Is it okay to Sporterize a Military Surplus Rifle?
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Hopefully I bring up some decent points in this video. Trust me, I am the last person you will see mess up a military surplus firearm, but in the case of a refurbished Mosin, I don't see a problem with. There are also a ton of Mauser actions out there that can be turned into top notch sporters.
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2010: "moist nuggets will never run out, they will be $150 forever."
2018: "wOOPS"
Yup. It was a bitch to find a good priced nagant. I hope whoever desecrated rifles like this, suffer from a catastrophic malfunction. Would serve them right
2021: Hold my beer.
@@rokko854 no kidding people out here looking for $350-400
Lmao 😂 a M1891/30 Mosin Nagant cost $600 nowdays.
Upwards of 1000 on gun broker.
"They're never gonna dry up"
Fast forward to 2015
You're lucky if you can find one under $200
+Parks Parks To be fair I picked up my Type 53 off of gunbroker for $180 plus shipping and transfer. Mechanically she's tight as a drum, but holy hell that wood has seen some shit.
+KillerBee I got mine a couple years ago for $139.95 plus shipping and transfer and mine was pretty much the same condition. Prices seem to be going up quick
+Parks Parks I got lucky as hell and just got a M44 for $50.00 with 60 rounds of ammo
Scott P yeah that's a ridiculous deal
I couldn't whip out the money fast enough
So you would not suggest I create an Assault Musket?
go for it
Jesus, don't butcher a Mauser. That's like elmer gluing rhinestones onto the Holy Grail.
Yes, I hate the fact people butcher k98s just for there taste.
pulaski789 their
I imagine he regrets the “…91/30 won’t dry up..” lmao. Over here in 2021 they are found for $500+
in 2023 I have been told they are $300 or less, Ones I have seen and found for sale run $600 to $1500 nah cheap surplus has gone bye bye
"They're never gonna dry up"
Lol.
Sporterizing a military rifle is a waste of money and the rifle. Modern rifles are cheaper and more accurate. It's not the 50s anymore where mil surp rifles were significantly cheaper and better than civilian production rifles.
Besides. Sporterization helps you so little in making the gun better.
customize a mosin nagant right and she can out shoot even modern rifles...and it really doesent cost that much to make a mosin keep up with a modern shooter..a few $ and you can keep up with some of the best and thats a proven fact
Austin Wright True. I belive that if you are going to sporterize the rifle dont do anything permanent. You can always replace the stock but if you shorten the barrel there is nothing you can do about it.
Catwithanm16
to shorten the barrel KILLS your long range accuracy greatly, i might have a new trigger put in and have a scope mounted but thats pretty much it aside from having her cleaned up really really good
There is no rifle for the same amount of money (that is key) that can outshoot a good condition old Mauser, or even a Springfield, Enfield or Mosin.
Rifles are a mature technology. The last real breakthrough was smokeless powder. After that we've had incremental improvements, at best. What makes these old rifles inaccurate is generally either because some of them are worn out or because they had rather crude sights.
The sights are an easy and fairly cheap problem to fix, by the way.
Awesome video, thanks for making one like this.
It is going into our favorites for sure
Depends on the condition, my main sport shooting rifle is a Mauser that stock was completely rotten BUT all the metal parts were in working order. After stripping the gun down and cleaning everything up I put the all the salvaged parts (barrel, blot, chamber, magazine etc.) onto a polymer stock with a custom trigger and that gun shoots true and runs like a absolute dream!
It also depends on the rarity of the gun, no-one is going to lose any sleep over a couple of sporterized Mosin-Nagants but if you were going to sporterize a Ishapore or a Mk.5 Jungle carbine then I would prefer you to restore them rather than sporterize them. However, they are your guns at the end of the day AND I would be a hypocrite if I scolded someone for doing something that I did myself to a Mauser so that's just my two cents on the topic.
Absolutely not.
Cant wait to see your series on Mosin project. I own 5 myself and did slight changes to one of my 91/31 to make it a cheap deer rifle. Only changed the stock and kept everything else as it was made. Hopefully I will learn a few more things to add to my project as well. Keep up the good work.
good vid, cant wait to see more on these mosin. I love them. finally got my first one few months back
Looking forward to watching these series of working on the Mosin. Yesterday I have just bought my first Mosin and I am going to clean it and restore it to its full beauty. It was made in 1932 and has the hex receiver. comes with the bayonet that fits perfectly. It doesn't look as if it was used in the war, as the stock is in very good condition. Keep up with the great informative videos.
short answer: NYET
If there's an old piece of shit Enfiled then yeah, make it a nice deer rifle. If it was a 1939 Enfiled that got carried in Africa, France, Italy and Germany then no, that's a piece of history.
MrcabooseVG what "piece of shit" enfields are there???
Blake Bramley I have an isaphor 1943 smle thats kind of shit.
my grandpa just gave me a ww2 1939 lee en lol
just saw a sporterized 43 enfield at a pawn shop that they want 270 for. i am so tempted but not sure if thats a good price for a sporterized one. very pretty and they at least did a nice job on it
No just no , pepole need to stop sportrizing rifles. They are all peaces of history.
Ive got a Type 56 with no matching parts and a cracked stock. What about repairing and refinishing the stock.. Is that ok ?
I wait with great anticipation for the upcoming modification videos!
I have a M91/30 Mosin Nagant, The year says 1943 it has that refurbish mark on the stock. I was think about making it into a Modern-day sniper rifle, Would it have any value becuase the date says 1943? I know my Mosin Nagant but I just want another opinion on the matter becuase of the refurbished mark on the stock. Would it be wise to make it a Modern-day sniper rifle?
Can't Wait! You make some of the most interesting vids out there. Thanks!
I fully agree on sporterizing the 91/30 you are doing. How do you feel about mausers. I've got an mg/42 barrel the is cherry but had been converted to a small ring 98 or 96. It's also 8mm/06. I'm going to put it in a 98 action when I find one. And correct stock and already have a match trigger for it. Just your thoughts
While we’re on the topic of Milsurps what’s your opinion on polishing and jeweling milsurp bolts? Does it hurt retail value or does it help it? Or does it depend on the model? What would you say about jeweling a Steyr M95 bolt body?
Very nice Finnish restoration. I have a M90/31 hex receiver which I restored and get rave reviews. Good video!
Imo the Swiss K31 is the perfect rifle to sporterize!
All You have to modify is: NOTHING!
Just take it to the ranch and shoot-out almost every modern rifle.
On the subject of 91-30's, what's the best way to clean up the sling slots without damaging the wood? Mine is a 1933 and I DON'T want to damage any part of it, its too gorgeous, especially for an 87 yo rifle
Can't wait to see what you do with this one. I have a couple at home which may receive some work...
hey i've got a question about Mosins for anyone who knows... look at how on his rifle, by the rear barrel band release point, there's a cut out on the thicker aft part of the stock so that you can put your finger behind the barrel band and move it.
can someone explain to me why my Izhevsk 91/30 from 1937 doesn't have this cut-out? i originally thought it was a Tula-only thing since Tula's i've seen from later years have it. but now even an Izhevsk of a later year has it? can someone explain?
asking here: okay to sporterize a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3*? Ishapore (India) pre-i dependency GRI stamp 1941. The muzzle is blown out and the stock is rough. Maybe an indicator of combat use (is that valuable to collectors?). Got it at estate sale.
I have a 1936 Mauser 98 my uncle brought back from Italy after WW2. My dad started to sporterize it in the late 1960s but died before finishing it. I liberated it from my mom's house and checked it out. The stock was cut down too much to remove shrapnel from the grip/butt and there are no iron sights or a way to mount a scope without changing bolts, finding a side mount, or using a scout mount. It is in good condition with little pitting. I need to commit to either finishing the conversion, going back to original condition (but some parts won't match), or selling to someone who may want the action or has the time/skill/resources to do something worthwhile with it. Any opinions on which way to go with this rifle?
Don't sell a family members a firearm
Looks to be a fun project. I do the reversal, militarizing a sporting shotgun. My Winchester 1897 looked rough, but since it's going to be kept personally, turning it into a trench gun is a fun trip.
Absolutely love these old videos, on the new ones now that y'all are pretty much famous, keep waiting for you to say ”this is Eric from Moss Pawn and Gun” 😂 lol
Looking forward to this series!
Don't keep us waiting too long ;)
Sweet, I can't wait. I would really can't to see this and the kind of accuracy you get. I saw a guy that cut down a stock and barrel and had a pistol Mosin! I think is will be one of your best series yet.
For those that say that Mosin Nagants are just cheap surplus rifles and will basically never be anything else and that there is a unlimited supply remember the guys that sporterised guns back in the 1950s -70s thought the same thing.
Had an old guy show me an 1873 trapdoor he had sporterised back in the 1950s, cut it back, put a monticarlo stock on it and reblued the metal. Back then he told me it was just an old obsolete gun that was cheap and common, said he paid $3 for it. Remember seeing them at the Bannamen store priced at $5 and thinking who does he think he is asking that much.
I have seen plenty of Civil war guns that were sportised and I'm sure they thought the same as your mosin nagant owner today..
Most sportised Mosin Nagants are attempts to tactical them out and doesn't really do much to make them more effective gun anyway, that cool plastic stock really does what?
Not all sporters are bad, I have a beautiful Griffen and Howe built on a 1903 action also a pre war sporter mauser but these are the exceptions.
What most guys do will cause somebody 30 years down the road to ask " what the hell was they thinking!"
Deadhorse1 I have a beautifully sporterized p17 in a Boyds stock with Redfield peep sights. Awesome rifle.
@@bowlofrice8 Is it an actual military M1917 sporter or is it one of the Remington Model 30 rifles made using leftover recievers?
Leave them be..100 years from now it would be like placing a fiberglass stock on a Brown Bess.
in Australia it was common after WW2 to sporterise the No1 Mk3* Smle. The problem with this was that the barrel is quite light and the accuracy went to shit. To maintain the group the rifle needs the nose cap to control the whip of the barrel. They could be cut down but you had to put a heavy barrel in. Cheers Ross
So, would it be ok in your eyes to throw on a long eye relief scope onto a '43 Izzy?
It has some dings and such on the stock, it's been refurbished, but both the barrel and the bolt are original.
The most I want to do is a scope mount on the rear sight, something I can put on and take off quickly and easily. I also want to refinish the stock as well. Would that be alright to do to my 91/30?
I bought an sks in quebec a few months ago and i could'nt find where it came from or who made it and now im looking at this video here and his rifle has the same exact square-slash marking on the stock .Does anyone know any details about this ? Ive looked up everywhere and cant find sqwat
Thx
+kayn lavoie If I recall correctly, that's a Soviet Ukrainian Refurbishment mark. Square with a diagonal slash?
+Duncan McAfee yessir russian refurbished 1949-1952 the stock the gas rod and tube. i found out a nice website with much usefull information on it good stuff
Thx anyway buddy, have a good one
For me I would love to get a mint M 39 but also one where the stock is in incredibly rough shape and have a new stock created for it out of modern materials, either in black or modern camo, But the material in the look would be the only thing different. By the look I mean whether it’s solid black or camouflage. The question is, where could you get some thing like that made?
@polygunz007 How precious are said recievers? I'm only wondering because i have a 1930 mosin that has a hex but it Is covered in some sort of black paint most likely done back at the arsenal. Would it be worth it to clean it up?
they have 9130 here cheap 89.00 bucks i gave one but am looking to get another. what would you recommend i look for to really find a gem? thanks!
Would you recommend the sporterize of a 91/30 Hex 1933? Just picked one up and I thought about sporterizing it, but I am torn on the idea.
Great video and am looking forward to the build.
My 1905 Enfield was sporterised a couple of decades before I was born, it has a beautiful walnut stock and a ph5a aperture sight. From what I've heard the real old ones had stuffed barrels due to corrosive primers. so people would rebarrel and restock to make them shooters again. has to be better than leaving them to just look at.
Great video, Sir! Thank you very much.
what would you say about putting a high quality scope on a mosin nagat?
Where did you get the stock to restore the sporter to original millitary style?
I was thinking about getting a mosin barrel and action and putting a synthetic stock on it. What stock would you recommend?
Every WWII rifle that will ever be made has been. There is a limited supply and to look at a WWII firearm and say it's ok because they are a dime a dozen and will never dry up is wrong. They will eventually dry up. People, please don't destroy a piece of history by trashing out a military firearm. If it has been damaged in a fire or something similar and can never be returned to original equipment then yes, rather than tossing it, then sporterize the gun. 2010 every gun store had plenty of these guns around. it's 2020 and now most gun stores no longer have them because they have gone up in price so much. Price them online, as another poster said you can't get them for under $200 and most good ones go for $275 or more. It was 2006, the day after thanksgiving and my brother was ordering a Mosin to give to his son in law for Christmas. They were on sale for $69, regular price $99. I kick myself for not getting a few. Of course in the 1980's I lived less than 10 miles from the CMP store and didn't buy up Garands and M1 carbine either. *kick* *kick*.
any idea how much a "Gew 98" mauser amberg 1915 would be worth and what cal it is? I can't really find any prices. THANKS!!
Can't wait to see the series. I'm always willing to learn about military surplus firearms.
What is your opinion on the archangel stock?
My 7.35 finnish carcano SA is in great shape. I cannot tell if it was used or not. THe stock is dinged, but the blue is there, and there was a little green in the barrel before I cleaned it up.
Does this sound like it might have been issued?
ive seen it everywhere....but can u please explain it to me. what does " don't tread on me" mean or stand for?
Where did you find the replacement Finn M39 stock. Been looking for one like that for over a year.
The Mosins are getting harder to find. A local show this past week end had a great showing of 91/30 and M44 offerings. Most were priced at $350 for a Tula Hex 91/30 and a couple of 20s 91/30s. I did grab a M44 in really nice shape, matching numbers, great bluing. original sling, etc.. The good news I got it $200 The bad news is the bore was black and looked like sand paper. I used a few tricks to clean it up. After 2 hours of working on the barrel it turned out good. Good rifling but there is evidence of pitting. It isn't desirable to have pitting but it's not excessive. I'll take it to the range soon but I'll bet it will shoot just fine. I was up front with the owner and said that I would offer more but the bore is a crap shoot. He was fine with that. So for a little bit of work it paid off. Happy hunting!
there's a 1873 Beaumont at my local gun store that has been sportized badly a foot cut off the end, no crown, no front site. it's listed at $300, how much should I ask for it?
no its not ok , dont destroy them !
if it's mine I'm going to do what I want.
that being said I will not butcher a gun that someone else hasn't cut up already.
i got a russian sks, what do you think about putting a tapco t6 stock on. i need a second oppinion...
I have a 1950 long branch Enfield mk 3 that the stock was already sported when i got it. The barrel is still complete and full length. I am trying to decide to convert it back to original, change it to a reproduction sniper version, or custom sport it.
i personally think that its okay unless it was combat worn because the combat worn rifles, once you sporterize a combat worn rifle you have just done a huge disservice to the veterans/veteran whom used that rifle.
darthsquid2000ish You do realise it was a commie who carried this rifle into combat, if it saw combat?
so, they still died and our fought for their countries 'freedom' well more like oppression and you realize that the "communist" that carried the rifles weren't always supporters of communism, it just happened it was a communist rifle at the time and i was also referring to military surplus rifles as a whole such as world war 1 world war 2 occasionally Korea and Vietnam. and no i do not mean the communists in Vietnam ad Korea i'v seen photos of U.S. allied soldiers carrying the rifles such as the mosin the sks.
I'm a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, and I would be completely ok with someone sporterizing my rifle.
+Robert Guinn Too bad we can't get surplus m14's, m16's or m4's thanks to ATF 1986 bullshit "Once a machine gun always a machine gun."
you know, I dont think the veterans would really care if their rifle was cleaned up or not.
i was thinking about sporterizing a steyr m95... any suggestions?
My m38 grip is black in the spots someone would hold it.what does that mean
That a black guy used your weapon.
+luise cobian It's just a form of wear.
Any idea of what kind of finish and stain is on the M39 stock?
Happy Thanksgiving too all! I have a couple questions. First I have seen that u have done different lengths of barrels and what length in the scout realm is tue most accurate. Givin its mainly the shooter but seeing you have more knowledge I thought I would ask this and second when you have done barrels cuts when crowning have they all been the same diamensions roughy and angle? Thank you for your time and your knowledge is greatly appreciated.
I thought when it was a rough round, it was actually a Hex that was sanded down during war refurb?
what year of production is your garand?
yeah i'm gonna put a brass stacker mount and a pistol scope on mine. btw does your '36 Izzy have that thumb cut-out behind the rear barrel band like i talked about in my other comment?
-- Looking forward to it. I just found out that Timney makes a replacement trigger group that has a push button safety for Mosin Nagants. Is the one that you are going to use made that way? Just wondering... Thanks for sharing sir!
Wow this is an old video Eric has come a long way since 2010 and I just bought my first mosin for 150 which is a good deal here in 2017 haha
so a simple bedding (pillar and glass) job, free floating the barrel and mounting a scope would alright in your book?
whats Sporterize is that modfifed ?
I am looking forward on seeing a series of videos, on how to modernize a mosin.
Makes good sense. Great video. Thumbs up.
I really like that what I watch is always the real deal, might drop in one day to gat my own rifle refitted.
God bless y'all.
does moss pawn have any excellent 91/30's in stock
I was very fortunate to come across a 1927 Tula hex head at a reasonable price and I'm going to sporterize the hell out of it... What are your thoughts on that
+paul nichols I would say that it'd be a bit too old and uncommon for me to sporterise (I've got a '30 Izhevsk Hex Ex-Dragoon that I wouldn't DARE sporterise) But it's your rifle. ...If you did sporterise yours, I'd still be very interested in seeing it. I enjoy Mosins
how much would it cost to sporterize a 91/30?
what is your opinion of the 1903 ross 303
hey Iraqveteran8888, is there anyway i could get u to do a video on an SVT-40? i have one myself and it shoots great, but i know theres not a whole hell of alot of them in the states and id love to get more info on it
I think taking the stock off and popping it into an archangel is fine as long as you can eventually put it back together in original condition.
Agree with everything you said in the video.
Ill try to send you some pics of some of my sporterized nagants, and factory ones.
Oh ya... that timney trigger is a darn good trigger. If you have a synthetic stock its not drop in though, but its well worth the money!!
Just got home from deer hunting with my m38, didnt get one but, gotta go oil it down, i hate rust. Always good videos !!
I just finished watching the series on the Mosin Nagant - Very fine Job!!! Just watching the process of making it the right length barrel and finish it properly made me cringe. I want to make my 21 inch .223 barrel for the Contender a 16.5". You absolutly convinced me to hire the job out!
I.m getting a 7.7 Arisaka converted to .35 whelen because the grooves are totally gone an it isn't a weapon basically, also I have an 1891 mauser that was converted to 30-06 is wore out and I'll be converting it to 8mm-06
Are those cartridges safe for an 1891 action?
@Iraqveteran8888 im looking forward to watching you pillar and glass that sporter project. How do you like the Rock Solid mount, would you reccomend it?
I just picked up a chopped Enfield. I love it.
Im so jealous of the bluing on that mosin nagant! such a beaut!
Your knowledge of firearms is superb sir.
But another interesting point is that military arms go up in value if they are restored to their original armory condition. A case in point- another guy I know bought a rusted up M1861 Springfield musket. The stock was in good condition but the metal parts weren't. My friend who owns the M1795 took it, worked his magic, and returned the musket to the guy with the metal parts being armory bright and showing slight pitting. That made it worth more than the $800 paid to get it.
Cant wait for the video series, Eric.
-J. Brown
91's with milled triggerguards are the best ones to build a custom from.
Looking forward to the Mosin project.
I have a desporterized m44.. i hated it like that w the ati stock n no bayonet.. it was also a sniper model.. its got littoe strips over drill holes in stock where pu mount was..
Would love to see how to unsporter a military rifle I see a lot of them around here for cheap
You have come a long way sir
Thanks for the laugh, good day sir.
cant wait to see the project I am thinking of doing the same thing.
Does someone knows where I can buy rifles like this one? I need rifles in original condition, form WWII or earlier...Mosin Nagant, Kar 98 or any other european bolt action rifle! Thanks a lot!
Why do you read the date off of the barrel instead of the date on the receiver?
I thought that the date on the receiver counted as the date when the gun was manufactured. The ones I have seen in my area the barrels are normally from the 1920's-1930's however the dates on the receivers are all like 1951-1953 range.
Quick question for anyone out there, I intend to do a 100% reversible sporterization of my Chinese Nagant T53, was the cheapest I could pick up, Boyd's stock, no Gunsmith Jmeck scope mount. will keep the stock packed away, and will be able to change back at any time. Do you think I will be pissing off people who like to conserve this military piece. Just a project, will be able to change out with any other Nagant action down the track. Thoughts would be great :)
I have a 91/30 with a hex receiver from 1931, and the only "modding" I've done to it was replace the front sight with one I could see better (and I've been thinking of trying a rubber butt-plate out on it too), but nothing permanent. I just love the history about it. But to each, his own.