Is ONR Good Or Bad Science - The Science You Need To Know!
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- SCOTT WITH DALLAS PAINT CORRECTION & AUTO DETAILING IN PLANO TEXAS TALKS ABOUT THE SCIENCE BEHIND OPTIMUM NO RINSE AND OPTI-SEAL AS A DRYING AGENT
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Scott I’m a BIG fan of your channel, but I have to say you are way off base on this one. I did a lot of research and had serious doubts about ONR and other Optimum products but once I tried them in real world situations I was instantly converted. I think you are being over dramatic about all this metal that is supposedly all over our cars. If you use an iron removing type product and clay your vehicle it will take a long time for any serious amount to re-accumulate. I use ONR in the winter when I can’t use a power washer and bucket wash. It works fantastic in this type of situation. In a perfect world I would love to use a power washer/foam cannon/bucket wash all the time. Just not reality in Minnesota.
Your comments about issues with Opti-seal because it is sprayed on a wet vehicle are not correct. Don’t you think Optimum took the wet vehicle into account when developing the product?
I encourage you to reach out to Yvan at Optimum for answers to your questions of the “science” behind their products. He would be able to explain why they work the way they do.
no problem Dan...thats your perspective and i honor that..but you failed to mention all the other points i made about opti seal having a chemical carrier and not the best drying agent my friend when spraying into water:)
metals on the paint are one of the biggest reason for swirls and yes they can be on many areas of the paint and need to be rinsed off first..we know these metals are there because they will bond eventually and need to be clayed off so I'm not sure your point is correct but again i will honor your perspective
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing Appreciate the respectful and open dialog. A part of why I like your channel. :)
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing have you reached out to Yvan yet?
Sorry Scott I think Dr. David Ghodoussi has done his due diligence on the development of Optimum products, maybe you should call him and tell him your grievances. I think he's developed amazing products and never had issues with them.
Your understanding of ONR seems to be flawed before the 30 sec mark. The “No Rinse” in Optimum No Rinse refers to post wash, and not pre wash. I’ve been affiliated with Optimum for nearly 4yrs and I’ve never been told to NOT pre rinse the car. Sometimes it is absolutely necessary.
Agree. I no longer use ONR as I moved to Wolfgang Uber, but I rinseless wash regularly my two black vehicles in the winter using 480gsm towels and the Gary Dean Method, but I always pre-soak/load up the car using a Worx Hydroshot spray (perfect for Rinseless) and as a detailer can say the system works flawlessly. Any remaining film from the traffic film/grime comes off easily. I blow dry my car and then wipe it down with a damp 480GSM that I load up with either CarPro Reload or ECH20/Reload mix as I have a coated car.
Stalactites hang from the ceiling, and stalagmites grow up from the floor. A good way to remember this is that stalactites have to "hang on tight" to the ceiling so they don't fall off.
I would like to credit Mrs. Johnson, my fifth grade science teacher, for passing on that little hack.
awesome thanks for the correction..i was a great student in high school but i forget things along the way:)
Well, I may remember about stalactites, but you've taught me everything I know about car detailing! LOL!
much love my friend:)
I was just reading all the replies to see if someone posted this info. Otherwise great video Scott.
fan of your channel, but you are way off on ONR, for brake dust use Ferrex, no one ever said ONR can take off iron particles. i have been using ONR for 3 years now including in winter in my garage to remove salt and general grime in midwest, zero scratches or swirl marks
This guy started bashing Optimum products and The Rag Company towels when he came out with his own line of products. I unsubscribed. Started watching Apex detailing channel. He is so much better than this clown.
He's creating a premise without proving it exists. He is also assuming that these alleged metal particals are somehow more of a threat to auto paint than dust or pollen.
He is taking ONR specifically, creating a problem that he hasn't proven exists, and using this "issue" to take a stab at ONR.
This is a highly manipulative, dishonest, and poorly thought out presentation.
@@gearhead2175 - I learned a lot about what not to do from watching his videos.
Go the opposite direction, and prosper.
Please do a review of your opinions/experiences with ceramic coatings. I love your videos because you dont sugar coat anything.
I use ONR as a presoak to loosen up the dirt before I hose off the surface prior to the hand wash. I also use the Opticoat version of ONR on the car as a soak before a spray rinse at the carwash then a blow dry.
i never said any soap can remove bonded iron from the paint..the point of this video is if you don't do a high pressure rinse before using ONR, your are gliding your big red sponge or microfiber towel through iron particles that are laying on the paint superficially..no soap including ONR can encapsulate or emulsify IRON that is sitting on the paint yet it hasn't bonded fully...i hope that clears up any confusion...also note its my opinion that ONR alone CANT remove traffic film since we all know traffic film isn't water soluble, so a better surfactant will be needed to remove traffic film...i still stand behind that SOME iron can BEGIN to bond yet can be broken off the paint with a high pressure rinse before those irons are fully bonded over time where iron x or a clay bar will be needed to remove them completely
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing - ah, ok...I think this was the clarification I was looking for. I was thinkin' - I don't think Optimum was ever making claims of addressing metal flecks in the paint with ONR...
For those of us who want to use up our Opti-Seal, how do you recommend we use it? Dry the vehicle without a drying aid then use a paint prep then Opti-Seal? Thanks, Scott.
well optimum says you can use their spray wax as a drying agent then use opti seal when paint is dry and opti seal will jump in front of the wax and bond to the paint first....wow thats some science..lol
Wait a video not talking about DA's? what channel is this :)
love you my friend:)
It's called common sense... if it needs to be pre rinsed them do so. It's not rocket science people
To great problems great solutions!
Great thinking Scott, I never tried the opti spray. I always recommend doing a pre soak or spraying your car first.
This is not true. They advocate for pre rinsing before the agitation with the sponge. The rinseless part is at the end. The first thing you do is spray the car with ONR treated water first, only then do you start the wash.
now i watch the whole video and i got to tell you this
if there is even a little bit of metal on the surface we are all fucked
i dont think anything we do to clean our cars will be good enough to save our paint from scratching plain and simple hahaha
Great video Scott. I use ONR but only on my weekend drivers to remove dust. If I have driven the car and there is road dirt and film present, I use a standard wash. ONR does have its limitations. When I use ONR, I have my ONR solution in a bucket with multiple towels and a spray bottle with 1:20 ONR ratio that I spray on the panel before wiping. I think it’s a safe process for light cleaning. One thing I have to keep in mind is I am mainly using ONR on my 67 Chevelle. These old cars are not waterproof like late model vehicles. It’s not good to wash these old classics on a regular basis. Even though a traditional wash is safer on the paint, I also need to look at minimizing the long term effects of washing and the possibility of developing rust over time. That has to be figured into the equation on old cars with poor seals and especially with rag tops. Food for thought.
Awesome and thank you for always investigating and presenting information that makes us all think! 👍🏽😊
im a truth seeker and love to think outside the box:)...i may not always be right but I'm always striving to learn more and push the limits and i like when we are all thinking:)
You mention ONR is not your favorite rinseless solution.. what other rinseless wash would you recommend?
They all suck. You have to apply a degreaser/apc to the vehicle, power wash, rinseless wash, then dry. That's the only way these rinseless washes work.
PurplePower VBW works much better when cleaning vehicles.
You stop short saying what other sealant you would use! I would like to know??I think the optimum sealant is very good buy self not drying aid I currently use Adams detail spray as drying aid! I would never apply the way you have mentioned or wash I would always first rinsed with my Worx Hydro shot✌️
You never asked in your original question what sealant works best.
In general spray sealants don't last as long as a paste sealant, and they don't have the hydrophobic properties of a paste/liquid sealant. But they are easier to apply.
Opti-Seal, C2V3 are the only spray sealants I recommend & use. C2V3 is better then Opti-Seal in terms of durability.
For paste/liquid sealants I recommend Jescar Powerlock+, and Tacsystem's Moonlight. They're proven products and they work great and they're easy to apply.
And the way I mention using a rinseless wash is the correct way to do it. Using an APC/Degreaser on the surface allowing it to dwell and then rinsing it away (with a pressure washer) removes the traffic film, and initial unbonded dirt. Then do your contact wash with ONR or whatever product. Then apply your drying agent (I like C2V3). Then buff away the liquid.
You'll get a clean drying towel 100% of the time. Simply using ONR by itself your drying towel will always come back dirty, atleast on cars that you don't wash every week. The way I mentioned to you is the way I wash all of my customers vehicles monthly and I get excellent results every single time. :)
they all suck..i love it Trent:)
I don't have experience with rinseless solutions.. I just got my hands on Garry deans juice boost for dirt cheap but I was only planning to use it as a sort of "quick detailing spray on steroids" for bird bombs and only on coated vehicles
Scott... you practice what you preach because since I’ve followed you my skills and results have been phenomenal. I appreciate your exhaustive approach at education from your experience... thanks..
Hey Scott just an FYI the febreze bottles at target are 360 mister’s I just used the febreze and threw in my spray wax only $3.50
thanks my friend for the heads up:)
Rinsless doesn’t mean you cen’t prerinse/presoak.
Thanks Scott, bringing a lot of light to those who love Rinsless Wash
Scott, could you do a videos on the microfiber towels you use for paint corrections?
have you tried using it as a interior cleaner ?
I mixed up a small solution of ONR and distilled water in a bowl. Soaked a new magic eraser in it. Squeezed out most of the solution and cleaned my inside windshield.
Wiped dry with a new microfibre glass towel, then finished with a small amount of glass cleaner and wiped down with another microfibre glass towel.
Glass sparkled and NO streaks.
Came out perfect
Thanks again Scott for your passing your knowledge. Kind regards from Athens Greece
Which one is the best drying agent then ? 😁
In many ONR videos I’ve seen a pre-spray used before the actual wash.
YES on really dirty cars where a rinseless wash would be dangerous to perform...but they never tell you or discuss the metals on the paint when even the car has light dust and dirt and they would recommend just going in with the rinseless method:)
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing would you care to share your opinions on better solutions?
I have used several rinseless/ waterless car wash products over the last several years and havent found that one that is just right. For my purposes, ONR seems to be very effective and delights my customers, especially when i use spray wax as a drying aid. I would definitely be interested in your opinions on other better solutions. ?
Also waiting for a video on your recommendation for microfiber towel alternatives to TRC and CG. Have a great weekend!
G Davis ...pre-treating is a MUST, common sense. This brings the dirt and grit to the surface and is then allowed to be wiped away. Once you guys try this, you'll love it and it will replace old school washed unless your car is REALLY dirty.
Klasse Act I’ve used ONR previously and did the pre-spray. I only mentioned the pre-treatment because it was not in the video. I found ONR to be an okay product. A suitable replacement if car soap and water are not an option.
Thanks for the video. I would really like to know what rinseless wash systems you prefer? I’m also interested in your recs on microfiber as in a previous video you said you preferred a different supplier than TRG. Thx
Hey Scott I have a bottle of ONR and I’m at the same opinion about waterless washes. But I think they have there place and I use them in certain situations. I’ve had real good luck with Gary Dean’s products over the years. If you haven’t tried Forever Rinseless then give it a chance. The slickness and shine are great. But up here in Oregon where water is plentiful foam cannon is number one in my book for a deep down clean. Happy Detailing.
🤣🤣 ONR is pure genius 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
You brave soul. You’re making enemies. But that’s why you’re so popular, you give your honest opinion. Some will agree. Some will lash out at you. I’m Leary of rinseless wash myslef.
i know right..lol..i better watch my back:)
What do you think about optimum hyper compound, and hyper polish?
they are fine but to be honest i don't use them on a daily basis because i know products that work better in my world..but they are a good compound and polish
Thanks for another great video!!!!! Very informative.
much love my friend:)
Scott how do you like opti-seal as a stand alone sealant..I've been going back and forth on whether I should get it
C2V3 > Opti-Seal
Opti-Seal lasts 2-3 months as a stand alone (if you're lucky)
C2V3 will last 3-4 months as a stand alone. And they're similar pricing.
Off topic Scott, you could be a hand model! Lol
thats so funny..lol..nobody wants to see my ugly mug on video:)
Hey Scott! I'm loving this ONR series! Thank you for going against the grain when necessary! I have a question for you... What are your thoughts about Non-Acid Wheel Cleaners... I'm not talking about fallout removers like Iron X or BDX, I mean wheel cleaners such as Chocolate Thunder, Buster Brown, and Brown Royal. Have you used products like these?
DR SCOTT!!!!!!! Thanks for the great info!!!!
thank you for being so kind:)
Well sure I don't know as much as you do about detailing. I do own a limo company Black Car service everything from stretches to Executive towncars type vehicles . Currently we have 25 cars and four years all we have done is rinseless wash with this brand with our in-house detail shop. Which follows protocol to a T.
I've got a couple cars with over 300,000 Mi on them never been cleaned with anything but Optimum and they've never had to be polished.
There is no scratching there is no metal causing scratches or whatever, they got the science right!
Let me ask you this, have you ever used it continuously ? Have you ever taken one automobile to see how it works time and again on the same vehicle same conditions? I bet the answer is no. You just got it in your head you didn't like the product for the reasons you found logical. And yes Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but what an attack video this is pure Attack video and I tell you what I'm going to unsubscribe because I know it's a fact that what you're saying is wrong, Undisputed I probably have better proof than anyone out there about this product. We are entitled to our own opinions but let's keep them opinions and not attack videos
scott i am 4 minutes in to the video and i am thinking that you ned to change your channel name to Mr scott paint science school
i am not joking man you can only get this much information about car paint and its enemies at a school class other than your channel
you take this taking care of your car paint thing to next level hahaha
Thanks Scott, love the way you think.
thank you so much..sometimes i feel like my mind wants to explode..lol
Haha, well I hope not, too much useful information would be lost.
You don’t like the product why make a video ,
What?
Nice video
I'm baaaack!!!! I do like ONR and I like other rinseless products as well...recently Wipeout has been my new go to. That said, any rinseless was should at least be pretreated with the rinseless solution to start loosening. In cases of road grime I have used Meg's degreaser (gasp) and recently Fbomb which is a soap based multi purpose cleaner. In the Midwest I am very limited in the winter time so a powerwasher or free flowing garden hose water are not always an option.....I do like the Worx sprayer though...it's been helpful getting the salt residue off after my pretreat with Fbomb.
As for Optiseal it looks great initially but the claims of 4-6 months protection must be for a garage queen. I've never gotten more than 4-6 weeks at best. I've used Reload and Premier as spray sealants that have excellent shine and better durability from my experience. And to agree with Trent, it doesn't get any better than Powerlock Plus for a wipe on/wipe off sealant....that glass like feel after application is unrivaled!
I get 5 months easily out of Opti-Seal.
@@Sherukka - My mom's car has Opti-Seal on it since August 2021, and it's now Jan 31 2022. Not bad.
Carpro Reload only lasts me a few weeks or so.
Thank you im also looking at a better solution for removing metal and road film
PurplePower Vehicle & Boat Wash :)
You must be a weekend scientist
let me also add ONR is very misleading with their instructions on the bottle...i bring this up because many are making comments about how optimum never said you couldn't rinse the car off first, many have said optimum will use power clean first and rinse when car has traffic film or dirty and when a rinseless wash isn't safe to perform but that is not printed on the bottle..i have also seen many videos where optimum will not pre rinse either and when that happens they are pushing their big red sponge through iron parts that is on the paint superficially....this is BAD science!!!...their instructions are also extremely poor and many don't see the bigger picture:)
I agree about misleading info on bottle. It appears that many ONR users are doing pre-rinse such as water spray hose-down or pressure wash, also including use of soaps/shampoos. To me, this contradicts the philosophy or intent of ONR ... as an 'Alternative' & supposedly more efficient than traditional car washing methods. If you are going to do pre-rinse with water hose spraying or pressure wash, then you might as well NOT use ONR and just go with traditional car washing techniques!
Scott,.. where did you get the Bachelor of Science of Master degree from ? I think Dr. David Ghodoussi has a pretty impressive resume and believe he incorporates his education and knowledge of chemical science into the Optimum products. You are entitled to your practical opinion but I believe it is unbelievably insulting that you stated Mr Ghodoussi uses bad science.