I certainly hope viewers do not consider this show or any other type ..i.e. Downton Abby, Upstairs Downstairs....to be totally historically accurate. Who in their right mind would think preparing Tons of food for an elaborate affair wouldn't require an insane amount of manual! Especially in the late 1800's? Also, why would viewers be upset because the writer's failed to mention that Huge elephant was also on display with the Statue of Liberty's Handheld torch? I for one Not Watch "Soap Opera " shows to gain 100% accurate knowledge of ANYTHING! This show is great escapism entertainment! It's sprinkled with just enough historical info to make it seem like all of the plots, twists & turns actually occured. This is a beautiful show to watch and escape to an era gone by!
I agree that no matter how smart Peggy was someone of Agnes' class would have never employed her as a secretary. Maybe as a housemaid. But not as a personal secretary. But the pairing works for the show. But that situation is more reasonable to me than the other period drama that is a runaway hit. Brigerton. As a black man the fact that the Queen of England is black just was too much of a dramatic leap for me. I watached the first episode and never watched it again.
#John_Henry83 Historians have done extensive research, and while too complicated to explain here, Queen Charlotte did have black ancestry, albeit distant. She was from what is now Germany but she had blood lines that trace to Portugal and a black woman. Early portraits depict her light skin but featu 8:25 res
@@leenam.4578 Thanks for letting me know that. I REALLY enjoy period drama's. I understand dramatic license to make the show interesting. If it were not used the show would just be a documentary. BUT I feel the producers have to stick SOMEWHAT to the reality of the characters and time. As I said I am a black man. And I feel having black characters in a drama just to please modern day audience's sensibilities in INSULTING to me. I am old enough to remember when there were NO black characters in TV shows or Movies. So I know how whitewashed Hollywood used to be. But to me throwing a black actor in a drama for no other reason than to have a black person in the show is just as bad. In other works for me it has to make sense in the historical and geographic context.
@@John_Henry83agreed. Great points you make in this post. As a black woman I don’t like how they made Captain America so integrated in the 40s. I was like “come on son! Just make it historically accurate. It’s alright.” I couldn’t watch Brighterton past one episode either. Peggy would have never been hired as a secretary. Only as a maid or a cook, if that
I don’t watch the crown either. But this show has sucked me in completely I nearly cried when poor Jack didn’t get the patent, I love church too. Peggy is one of my faves.
The Russell family is loosely based on the Vanderbilts, therefore, writers write different story arcs and have the characters behave differently than strictly following the documented history of real people.
I had no idea about the Gilded Age society before this show. Despite the insignificant errors it's a great looking show which had made me research the real characters that the show is based on. Very educational!
They are not errors. They are making a television series and NOT a documentary. The entire premise of this video is incorrect. However, by making so many false claims the video gets people to make comments which turn into profit for the original post.
Great analysis! Finally someone mentions the age problem, it has been bugging me so much that the actress playing Marian is 33 and so skinny and fit. And that Turner is presented as a 'young bride', even Oscar looks so old
Larry is played by an actor a decade older than the character. He had just graduated from Harvard in the first episode. Glady is in her late teens the first season, ready to debut. Taissa is almost 30. I doubt Marian is actually in her 30s, that’s Louisa’s age.
You are correct. According to a podcast, I believe, George is based on Jay Gould, who was considered a “robber baron.” He made his fortune in the railroad industry. Whether he was faithful to his wife, who knows? William Vanderbilt most definitely was unfaithful. Alva Vanderbilt divorced him in 1895 which is unheard of in that time period. Adultery was the only legal grounds for divorce allowed at the trial me.
I absolutely love this series and couldn’t care less if it’s actual or not, it’s a story so it doesn’t have to be. I am so glad that Larry and Marian may get together, a perfect match. I hope they don’t break up George and Bertha. They are the backbone of this series. Can’t wait to see season 3 so bring it on asap.
You make an accurate point about William Vanderbilt. Do not forget Alva sold he daughter for her own purposes and continue to TRY and redeem herself, then jumps on the women’s rights and suffrage movement . Alva and her family rode out the civil war in Paris leaving their slaves in the USA - very charitable ?!? Alva sold herself to the highest bidder knowing full well of the morays , customs and expectations of the times . I’m not condemning or condoning their actions but please keep all their beliefs, behavior, and actions in the time frame they lived in and would have been fully aware at the time of their marriage . They accepted the rules and expectations ,sex, money and power have always been willing partners in life together. Once children were produced separate bedrooms and rich lives beyond what we can imagine. We rival them today, look at Hollywood ,etc the sinario is like a mirror . Food for thought
My daughter started watching. She had to watch season one but when she caught up with the second season. She absolutely Loved it and we're looking forward to season three.❤❤❤
Marian + Larry John + Bridget and they get Rich! Borden + Mrs. Bruce The topper will be that Mrs Russell finds out the Duke is broke but has a title and property and she offers up her daughter Gladys to marry him and give them a proper Dowry! Then she will become the Queen of New York and everyone will want to come to the Met, her Balls, and her daughter's wedding!!👍🏾😳 I love this show❤
A lot of the British aristocracy were cash poor in that period, which is why there were so many American "dollar princesses", American heiresses (usually with their mothers in tow) heading to England to trade their large dowries for the most important title they could buy. But somehow I can't see George allowing Bertha to pimp their daughter out to the Duke just for his presence at the opening night at the MET.
In real life, Consuelo Vanderbilt married the Duke of Marlborough and became the Aunt of Winston Churchill, the son of Jenny Jerome, another very healthy American woman.
You don't need to be a devoted fan to notice mistakes. Any adult (and possibly teen) would be able to observe a Starbucks coffee cup as not being "period". Give people a little credit.
Peggy would never work in the van Ryne house unless she grew up in that house. More suited to Bertha hiring her for her writing skills. Ward McAllister is a relative of my eldest son's paternal grandmother who just turned 100 last month.
Rijn is pronounced Rin as in Rin TinTin NOT Ryan. Van Rijn was also Rembrandt, the painter’s last name. Any time you see a last name start with Van it usually means they are of Dutch decent. Another small detail….
I notice that in many scenes where the Opera Star was singing in the House….the stair way was not split into a left and (right stairway) going to the 2nd floor. It looked as if there was only one (left side) of stairs going to the 2nd floor. The right stairs was completely missing.
I think you're confusing the two houses they have. The New York house goes up to the second level only on the left. It's their Newport house that has a matching stairway on both sides, if I recall. I just checked from the very first episode and into the second season, and the New York house (a set in Long Island) stairway only goes up to the second level on the left, not the right. Their Newport house interiors are an actual house, not a set. Here's the New York house set. media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/62211a7b524511c5a6733960/master/w_1600,c_limit/TGA_103_112012_ACR_00164.jpg Compare to the Newport house stairs about 26 minutes into season 2 episode 1. This was filmed at the Elms in Newport as seen here: buildingsofnewengland.com/2022/12/23/the-elms-stair-and-gallery-hall-1899/
You are what I call a “balloon popper”Someone enjoys something then you pop the balloon, and crap over whatever is enjoyable. Quit popping the balloon on my favorite show.
I’m triggered by the women’s fashion. Zippers and way too much of everything attached to the hats. The trains dragging in the streets. A symmetrical draped fabrics. Satin during the day. I enjoy the story.
Peggy is NOT a spinster. She was married and had a child. Her father didn't approve of the marriage, so she and her husband divorced. Her child was with her ex-husband and new wife before he died.
I too am mildly offended at both you and Professor Dunbar due to the position that Peggy and Agnes relationship could never have happened. There are black families whose lives have been positively impacted by old guard aristocrats who share Agnes’ family support for educating colored people before the civil war. Just because this was not common does not mean the connection was implausible. New money people on the rise like Bertha would be less likely to engage a colored Secretary but the status and security of old money people make this story line though rare, very credible.
People are people this is a different time.. however like today we do things are own way based on our gut feeling. Building relationships and our own needs and beliefs. Certainly not worth making a video about this.. even the strictest of society’s ran their homes as they pleased.
Since Bertha Russell and the wardrobe are my favorite parts of the show, I absolutely noticed she was pregnant.
And, I couldn't tell at all!! Kudos to the costume makers!!
I just want to know where the Starbucks cup went 😂
I certainly hope viewers do not consider this show or any other type ..i.e. Downton Abby, Upstairs Downstairs....to be totally historically accurate. Who in their right mind would think preparing Tons of food for an elaborate affair wouldn't require an insane amount of manual! Especially in the late 1800's? Also, why would viewers be upset because the writer's failed to mention that Huge elephant was also on display with the Statue of Liberty's Handheld torch? I for one Not Watch "Soap Opera " shows to gain 100% accurate knowledge of ANYTHING! This show is great escapism entertainment! It's sprinkled with just enough historical info to make it seem like all of the plots, twists & turns actually occured. This is a beautiful show to watch and escape to an era gone by!
I agree that no matter how smart Peggy was someone of Agnes' class would have never employed her as a secretary. Maybe as a housemaid. But not as a personal secretary. But the pairing works for the show.
But that situation is more reasonable to me than the other period drama that is a runaway hit. Brigerton. As a black man the fact that the Queen of England is black just was too much of a dramatic leap for me. I watached the first episode and never watched it again.
#John_Henry83 Historians have done extensive research, and while too complicated to explain here, Queen Charlotte did have black ancestry, albeit distant. She was from what is now Germany but she had blood lines that trace to Portugal and a black woman. Early portraits depict her light skin but featu 8:25 res
Agreed, on all your points! I couldn't watch Bridgerton. Absolute garbage!
@@leenam.4578 Thanks for letting me know that. I REALLY enjoy period drama's. I understand dramatic license to make the show interesting. If it were not used the show would just be a documentary. BUT I feel the producers have to stick SOMEWHAT to the reality of the characters and time.
As I said I am a black man. And I feel having black characters in a drama just to please modern day audience's sensibilities in INSULTING to me. I am old enough to remember when there were NO black characters in TV shows or Movies. So I know how whitewashed Hollywood used to be. But to me throwing a black actor in a drama for no other reason than to have a black person in the show is just as bad. In other works for me it has to make sense in the historical and geographic context.
@@giuliettamassina7787. Meant to be! Fantasy.
@@John_Henry83agreed. Great points you make in this post. As a black woman I don’t like how they made Captain America so integrated in the 40s. I was like “come on son! Just make it historically accurate. It’s alright.” I couldn’t watch Brighterton past one episode either. Peggy would have never been hired as a secretary. Only as a maid or a cook, if that
I don’t watch the crown either. But this show has sucked me in completely I nearly cried when poor Jack didn’t get the patent, I love church too. Peggy is one of my faves.
According to a panel show with the actors, Mr Russell is based on Jay Gould. His wife and daughter-Vanderbilt
Mr. Russell is based on Jay Gould, who although ruthless in business was a true family man.
The Russell family is loosely based on the Vanderbilts, therefore, writers write different story arcs and have the characters behave differently than strictly following the documented history of real people.
I picked up on this almost immediately. Lol
Look up Jay Gould, the character even looks like him !
I had no idea about the Gilded Age society before this show. Despite the insignificant errors it's a great looking show which had made me research the real characters that the show is based on. Very educational!
They are not errors. They are making a television series and NOT a documentary. The entire premise of this video is incorrect. However, by making so many false claims the video gets people to make comments which turn into profit for the original post.
@GN-cf5lg for more Gilded Age, read The Age of Innocence and The House of Mirth.
Great analysis! Finally someone mentions the age problem, it has been bugging me so much that the actress playing Marian is 33 and so skinny and fit. And that Turner is presented as a 'young bride', even Oscar looks so old
oscar is old. And Marian is too old to be going near Larry, if that is where the show is going.
@@Salmiyaguy1 Why? She's just two years older than he.
@OutlawPlay_ she looks older than her age and he looks younger than his
Larry is played by an actor a decade older than the character. He had just graduated from Harvard in the first episode. Glady is in her late teens the first season, ready to debut. Taissa is almost 30.
I doubt Marian is actually in her 30s, that’s Louisa’s age.
Not errors...just a show. People can look into more realistic life back then .....
I had read that Mr Russell was inspired by Jay Gould, not WIlliam Vanderbilt.
You are correct. According to a podcast, I believe, George is based on Jay Gould, who was considered a “robber baron.” He made his fortune in the railroad industry. Whether he was faithful to his wife, who knows? William Vanderbilt most definitely was unfaithful. Alva Vanderbilt divorced him in 1895 which is unheard of in that time period. Adultery was the only legal grounds for divorce allowed at the trial me.
“Rich people workers”…Seriously?
I absolutely love this series and couldn’t care less if it’s actual or not, it’s a story so it doesn’t have to be. I am so glad that Larry and Marian may get together, a perfect match. I hope they don’t break up George and Bertha. They are the backbone of this series. Can’t wait to see season 3 so bring it on asap.
The whole thing is brilliant. Eye candy, incredible acting, great writing. You just can't lose.
You make an accurate point about William Vanderbilt. Do not forget Alva sold he daughter for her own purposes and continue to TRY and redeem herself, then jumps on the women’s rights and suffrage movement . Alva and her family rode out the civil war in Paris leaving their slaves in the USA - very charitable ?!?
Alva sold herself to the highest bidder knowing full well of the morays , customs and expectations of the times .
I’m not condemning or condoning their actions but please keep all their beliefs, behavior, and actions in the time frame they lived in and would have been fully aware at the time of their marriage . They accepted the rules and expectations ,sex, money and power have always been willing partners in life together. Once children were produced separate bedrooms and rich lives beyond what we can imagine. We rival them today, look at Hollywood ,etc the sinario is like a mirror .
Food for thought
Mores, not morays, which are eels. And scenario, not sinario.
My daughter started watching. She had to watch season one but when she caught up with the second season. She absolutely Loved it and we're looking forward to season three.❤❤❤
George Russell is based on Jay Gould, who was known to be a loving father and devoted husband.
Peggy Scott is based off Ida. B. Wells
Marian + Larry
John + Bridget and they get Rich!
Borden + Mrs. Bruce
The topper will be that Mrs Russell finds out the Duke is broke but has a title and property and she offers up her daughter Gladys to marry him and give them a proper Dowry! Then she will become the Queen of New York and everyone will want to come to the Met, her Balls, and her daughter's wedding!!👍🏾😳
I love this show❤
A lot of the British aristocracy were cash poor in that period, which is why there were so many American "dollar princesses", American heiresses (usually with their mothers in tow) heading to England to trade their large dowries for the most important title they could buy. But somehow I can't see George allowing Bertha to pimp their daughter out to the Duke just for his presence at the opening night at the MET.
Thanks for sharing! Love the series.
In real life, Consuelo Vanderbilt married the Duke of Marlborough and became the Aunt of Winston Churchill, the son of Jenny Jerome, another very healthy American woman.
According to Spector himself, George Russell is based on Jay Gould.
You don't need to be a devoted fan to notice mistakes. Any adult (and possibly teen) would be able to observe a Starbucks coffee cup as not being "period". Give people a little credit.
Peggy would never work in the van Ryne house unless she grew up in that house. More suited to Bertha hiring her for her writing skills. Ward McAllister is a relative of my eldest son's paternal grandmother who just turned 100 last month.
Rijn is pronounced Rin as in Rin TinTin NOT Ryan. Van Rijn was also Rembrandt, the painter’s last name. Any time you see a last name start with Van it usually means they are of Dutch decent. Another small detail….
I notice that in many scenes where the Opera Star was singing in the House….the stair way was not split into a left and (right stairway) going to the 2nd floor.
It looked as if there was only one (left side) of stairs going to the 2nd floor. The right stairs was completely missing.
I think you're confusing the two houses they have. The New York house goes up to the second level only on the left. It's their Newport house that has a matching stairway on both sides, if I recall. I just checked from the very first episode and into the second season, and the New York house (a set in Long Island) stairway only goes up to the second level on the left, not the right. Their Newport house interiors are an actual house, not a set. Here's the New York house set.
media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/62211a7b524511c5a6733960/master/w_1600,c_limit/TGA_103_112012_ACR_00164.jpg
Compare to the Newport house stairs about 26 minutes into season 2 episode 1. This was filmed at the Elms in Newport as seen here:
buildingsofnewengland.com/2022/12/23/the-elms-stair-and-gallery-hall-1899/
Excellent vlog. My wife and I hope series 3 is commissioned 🤞
I truly enjoy the show and all the interesting families
They can't use original houses because most of those homes in NYC have been torn down for decades.
Can’t wait for season 3!!!
So many Broadway royalties on this show!😮
You are what I call a “balloon popper”Someone enjoys something then you pop the balloon, and crap over whatever is enjoyable. Quit popping the balloon on my favorite show.
❤ Love this series. Micheal Pitt is an awesome director
The most inaccurate part is none of these things mentioned are small details or inaccuracies...
I’m triggered by the women’s fashion. Zippers and way too much of everything attached to the hats. The trains dragging in the streets. A symmetrical draped fabrics. Satin during the day. I enjoy the story.
Peggy is NOT a spinster. She was married and had a child. Her father didn't approve of the marriage, so she and her husband divorced. Her child was with her ex-husband and new wife before he died.
Mr Russel was based more on Jay Gould not so much Mr Vanderbilt.
Very interesting!
George Russell is based on Jay Gould not William Vanderbilt.
I too am mildly offended at both you and Professor Dunbar due to the position that Peggy and Agnes relationship could never have happened. There are black families whose lives have been positively impacted by old guard aristocrats who share Agnes’ family support for educating colored people before the civil war. Just because this was not common does not mean the connection was implausible. New money people on the rise like Bertha would be less likely to engage a colored Secretary but the status and security of old money people make this story line though rare, very credible.
Agnes defends Peggy & donates to Peggy's Alma Mata. Yet Agnes didn't want to live "in a Jewish neighborhood". ?
People are people this is a different time.. however like today we do things are own way based on our gut feeling. Building relationships and our own needs and beliefs. Certainly not worth making a video about this.. even the strictest of society’s ran their homes as they pleased.
🙏🏻🫶🏼👌
I don’t believe this
This show is so fake. It’s also SO badly written. The dialogue is AWFUL.