The reason EMR operates stations that it doesn't serve is down to history. When rail was privatised and the station operation divvied out to the different TOCs, it was agreed that Virgin CrossCountry (as it was then) wouldn't manage any stations, because they were generally the minor player at the stations they called at. But then when Central Trains was split up with East Midlands Trains being created and some long-distance routes moving into the XCountry franchise, that gave XCountry a handful of stations where it was the _only_ operator. But rather than having to set up a whole station management team and systems for a trivial number of stations, which would have cost of a lot of money, it was decided that EMT would take over all the ex-Central stations that fell within its general geographical area, even if XC were the only TOC to serve them.
4:34 Fun fact: Even though Liverpool - Norwich is their longest route and has headcodes starting with 1, it is still considered a "regional" route and run using class 158 units
I assume u've travelled this route but if you havn't, they are literally the most disgusting trains I have ever been on. Everything is sticky, they seem to have never been cleaned, the chairs are black with dirt and sweat. Idk how it's not considered a health hazard lol. I've spoke to people who have used them regularly and apparently they have been the same for years now. Idk how they let it get as bad as it is considering it is such a busy route that alot of people have to use.
some of the trains to and from St Pancras are now marketed as "Luton Airport Express" with single fares for under 4 quid ... to make up for the outrageously expensive connection from the Parkway station to the Airport !
Just to be incredibly pendantic, EMR have storage facilities in Cricklewood for 222s and 360s. The 360s are apparently serviced at Bedford but they also are stored at sidings in Kettering. The carriage sidings in Norwich are also used for overnight storage
East Midlands Railway might as well retain some of the Class 222 Meridians to be used on some of the services including Sheffield, Leeds, York and Scarborough. And to use them on Norwich-Nottingham/Liverpool Lime Street. With the Class 810 Bi-mode trains to enter service from next year.
Great video, never realised the HSTs had been replaced by a 222 cascade and 360s taking over the Corby service. Something sbout thay feels a bit unfair. Though not as unfair as the Liverpool-Norwich service still using sprinters!!
@@oldtechnobodycaresabout they are great trains for regional 2 hour or so services with medium traffic levels but desperately inadequate for a 5 hour intercity service like Liverpool-Norwich.
@andrewreynolds4949 oh that's an improvement I guess. Shows how long it is since I really knew what was going on out there. Still should be a proper intercity unit though really?
@@quintuscrinis8032 I know there's some restrictions on what sort of units can run on some routes in the Anglia area (not sure which ones); that's the given reason that CrossCountry use 170s out that direction rather than Voyagers. I think EMR also run into the same issue. All of that is heavily discussed online, my knowledge on the whole thing is tertiary
Earlier this year I got a direct train from Leicester to Wellingborough, which came in from Syston, before reversing out of the station can heading through Melton Mowbray, Oakham, Corby, Kettering and Wellingborough. The train heading north lead me to believe I was on the wrong train and I noticed that this route is not on any of the timetabled routes... how odd.
I think that happens when there is enginering works between kettering and leicester through mkt harborough. have a bus replacement service. they are electrifing the line up to wigston just south of leicester
0:38 - Big omission to not have DERBY on that map. It's one of their principal stations! Also, Class 222s are not a sub-division of "Voyagers". The term Voyager is simply an operating brand dating back to Virgin Cross Country. In the same that "Meridian" is for the Class 222s.
It would be helpful IF the website actually ackowledge's that Leicester exists. Benn trying for several hours to book a train to London from Leicester apparently Leicester is NOT on the station lift.
Does EMR still operate a once daily service, which is an extension of the Sheffield service from London, to Leeds? Also, when it was EMT, there was a once daily extension of the London-Sheffield service, which ran to Scarborough via Doncaster and York.
Nope. All intercity trains only go as far north as Sheffield. There are a few intercity services a day that originate from Lincoln and go all the way to London
EMR needs have a better serice and new destintions like LNER which recently start running to Middlesborough and soon Cleethorpes. A London - Nottingham - Mansfield - Worksop. A fast Skegness - Nottingham- Crewe-Manchester Airport/Chester. The Norwich - Liverpool upgraded to a semi intercity class 222's, just to name a few.
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Thanks to DofT and EMR I lost my daily intercity service to/from London to be down graded to the ex anglia emu's. The journey is now slower and much more uncomfortable. The price of progress ..... not.
Fr it’s a huge downgrade… Not only are the connect services much slower, but they’re less comfortable and more prone to overcrowding with the 2+3 seating + the 360s are even older than the meridians and there’s no charging on board
The reason EMR operates stations that it doesn't serve is down to history.
When rail was privatised and the station operation divvied out to the different TOCs, it was agreed that Virgin CrossCountry (as it was then) wouldn't manage any stations, because they were generally the minor player at the stations they called at. But then when Central Trains was split up with East Midlands Trains being created and some long-distance routes moving into the XCountry franchise, that gave XCountry a handful of stations where it was the _only_ operator. But rather than having to set up a whole station management team and systems for a trivial number of stations, which would have cost of a lot of money, it was decided that EMT would take over all the ex-Central stations that fell within its general geographical area, even if XC were the only TOC to serve them.
thanks for the information. I was wondering why and I'm glad I've stumbled upon this comment
4:34 Fun fact: Even though Liverpool - Norwich is their longest route and has headcodes starting with 1, it is still considered a "regional" route and run using class 158 units
But if You look at painting - they always was in "intercity" colour scheme (white instead blue - for regional)
I assume u've travelled this route but if you havn't, they are literally the most disgusting trains I have ever been on. Everything is sticky, they seem to have never been cleaned, the chairs are black with dirt and sweat. Idk how it's not considered a health hazard lol. I've spoke to people who have used them regularly and apparently they have been the same for years now. Idk how they let it get as bad as it is considering it is such a busy route that alot of people have to use.
some of the trains to and from St Pancras are now marketed as "Luton Airport Express" with single fares for under 4 quid ... to make up for the outrageously expensive connection from the Parkway station to the Airport !
I wish the EMR fast trains still stopped at Luton Airport Parkway when the travel South from Leicester.
Just to be incredibly pendantic, EMR have storage facilities in Cricklewood for 222s and 360s. The 360s are apparently serviced at Bedford but they also are stored at sidings in Kettering. The carriage sidings in Norwich are also used for overnight storage
You got Melton right
East Midlands Railway might as well retain some of the Class 222 Meridians to be used on some of the services including Sheffield, Leeds, York and Scarborough. And to use them on Norwich-Nottingham/Liverpool Lime Street. With the Class 810 Bi-mode trains to enter service from next year.
Some are possible going to be sent to Cross country to help now the last HST are being withdrawn
Yeah that’s true actually. Be good to see CrossCountry getting the Class 222s cascaded from EMR. 👍
Great video, never realised the HSTs had been replaced by a 222 cascade and 360s taking over the Corby service. Something sbout thay feels a bit unfair.
Though not as unfair as the Liverpool-Norwich service still using sprinters!!
158s aren't that bad?
@@oldtechnobodycaresabout they are great trains for regional 2 hour or so services with medium traffic levels but desperately inadequate for a 5 hour intercity service like Liverpool-Norwich.
I've seen photos of 170s on the Liverpool - Norwich service, sometimes, so it looks like they run it with whatever they happen to have available
@andrewreynolds4949 oh that's an improvement I guess. Shows how long it is since I really knew what was going on out there.
Still should be a proper intercity unit though really?
@@quintuscrinis8032 I know there's some restrictions on what sort of units can run on some routes in the Anglia area (not sure which ones); that's the given reason that CrossCountry use 170s out that direction rather than Voyagers. I think EMR also run into the same issue. All of that is heavily discussed online, my knowledge on the whole thing is tertiary
3:24 i remember Anglia trains & central trains, what a blast from the past!
Perfect rhyme
Just discovered this series, so cool
Earlier this year I got a direct train from Leicester to Wellingborough, which came in from Syston, before reversing out of the station can heading through Melton Mowbray, Oakham, Corby, Kettering and Wellingborough. The train heading north lead me to believe I was on the wrong train and I noticed that this route is not on any of the timetabled routes... how odd.
I think that happens when there is enginering works between kettering and leicester through mkt harborough. have a bus replacement service. they are electrifing the line up to wigston just south of leicester
Really love seeing these videos and appreciate the painstaking research you have put in. Any chance of an LNER explained?
Thanks for the kind words and yes its In the pipeline!
the LNER video is published
0:38 - Big omission to not have DERBY on that map. It's one of their principal stations! Also, Class 222s are not a sub-division of "Voyagers". The term Voyager is simply an operating brand dating back to Virgin Cross Country. In the same that "Meridian" is for the Class 222s.
Hmm, good video
You have forgotten 1 route
Lincoln to St Pancres
St Pancres to Lincoln
which runs once daily
I would love to see the pendolinos on the midland mainline
Can you do southern next? It is my local train, and I have been waiting ages for it.
In the works! Fingers crossed Monday 🤞
@@ashleyrabot thanks! I am looking forward to it!
It would be helpful IF the website actually ackowledge's that Leicester exists. Benn trying for several hours to book a train to London from Leicester apparently Leicester is NOT on the station lift.
Hopefully EMR will soon operate the Leicester to Burton line as soon as the government allows it
4:54 theres a good few more beautiful iets you forgot to mention…
what happened to the liverpool to stanstead route? I think it was liverpool to brum then leicester peterborough then stanstead.
Does EMR still operate a once daily service, which is an extension of the Sheffield service from London, to Leeds? Also, when it was EMT, there was a once daily extension of the London-Sheffield service, which ran to Scarborough via Doncaster and York.
Nope. All intercity trains only go as far north as Sheffield. There are a few intercity services a day that originate from Lincoln and go all the way to London
@@bobsteryt They used to have some to Leeds though, right?
@@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial They did because the HSTs were stored in Leeds
EMR needs have a better serice and new destintions like LNER which recently start running to Middlesborough and soon Cleethorpes.
A London - Nottingham - Mansfield - Worksop. A fast Skegness - Nottingham- Crewe-Manchester Airport/Chester. The Norwich - Liverpool upgraded to a semi intercity class 222's, just to name a few.
Brilliant but You said the Barton-on-Humber to Cleethorpes Service is 1 train per hour its not the service is 2-Hourly
Will you be doing one of these for ni railways
Could you do MerseyRail?
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They have two trains a day to Leeds which are out of st pancras
I do wish eastmidlands go to Birmingham new Street.
Free for me
Thanks to DofT and EMR I lost my daily intercity service to/from London to be down graded to the ex anglia emu's.
The journey is now slower and much more uncomfortable. The price of progress ..... not.
Fr it’s a huge downgrade… Not only are the connect services much slower, but they’re less comfortable and more prone to overcrowding with the 2+3 seating + the 360s are even older than the meridians and there’s no charging on board
I was the 222nd like on this video 😂
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What about Lner this might be a bit weird they manage okay this is Ridiculous they manage Huddersfield
What? They manage Huddersfield?
Huddersfield is managed by TransPennine Express
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