Using Numbers to Find the Greatest Cubers of All Time
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- Ranking the candidates for the best cubers of all time... in each WCA event
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Great video, enjoyed the analysis and your reasoning behind it all. I learned a lot about older prominent cubers too.
Hi tingman
Thank you! I learned a lot too :)
The only thing I miss is Antonie in the 2x2 list, he never got worldrecords, but he has a worlds win and is multiple time european champ.
Yeah, unfortunate I just used WRs. He was close many times!
was about to comment exactly this haha
@@CubeHead oh hi
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@@antoniepaterakis7315 congrats on the ER and WR2 average :D
Max park on 6x6 is astonishing. Let's look at the WCA rankings:
1. Max park 59 seconds
2. Ciarán Beahan 1 minute 11 seconds
That's beyond domination.
I remember checking it a few weeks back and I couldn't believe what I saw...
According to Feliks and Bill Wang, Max got an unofficial 1:06 6x6 single during practice at Asian Championships back in 2018
@@cuberious1419 yeah but 59 sec is better
We have never seen that level of domination since Feliks Zemdegs’ is sub 1 minute average.
i'd say the algorithm should take into account how many rounds of competition the record was unbroken in, instead of how much time it was unbroken for - Minh Thai held the record for 20 years because there were no competitions that would let anyone beat it - not because it was a crazy unbeatable WR.
Yeah that would probably be better, but sounds like a lot more work haha
@@CubeMasterYT maybe just how many competitions? if its too much work for you then u dont have to ofc :)
4th is a lot higher than what I was expecting. Covid was so unfair hahahahahaha! Great video man!
This is a great ranking, I enjoyed it! The only thing I didn't understand is how exactly you calculated these points. Also, you could have shown event titles on screen, that would make it easier to understand which event you're talking about - I missed a few and had to rewind.
Thanks! Will try to make graphics more clear next time. The points are just from the factors mentioned in the beginning and just a lot of balancing to make sure the lists were as accurate as possible, the exact calculations are kinda messy lol
@@CubeMasterYT I would love to know what the calculations are
@@Kierio04 omg found the tas guy on a cubing video
@@UNLUNKY omg somebody finally found me on a cubing video
Tymon is the most efficient, Max turns really fast, but Feliks will always be the goat.
(for 3x3) :)
For 5×5 and to some extent in 6×6 also. The fight between Kevin hays and faz in 6×6 was something to see.
ruihang turns faster, but his solves r like 70 moves
Probably, but we'll see what happens in 10 years
Bro Roux solvers exist yet I still stay tymon is the most efficient?
@@rujon288the most efficient with CFOP* and After Feliks, but Feliks will always be the GOAT.
I like this content, as a lot of top cubers don’t really make video content such as this. Very well made video. Also Feliks forever 🐐
You do mention in the video that the system is slightly flawed but I still really enjoyed the video and some of your reasoning behind it! Would love to see this idea refined even more! Also as other people have said I love that you're making content like this that is a lot less common on cubing youtube
Damn really nice video, great concept and nice way of ranking cubers based on points
I would 100% say Feliks everytime. He is a 2 time world champion, single handedly got records lowered such as 5x5, he is one of 2 people (I think) to win every WCA event in a single competition. Still haven't watched the rest of the video but I'm interested on what the results could be.
Bro holds 140+ world records the 2nd best is 42+
@@r3dblood816 121 and 61, but yeah
@@cookierobber 61 is max park right?
@@TetraCubing Yes
It’s not just his competition results that make him the greatest, it’s the fact that he has inspired so many. He was the face of the speedcubing community for a good decade. His displays of kindness and good sportsmanship is a good representation for the community. Another thing to add is he put out educational content and held seminars to help out the next generation of speedcubers.
This was a great idea and well presented video! Of course your metric isn't perfect, and it's hard to make improvements although I do have a few suggestions for any future rankings
- Number of solves/competitions per person, obviously in the early 2000s there were very few competitions, so competitors had to make every solve count, although to be fair since there were so few solves the records also weren't pushed the farthest
- Continental records, although as you mentioned this would also be like world championships, were records from Africa/South America would be much less competitive
- Amount of times that a competitior appears in the top 10/100 results, although this would be skewed towards the very recent results, you mentioned that they would be worth more anyway. Otherwise top 10/100 results of the past could also count
- Amount of time that a person remains in the top 10/100 rankings
This is a great video man! Also I think something that should be considered is how much a cuber shaved off of the previous record like how max cut the squan avg by so much
Thanks! Maybe could have done that, but also think duration will cover that (Max's average might not have too many points now, but will get a lot more over time since he cut the former WR by so much)
@@CubeMasterYT tru!
Woah! This is a really great video! glad youtube recommended this vid! subscribed
It's crazy to see Stefan Pochmann 3rd on the Clock list. For those who don't know, he invented the Old Pochmann method to doing 3BLD, and basically everyone who does 3BLD has learned his method at one point.
Minh Thai is clearly the great cuber of all time nobody even comes close
For me personally Tymon and max are the two best 3x3 solvers out there by right now’s standard in my opinion
This isn’t based on opinions tho?
@@dawaerbaguer2288 and? he just stated HIS opinion.
Erik needed a few more mentions on the lists. He's one of the GOATs.
Loved the vid! Still would like to see who would be the best Championship cuber, because I think those achievements are pretty underapprechiated in cubing :(
probably Feliks, he's the only person to ever win the world championship twice
You could have also used the percentage of competitions they went to that they podiumed or won as another metric
Nah that just rewards people in uncompetitive regions (so Feliks)
Podiums depend on who they compete with, so I think WR is better as everyone competes against everyone
@@cookierobber while I agree, saying feliks is unfair bc acting like he wouldnt have won anywhere in the world for the longest time is wrong
@@kingeddiam2543 He would have had far more wins taken off him if he'd been competing in Europe. He's obviously still the GOAT, but that particular stat rewards him unfairly (and punishes people in competitive regions)
Yunhao Lou is registered to compete in the UK Championship at the end of October so we should get a chance to see how he's doing on clock
I feel like OH is going to change in coming years, when Fahmi goes to more competitions. I cant wait to see how he'll dominate the event.
He's amazing! Just hope he gets the chance to compete more and get over those nerves
yeah id definitely put fahmi as the best for one handed
What is the best cube of all time? The cube that got the most records
DaYan Zhanchi because of its influence on modern-day cubes.
Great Video, I think one flaw with this list though is that cubers who face intense competition sort of got discredited.
handling pressure doesn't add to your points
This vid is so good!!!
Maybe next time you can also use if the cuber has a top 100 world rank result of an event in that year only. This can prove longevity and consistency
Coming up on a year for this video, time for an update. and compare it to the current list, showing any changes. Maybe you could add an "All-round" category, too.
Without watching this yet, FAZ is obviously GOAT hands down.
You are by far the most underrated cubing youtuber
Now we need Sam Fang on top of the square-1 list.
Great Video With a lot of Work🤝🤝🤝
Thank you for telling me what goat is from your intro
Very interesting video!
The JimyHighroller for cubers great video :)
I think that the history of ranks would be more inclusive to cubers who never got any world records.
Can you remake ah updated version of this video, with the new WRs from 2023
a similar video can be made on best youcubers for a particular event or even a method(i know jperm would be the felix of this thing but still we do have so many other awesome youcubers)
Juan Pablo Huanqui, me de felicidad que un compatriota sea considerado el mas grande en megaminx. Aunque creo que su epoca dorada ya pasó.. buen video por cierto
im curious as to what gives a point, like what would the cuber have to do to get 1 point
dou-ble-u-r is 4 syllables (plus time for comprehending the acronym)
world re-cord is 3 syllables
Written acronyms don't always make faster spoken text. Gun shot wound is faster than GSW.
Very well-made and in-depth video. I disagree with the 3-blind winner. I think Tommy Cherry should absolutely have won :)
True
Mad recency bias lol. Kaijun was setting BLD WRs for 4 years, and even today (8 years after his first 3BLD records) he holds AsR mean. Tommy's crazy fast, but he has a long way to go to match Kaijun's achievements
Or jack cai
@@JackLaw2023 Not even close lol
@@JackLaw2023 Or him.
True, but in my opinoin, in todays world (not including the past) 2x2 goes to Zayn, 3x3 goes to Tymon, and big cubes go to Max
Also, while I agree that Feliks is the GOAT, Max is definitely better and deserves the title of goat of big cubes.
Otherwise nice vid, earned a sub
For me , Feliks is the goat, when i started cubing, he dominated every event and now it feels bad to see that he is not a WR holder of any event. I still remember his legendary 5.66
Yusheng Du 3.47 WR comp: "Wuhu" Open 2018. "Wuhu" indeed for that guy.
You should try to find the best all rounders probably max Siauw and fristian fushida but I dunno
how did you make this because i wanna make it myself
kevin hays should be the goat of 6x6, he won 3 times in a row, w/o the pop at final of W2011, he would won 4
Until this video I did not know that’s what goat stood for
Overall looks pretty accurate to me.
Imo the ranking system still could use some work, like it doesn't make sense that Minh Thai is higher on the list/"better" than tymon
Feliks will always be the GOAT, Max and especially tymone are crazy tho
I reckon one other metric that would have been useful would be average margin of victory in their championships. The main issue I see with the scoring used here is that it compares over time and not relative to the competition of the time. This is the same issue that comes up with claiming Jordan is the GOAT in basketball for example, so it is really hard to work around, but it is worth noting at least as it is an issue with this kind of thing. Overall though I reckon the lists would be pretty consistent even if you added this particular metric in (or something similar) so well done.
For pyraminx it’s either tymon or John gaynor
tommy cherry has grown alot in speed since this
This is a nice analysis, but I feel like Max Park is the greatest 3x3 cuber
I’d love to see an opinion based list.
how did you factor in the absense of competitions during covid in the goat qualification for how long world records stand for?
o nvm u didnt factor in that at all, good vid nonetheless!
i assume "greatest" as in a cuber that is the best _during their times and during the longest times_ instead of looking for present day bests
considering this analogy, minh thai deserves the position and if not then only track WR standing time as how many solves on that category has been done
What was the actual formula you used to calculate the points?
- how long their record has been standing for
- number of wrs they have
- how recent the world record is
- average adds up more than single
I know but like how do I know if the number of WRs are worth 50 points each or do they get 10 extra points for how long the record stands for etc
guys with first name as lars invent methods with their last name(lars petrus, lars vandenbergh)
Nice!
I agree with you except at multi bld cause i thinj Graham siggins is just the best since he broke the wr by about 15 cubes
Maskow almost doubled multi WR, and held it for 6 years. Graham has improved WR by ~20% and held it for 3 years, most of which were during Covid. Graham's obviously incredible, but he doesn't touch Maskow's level of dominance
No one can beat Feliks definately.
I got a 6.35 single on squan. My first sub 9 and 3rd sub 10. It was an 11 move solution so a very shitty 1.6x SPS. If i turned normally i would have gotten a sub 5.
Nice fake solve bruh.
And if you add all these points together… who has the most points? Feliks I presume. Followed by Max…?
Idk why I have expected to see Livia Kleiner on the pyraminx list.
Feliks = 🐐
Fmc : Hermoine Granger 😂
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0:27
Lmao miseed that
For BLD you should consider singles and averages more on an equal footing with respect to other events.
Yeah thought that too, but I didn't want to bias the algorithm for certain events. Still think those lists are pretty accurate though :)
@@CubeMasterYT idk man Marcin behind Leyan Lo makes zero sense to me.
I feel like a flaw in this ranking system is that, if someone was 2nd place for 9 years, they would still be worse than someone who had a wr for just 2 months.
fun fact: my friend george. his dad is dan knights. number 15 for 3x3.
There's a couple of points in here that show a lack of historical understanding of cubing history. For example, not remembering that BLD didn't always used to have an "average".
Does it piss anyone else off that he says “double u r” instead of “world record” despite world record being faster to say?
I think the GOAT is Feliks, followed by Max Park.
2x2 Zayn
3x3 Tymon
4x4 Sebastian
5x5 Feliks
6x6 Max Park
7x7 Kevin Hays
Square-1 Max Siaux
Pyra Tymon
Feliks is the "goat" and the most influential cuber of all time
Inspection time
Where is Daniel on the squan list lol
The problem is that the whole idea of 'goat' is flawed its practically impossible to compare different timezones bc its not a linear path of progression its exponential and has dips and curves and even just the greatest is already subjective
Minh Thai 2nd? Yes, he did hold the Wr for 21 years, but let's look at how many official solves happened between 1982 and 2003. Zero. I'd say it isn't too hard to hold a WR if noone can phisically contest it.
we stan bingliang
BL is GOAT initials for Square-1
wca statistics but the answer is always 1982
zemdegs is the goat
Woaj
Only 3 people participated in rainbow cube I believe so the top will be whoever got the wr
I just can't really agree that Feliks is the GOAT when Max and Tymon have 82% of the top 100 3x3 averages of all time and he has 2 (52nd & 99th).
It's one thing if speedcubing was a head to head type of game, but it's not. It's more like track and field where the measurement of skill is an objective number. Calling Feliks the GOAT is like saying somebody waaay slower than Usain Bolt is the greatest sprinter because they dominated at a time when everybody was slower. It makes Feliks' accomplishments less impressive that his peers were awful, not more.
It’s j perm
nice
2x2 zayn
3x3 feliks
4x4-7x7 max
OH fahmi 😍
3x3 blind I’m not sure
4/5 blind Stanley
Multi graham
Fmc sebastian
Clock yun
Mega Juan Pablo
Pyra drew
Skewb no clue
Squan Brandon
Minh Thai best cuber no cap
max is the best at big and tympnnis best at 3x3
My luckiest sqaure-1 scramble: (4,3)/ (0,-3)/ (-4,-4)/ (-2,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (-3,0)/ (0,-1)/ (6,-3)/ (0,-4)/ (4,0)/ (-3,0)/
My solution: (-1,0)/(0,-3)/(-5,4)/(-1,6)/(3,-3)/(0,3)/(-3,0)/(3,0)/(-3,0)/(4,0)/(0,-3)/(-1,0)/(3,0)/(1,0)/(0,3)/(-1,0)/(-3,0)/(-3,0)
I average above ten and this was my first sub-10 single.(8.53)
i think tymon is the smartest
max is the fastest
yiheng has the potiential
matty is the quickest
luke is the coolest
but still feliks is the GOAT
I am the goat
your clock accomplishments are unmatched
No duh who else would be the goat?
correction, Sam.
it’s 17 events. not 16.
I have no clue where you got 16 from
also, at 14:57; hey! that’s me!
and I now realize I forgot Feliks for 5x5…
I’m a big dumb idiot
Can't count :(
Minh Thai the best in my opinion
XD
Pr
Why isn’t Riley dexter here
your lists are biased because your algorithm was created by your opinions and while it most likely was not intentional there are certainly some biases in the algorithm.