan was pushing this.😂😂😂😂

    • @charlesharper7292
      @charlesharper7292 Před 27 dny

      And they try and play us for stupid to get our money.

    • @jjcollins
      @jjcollins Před 27 dny +1

      @@75YBA exactly 😂 lol

    • @richardharrold9736
      @richardharrold9736 Před 27 dny +2

      Everything affects the tone. If the tuners are made of metal, that will likely transfer more string resonance to the body than plastic ones would. The difference will be minimal and insignificant in the great scheme of things - but I'd be surprised if it was absolutely zero.

    • @Truther85
      @Truther85 Před 27 dny +5

      do not forget the authentic glue but it will cost extra

  • @pattibo3130
    @pattibo3130 Před 27 dny +139

    Tonewood and tone tuners... lost all respect for this man. And the arrogance this sycophant crowed gives him... wow.

    • @richardharrold9736
      @richardharrold9736 Před 27 dny +7

      Tonewood is real. Anyone who disputes this is deaf.

    • @drdoom8793
      @drdoom8793 Před 27 dny +61

      ​@@richardharrold9736anyone who still believes in tonewood in 2024 is delusional 😂 just take the L, my dude

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope Před 27 dny +3

      The maybe biggest impact is a change of picks. The try a metal one or a wooden one. That is a massive change. The wood is only a tiny fraction in comparison to that.

    • @arvetemecha
      @arvetemecha Před 27 dny +10

      @@richardharrold9736 you forgot that part: "certainly for acoustic instruments".

    • @BlueRoseShilloh
      @BlueRoseShilloh Před 27 dny

      @@DMSProduktions Really?! Are you that much of a pearl clutcher that the moment anyone has a progressive opinion you go for the attack and assume things with no reason? To get ahead of you so you can’t go straight for the assumption, i’m trans. Now that we got that out of the way, why are you so butthurt about being challanged about things that don’t matter? Fine you believe in tone wood and others don’t, is that such a big thing for you? Is that really something you need to defend with all your heart till your dying breath? It’s just wood dude, grow up

  • @wesk.2924
    @wesk.2924 Před 26 dny

    Your analysis is incredible. Thank you for teaching folks about logical fallacies.

  • @PierceThirlen2
    @PierceThirlen2 Před 12 dny

    Rhett Shull just performed a tone experiment with 3 different necks on the same body. The all maple neck sounded vastly different than the maple neck with a rosewood fretboard. There was a little bit of difference between the roasted maple neck and the regular maple neck. The density of the wood will affect the guitar's resonant frequency. But wood also has losses and some wood will sustain longer than other types.

  • @the92project
    @the92project Před 27 dny +30

    I was on the fence but Paul just made me realize the truth. Tonewoods don’t matter.

  • @gigsandguitars6921
    @gigsandguitars6921 Před 27 dny +35

    You buy a guitar, plug it into 5-10 pedals, into an amp, out of a speaker, Into a microphone to a mixing desk, out the mixing desk to a PA. Every step has Tone and Gain controls YET people say they can hear a difference in wood! 😂

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny +4

      If I play them a crappy demo of mine from let's say 2017, I bet they couldn't figure out, which wood my guitar was made out of

    • @gigsandguitars6921
      @gigsandguitars6921 Před 27 dny +5

      @@DerSilvano they would say “that doesn’t sound like what *insert wood type here* normally sounds like” 🤣

    • @DerSilvano
      @DerSilvano Před 27 dny

      @@gigsandguitars6921 definitely xD

    • @martin-1965
      @martin-1965 Před 27 dny +6

      Quite - Jimmy Page rocked tracks such as "Kashmir" on a relatively cheap Danelectro that - having bought one myself a few years back - is not made of the finest matured wood from a secret forest in darkest Peru or whatever lol. I love a nice piece of wood on a guitar but mainly for aesthetic reasons such as the look or, most importantly, the feel of the neck/fretboard. The last thing I have ever worried about in almost 50 years of playing is the tone created by the slab of wood the body was made from. I don't care what anyone believes themselves, but Paul R Smith choosing to insult and belittle anyone who disagrees with his bullshit argument is contemptible. I cannot imagine Leo Fender ever talking such nonsense.

    • @benedekgabor.
      @benedekgabor. Před 27 dny +2

      @@martin-1965This is why I look up at Leo. He saw this whole thing with the eyes of an engineer. Don’t get me wrong, I love nicely fininished exotic woods and an instrument that has character and can insipire me, but anyone who uses the argument that tonewoods are thing for electric guitars are either didn’t opened a physics book since elementary school or have money behind it.

  • @saaaantiiiiiiiii
    @saaaantiiiiiiiii Před 23 dny

    the actual influence of wood in sound is not wood itself, it’s the density of it that varies sustain. Any material can do that.

  • @jorgemartinpellegrino6940

    The only time I noticed the wood matters is when 20 years ago bought an am std stratocaster in bad condition repainted. I striped all the paint even the seal and I moved 4 years to a very dry and hot place. The guitar become very light and the guitar sound really well. And the body was made of 3 pieces. So for me that's the secret if vintage guitar. Any piece of well dried wood serve

  • @rockpilerising
    @rockpilerising Před 27 dny +14

    Paul needs to remember his respirator before going into the spray booth. I've been building solid body electric guitars for a few years now and the empirical evidence is that wood type makes sod all difference to the plugged in tone.

  • @SuperSpacebum
    @SuperSpacebum Před 27 dny +44

    Both Jim Lil and Glenn Fricker demonstrated that the impact of tonewood is so minimal.

    • @Cougar139tweak
      @Cougar139tweak Před 27 dny +4

      Glenn's angle is about Metal music though....
      And Jim Lill played two of the same Teles with different pickups clean, guess what?....different tone
      But...Tonewood is more about woodworking then it is about tone
      Just try making a quality instrument with lumber grade pine......

    • @richardharrold9736
      @richardharrold9736 Před 27 dny +3

      And Johan Segeborn demonstrated that the impact of tonewood is considerable and clearly audible.

    • @Tigermaster1986
      @Tigermaster1986 Před 27 dny +8

      Tim Sway's experiment on this matter is the best.
      Personally, I think the wood can affect your playing - if your guitar is too heavy or too light, for example, and it can affect your sustain, but your tone is produced by electric circuits. Wood has no electromagnetic properties. It does not affect the tone.
      If a solid body guitar's acoustic properties mattered, weirdly-shaped guitars wouldn't exist. Instruments like Yamaha's silent guitar wouldn't exist.

    • @keveb4724
      @keveb4724 Před 27 dny +10

      ​@@Cougar139tweakGlenn has done clean tone videos as well, purposefully to stop people saying he's all about metal. And Jim Lills video proved that you can have a perfectly usable electric guitar with no wood whatsoever. The overall argument I've heard is that there is absolutely no need to spend thousands on an overpriced PRS "because tOnEwOoD", instead of a much more affordable option. PRS will always say it makes a massive difference, purely because he needs to sell overpriced guitars upwards of £5k. It's really that simple. It's business

    • @ericvandruten
      @ericvandruten Před 27 dny +2

      That's a bit of a keyboard-warrior argument, and it doesn't do reality justice. Play a PRS core, and you'll know Paul is right.

  • @BIBSTERSrepairshop
    @BIBSTERSrepairshop Před 24 dny

    I like Dylan talks tone take on it where wood does matter but not in tone like neck wood choice is going to effect neck dive way more than it does with tone.

  • @GillBoldberg
    @GillBoldberg Před 18 dny

    10:56 sums it up perfectly.

  • @ryanh1892
    @ryanh1892 Před 27 dny +20

    Dude in front row of that presentation must've had airpod in listening to Meshuggah because his nodding was bordering on headbanging!

  • @gonzoengineering4894
    @gonzoengineering4894 Před 27 dny +34

    Rember, the people most insistent that wood matters because theg "can hear the difference" were convinced for decades that the Stairway solo was a Les Paul through a Marshall stack because of some posters

    • @jamescerone
      @jamescerone Před 25 dny

      Was he using his strat? Or his tele?

    • @jallekulmala1370
      @jallekulmala1370 Před 25 dny +1

      only u my friend

    • @gonzoengineering4894
      @gonzoengineering4894 Před 25 dny

      @@jallekulmala1370 I had the advantage of internet access, but nice try pal

    • @plumbummusic2051
      @plumbummusic2051 Před 24 dny +3

      ​@@jamesceronetelecaster through a supro combo, if I'm not mistaken. The live "LP into a Marshall" sound is still glorious, though.

    • @derekdenton8689
      @derekdenton8689 Před 24 dny

      Page never made any secret of having used a Tele for that solo, even clear back in the mid-70s. He did point out that if you cranked the amp high enough, “it’s bound to sound like a Les Paul.”

  • @CormacTunstead
    @CormacTunstead Před 26 dny +2

    Sitting with my Aristides & laughs in Arium... haha Totally agree that all parts of the guitar contribute to the final tone, even on electric.
    People who "totally" deny that the material or wood doesn't contribute may need to tune their ears...
    & folks who think its a night & day difference also need a reality check...
    On electric guitar WITH distortion, the attack doesn't matter at all. But how the material affects the sustain after the initial attack does matter.

    • @user-lv7ph7hs7l
      @user-lv7ph7hs7l Před 5 dny

      You haven't seen Jim Lills video have you.

    • @CormacTunstead
      @CormacTunstead Před 5 dny

      @@user-lv7ph7hs7l I have not!? What’s this vid title & about?

  • @ellleigh1216
    @ellleigh1216 Před 3 dny

    Best argument I’ve seen for this is on the Anderson’s channel tbf. Exact same Chapman guitar, same amp, hardware, same room, pick, strum in the same place, all the stuff! One guitar is mahogany and one is swamp ash. They sound completely different to me. Sure I think pick ups, amps, speakers make all the difference. But I think it can also make sense the different woods can affect the tone, difference densities and moisture retention in the guitar. Idk I just say what I hear!

  • @rollingstart_90s90
    @rollingstart_90s90 Před 27 dny +14

    The fact that Paul didn't even say something like: "Maple provides a different sound or tonal properties compared to Alder." Going into this video I was convinced that he would straight away go into comparing woods and their "tonal properties", but no... What a weird guy Paul Reed Smith is. He could've atleast TRIED to prove his point of view, but instead he just made up weird stuff, like rubber bridges and smearing vaseline on the strings.

    • @henrygvidonas9573
      @henrygvidonas9573 Před 27 dny +3

      That would actually have been a good approach to a valid argument about the subject. Talking about the different physical properties of pieces of wood from different botanical species and the mechanical effects of different densities, masses, grain structures, etc.
      Instead he just vomited logical fallacies, petty insults, and blathered about unrelated who-the-hell-knows-whats. Put a "rubber bridge" on the most expensive private stock PRS, a good Squier Classic Vibe, and on the cheapest guitar at Walmart - and they will all sound and play like crap. But it will tell you nothing about the tonal qualities of the woods in those guitars. Not a damn thing! Put a "rubber bridge" on a Stradivarius and no violinist on the planet will want to play it on stage or in front of a microphone.
      Even if he was objectively right about everything he's trying to say, Paul would still be unable to convince anyone, except people who are already totally caught up in his little cult of personality. That's how abysmally bad he is at expressing himself and constructing an actual argument. His social awkwardness and arrogant, patronising "rich nerd" attitude don't help with anything either.

  • @algreat2400
    @algreat2400 Před 27 dny +11

    I’ve seen him give a similar speech during a different interview, where he goes completely off of the debate and creates talking points that no one is arguing (acoustic instruments, rubber bridge/nut). You’d have thought that seen as he’s such an expert on this topic, he’d have plenty of data to back it up, like frequency response graphs and A/B recordings that demonstrate these differences in tone. Definitely nothing to do with the fact he’s trying to sell guitars made of expensive wood, and needs more than a reason for customers to drop thousands on them other than “it looks pretty”. I had respect for Paul once upon a time, not sure I do now.

  • @7stringbassist
    @7stringbassist Před 26 dny

    Shame on the crowd for not calling him out!! Agreed that the tuner button thing was pure BS. They don't do locking tuners anymore which has to be to the detriment of the instruments.
    Oh, Chicago Music Exchange is hands down the best guitar shop I've been in. Amazing place.

  • @d.g.charles106
    @d.g.charles106 Před 26 dny +1

    Tone is stored in the knob.