instead of using your own refurbished products in the list, talk about them as an alternative, because people outisde of where you are based won't bother to order (assuming it's even possible)
i get they get some hate for promoting their stuff, but they are running a business. I also bought, influenced by Btodtv, a refurbished Amia for 500 USD. After 4 years I still can't believe how good it is
I bought one MSRP @ $1,200. I've had them replaced twice due to 1) a cylinder failure and 2) a seat tear, but it cost me nothing both times, and it's still an awesome chair. In hindsight, I do wish I picked something with slightly more plush because I am a heavy guy, but this chair was worth every penny. The things I'd like but know what chairs out there offer it: 1. Plushier seat because my tailbone hurts sometimes 2. Wider armrest base 3. Definitely a headrest because I've fallen asleep in this thing so many times, and being 6 foot with no headrest is ass. 4. An overall wider chair/seatpan because I definitely fill this thing in, and I don't feel much freedom to sit differently.
Haworth's new Breck at $400 or so might be a pretty good deal, we need the Chairiffs to give it a review. Also I'd like to see if the Amia Air backrest is good, and if it's worth it to get the lumbar support option for it. Thumbs up!
Interestingly the Colamy chairs have crept into the UK and Europe, and still at the same price band around £228. It would be interesting to find midrange like the OM Yes this side of the water. Even under a different rebranding - but I can't find it oemed by anyone. Keeping an eye out for refurbished Steelcase but I think too many offices are already WFH (or cheap), so volume is low. A interesting observation is that posture gurus seem to say that when actively working you need pelvic support but your mid-back upwards is unlikely to touch the chair. Which is hugely different from how most people sit, slump or hunch.
I'm also a Colamy owner. It's hard to argue against the value for the money give the price, but I would have liked to see a larger seat cushion. Many office chairs have a big enough cushion that I can sit cross-legged in them if I want to switch up positions. I don't want to say the Colamy "forces" you into one way of sitting but it's kind of restrictive, and I'm average height and build. I think bigger people would consider it way too small and limiting. I'd also like to see them mount the arm rest pylons further back on the seat; the way they're vertically mounted, you don't have a lot of room to scoot all the way up to the edge of the desk if the arm rests are up. Higher end chair designs tend to have their arm rest supports positioned much further back for this reason.
Could you look at a bit of a different category? All of those fancy adjustments, especially leaning back are just what I don’t need. I have had a bad back for years now. I need a chair with a back that solidly locks in the forward position: any lean is instant pain. The other adjustments are fine as long as the back stays straight up. TIA Regards
Ordered a Soji to replace the LeapV2 I currently own. The problem with the Leap is I have a pretty wide, uh, behind... and the hinge points for the back press into my thighs. Hoping the Soji fits me better
I have a Humanscale Freedom, Steelcase Leap, Herman Miller Embody and a Haworth Improv currently and had a Haworth Fern and for a newbie that isn't really sure what to buy, get a Leap. My Freedom headrest is top tier though and as I have said before the Gesture's arms are top tier but the Leap's I would say are second. The Embody recline is easily the best, still don't love the arms. Leap's are built like a tank. What's funny is that even though the Embody is built extremely well, my brother who also has a Leap think's it's cheaply built compared to the Leap. My Haworth from the 90s still has the best seat out of them all though. The next chair I am going to buy and try will be an Ekorness Stressless office chair. The massage chair at the end was funny because I am actually planning to buy a massage chair this weekend. For anyone looking you want 3D or 4D with an SL track. lol
The Atlas was the second chair I tried, and it had to go back. The seat was hard, and the lumbar support was too aggressive and didn't quite go high enough for me. It felt like I wasn't able to use the backrest much at all because the lumbar support stuck too far out. It was a really sturdy chair though, so I wanted to like it. Very good build quality! We're all built different and have different needs, so sometimes we just need to disregard what we read or watch and try for ourselves. It was awful for me but could be perfect for someone else. Stay away from the clatina mellet. Bad build quality, bad headrest, bad back, bad seat, amazing recline, and bad company. The Amia was the 4th chair I tried, and it's the one I'm keeping. The seat could be a little softer, but I like the firm back and less aggressive lumbar support. It's a chair, functions like a chair, no frills and no fuss. I am looking at buying a second one for my home computer later this year. Found out about the chair through this channel I think, and it's the one I'd recommend to anyone.
If the goal for someone is exclusively to correct really bad posture and constantly sitting in office chairs the "wrong" way, is the Anthros chair worth it over these picks, or will a Leap V2 or Aeron do the same thing?
What they don't tell you about the Colamy chair is that the armrest don't offer any support, they rattle and the adjustment is to easy to adjust meaning that it doesn't hold the position that you set and are knocked out of adjustment way to easily upon any contact with the armrest. I bought this chair on their recommendation and I wish they would have mentioned this prior to purchase because this would have been a deal breaker for me. I'm very dissatisfied with my purchase and have found myself questioning all of these reviews.
We have discussed that the Colamy arms move more freely than we'd like. But it doesn't change the fact that it is still the most complete chair under $300. Question all you want, but you won't get better information than on our channel for such a wide range of office chairs and accessories -Greg
I was so lucky to pick up a Mirra 1 for about 200 bucks 4 years ago and then stumbled upon a Zody 1 for just under 80 last year. All fully featured. At this point, I'm just waiting for a 400 dollar Aeron Remastered to show up but I think my luck's run out.
Those are both great deals. I'd be thrilled to find a Remastered for $400. Keep looking, eventually someone will be selling a remastered for "classic" money. - Robert
For someone who is primarily seeking lumbar support as the main feature, which of the Ticova or the Colamy Kirin would you suggest as the better option? Thanks! Your videos are very informative.
We have not! But something to consider for the future. We do have a Steelcase Gesture arriving any day with a headrest. We haven't shared that on the channel yet -Greg
My old job had the zody and it's prob my favorite chair out of the 383837 chairs I've tried. I own multiple task chairs I no longer use due to crappy seat cushions (fern, leap v2, etc). The chair features don't mean anything if it's extremely uncomfortable to sit on. I could sit in the zody all day long . Thinking about buying the zody
In Europe the Colamy costs 379 Euros and the Ticova is 139. Is the price increase worth it? Edit: Can you guys maybe talk about Haworth warranty in Europe. It's much worse and devalues haworth products.
I was considering buying a Soji after talking myself off the ledge from buying a Fern spec’d how I wanted for $1,800 but all this talk of “it sits firm” doesn’t sound great to me… sits firm kind of translates to uncomfortable in my mind; is that true, and if so then why is it a pick?
The problem is just like you can't get the US chairs, we can't get the chairs from Europe. We try to fit in at least a few chairs that we know are available across the pond. - Robert
What would you recommend for a chair with pull out footrest? Or would you recommend avoiding chairs with them? (under $800 though the lower the better since I'm on a low budget)
@@btodtv Man, you have to try it. The instant you sit in one (I'm only speaking about the high back, I never tried the mesh one,) you'll understand. It's almost like tempurpedic decided to make a chair, so the result is something you can sit in for hours without feeling the need to shift around. I could go on gushing, but if you have a Relax The Back near you then you really owe it to yourself to try it in their showroom.
Im 6’2 and I have long legs and short torso . I am very uncomfortable on any chair with less than 58cm/22 inches seat height . Most of the chairs recommend here are around the 21 inch mark . Any recommendations for me? My budget is around 500 euros
@@BlaXXXima thanks for the suggestion. I got a used mirra 2 butterfly back for 300 euros . Its specked up and suits me well . Only gripe i have is I realised I might prefer cushion seat compared to mesh as i feel the edge plastic presses onto my thighs a bit too much
IMO the Atlas is garbage. The mechanism is so weak. Even at max tension, in the upright position, when you sit in the chair and utilize the lumbar, it just reclines back and hits the back stop rest, and this causes wrist pain on your desk.
If they only sell it online, then unfortunately, there's no way to try it before buying, meaning that you'd need to rely on a good returns policy. However, quite a lot of these high-end office chairs are available to try in showrooms.
How is the Fern if built with a Plastic base, lumbar no head rest with mesh and 4d arms? I've read that multiple people say it has build quality issues and feels very cheap.
If they are having a sale, like Haworth is, then I would expect the prices to be lower. Those prices will go back up and everyone will say our prices are too low then ;) -Greg
I have a leap v2 and I dislike it. My butt hurts, I need something with more cushioning. I've tried an extra cushion but then it slides around. I'm now looking at one of those cheaper chairs. Steel case wasn't worth the money to me.
instead of using your own refurbished products in the list, talk about them as an alternative, because people outisde of where you are based won't bother to order (assuming it's even possible)
I bought a good used Leap V2 as a result of listening to the BTODtv channel. Life changing, literally.
i get they get some hate for promoting their stuff, but they are running a business. I also bought, influenced by Btodtv, a refurbished Amia for 500 USD. After 4 years I still can't believe how good it is
I always sit very strange in my chair with my knees up and sideways would this chair work?
I bought one MSRP @ $1,200. I've had them replaced twice due to 1) a cylinder failure and 2) a seat tear, but it cost me nothing both times, and it's still an awesome chair. In hindsight, I do wish I picked something with slightly more plush because I am a heavy guy, but this chair was worth every penny.
The things I'd like but know what chairs out there offer it:
1. Plushier seat because my tailbone hurts sometimes
2. Wider armrest base
3. Definitely a headrest because I've fallen asleep in this thing so many times, and being 6 foot with no headrest is ass.
4. An overall wider chair/seatpan because I definitely fill this thing in, and I don't feel much freedom to sit differently.
@@domosapien Yes, I thought this chair could be best if it was a bit plushier. BTOD guys, do you know of any?
The humour is just 🤣🤣 spot on 👨🏼🍳
I bought an Aeron a few years ago from an office building that closed down for only $250. Absolute steal
Haworth's new Breck at $400 or so might be a pretty good deal, we need the Chairiffs to give it a review. Also I'd like to see if the Amia Air backrest is good, and if it's worth it to get the lumbar support option for it. Thumbs up!
The Breck is on the way to the office! Stay tuned. - Robert
Interestingly the Colamy chairs have crept into the UK and Europe, and still at the same price band around £228. It would be interesting to find midrange like the OM Yes this side of the water. Even under a different rebranding - but I can't find it oemed by anyone. Keeping an eye out for refurbished Steelcase but I think too many offices are already WFH (or cheap), so volume is low.
A interesting observation is that posture gurus seem to say that when actively working you need pelvic support but your mid-back upwards is unlikely to touch the chair. Which is hugely different from how most people sit, slump or hunch.
i just pissed on my wall
Outside or inside?
Was it on the walls of Jericho?
Hell yeah brother
Niceeee
I truly appreciate this. It's good to hear people honestly nerd about these chairs. Truly appreciated. Thank you. It's helping me choose
its wierd that after all these years, Purple did not get into the chair market yet.
I'm also a Colamy owner. It's hard to argue against the value for the money give the price, but I would have liked to see a larger seat cushion. Many office chairs have a big enough cushion that I can sit cross-legged in them if I want to switch up positions. I don't want to say the Colamy "forces" you into one way of sitting but it's kind of restrictive, and I'm average height and build. I think bigger people would consider it way too small and limiting.
I'd also like to see them mount the arm rest pylons further back on the seat; the way they're vertically mounted, you don't have a lot of room to scoot all the way up to the edge of the desk if the arm rests are up. Higher end chair designs tend to have their arm rest supports positioned much further back for this reason.
Could you look at a bit of a different category?
All of those fancy adjustments, especially leaning back are just what I don’t need. I have had a bad back for years now. I need a chair with a back that solidly locks in the forward position: any lean is instant pain. The other adjustments are fine as long as the back stays straight up.
TIA
Regards
Ordered a Soji to replace the LeapV2 I currently own. The problem with the Leap is I have a pretty wide, uh, behind... and the hinge points for the back press into my thighs. Hoping the Soji fits me better
I have a Humanscale Freedom, Steelcase Leap, Herman Miller Embody and a Haworth Improv currently and had a Haworth Fern and for a newbie that isn't really sure what to buy, get a Leap. My Freedom headrest is top tier though and as I have said before the Gesture's arms are top tier but the Leap's I would say are second. The Embody recline is easily the best, still don't love the arms. Leap's are built like a tank. What's funny is that even though the Embody is built extremely well, my brother who also has a Leap think's it's cheaply built compared to the Leap. My Haworth from the 90s still has the best seat out of them all though. The next chair I am going to buy and try will be an Ekorness Stressless office chair. The massage chair at the end was funny because I am actually planning to buy a massage chair this weekend. For anyone looking you want 3D or 4D with an SL track. lol
I was expecting the Anthros chair, total curve ball lol! Also, editors, we can tell you had fun with this video, we love the memes!
If the editors made picks the Anthros would definitely be on the list! Also I agree, Frances crushed the edit on this one! - Robert
Oh no! Now i want to see the Ergody chair 😢
Coming soon.......
Just Kidding
-Greg
The Atlas was the second chair I tried, and it had to go back. The seat was hard, and the lumbar support was too aggressive and didn't quite go high enough for me. It felt like I wasn't able to use the backrest much at all because the lumbar support stuck too far out. It was a really sturdy chair though, so I wanted to like it. Very good build quality! We're all built different and have different needs, so sometimes we just need to disregard what we read or watch and try for ourselves. It was awful for me but could be perfect for someone else.
Stay away from the clatina mellet. Bad build quality, bad headrest, bad back, bad seat, amazing recline, and bad company.
The Amia was the 4th chair I tried, and it's the one I'm keeping. The seat could be a little softer, but I like the firm back and less aggressive lumbar support. It's a chair, functions like a chair, no frills and no fuss. I am looking at buying a second one for my home computer later this year. Found out about the chair through this channel I think, and it's the one I'd recommend to anyone.
Bought refurbished steel case chair from you guys for my hubby! now I want one of my own
I play 8-10 hrs daily. Is Zody better than the Soji? Torn on which one to get. Plus which foot rest should I get?
If the goal for someone is exclusively to correct really bad posture and constantly sitting in office chairs the "wrong" way, is the Anthros chair worth it over these picks, or will a Leap V2 or Aeron do the same thing?
What would you recommend between the Amia or Ameap or Soji? Thanks
aeron >> LEAP IMO. leap seat is hard as a rock
Only if you weigh over 250lbs
@@fabscams4136 i weigh 60kg and prefer aeron
@fabscams4136 That's not always true, I've got skinny friends that prefer the Amia's seat over the Leap's.
What they don't tell you about the Colamy chair is that the armrest don't offer any support, they rattle and the adjustment is to easy to adjust meaning that it doesn't hold the position that you set and are knocked out of adjustment way to easily upon any contact with the armrest. I bought this chair on their recommendation and I wish they would have mentioned this prior to purchase because this would have been a deal breaker for me. I'm very dissatisfied with my purchase and have found myself questioning all of these reviews.
We have discussed that the Colamy arms move more freely than we'd like. But it doesn't change the fact that it is still the most complete chair under $300. Question all you want, but you won't get better information than on our channel for such a wide range of office chairs and accessories -Greg
I aspire to reach the levels of curiosity and specificity of Robert and his chair collection
Haha....Robert's collection of hard to find chairs is always growing :) -Greg
Unless a chair is cooking and doing my job for me, I'm not gonna pay over $ 1000 for one😂😂.
LMAO! The ending was too funny.
I was so lucky to pick up a Mirra 1 for about 200 bucks 4 years ago and then stumbled upon a Zody 1 for just under 80 last year. All fully featured. At this point, I'm just waiting for a 400 dollar Aeron Remastered to show up but I think my luck's run out.
Those are both great deals. I'd be thrilled to find a Remastered for $400. Keep looking, eventually someone will be selling a remastered for "classic" money. - Robert
For someone who is primarily seeking lumbar support as the main feature, which of the Ticova or the Colamy Kirin would you suggest as the better option? Thanks! Your videos are very informative.
Ticova - Ryan
Have you ever tested the Haworth Zody with the executive headrest option? No one ever seems to have it, is it that bad?
We have not! But something to consider for the future. We do have a Steelcase Gesture arriving any day with a headrest. We haven't shared that on the channel yet -Greg
I think I tried it at a showroom last year. The Zody is a great chair, not sure why it doesn’t get more love.
My old job had the zody and it's prob my favorite chair out of the 383837 chairs I've tried. I own multiple task chairs I no longer use due to crappy seat cushions (fern, leap v2, etc). The chair features don't mean anything if it's extremely uncomfortable to sit on. I could sit in the zody all day long . Thinking about buying the zody
In Europe the Colamy costs 379 Euros and the Ticova is 139. Is the price increase worth it?
Edit: Can you guys maybe talk about Haworth warranty in Europe. It's much worse and devalues haworth products.
now i wanna try that massage chair over anything
I was considering buying a Soji after talking myself off the ledge from buying a Fern spec’d how I wanted for $1,800 but all this talk of “it sits firm” doesn’t sound great to me… sits firm kind of translates to uncomfortable in my mind; is that true, and if so then why is it a pick?
I would enjoy working with BTOD guys.
Would love it if you were able to make a video for european buyers, a lot of these chairs are only for amazon US and they don't even ship to Europe!
The problem is just like you can't get the US chairs, we can't get the chairs from Europe. We try to fit in at least a few chairs that we know are available across the pond. - Robert
What would you recommend for a chair with pull out footrest? Or would you recommend avoiding chairs with them? (under $800 though the lower the better since I'm on a low budget)
One of the highest quality videos on any product I’ve seen in a long time. Descriptive, informative and fun to listen to
I had the Atlas and feel like the Assure is a better chair. It's not great, but the Atlas was really small and the seat was super uncomfortable.
I was unironically waiting for Greg's high end chair because he's the same height as me. DX
LOL, sorry about that. It is still the Lamia :) -Greg
It doesn't look like your link for the Colamy Atlas is right. It pulls up a different chair than the one you show in the video.
could you guys a review on the hbada E3 chair?
Coming soon! - Ryan
Hey guys, what about the sihoo s300?
the video we really needed
Glad it was helpful for you!! - Robert
Do y’all think it’s more ergonomically sound to work with keyboard and mouse on an adjustable desk or on a keyboard tray?
What’s the difference of digital knit and mesh
hey guys should i buy the calami atlas or the ticova.? normally i would have about 200$ but if its a big differents im willing to pay the 50$ more
LOL, how do you not have a Lifeform on your list for $1k+? It beats all of the other chairs, hands-down (I prefer the high back, myself.)
Because most posts about that chair feel disingenuous -Greg
@@btodtv Man, you have to try it. The instant you sit in one (I'm only speaking about the high back, I never tried the mesh one,) you'll understand. It's almost like tempurpedic decided to make a chair, so the result is something you can sit in for hours without feeling the need to shift around.
I could go on gushing, but if you have a Relax The Back near you then you really owe it to yourself to try it in their showroom.
11:00 You need to go to thailand for "everything".
Why did Ryan chose Leap over Fern?
Hey Ryan did you get the Haworth Fern with the forward tilt?
just bought the colamy! excited to try it!
was it a good chair
@@kyogre342 yessir. Sitting in it right now. I'd say it's great value
@@rwjfavoriteredneckwhich one
@@3xternal570 the $250 one
So are you guys planning on Lamia stools after Robert made one? 👀
Between the Lamia and the Anthros, which chair do you guys like better?
Lamia is way cheaper, and more versatile.
Is the Zody II better than the Fern?
You guys should take a look at the interstuhl PUREis3 PU113, it's made in Germany
We have this and it isn't a great everyday office chair. Way too much movement in this one to get comfortable for a long period -Greg
Im 6’2 and I have long legs and short torso . I am very uncomfortable on any chair with less than 58cm/22 inches seat height . Most of the chairs recommend here are around the 21 inch mark . Any recommendations for me? My budget is around 500 euros
Get a Leap (used, off Marketplace), and an extended height cylinder.
@@BlaXXXima thanks for the suggestion. I got a used mirra 2 butterfly back for 300 euros . Its specked up and suits me well . Only gripe i have is I realised I might prefer cushion seat compared to mesh as i feel the edge plastic presses onto my thighs a bit too much
Are they shipping to Europe, particularly to Portugal? I mean Btod
IMO the Atlas is garbage. The mechanism is so weak. Even at max tension, in the upright position, when you sit in the chair and utilize the lumbar, it just reclines back and hits the back stop rest, and this causes wrist pain on your desk.
Where is a good place to try out these chairs before buying?
If they only sell it online, then unfortunately, there's no way to try it before buying, meaning that you'd need to rely on a good returns policy.
However, quite a lot of these high-end office chairs are available to try in showrooms.
Can't get the Atlas in Australia....
that was too f-funny
Has the team ever done a straight up draft, just for kicks?
LOVE this idea!!! Would be fun for a live stream. - Robert
Neh guys, you are obviously not siting on Aeron much. Sitting on the mesh makes your legs numb as it is too hard of a surface.
I don't like the Aeron much, for that exact reason, especially the classic version -Greg
How is the Fern if built with a Plastic base, lumbar no head rest with mesh and 4d arms? I've read that multiple people say it has build quality issues and feels very cheap.
U can upgrade that if ur willing to pay more.
nice
No chair from Allsteel or HON? 👀
Seriously though, why do stool versions of some of these high end chairs exists?
For artists?
you should open a market in europe
Not sure what's going on but most all the prices you quoted are way less on the sites?
If they are having a sale, like Haworth is, then I would expect the prices to be lower. Those prices will go back up and everyone will say our prices are too low then ;) -Greg
Man so many non-mesh seats. I can't deal with my ass insulated and sweating while aitting for hours.
Every price man😔😔i was looking for under 200$ at least or mby 150...not start w 300$ and go up to 1000 and more😔😭😭good video tho...
Ticova and Colamy Kirin are our top picks under $200. -Ryan
Did i miss Herman Miller in any of the vid?
Final price tier -Greg
This must be an advertisement
For who? -Ryan
Expensive
No love for the BTOD Lamia
I have a leap v2 and I dislike it. My butt hurts, I need something with more cushioning. I've tried an extra cushion but then it slides around. I'm now looking at one of those cheaper chairs. Steel case wasn't worth the money to me.
too bad if you can t spend more than 100 bucks on a chair, sucks for you (and me currently)
yay!
No voting for lunatics
Totally useless review. How can you make a list like this and not include a single leather chair?
For every price starts at 300 for something to sit in hahahha.