8 Answers Fallout Season 2 Needs to Deliver
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- Fallout Season 2 is confirmed! We're going to need it to solve these mysteries, answer these questions and flesh out the Fallout lore on some specific, tantalizing points. Join Fallout fans Andy, Jane and Mike for a spoileriffic discussion of the Fallout TV show's first season, including what we liked, what we didn't, and the stuff the show needs to reveal in season two. Subscribe for more Fallout from Outside Xbox!
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I hope Thadius ends up a cowardly/friendly super mutant and joins the party to round out the Wizard of Oz analogy. Maximus as the Tin Man, the Goul as the Scarecrow, Lucy as Dorothy, and super mutant Thadius as the cowardly lion. Lucy even found Maximus stuck in place like the Tin Woodsman. If New Vegas is like the emerald city next season, then Mr. House would be like the Wizard if he is alive.
That's awesome! I really didn't think about that
they even have a dog
I love this.
This is a great theory
I was wondering how many people picked up on the wizard of oz references
The Snake Oil Salesman 100% feels like he's an homage to Weird Wasteland encounters.
A true scholar and a gentleman.
In the birthday scene, one of the dads calls Coop a "pinko" , a cold war era slur for a communist sympathizer; which to me suggests he tried to blow the whistle and was discredited as being communist leaning like some of his film star friends
That was my conclusion as well. It's straight up McCarthyism to accuse people you don't like of being a red/pinko/communist as a basis to persecute and discredit them.
That was my interpretation too, but I'll raise you this prediction: his wife is the one to accuse him in order to save her job/vault spot
I think it was more just using the slur for someone who just doesn’t toe the line/disagrees with you. Coop’s called this after turning down the Dad’s request for doing the famous thumb’s up pose, and we hear later in one of the last episodes that communist has become a slur for someone who is disagreeable, not because they are actually a commie. Which very much brings vibes of the 50s Red Scare where some people were labeled commie just for being weird/different and it was a great way to get rid of someone or make ‘em shut up
Nah. It was specifically said that "communist is just a dirty word for people who aren't insane". That's the thesis you should be working from.
@@lawrencetalbot8346so like calling someone a yatzi today.
Calling it now. The Ghoul's horse is also still alive, and a ghoul horse, and that's why he carries everything in saddlebags so that when he finds his horse he already has saddlebags.
This is now my headcanon lmao
It makes zero sense lore wise but I love it. 10/10 will consume just for this
I seriously wanted him to have a ghoul horse (one of my fave books aesthetic wise is the devil's rose by brom) so I would love this
He has saddlebags because he took the saddlebag from the gangster that freed him at the beginning
There aren't horses in fallout, and we don't wanna poke the fallout 1, 2 and nv fans again.
Couple of things I noticed:
Barb was the head of marketing, the CMO (hence being in charge of advertising).
Also, Coop implies his career is already dead. He comments that Codsworth is the only of his invites who shows up to the party at his house because he’s been shunned by Hollywood for doing the Vault-TEC commercials.
MR. REYNHOLM !!!
it sounded to me like he only started getting shunned by Hollywood _after_ doing the Vault-TEC ads
@tristanholderness4223 yes that's what they're saying, the implication a lot of other people seem to take is that his career only went downhill after going to the "communist" meetings and his wife divorcing him
Codsworth is the name of the character he played, the in-universe name for the actor is Sebastian Leslie.
When Cooper has his "I bet that outfit makes y'all feel like a big man" moment, he's loading ammo into his gun that's different from the ammo he uses against Maximus. The key difference between those two scenes is that he wasn't expecting Maximus to show up. After encountering Maximus in power armour, he needed to be prepared to potentially face more armoured BoS.
Yeah, I figured he wasn't long out the coffin and hadn't gathered the requisite ammo yet. He hadn't done enough quests yet!.
@@scottneil1187put simply he wasn’t expecting power armor. And even more, Coop was a soldier. He was trained in using those power armors, he knew Maximus had no idea what was going on
@@mistercleff8819 More over, when Maximus showed up, he was fighting mostly unarmoured and lightly armoured targets, he had loaded his gun with rounds effective against soft targets. aka bullets that couldn't punch through Power Armour.
yeah, i remember seeing the round he shot the first guy with and thinking it looked like a sabot round.
Yup and New Vegas has different ammo types so we've already seen this dynamic in the games
In one of the enclave scenes. there is a figure under a sheet transported on a gurney, and you only get to see the hand, pretty sure that was a super mutant.
Exactly what I was thinkin
I thought so too at first but that hand is quite dark, and we are in the realm of nightkin being in the neighbourhood.
I mean, hey. Big green hand of a big green man
I though that was an alien. It seemed much too thin to be a super mutant.
i think what was implied between hank and moldaver was that because the previous overseer had died, someone else from the vault had stepped up. hank had kind of a weird reaction to her, and he wouldnt have been able to do anything about it because he couldnt risk leaking the secret of vault 31
Yeah, not all of Bud's Buds would know each other before being frozen, at least not all that well. In his mind she might have only been recently defrosted and he's having a "You look familiar... but where do I know you from" reaction. Did they bump into each other at the Vault-Tec Christmas party in 2076, or did they bump into each other in Shady Sands? He can't quite figure it out at first.
Moldaver's last words were "we did it, Rose", so I'm sure they were close. As to why she would let her raiders attack Lucy, I think she's just an asshole who thinks her friend's daughter is acceptable collateral damage for capturing Hank to get the cold fusion code. Also FEV might play a big role next season. In the current canon, China attacked the US because the US wouldn't stop making FEV. So Vault-Tec might have figuratively "dropped the bomb" by leaking information about FEV production to China to provoke a war.
Iirc in the games the peace talks actually break down, leading to the bombs. In the show all we have seen is the peace talks going well, and Vault Tec starting to talk about wanting the bombs to drop. I think you’re correct, I think Vault Tec are going to mess with the peace talks in some way.
I think a good explanation for why Vault-Tec may have been caught unprepared when the bombs dropped is that as a corporate entity, they didn't actually have their finger on the button, they were merely acting as provocateurs, and that's not an exact science. So yes, they wanted war to happen, but they did it by putting provocative events into motion, not by actually launching the missiles, which they didn't directly control. They just pushed a little too hard and The Enemy reacted faster than they expected.
Or just left-hand/right-hand within Vault-Tec. 'Our bunch' were expecting things to kick off a day or so later, but someone jumped the gun for whatever reason.
OR…someone involved simply effed up…poor judgment, like making human hybrids or nuking the world, is pretty common place in Fallout Lore…or it was Zetan infiltrators…
I mean come on... People have plans. The USA FEMA has a zombie plan 🤣🤑
Within the fallout 2 lore the USA (enclave) did the nuking of both countries. So the provocateur explanation checks put to me
In the games there are two dropped and unexploded nukes in the wasteland and they both have the Vault Tec logo.
My theory is that the snake oil salesman had gotten a hold of a Vault Tec "miracle cure". Cooper is seen to be smoking constantly in the flashbacks. In the present, whenever he waits too long to take his medicine, he's shown with a pretty significant smoker's cough, the kind that is often used to foreshadow lung cancer in TV/movies. Maybe he got sick and was duped into being a test subject, just like when he wore the first generation power armor in Alaska.
Speaking of the power armor, I think he doesn't shoot Max in the chest immediately because the first thing he sees Max do is use his own body to shield Lucy, which, given what we'd seen already by that point, doesn't seem like typical behavior for a Knight of the BoS. I think Cooper picked up on this and Max's clumsy use of the armor and, correctly, guessed that he was just some dumb kid playing hero. I think he saw a younger, pre-war version of himself and took a little pity.
I like that idea and it's a good one, unfortunately the cure thing is simply to stop them going feral, but your theory is nice and could be spin into it somehow, like how people are puzzled over how Walters ghoul isn't feral yet, maybe his was induced by said cure?
Yeah, the coughing thing seems to be bundled into the "ghoul needs his drugs" explanation, but your theory a to why his withdrawal type symptoms resemble a smoker's cough is very interesting. I like it.
As for the Snake Oil Salesman, I'm not sure. I believe, there must be more than 1 way to become a ghoul. We see the "magic cure" way, I hope to see that character more in season 2 as well, and the radiation way. I'm not sure if Cooper would fall under just radiation, both, or some third way. But I haven't dug that deep into Fallout lore...yet, lol.
the snake oil salesman got hold of the FEV. I'm calling it.
I don't think Cooper cares about boys or heroes or boys playing heroes in the slightest. He shot a kid in cold blood just because he thought the kid might come after him.
@@hmspretender it's canon in the games that people turned themselves into ghouls before the war in an attempt at immortality/longer life. I'm guessing the snake oil salesman found a leftover batch of what those pre-war people used
More videos like this please. Love a long form discussion between all of you about something you’re interested in
The Ghoul’s daughter is a supermutant played by Ron Pearlman
No, she ended up on the other side of the world and now drives one of Immortan Joe's war trucks
I mean, while that would be funny imo she's obviously the current overseer of vault 33 🤷🏾
@@geraintthomas4343 no, that’s Betty. Betty shows up a bit younger with Hank when Cooper is listening to his wife.
@@AmyHoldaway27 ah ok, i must have missed that. It just seems like a twist to give the most substantial gut punch.
"I didn't literally mean drop the bomb -- it was an idiom, it was a turn of phrase!"
There's a conversation Jane has rehearsed once or twice.
The Fatman is bound to have an epic scene eventually.
Edited: how about a scene with a super mutant behemoth and they luckily find a loaded fatman to take it out with
Personally i think between a fight with the brotherhood of steel someone will use it
I hope so.
Hope so, specifically a MIRV, could see Coop firing one of them at a bunch of soldiers.
09:50 (about): Cooper Howard's career from a nose dive as soon as he followed his wife's advice and worked with Vault-Tec. He implies a much during his poolside drink conversation with his actor friend.
And I think it's great that the character of Cooper Howard was written in such a way that he isn't a pacifist because he always was, but because of everything he witnessed in the war. In my opinion he wants his movies to have that not violent ending because he wants people, and especially kids like his daughter, too see that violence isn't always the only way to solve problems. He wants to deliver people that world in his movies because they sure as heck ain't gonna get it in the real world.
18:19 There's a good bet Thaddeus is going to become a super mutant. When the Fallout Wiki describes the Forced Evolutionary Virus, it says "In most cases, it is seen in the form of a green liquid... but it can also be administered via an aerosol solution." That's how the Snake Oil Salesman prepares it, and even adds that Thaddeus won't have to worry about radiation anymore
28:50 you have to remember, Lucy's sexual history sounds like it's primarily been with the guy who said "that is one wet lady!" so I really don't think Maximus has appreciably less rizz than SHE, PERSONALLY, is accustomed to
Yeah, also Lucy was cool with an arranged marriage whose primary goal was to produce healthy children. Also.... it might have worked. That Raider guy seemed to be making an effort at least. His "seduction" technique was.... straightforward, but matched Lucy's personality. Lucy was like "Oh, now? Ok."
@@marhawkman303 Okey dokey!
@@marhawkman303 If it weren't for all the murder, Lucy and Mounty probably would have be great together.
@@ReedstiltHonestly, Moldaver might be a genius physicist, she certainly lacks interpersonal intelligence.
@@ReedstiltI don't see any evidence of that other than he was also immediately ready to get down to business (which was probably due to him knowing they had very limited time)
Regarding Lucy's mother being kept alive (so to speak) by Moldaver as a ghoul, I felt there was clear subtext implied that she basically couldn't let Lucy's mother die until she restored power back to Shady Sands. Like Moldaver understands her soul is dead, yet can't bare to kill her body until their dream of Shady Sands has been restored. Or at least the promise of it.
That, and the whole "look what your father did to your mother" thing.
Still kinda weird for Moldaver to make this life with this woman, to care for her, then several years later let that woman's daughter be taken off to be no-no'd by some raider.
Yes and I believe at some point after the power was restored Moldaver said to Lucy's mom something along the lines of "We did it". Implying that it was both Moldaver and Lucy's mom's dream
They were quite clearly a couple
But then why wud she throw her daughter to a raider to be basically set up to be murdered
@@davidalpeter9963 Was she expecting Lucy to get murdered? Taken prisoner seems more likely.
"There is loads of them, maybe eight"
Are we about to break the rule of seven? gasp
Rulle? It's more like a suggestion really. :D
Do you want a shelter from the spoilers?
Why not try one of several fine Vault-Tec options!
Plot twist: the experiment in that vault is it has the ability to scan the inhabitants' brains to determine all the movies and shows they always wanted to watch pre-war.
The vault then engineers situations where all of those pieces of media are spoiled for the dweller, and their slow decent in to madness is tracked. Eventually all dwellers fall in to despair as no new media is being created and everything they might have been interested in is now ruined.
@@lacrossevmy absolute nightmare lmao calm the hell down satan
Vault Tec Plan D - Safe From All Future Spoilers.... Forever!
My guess is that the Ghoul made a deal to save his family in a vault, he was likely supposed to be included in said deal but for some reason was then kicked out and left to fend for himself.
It is also possible that his wife simply said I'm taking our kid into the vault but you can't join this.
To stay with his dog that he loves and still remembers 200 years later
If this theory turns out to be true, it may be a tip of the hat to the CZcams series Nuka Break. Their ghoul's origin was that he signed up for the vault before getting married. The guards wouldn't let his wife in bc she wasn't registered. This ended up being only half the reason that that ghoul didn't get in the vault. The potential Easter egg tie being Amazon's ghoul & wife signed up for the vault before having their kid so he gave up his spot for their daughter.
@@BOTBdemon6996 if this is true i might start crying... worse could be that the dog follows them, and he has to take the dog outside the vault so they lock him out with the dog. The dog dies, he becomes a ghoul and I become a blubbering mess for a good 30 mins
I have a theory. I think Hank is heading for Vault 21, which unknown to him has been filled with concrete by House
There are 3 ways technically, the serum from the Cabot family. It’s the blood of lorenzo Cabot.
the Flame Mother cult scene in Vault 4 had some definite blood-drinking, I'm leaning to the Cabots or something similar
And Jack does go to the mojave doesn't he
The Cabots are part of a part of a subsection of Fallout lore that is so out in left field that I'd be shocked if the show ever tackles. Down in the deepest depths of the Fallout Iceberg, down below even the Zetans, there's all this weird stuff about ancient civilizations and Lovecraftian entities. Best case scenario I could see for that would be having a character raving about mad conspiracy theories without any confirmation.
I think that's the one mike was referencing that he said he'd need to look up, iirc its the one that gives you like +16000 rads or maybe (-16000), i forget - I remember finding some but never doing anything with it & mostly just forgetting about it until I stumbled on it on a wiki some time later. I think it's more likely to be either ghoulification or FEV though, we don't see a supermutant per se but I think in EP2 the scientist sees a big mutant hand slip out from a cover on a gurney. Also to me, that vault of scientists that the Vault-tec advertisment that Cooper did the advert alongside, that were also shown in a recording near the end, to me it sounded like they were barring the door from super mutants - i seem to recall large sounding / thundering bangs on the door.
@@Houldey their is the mysterious serum that can cure any disease and gets rid of all radiation and then theirs the Cabot family which is the blood of lorenzo Cabot who is wearing and alien artifact(crown) that made him immortal but also crazy. His family have been using his blood to stay young for over 400 years.
So it is explained in the show why he doesn't question her as a vault overseer. He says that he was sorry to hear that the previous overseer died when their crops were blighted. So she is a random vault dweller that has taken over after the last overseers unexpectedly died. Possibly they didn't have anyone on deck to take over immediately.
We do find out that the entire population of vault 32 died about two years pre-show. I wonder if Hank knew about the deaths or just the death of the overseer.
I also think Moldaver and Rose were a couple :)
In Interstellar, Matthew McConaughey‘s character, Cooper, meets his daughter at the end when she is an old lady. The film was written by Jonathan Nolan…
Regarding cold fusion: the main reason the NCR was after the Hoover dam was for the electricity, they were also holding HELIOS One for its power generation potential. If the NCR either lost the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, or won and some other catastrophe cut them off again, cold fusion could be badly needed. It was also noted that fusion cores were very rare, implying sources of power are hard to come by.
Fusion cores also burn out when used in Power Armour, meaning the BoS almost certainly hunts them down first & remove them from the equation.
If Moldaver's cold fusion device is truly infinite power, it might be able to charge all their suits & remove their operational time limits
@@Gigawolf1That’s just a game mechanic. Lore wise, a single fusion core can last for hundreds of years
@@ChaosDeary I would say that a single core can last for hundreds of years and still hold what is basically a full charge in most use-cases, yes. But Power Armor is just so intensive (and perhaps inefficient due to the technology being developed during a heated war where it was needed yesterday and damn the expense) of a use-case that it burns through them. The cores running out may or may not have ever been explicitly stated in lore, but then, fusion cores as a whole didn't exist in Fallout lore until 4, so I don't think that's a good reason to assume it's a gameplay-only idea.
Speaking of which, I wonder if they're going to acknowledge the differences in technology from New Vegas lore to the show's lore. I think it wasn't so much of an issue bringing the technology from 4 into the location from 1 because the first game was so long ago that not many people would point it out, but I think Fallout: New Vegas is too recent for them to be able to assume that. I think either Season 2's New Vegas needs to not have any of the technology that was introduced in 4, which would be interesting to see but would probably complicate things for the writers more than the lore-accuracy is valuable, or there should be a few lines or a side-plot that establishes that traders have brought old Pre-War tech from other regions of the US to New Vegas/are distributing them around the country, so any lore item that any of the games or the show have introduced could start popping up anywhere. Or, they could just leave it unanswered, which would be simple but disappointing.
Travelling salesman now has a fusion core. I can imagine him finding Titus' power armor and well...there's an arc.
Thaddeus might come back for revenge vs a power-armour wearing travelling salesman lmao
I thought him receiving the fusion core must mean something he's clearly got a use for it
Now THAT'S the season 5 finale no-one is asking for but everyone unknowingly needs.
@@punkyyetgeeky
Fusion cores are rare. Worth a lot of caps.
@@k9commander Yeah but it just seemed like they made a big deal about giving it to him Thaddeus was pretty hesitant and then they had a whole shot that was just their hands as he passed it to him. I would be really surprised if they just never mentioned it again lol but I guess it's possible
The actress who plays Moldaver basically confirmed there was an intimate relationship between Moldaver and Rose. I am wondering how she convinced raiders to work with her, clearly she had like 4 or 5 NCR soldiers with her but the rest were just wild raiders. I also suspect the "Flame Mother" worship is some kind of Mother of Dragons-like walking out of the fire thing where she's worshiped because she somehow survived actually being in the explosion. I have no doubt she will be alive again in Season 2.
My guess is that the raiders she's working with at the beginning are also Shady Sands survivors, just ones that didn't flee to a vault or start rebuilding on the surface. So post-destruction, you get a microcosm of post-Great War, with the survivors following the same three basic paths of survival (raiders, vaultdwellers, and surface settlers).
Due to the ash thing in the ceremony in vault four, I wonder if Moldaver hasn't resurrected before, like the Phoenix.
Hank mentions immediately after Moldaver introduces herself that he was "Sad to hear of Overseer Jackson's passing".
My guesses: wife & daughter have been turned into robo-brains
Wilzig was a resident of shady sands, then got scooped up by Enclave. Knows so much about the vaults due to contact with Lucy’s mother.
Maximus will be villain by end of S2 for S3(maybe?), conflicted by Lucy but also by the power & respect he’s accumulated in BoS.
Norm will be the one to take down the Vault Tec management remnants(across all vaults, if they introduce more)
Nice theories!
Do wanna nitpick about Wilzig. I don't think the West Coast Enclave would hire someone from the wasteland, considering all their plans in the original games.
But then again at the same time, we don't really know much about the Enclave in the show, since supposedly they were destroyed (West Coast in 2, East in 3), with only a few remnants remaining, whilst seemingly being a powerful and functioning faction now?
Gotta learn more about them in Season 2.
@@nathanh5448 very good points regarding Enclave. Without the ability for nationwide communications post-war, there could be pockets of them anywhere.
My thinking was that Hank was also possibly always working on a fusion like power source in the vault. As the first shot when Lucy is describing her attributes, she talks about the science club with her dad & the device she’s working on looks remarkably like the cold fusion reactor from ep8
I was wondering if Norm was going to cause all the pods to malfunction, There wouldn't be anyone there to fix it since they all seem like they were office people not engineers. Thus meaning that to save Bud's Buds they would have to open vault 31 to the other 2 vaults and the problems (and hilarity) ensue.
I think a question that needs to be asked is what are the Brotherhood of Steel going to do with the Cold Fusion device? Given that their main deal is to hoard pre-war tech, I can't imagine they would just leave it to power a crumbling city. They're going to take it for themselves. I don't know what they could do with it though. I'm guessing that Maximus' story will delve into this.
They could build more weapons that consume alot of power. Like liberty prime. The east coast chapter basically rebuilt him, you reverse engineer the cold fusion device, and make a mass produced model of Liberty prime, and its joever. Literally no faction could oppose them.
@@valentinchappa6702OH MY GOD IT'S FATHER ELIJAH WITH HIS ARMY OF SIERRA MADRE SECURITY PROJECTIONS! The ultimate showdown!
The conversation with Barb on the way home went 100% like this:
- What the hell, Barbara, you want to destroy the world now? For what, profits? Are you insane?
- You. Listened. To my. Work. Meeting. How could you. It's so over, Cooper.
It’s a bit weird she acts strange in that meeting as it begins, she seems flustered. I was expecting by her to have realised why her pip boy was playing up, or who had caused it too. Also, she looks up at someone observing the meeting (I think it’s Braun from fallout 3) and then says all of that.
Cinematic Deathclaw vs Super Mutant fight please
Twenty caps on the Deathclaw
That Super Mutant is screwed unless it’s a behemoth
A lone supermutant walks amongst the crags of the Wasteland, a shadow flits overhead. He steps out into a valley just for the deathclaw to lunge from above and kill him.
While it feasts we hear a roar from behind. The Deathclaw stands to defend from the challenger, and finds a trio of further supermutants enraged at the death of their pointman.
A fight ensues that results in two gutted Supermutants each locking one of the deathclaw's arms before the third Supermutant walks up and tears off the deathclaw's head, holding it up triumphantly.
Fade to a flag bearing a deathclaw's head, representing the show's Super Mutant Faction, remnants of the Master, wanderers from Vault 87, and assorted victims of various unknown FEV experiments congregated in one last bid to dominate the wasteland under Mutant supremacy... I can see it now, and therefore they will not do it.
I think the power armour fault isn't used on Max because he earnestly believes the Brotherhood is doing good, and stands for justice and helping people, and the ghoul is curious as to whether it's a one off, or the Brotherhood is different now, and when he sees that they aren't, and still try to rule with fear, he chooses to exploit the weakness. It shows that his character still cares about some things, even though he tries to act like he doesn't.
What if Muldaver is a clone? It’s been done in Fallout before.
plenty of ways to ship a living human from prewar to plotpoint in the fallout universe. genetic clone, moleculor clone, frozen, synth, robobrain, implanted memories, ghoulification. i'm sure there's others i've forgotten
@@MrOsmodeusImmortality serum from Fallout 4 is a thing, but that's a weird side quest I'm not sure is entirely canon in the continuity of the show. The most based would be speeding them up to close to light speed, then stopping them when the timer's done and the date's right 😂😂😂
That’s a Gary thought. Uh, scary, I mean. Gary! Gar-eey…
In the first episode, when Lucy is leaving the vault, Norm looks down over the barrier and the vault is absolutely massive. They take the elevator up to the main vault door, and the doors for 31 and 32 are on the same level as 33. So I wanna know what’s on the other levels.
Bud does mention in the meeting that they have resources stored away, so could be that. But also bombs. Probably.
Also, who’s the shadowy figure up behind the glass in the meeting room?
I have two theories on the lack of super mutants.
In universe, an established, large scale settlement like Shady Sands could feasibly have wiped them out in the area and they haven't had the chance to roam in since. And I think across all the games it's stated their numbers are dwindling due to having no reliable means of making more of themselves, with the protagonist's actions further destroying those means.
Out of universe, purely a budget constraint, making them as a practical effect like the armours would be super expensive or just too difficult to create in suitably terrifying numbers and having those same numbers created with cgi would have used up way too much of the effects budget.
19:00 Honestly, every PipBoy in Vault 33 should have gone off like mad as soon as they opened the door to let in the "visitors" from 32. 🤔
not if they changed the sensitivity settings, otherwise everyone's would be going off every time Gucy was around too?
or it is on by default, but can be turned off.
@@mattyt1961 I think you're thinking of Vault 4, not 31/32/33 at the beginning. As for the PipBoy, the rads detector is always on in-game, but that can easily be explained away. Was just a silly observation ;)
there was a supermutant tease. we see a green hand under a sheet in the enclave scene i think.
I personally hope that in season two, he finds out that his wife and his daughter lived in a vault their entire lives until they died, and they have descendants that have passed down with the Howard name. He gets to meet one of these descendants… and his name is Todd.
I've watched Fallout 3 times now, lol. I the scene where The Ghoul talks to the Brotherhood, he is loading his gun with different ammo, armor piercing, I guess. Maybe he didn't have any in the first fight with Maximus.
Or perhaps he wasn't fully confident that the chest plate flaw was apart of the T60 power armor. We knew the T45s had the flaw, but the T60s are supposed to be an Upgrade.
Gotta say I love when they make videos like this just discussing a specific show/game.
PipBoy on the table is so on point, forgot that thing existed
Season 2 will take place in New Vegas and possibly involve Mr. House? It's a shame René Auberjonois has already passed. We'll have to miss out on his silky pipes.
Yeah, they already cast a young Robert House from that final boardroom scene between all the major US companies at the Vault-Tec HQ, so my bet is they'll either use that actor as a basis for casting an older House, have that actor play an older House, or have House be dead (probably from vague circumstances so as to not force any endings of New Vegas to be canon) and his role in the story is all from his long-game preparations.
@@dominateeyeI'd love to see house running the strip just because I think it'd be the most interesting option
I'm curious about this drug that stops Ghouls from going feral. As far as I know, this has never been a thing in the games.
Same! And Todd Howard has said that everything in the show is canon so maybe the next Fallout will also use that. Maybe you could even play as a ghoul, would be an interesting way to play the game.
I think it's just a doodad for the show
yeah, my first reaction to ghouls are all addicts now was "well i guess fallout 4 ended with billy eating the players face" billy was locked in a fridge with only the rads sustaining him for 210 years. so either ghouls need chems to remain lucid and billy was feral, or that's getting re-retconned
@catsnorkel a friend of mine believes the same, he said "Hollywood gonna hollywood" in regards that they made a gimmick to have bigger stakes. This whole time I thought it was a retconned version of Jet
Maybe it acts as like a kind of blood transfusion. Like Cooper gets injured so often that he needs the drug to keep from turning feral
Something interesting with Maldovar being a ghoul is that in Fallout 4 Nick Valentines notes on The Mysterious Stranger state some ghouls have minimal scars.
And there is the Goulified trait which basically means you are a Ghoul but look human on the outside.
I know it's no one on the OX Teams favorite Fallout game, but in 76, a big part of the main quest was for Vault Dwellers to gain control of the Nuclear silos in West Virginia. If other Vault did that on there Reclamation Day, then Hank may have been able to call in a strike remotely.
Also, notice that every Vault had a Reclamation Day, but they were all different. Vault 4 was like 50 years after the bombs, but Vault 76 was only 25 years, and most other Vaults were beyond 200 years!
I'm curious to see if they bring in any Fallout 76 lore into the show. For all we know it's a West Virginian nuke that got used on Shady Sands (assuming it was a nuke from above - which I do have some question about).
I could also see some Vault-Tec employing mentioning that they're recently graduated from VTU / Morgantown. That'd be an easy thing to slip in. Right now, I think the only bit of 76 lore in the show is that the West Virginia Vaults do show up on the Big Board.
I remember laughing at a clear 76 reference somewhere in the show, but now I can’t remember what it was. Arrgh! Need to re-watch anyway…
14:24 Muldover could be a synth with her memories implanted, like Valentine
my personal take: a lot of people seem to be confusing vault tec's *willingness* to drop the bomb with them actually dropping them, I very much agree that what we see in the show seems to send mixed messages. worth mentioning is that given everything is meant to be based on canon, there are a *lot* of US nuclear weapons in the games that were never launched during the war; fallout 76, love or hate it, has an entire in game event built around it. I would not be surprised to find there were several plans, and lots of them fell apart
mixed messages is on-brand for Fallout. it doesn't spell out lore as much as allude to it.
vault tech could have lied, or intended to do so if it wasn't happening on it's own. but it presumably did happen on it's own or many, many more vaults would have kicked off properly. 114 and 88 weren't finished likewise the robobrain vault only had the rich people's side.
What’s the NCR up to? Todd Howard basically confirmed they survived.
Weren’t they the ones with Moldaver
@@chrispanico2276 Probably a small detachment? Again, Todd confirmed it was still around in some in the interview where he also confirmed NV’s canonicity.
@@chrispanico2276 The other dude already mentioned that Moldaver's people were likely remnants, but it's also worth pointing out that by the 2280's the NCR is spread across several pseudo states up and down the West Coast, one of which held Shady Sands.
I wanna say it was Fallout 2 that stated New California Republic was comprised of ~700,000 citizens, even way back in 2241. Shady Sands 'only' held ~35,000 at its peak
One thing I noticed was when Lucy and Maximus walked up to the billboard saying welcome to Shady Sands, it said the "first" capital of the NCR. Maybe they have a new capital now. The NCR territory covers several states in the games, so they could have moved to a more defendable location.
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I put money on it being centered in either Arroyo or New Reno.
The bombs never dropped, places just exploded. That was something I noticed. I didn't put it together until after the meeting. Voltech started it all in this story. No one's pointed this yet and I find it odd
That's an interesting idea, and it would work with the fact that 76 establishes that plenty of nuclear missile silos still have ammunition left. I don't know that there's enough to declare it canon yet, but it would be very interesting if the reason nobody was prepared for the bombs was because the nuclear explosions weren't caused by bombs. People just assume they were because that was the logical conclusion of all the political tension at the time.
I'm wondering where the story goes if Norm chooses to enter the cryopod. I assume the current conflict will span the entirety of the series, so it seems like a strange choice to take him out of the action just as we beginning to get answers about the inner workings of the vaults.
Norman might uncover more about Vaults' inner workings by trying to find a way to escape.
My biggest questions:
Despite Shady Sands being nuked, the NCR was big enough that they have many towns, farms, a full on military, a President, a General, etc. Surely the capital of the NCR being gone doesn't mean the NCR is just gone now? They should still be pretty big. So will we get a bigger NCR presence in season 2? I'd love to see NCR Veteran Rangers.
Todd Howard said he didn't plan on making any of the endings of the games definitively canon. But if the airship from the first season really is the Prydwyn (It literally says it on the ship) then we now know that the canon ending to Fallout 4 is the BoS/Minutemen ending. But will they actually canonize an ending to New Vegas in season 2? I doubt it could be the Wild Card ending since I doubt they'll make the Courier a character in the show. I doubt it would be Caesar's Legion because then the city would be a slave city. So it's either the House ending or the NCR ending presumably?
Will Vault 76 be mentioned at all I wonder? A control vault that opens only 25 years after the bombs fell. Could make an interesting way to add a character into the show who's a descendant from the vault. "Oh yeah, our reclamation day was like 200 years ago with my great grandfather. You guys still hadn't left your vault?" to Lucy.
Will we see a synth? The Institute was only destroyed (If the BoS ending is canon) a decade ago. Synths should still be around and Could be cool to see one.
Could the Enclave actually make a comeback? They were close to extinction as of Fallout 3's ending, yet now we see California still has an Enclave base and supposedly the upper part of the country still has active Enclave bases. Would love to see them appear in the show with the X-01 and X-02 power armor and plasma guns
I'm fairly sure the true nature of vault 76 was for the overseer to secure the automated nuclear silos in Appalachia. This would sit in line with Vault Tecs plans to 'wipe the slate clean of competition' it may also have been to see what it's currently like on the surface and how well the Vault Dwellers survive. With it being an open ended MMO it's free to set whatever outcome they want for it.
@@swanchamp5136 You’re right but in terms of the vault itself, there was no experiment inside other than “Hey after 25 years y’all gotta get tf out.” So at least the dwellers had an ok 25 years. (Besides the overpopulation in the last few years from too much baby having)
I don't think the presence of the Prydwen (assuming that wasn't a production error and it's not supposed to be named something else, as some folks online have speculated) means that the BoS ending is canonical. It just means that any ending where you destroy the Brotherhood _isn't_ canonical. And you certainly don't have to do that for the Railroad ending, if I recall correctly.
I'd love FEV and Super Mutants. Only thing I didn't think was great about the show was the whole Soylent Green "Gulpers are people" subplot considering we *have* FEV in canon.
There's nothing suggesting that the Fingie Monster(tm) isn't ultimately a product of the Forced Evolutionary Virus to be fair. Fallout has already touched on FEV Chimeras with Centaurs, Snallygasters, and the unnamed Vault 87 experiments.
Well the gulpers aren't people exactly. More like hybrids
The Show Gulpers strike me as weird genetic hybrids of humans and axolotls, which makes some sense (as much as anything in Fallout makes sense) because axolotls are used in medical research and Vault 4 was experimenting on human genetics in radioactive environments. Might have used axolotls in those experiments.
This does make them quite different from the gulpers in Far Harbor and Appalachia, which are just giant mutant hellbenders without any obvious human components in the mix.
I really want to know how Hank didn't recognise Moldaver. Even if she isn't from vault 31, Hank had to know who she was after his wife took their kids, ran away and ended up with her.
Could be that he never met Moldaver I guess? Also Andy's theory of Hank knowing everyone in Vault 31 is incorrect I think, given that there could be hundreds of people frozen in there, maybe even over a thousand.
He probably just forgot her face,there was a gap of what I assume is around 20 years, probably even moresince he was unfroozen.
@@didimahape8408 LOL yeah, as someone who is pretty faceblind, it's always very funny to me when people act like it's a plothole when one character doesn't recognize another person they met once years earlier. Meanwhile, I don’t recognize my next door neighbor unless she has her puppy with her.
@@erraticonteuse Witness identifications are notoriously unreliable in court.
They keep calling him a snake oil salesman but his stuff did work
because he used only the freshest squeezed snakes
@@MrOsmodeus of course how could I have been so foolish
That's what his name is in the script and credits
@@phenjaws569 well then that's dumb because the joke of calling someone a "snake oil salesman" or referring to something as "snake oil" carries the implication that it or the things you're selling don't work but the stuff we see of his does work
@@troylentz6580 no it's referring to a grifter. which he was. he sold "medicine" to fix a foot for a fusion core. while it did fix the foot, it may have turned him into a ghoul or mutant in the process. so he was conned by a snake oil salesman
At the end of the fight scene with Cooper and Maximus you see him shoot at the chest then look a little surprised/disappointed it didn't kill him. Makes me wonder if something was cut like a line or scene that added more to why he didn't just kill him like he did the other people wearing the same armour. Maybe Titus took the armourer perk it to a stand improved it like in fallout 4 before he died.
They make mention of the tempered lining a few times for Titus' suit
Excellent timing, I just finished the show yesterday! It was your previous video that convinced me to give it a go 😊
When it comes to the lack of supermutants, I think they're mostly extinct on the west coast. After their creation in Fallout 1 by the master, their base and most of their people are destroyed. Then in fallout 2 the FEV is controlled by the Enclave, who are also destroyed. The mutants in Fallout New Vegan are all survivors of the original army and we've never seen any evidence of new FEV being discovered on the west coast. Without a way to create any more mutants their numbers will have been dwindling for over 150 years at this point. I look forward to seeing how or if these mutants have changed by their situation as an endangered species. (The reason there are still mutants on the east coast is because FEV was being experimented on in vault 87 and by the Institute.)
My question, which sort of got part of an answer in the show, was what exactly happened in Vault 32? Like, we see the aftermath of it (the 'fallout' if you will), but we never find out what instigated it. I'm just that kind of curious person who wants to know the full story. I want to know what caused them to go crazy and kill each other. Was it that they found out what was going on in Vault 31? Or was it something else? Because that was a lot of dead bodies in the Vault. For me, it just raised more questions than it ever answered...
If you go back and rewatch, they mentioned that vault 31 are miracle makers, when shit hits the fan. So how did shit hits the fan, probably 31 causes the problem that only they can fix. If that's the case, how easy is it for 31 to kill all the plants and cut off all food supplies.
that's half of the question, the show asked the real question. "what was your vaults experiment?" 31 was an ark for vault tech employees to play overseer. 33 residents seem super nice way beyond normal. maybe the residents of 32 are supposed to be jerks which is why they're supposed to intermingle every 3 years. test how optimistic and pessimistic populations create chaos when forced into marriages
They mention twice that Maximus/Titus power armor has a lining to make it stronger. So he may have tried shooting it, but also he uses different ammo in the final fight.
New Vegas was 𝘯𝘰𝘵 lit up like in 2281 in that final shot- it looked like it was in ruins by the show's setting of 2296. So House, NCR, and the Legion are probably done in that particular story one way or the other by this time
Honestly this was to be expected. If the place of the series is set around the area of FO4 or New Vegas they had to do something like this if they don't want to canonize a specific ending to the games (as both of them inevitabely end with one faction exterminating most of the others)
100% agree. It's supposed to be set after fallout 4. If they bombed Shady Sands, maybe they also bombed New Vegas at some point and that's why it's in ruins.
I saw a YT video where someone spotted a billboard by New Vegas, which advertised a cryo facility in Tops Casino. So maybe Moldaver was there? Side pondering, the show is meant to take place AFTER Fallout 4 and therefore after NV, so will we be dealing with the aftermath of the Mr House/Legion/NCR situation rather than seeing the NV story from the game?
Two things I noticed were: Who rebuilt Vault 32 overnight after Norm saw it destroyed if all of Vault 31 are frozen? and the Vault 33 water chip being broken was never mentioned again but has to come up in Season 2 as it was basically the plot of the first game
My money is on Muldaver not being dead and simply passed out seeing as her wound isn't very different to the one Lucy suffers on her wedding day. Muldaver is likely now a prisoner of the brotherhood who will want her to replicate the cold fusion for their use.
I think Vault tec didn't drop bombs, being a company geared for tunneling, they had them buried at key locations ready to detonate if the need arose, notice the lack of smoke trails in the sky or any sign of planes, also how deep the crater is at Shady sands, hinting the explosion travelled more up than out.
Alternatively maybe the brotherhood were manipulated by Hank into being the ones that destroyed Shady sands which would provide a significant twist in Maximus' story as he joined the Brotherhood to hurt those who hurt him, if the reveal is that it's the brotherhood that killed his family then that would cause deep conflict within him.
Lastly the snake oil sales man hints that radiation will no longer be a problem which could lean to either ghoul or super mutant, but super mutants never stop growing and will eventually become behemoths if they live long enough which implies some level of continuous cellular growth/regeneration which would explain how tanky super mutants are and how his foot is able to heal itself.
Thaddeus will steadily turn into a Ghoul. I'm surprised so few people picked up on it, but when his neck wound healed, the healing came packaged with an area of ghoulification localized around the wound. So presumably, every wound he gets from that point on will heal up and scar him with ghoulification, and he'll probably also steadily go that route over time just from day to day cell replacement.
I'm certain the serum Maxiumus' squire gets has to be some sort of FEV and he'll become a super mutant, that's why he healed up straight away after betting hit with an arrow in the throath.
Can't wait for season 2, thanks guys for publising this video, hopefully you'll discuss the series or games further!
maldova in her last moments went and sat with lucy's mum and held hands with her, so the implication would seem to suggest that they were in a romantic relationship only for Hank to take back his daughter and then drop a bomb on them, not just to wipe out any competition to vault tec but to also spite them for trying to replace him as her parent
I don't know about 'replacing him as her parent'. She did try and kill Lucy
@@poshboy4749 only as an adult, when Lucy was taken to shady sands as a kid it looked like they were implying that Maldova (or however its spelt) would also be like a new mother for her alongside Rose
@@thetruesora Lee and the Mother can't have been involved back then, otherwise Hank would have recognised her in episode 1. Though a lot of things in episode 1 don't really make sense when you know the twist, including Lee trying to kill her lover's daughter.
@@poshboy4749 yeah I'm a bit confused and its unclear about that. Maybe season 2 will explain it better but if we're going with their relationship was romantic then surely they were like that while together with lucy at shady sands? As rose being turned into what was seen of her with Maldova in the finale was the result of hank bombing them. So they couldnt really have just got together after that? 🤷♂️ like you said after seeing the finale its confusing why hank didnt do something right away and let her and the others walk into his vault. Only those that were part of the same group as him were supposed to be in charge of those 2 vaults
Maybe Moldaver just thought it would be poetic for Rose to eat Hank after what he did to her...
The ghoul serum is a thing that’s been around since Fallout 1, there’s an NPC who was turned into a ghoul by The Master in California
I personally hope we never get a concrete answer about who dropped the bomb. I like it being up in the air
unlike the bomb itself 🤣
Same.
Vault Tech planned to, but they dropped 20 hours early as House claims.
Tons of people had the motivation and means to do it. But it could have been anyone.
From some rogue element of Vault Tech, to America, a random set of terrorists, or a foreign power.
After they dropped. There was bigger shit to deal with and nobody was worrying about figuring out who caused it.
200 years later, any chance to figure it out is gone.
I think oxbox might have skimped on fallout 3 or 4(i forget which one it was). They clearly never found the unexploded vault tec bomb in megaton
@@sandsand5483That was 3. Don't know how they would've missed it seeing as Megaton is your first location in the game. Plus, Mike mentioned Megaton and the bomb in the video.
@@scottneil1187 I guess it's possible that they wrote it off as a one off event that may have happened after all the initial bombs dropped, shady sands style... But you'd think they'd mention that bomb... And I'd be surprised if a vault dropped that bomb post apocalypse and then didn't ensure that it actually detonated as intended.
So either the megaton bomb is part of a larger scheme or for whatever reason, whoever deployed it wasn't watching to see if it went off
I had that same question about the faulty armor in the suits. its actually explained in-show! his armor has the "tempered lining" maximus and lucy both comment on it during the show. so knight titus's armor actually has that faulty lining fixed on theirs.
In regards to supermutants, the Vault Dweller (Fallout 1) took down the Master’s super mutant armies. We can see Marcus in New Vegas who brought most of the super mutants to the mountains there where they could be safe (and overuse of stealth boys led to the Nightkin). The defeat of the Master would explain why supermutants are scarce in CA
I think Moldaver just had Lucy’s mom with her because she thought it would be ironic to feed Hank to her.
As much as Thadeus being a super mutant would be great, I'm leaning towards him being a ghoul, since the moment he arrived as a squire a lot of his conversations with 'knight Titus' involved talking about how 'gross' and 'scary' ghouls are and how he's hoping the brotherhood will wipe them all out, which pretty heavily foreshadows his own transformation and decision to desert the brotherhood.
I feel like the snake oil salesman will likely just be a recurring side character, not unlike Nigel West Dickens from Red Dead Redemption. Although, if his chems did turn Thaddeus into a ghoul or even a Super Mutant, that could be big. I just thought the chems he gave him was just Hydra, a chem that restores limb conditions, or at least a homemade knock off of it.
Yeah, her dad goes from being like a sympathetic and likable character who you’re kind of worried about at the very end to just incredibly dark controlling and psychotic in a way I really did not see coming. I personally had this theory because I thought it would be an interesting twist that the brotherhood actually blew up the city Where they found maximus and where Lucy’s mom died because he kinda like worship them as heroes so I thought it would be kind of an interesting twist that no they’re not heroes. They’re actually the people who caused the explosion. But I definitely did not expect her to have just been the one to destroy the town, and you could really tell by the end of the show her has a very dark personality. You do not see a lot of, but I think they kind of tease where he drowns that guy that was after his daughter kind of sees that maybe dad’s a little more fucked up than you think he is
I had the same theory, that BoS blew up Sahdy Sands, ever since Maximus told the BoS leader that he wanted to hurt the people who hurt him.
The drowning part didn't warn me about the darkness of his character at all though, i just chalked that up to parents willing to do everything to protect their children.
@@HGChaosNL I did at first too, but then I thought about it a little more and it felt a bit more psychotic to drown someone then shoot him or finish him with the shovel. It felt more of I want him to suffer then just I wanna protect my daughter. Idk it felt kinda fucked up.
@@teamalice115 Yeah that is true, he had other more efficient and less cruel ways to kill him.
As for the whole cold fusion thing you have to remember that a whole war was fought over Hoover Dam. Electricity is definitely a concern for the people of the wasteland, and cold fusion could really shake things up I feel
One question I have is:
Why was the Brotherhood of Steel already present in Shady Sands when it was bombed? Were they fighting the NCR and was just there by coincidence? Or, were they deployed to fight against whoever Hank sought for for help i.e. Mr. House and his Securitrons?
My burning question: is that the same Pip-Boy that Johnny wore for a week straight back in the day?
39:15 He can't be, that's Tanya Christoff in Fallout 3 😝
What does cold fusion mean? - Moldaver wanted to give it to the people. The Brotherhood of Steel now has control of her power plant with the cold fusion. Their entire thing is being the only ones who have pre-apocolypse tech. They are going to unplug the fusion core from the power plant and stick it into another set of power armor.
Would make more sense for them to use it to charge power cores for multiple power armours than just 1, they will probably leave it as it is than risk losing an infinite power supply for their armour, still gives them a tactical advantage
The idea of Vault-Tec being beaten to the punch dropping the bomb reminds me of that Mitchell and Webb sketch where they're planning the assassination of princess Diana, and then at the end get a call saying they don't have to bother because all that just happened by accident 😂
I assumed that the bomb that blew up Shady Sands was in situ, iirc when Thaddeus hear Shady Sands being mentioned he ask something like "isn't there a bomb there?" and get the answer "not anymore", but I can have simply misheard that as every other mention of the bomb is that it was somehow dropped and not just exploded.
Yep. Megaton established there are duds out there.
He says "isn't that radioactive?" And the salesman replies that he doesn't need to worry about it now.
There was never a bomb there in the canon so far
Maximus says 'the bombs fell when I was a kid,' implying it was a ballistic nuke used against Shady Sands, not an underground one.
Overseer Bud also tells Norm that they're planning to 'wipe the surface clean,' implying that Vault-Tec has the means to nuke the world all over again, not just setting off some UEBs like Megaton.
@@Fafhrd42 He was inside, and didn't see it happen.
@@Fafhrd42 This might just be a goof with the show, but the way Shady Sands is presented doesn't seem like a nuke blew up above it. There's a giant crater, and anything outside the crater is pretty much fine - abandoned and run-down, sure, but not vaporized like it would be if it were that close to the center of a nuclear detonation.
One random thing I want to know is how did they clean up Vault 32 overnight? That place was absolutely destroyed, my theory is that Betty got word to Bud in Vault 31 and he unfroze all the employees to go clean Vault 32. And because of these circumstances, I need that to lead to Lucy finding and saving my favorite character Norman (Her brother)
I wondered also. I would think the unfrozen execs wouldn't be capable of doing all that in a day. No idea how else but I like to think they would be confused and asking questions. I don't think the robot overseer in 31 would be able to answer and don't think he even ever knew about what happened in 32 either.
Hope they do explain.
@@meiken417 Maybe some off-site Vault Tech facility has teleporters, like the ones from the Institute 🤷♂
is it farfetched to say automatic cleaning systems/robots exist in the vaults
Also in episode two as we see Dr Wilzig in the Enclave there is a brief view of what to me is unmistakably a super mutants hand from under a gurney being carried past him
I'm pretty sure I remember a scene from the show with two empty cryo pods in the secret vault, and they had labels. I thought I remembered those labels being for Cooper's family, but I'm thinking now that one of them might have been for Lucy's dad, because I think Bud tells Lucy's brother to get into his dad's pod. I'm not sure who the other empty pod would be for, then, though, because I think Lucy's mom was a normal Vault dweller, not a cryo-preserved one.
The megaton bomb has a faded vault-Tec logo on it
Was the cold fusion tec the same thing as the platinum chip from new vegas
Only thing about the show I have to mention is that I think it weird that they made a point to have Coop and Moldaver interact in flashback, but we didn't see them in a scene together at the battle in the finale where they were both clearly in attendance. Seems like a bit of setup for something to go unaddressed, or unaddressed so far at least. Of course, the only way to do that now is for Moldaver to make a comeback.
Also, the "iPad of Mystery" looks an awful lot like a Lenovo Tab M series. Maybe an M10 Plus?
You forgot to ask: How did hank get his kids out of shady's hands before he nucked it? Particularly sense this would have been while his wife was probably watching the kids since this would have been not long after their fight over her staying in shady sands rather than Coming back to the vault.
I love how much Andy knows about American History. I know he studied it at some point and I think it definitely helps add to the theory development.
I can already see the Heartbreak for everybody when Cooper turns feral
I haven’t watched Fallout yet (my backlog of things to watch is long)…
but I just wanted to say this conversational format is excellent. It reminds me of the OG Show of the Week…but chill.
18:10, what if Moldaver turns out to be a series of clones?
I like this a lot. I hope the next series/movie tie in will be reviewed by you all. I love the couch but the podcast setting is a good touch
More of this sort of thing, plz. Top notch content.