Has Microsoft Done Enough This Year? Surface Pro 9 vs Surface Pro 8
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- In this video we compare the new Surface Pro 9 vs last years Surface Pro 8 to see if the premium price of the new 9 is worth it!
Surface pro 9 review: • Surface Pro 9 Review
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:33 - Specs
0:01:14 - Colour Options
0:01:37 - Type Covers, Keyboard, and Pens
0:02:23 - Externals
0:03:24 - Ports
0:05:06 - Cooling
0:05:31 - Upgradability
0:06:26 - Screens
0:07:12 - Speakers
0:8:35 - Webcams and Windows Hello
0:9:15 - Performance
0:11:38 - Battery Life and Performance
0:12:14 - PSUs
0:12:47 - Conclusion
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Microsoft is becoming like Apple in all the wrong ways. Taking away features like a headphone jack for no reason, and raising the prices, is really not great.
Yes it is such a shame. I love surface devices but they are becoming hard to recommend, it always seems better to buy the previous gen in the sale!
@@MashITTech what’s your opinion of surface pro’s vs Lenovo Yoga’s?
I want a light portable touchscreen ‘tablet’ style device which an iPad functions as, but I want proper USB ports and also the ability to install and run linux distros and you can’t run linux on iPads, I would need a MacBook Air to get USB ports and dualboot linux but then I’m stuck with the keyboard when most of the time I want the convenience of a touchscreen tablet sized device.
The Surface Pro’s and Lenovo Yogas seem the better options?
Neither are specifically ‘linux compatible’ but both with work with linux compatible wifi usb dongles and headphone ports of Bluetooth drivers don’t work with linux etc while the iPad pros seem very limiting
But which one is best value for light multitasking and content/video watching etc?
Thanks
@@impermanenthuman8427 they’re basically the same, down to your preference/ budget at that point
I've got my surface 4 still. But going for an apple macbook air to go alongside my ipad mini - both amazingly good devices for my needs and years of updates!
I mean they still have a headphone jack just only in the go models
This really helped me choose! I needed something for school (some coding, note taking etc) and i didn't know if i should spend the extra money for the newer device. My PC at home runs all the heavy stuff, just needed something light and portable for uni, so the SP8 will be a much better deal for me. Thank you!
Don't worry about it, dad's got you covered.
Couldn't ask for a better review great job covering all most important aspects without overdoing anything! Keep it up man
Thanks, will do! :)
This is exactly the question I'm looking at for work, thank you for addressing this. As an office worker type, for my use the improvements are nice to see but not useful and the price difference not meaningful - work is paying. Your camera test in particular was nicely done. I've saved a few (Canadian dollars) by ordering the bundle through Costco and despite the unfortunate lack of fun colour, am quite happy with the deal at the moment.
So which one did you buy ? I am planning to buy one i am a medical student and don't need high performance eithe r.which one should I buy ?
@@sweekritimalla536the cheaper one, get at least 16GB of RAM.
I like the Microsoft Pro, but how they can justify $448 to replace a $10 battery by a premium week turn around service then get "lost" (stolen) for two months and then give a three month extended warranty as compensation. The hardest part to swallow is I rarely used it unplugged.
Thank you guys. Much appreciated (and needed!).
What a nice video. I'm thinking about getting SP9 for daily work but, does it works good with Remot Desktop connections, outlook, teams and all that stuff?
Another great, quality video. Always looking forward to your reviews man.
Thank you mate 😃
I was in the same position needing an upgrade on my old laptop, and needed one for work as well as personal. So I needed all the MS software, but nothing cpu intensive. And the SP9 wasn't enough of an upgrade to justify the already high price tag. So I now have the SP8. I also looked at the Macbook Air, and it being not upgradable at all, no touch screen, and possibly not so compatible with MS software, it got pushed aside rather quickly.
Dang dude keep coming back to your channel awesome stuff!
Thanks mate, strangely enough I used to watch your videos a while back (assuming you are the Serge!?!) are you still making content?
I am in the market for one of these for Christmas and this is probably one of the better reviews out there comparing the two, looks like the Surface Pro 8 is the one for me given the costs and the functions that I need it for! Subscribed, keep up the great work!
Thank you 😊
Thanks so much !!! 😊 You really made things go smoothly and easy 👍👍👍
The Perfect video. This is a guideline for any CZcamsr on how compare 2 products. Congrats
I liked your video very much. I've seen many, but your video shows most of the information. The internals comparison was also super helpful. thanks
Glad it was helpful! :)
I am planning on getting the surface pro 9 and you did make it easy and I have to go with my heart. Thank you for the help.
that chair looks pretty nice, but i would probably go with a Gray Fabric version, probably XL too
I bought a Surface Pro 8, two months ago for $1321, $478 less than the rrp in Australia of $1799 and it runs very smoothly. Mainly use Word and One Note. This review was the one I was looking for except I would have liked you to test both in Recommended mode, as that is what I use and is the default set on the device. Mainly battery life and geekbench scores and perhaps at 60% brightness as that is what mine mainly goes to. I think 200 nits is too low for normal use.
Ah, sorry. I didn’t think to test that. I leave mine in best performance
Another thing to keep in mind is the design flexibility for repairing. Surface 8 is tough to repair compared to the higher design flexibility of Surface 9 repairing. That aspect should be seen too.
I and most people never buy for repairability as I expect a product from MS to last five years without any issues. I have had none that have broken down and I certainly would not care about how modular the SP8/9 are.
wait, does surface have problem often?
😂😂😂
@@andyH_England how about something like replace the battery which usually wear after 1-2 year
@@GiangNguyen-ne9hm batteries are replaceable by OEMs. And if yours goes in two years then you are abusing it. I have a six year old MacBook that is still over 80% capacity.
Excellent comparison. Just what I was looking for as I look to upgrade from my ancient Surface Pro 3.
ancient 😅
Same here!
Same!
Wow exact same situation here. Old girl finally gave out on me. Got me through college though your sacrifice will not be in vain. ;)
I just did that exact upgrade from my Surface Pro 3 to the Surface Pro 9 - Night and day - I upgraded when I couldn't update to Win11
Excellent review - thanks for the effort
Had a SP5 in my old job, loved it. A real multi-tasker. Would take this over a Apple product, not even close.
here in Canada they are shipping 65W power adapters with these machines.
really looking forward to the egpu testing! just puchased a SP8 and want to get an EGPU
My egpu is working great on my SP8 but nothing I have tried can get my SP9 to work! I know others have had some success but I haven't yet :(
hello! I am torn between the two: surface pro 8 i7 vs surface pro 9 i5. If same price, which item you recommend to get?
What is the name of the powerbank you used in your video?
Great detailed comparison, thank you. I was considering buying a Surface Pro 9, and now I might even go for 8.
i assume that music you used for the test is what you drive around listening to in your car
😂 I only listen to classical music!
Good video, Its a shame they reduced the battery size and removed the headphone jack, that to me makes the surface 8 better. even for the 30% power increase of the 9.
Just got the i7 16gb SP8 for $950 and I am happy after seeing the video!
I have the Surf Pro 8 & have been using it for about a year now. Upgrading to the Surf Pro 9 may not be worth the Price.
Any updates on the egpu performance tests?
I'm satisfied with slim pen2 so I won't consider V3 now, but I want to know if I use Pro10(165u) and 4060ti(egpu) to play games like Forza Horizon5,will it perform better than my current gaming laptop with Ryzen 4800H and 3060 laptop?
A very good job done and very meaningful content I was searching for.......much appreciated for this content 👍
Are you sure firmware update has enabled vrr because I don't have it yet and mines updated af
Does surface Pro 9 have flickering/Ghosting and battery drain issue?
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Geat review. One questions that I have is the fan noise. I have Surface pro 6 fanless that work great still.
Yes sorry I put fan noise in the original reviews but stupidly forgot that section in this comparison! They both have fans but the fans are much more pleasant than the old SP4-7 i7 versions if you have heard those
The SQ3 model actually don’t have USB4 ports, they are just USB3.2
Watching this on my Surface Pro 8. I definitly like having the heaphone jack on there. It's an important feature for a laptop/pc.
I was surprised you mentioned that the Surface Pro 8 got dynamic refresh rate with a firmware update. My Surface Pro 8 has the latest firmware and it doesn’t have DRR. The only way I was able to get DDR was by manually installing the Intel display drivers. I was then able to enable it. Interestingly if you try to get an updated display driver through Device Manager, and have the newer Intel driver installed, it will revert back to the original drivers thus removing DDR. I had to again reinstall the Intel drivers using their Intel Driver and Support Assistant app.
I'd suggest being careful with the Intel drivers as I too used them for a while. The latest updates are using that ARC thing and although the site says it's compatible with the Intel Xe graphics, the latest versions started messing with my machine - causing screen crashes and total lock ups. I finally uninstalled all of that and went back to the MS OEM driver and all the problems went away. The thing about the Intel drivers are that they may not include the OEM specific device updates that MS provides for the Surface and that could potentially cause issues, as it eventually seemed to do to me.
@@lawrencetaylor2474 Haven’t had any issues yet. In fact its running better. But I did disable the ARC element of the driver, perhaps that helped.
The Intel 12th Gen U series CPU definitely matters if battery life and performance are deal breakers.
Otherwise save money and get the Surface Pro 8. With the Intel i7 11gen CPU is good for any mid-level performance type of work.
great comparison thank u!
I have using my Surface Pro 9 for monthes. The drawback is the removed 3.5 headphone jack, forcing me to use wireless headphones instead. The left are merits. It is easy to carry out everyone. And the annotation on the pixel sense is the best for some applications only on desktop systeme. The most amazing is the SSD-slot that I have inserted a 2TB ssd after its purchase.
I'd like to think that they intentionally changed the placements of the ports to easily identify which is which. Those 2 are basically identical.
Thx for an honest review.
Please do a review on MacBook Pro 16” M2 Max 32gb 1TB
thanks for a nice review. Just have a little feedback, relating to how I would have found it to be more useful towards a more sound purchasing decision, as most of your viewers might be doing just like myself. While all the syn. cpu benchmark scores tell us a bit of the potential performance characteristics of the processor, I think what would be helpful is to actually focus on day to day use cases more, where it really matters. It's similar to buying cars, super sport cars capable of 180mph speeds, vs everyday Corollas that is just fine around town, say in London streets. Where would you actually use that 500hp engine and sticky handling. I'd say it's quite useless. So, back to the tablet, most gamers will be looking elsewhere, and others needing multi-core processing power will be looking for the "h" variant, or "p" for Intel. I would venture to say that most surface pro users are going to be browsing, utilizing MS Office automation software etc.... so does the 9th gen multi-core processor really matter? in every day browsing, powerpoint presentation, will I notice a difference, what about media consumption? using cyberlink dvd software, where the real actual everyday use "really is".... just food for thought.
Thank you mate, I appreciate the feedback, it can be very hard trying to cater a comparison for everyone so your info will help for future comparisons.
Hmmn I want a surface pro Device I'm long overdue. I'm not sure if I should get one or another tablet.
My buddy gets Microsoft discounts so I would get a 256gb and upgrade few weeks later. Ces 2023 is showcasing new stuff now.
I'll probably check out lenovo,Asus,etc..
Good video. I guess if the 12th Gen CPU along with the faster RAM is something that a person is looking for, than yes, the new Pro 9 will more than enough. If the 12th Gen CPU and faster RAM is no big deal for a person, than no, it's not enough for an upgrade. Personally, I would recommend the Pro 9 over the Pro 8 any day of the week.
I got a SP8 (new) base spec for £600 about 5 months ago, and the SP9 retails for £1100, so for me I would choose the SP8 without hesitation. Of course, with time the SP9 will be discounted, and the story may change then. But in the here and now, easy choice for SP8.
@@andyH_England With that said, you can use that scenario every time a new version comes out. When the Surface Pro 10 comes out the price of the Pro 9 will drop drastically, and you will say the exact same thing.
@@andyH_England How's the experience? I'm thinking also of giving the base model a go - I can deal with the hard drive, it's just the 8GB of RAM that worries me as intend to use for large spreadsheets / data modelling...
I would use a Surface Pro for recording in my studio. Are they both fanless? I can't have fan noise when recording.
They do have fan to cool down, and they kick in quickly even just browsing internet
@@Mr-Noro Ok thanks. That rules them out for me then.
Thanks for the comparison. I went with the 9 because i just have to have the latest tech. How do you feel about them not releasing a new surface pro this year?
disappointed but with how boring the SLS and SLG were I am almost glad they didn't release it, maybe when we get Intels new CPUs which finally improve onboard graphics and architecture they will release a surface worth upgrading to
Still usings a Dell Inspiron 1545 from that I got back in 2009. At this point anyhting is better than what im using atm.
Is 256GB enough? If yes then going for Pro 8 seems like a better decision to save some money. any advice? I do have the 1TB one drive and also 2TB google drive plans. So, in that situation would you recommend going for 256GB?
Go with 256, replace the card yourself.
@@TripleE76 thanks. I bought the 512 GB from Microsoft directly
Mate I had the same dilemma. I solved it by NAS, best decision
@@satyanveshi1939 NAS? what is that
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Great comparison! The affordable models in each line have only 8GB RAM. Could you do a video evaluating the value of 8GB vs 16GB on the Surface Pro line? Seems like 8GB is just adequate any more for basic productivity. So is 16GB worth it on these devices? thank you!
That is a good idea.I originally had the 8gb SP8 and during last Black Fridays sales I got a really cheap SP8 with 16gb. For me day to day use I really don't notice the difference and if I had payed full price I would have buyers remorse. My use case is: writing notes and scripts for these videos, light photoshop, research and web browsing, light sketching and watching the odd video.
@@MashITTech Awesome! thank you for the response. My use case is even less demanding--just writing, browsing, whiteboarding/designing on OneNote. Was wondering whether to spend the extra $$ for future proofing but it's hard to justify. Thanks again!
@@tbyers31 if you want to use the Surface Pro 9 at least 5,6 Years, then go with the 16gb ram. Otherwise you should be fine with 8gb
Great review, any chance you may make a similar review but with Linux installed on the MS Surface Pro 9?
Thanx so much
One thing I missed. Are the keyboards from Microsoft for the surface Pro 8/9 are with lights or backlit?
Yes, all surface pro keyboards are backlit
@@MashITTech thanks
As a musician Surface pro 8's button placement almost killed it for me
If I put it on the music stand, either power or volume rocker would be pressed as it stand in portrait mode
Infuriating
it looks great when it's new. Did they resolve the battery swollen issue after 1-2 years of use? I guess nobody has an answer at this moment.
Now bring back the fanless version, the card reader and the headphone jack on the Surface Pro 10 please! My i5 SP5?(The one without a number) is now down to about 60% battery capacity and my 3rd keyboard is hanging on to a thread. But I am seriously leaning at replacing it with a SP7+ still... I'd love the new screen and speakers, and don't really care about the money side of things, but the above is really important to me. But I don't want to buy old tech. Aarrghh!!!
Don't have either device but the 9 doesn't seem like an update at all.. Better CPU and that's it..
Mash It turning into a maniac with these thumbnails
Haha so hard trying to do something different
The "button placement" alone is worth the upgrade 😂Thanks for mentioning that, so important!
Glad it helps 😀
I have a surface 4,with surface 4 keyboard and Microsoft stylus. Do either of those work with the surface 8 or 9?
no
@@glickstar1023 thanks for the reply
I bought the Surface pro 8 i7, 16gb, the device would get hot on normal use such as youtube, MS word. the pro 8 reached a temperature of 106F (41C) My thought process was if its getting hot on a cold winter, how hot is it going to get on hot summer. I returned it and bought the SP pro 9 i5 16gb. so far its not getting any hot at all at normal use. its temperature has been around 80-85F (26C -29C)
Exchange for another if you're still within return time frame
When is the egpu test coming?
It was a disaster. I have had nothing but problems with the sp9 to the point I had to abandon the video, sorry
hi, i am office user and i also watch media. Which one would you recommend for me? Thank you
for your use either would be amazing so it comes down to price (8 should be cheaper) if you need a headphone jack (9 doesn't have one) and colour choice as 9 has more options :)
Uh this seems like they cost reduced the 9. If it’s a choice of i7 between the two the 8 seems to be the way to go. I’m biased because I have an 8 and the processor does everything I need it to do. The generations between these two aren’t wide enough to make a tangible difference.
Graphically more to consider:
Pro 8 runs at 1.3ghz at 80 EU i5
Pro 9 runs at 1.2ghz at 80 EU i5
Difference in ghz is shown by 1fps less but that’s dependent on the game, faster 10 core cpu will perform better in games that need cpu.
Higher end games will see a huge difference. Also get the i7 for those 16 extra EU.
Because 96 EU is a 20 percent increase in execution units.
Please sir text higher end games that are more intensive like the new counter strike or battlefield games.
Do you still have the 8 or 9?
I still have the 8 but got rid of the 9 though I may pick up another one soon. Hoping we get the 10 with new core ultra chips soon, it will finally be worth upgrading!
Just bought the Surface Pro 9 with the i7, 16GB RAM and 256GB storage and i'm sold... I love that sleek beautiful design, combined with the power it has. As a father of four and with limited space around the house, it's the perfect combo for me.
But what really made me choose the Pro 9 over the Pro 8, was the repairability shown by iFixit.
Glad you are enjoying it. I am holding onto my 8 until intel actually upgrades the iris gfx! The CPU is still fine for my needs but I would love more gpu performance
That note of it being easier to fix is good to know!
If the actual battery time was real, it would be great! My SP8 lasts about 4 hours on a full battery... Only down for me.
What is the device at 14:30? looks so dope
sorry for the delay! That is the Shargeek Storm2 power bank with OLED screen. Here is the review: czcams.com/video/GDd6ufy45ZA/video.html
@@MashITTech Thanks a lot :)
They are 2 the same screen and the back is different to I’m getting the 8
Can it support autocad? 🤔
If yes, I'm considering buying this instead of rog g14.
G14 will be much better, its got much more powerful cpu and a descrete GPU
Spot on. I would want dedicated gfx if using cad
@@NoName-bg2om thanks
@@MashITTech thanks
It can. I've used Autocad for years on a Surface Pro 4 and currently a 7+. Sure isn't as snappy as a proper CAD workstation, but it will get the job done.
12th gen Intel has been such a disappointment in the mobile space. the gpu in the Intel 12th is so bad. and the cpu aspect isn't so great. wish there was amd options here. but that said, I find the power management on the Surface Pro 9 much better than the Surface Pro 8. On the sp8, i basically shut down the system rather than put it to sleep because it would drain during sleep. this didn't happen with the sp7 and not with the sp9.
Great review/ Personally. I hate the Alcantara finish and the flat pen. Still, I love the concept
of this product which has been validated by the evolution of the ipad
Does it have a fan?
Yes the pro 8 and 9 both have fans, they are pretty quiet though
Headphone jack is enough to sell me on the 8. Wireless headphones have a whole list of negatives for only one positive, and seem mostly intended to rake in more dosh for fat companies who don't like people spending their money on things that last for ever, like a decent set of headphones can.
i want to see ProX Vs Pro 9 pls 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂 ?
Just picked up a second SP8 on run out to use for Fedora 37 Linux. Was wondering if I should spend the extra on an SP9, but hearing there is no headphone jack, I'm glad I didn't. Good to be able to switch between Windows and Linux on my dock as needed.
For anyone interested, Fedora runs well except cameras, and battery life is only 4 hours. But Gnome GUI kills Windows on a tablet.
Yeah I must admit I kept my SP8 and returned the 9, it just isn't worth the extra cost :(
What is the battery life
Watch the video
@@crud3lis my bad
I got my Microsoft-refurbished Surface Pro 8 for under 500 euro. Great value for the money, love it.
On the downside it is quite heavy for a tablet, and also very very shiny.
you can get screen protectors that provide antiglare coating
Does surface pro 8 has expandabls memory?
no, only the SSD is upgradable. The RAM is soldered on all surface devices :(
@@MashITTech SSD is the storage, correct ? I just wanted to see if I buy 128gb storage, will I be able to add extra storage in the future
I still have my surface pro 7 +, and I don’t really see a reason to get any of these because I still use the usb port and usb c, and I don’t really like windows 11, so, I didn’t update
Thanks!
Thank you so much Spencer :)
a couple of things. 1. there's no way you're getting 7 hours of battery from normal use. have a read of reddit. 2. you do need headphone jacks because 95% of the people in my office (about 60 staff) use wired headphones for teams and whatever else. yes most of them have BT headphones when they leave, but in the office, almost everyone uses wired headphones. i use wired headphones in and out of the office.
for the day to day use I preferer android tablets like galaxy tab s8 because android tablets are lighter and easier to use when you carry them and the android os is way simpler and easier to work with. in my opinion window tablets like surface pro are use mostly in professional way than the day to day use and despite windows 11 is better to work with when use it in tablet mode android and ios operating system is way better and easier to use for the casual people
Nice analyst
Great
I have a surface pro 7 16gb i7 and honestly the performance of these laptops arent worth the price. The fans kick on just using the web browser and struggles to do much else. The tablet experience is nonexistant considering the lack of apps on windows that make the experience worth it. I bought an Alienware x14 laptop with an i7 rtx 3060 because i loved your review on it and that will replace my surface pro 7.
I actually have both the pro 7 and the pro 8 at work and the heat management of the 8 is loads better. The 7 gets hot by just using one note or browsing as you said. The pro 8 doesn't seem to even break a sweat if I plug an ultra wide wqhd screen to the surface dock.
Thhats because the poor management of windos full of bugs in the proceses in tasks.. you can evently fix those one by one with regitry editor cuz the fucking windows runs apps in the background even if youre not needing them.. and if you open explorer the processor starting fire
Thats the window is what it is
@@iuliuvlad563 i believe it because back when i had windows 7, it was fine till i had windows 8 and every update had me fixing a different issue so my surface pro had updates every time i had to use it which is fustrating. so far, windows 11 on my new laptop has no issues and works flawlessly. it looks cleaner and has less updates than previous windows.
@@Gothy_Senpai i still have problem some times with my pro8 with browsers and start hieating while browsing.. other thing it could be a malicious softweare draining batteri pulling the fan spininig hours all the stupid proceses i anihilated with windows registry and stopping from stettings to running on background ..my belive the hitting has nothing to do with the hardwere... Is just the version of windows you are using
W11 is full with security addons level protection blala bla screen lock etc... Is soo fking frustrating when you need to do a simple task and i dont know wahts bloking have to deactivate a function watching youtube for an hour.. all geeks working for microsoft without thinking for others
I don't understand why people don't buy headphones with the newer connector (USB-C) instead of using the extremely outdated 3.5mm that is becoming more and more obsolete. What am I missing?
I think Microsoft should have added an extra Thunderbolt on the Surface Pro 9 (3 Thunderbolt), if the headphone jack was removed.
please tear down surface 8..... there isnt any video from it
We had the first RT's, right up until the Pro 8 (bulk used were Pro 4's). Disappointed they're still using the Surface Connect Port, which they really should replace with another USB-C and help standardise charging.....not to mention that their chargers are totally over priced (plus the V2 Dock added another £100 to the price over the original Dock). As a business, the other issue was repairs, which only gives you the option to send off in the post, when compared to other manufactures offering next day onsite repair. Don't get me wrong, they're nice bits of kit (I'm typing on my Pro 7), but not fanatically durable over time, which is another reason we're now moving away from them.
I am getting a Microsoft Surface. I just couldn't decide either Pro 8 with i7 + 16GB + 256GB or Pro 9 with i5 + 8GB + 256GB. Could I get some advice or comments?
If those are your options, go with the 8. You'll appreciate the extra RAM.
Yes, read some books on decision making. Follow this up with books on responsibility, maturity and taking ownership of your life.
What is your favourite surface pro?
they're just tuning up a little bit of performance and presenting it to the users as if thats a leap in a technology but in reality its hardly noticeable and for that barely noticeable feature they're charging like 100-200$
Summary . Helpful . But a quick one😅
Heads up for surface pro 6, still a great device. Four years on. With screen bezels that are actually helpful in handling the tablet. Speakers and screen was phenomenal then and is so today. Only downside is lack of rechargeability from power banks.
Concerning no type c - the logitech unifying dongles dont come in usb type c so I guess its a win for surface pro 6.
The Samsung Galaxy Book2 needs a removable screen to compete with this