Historian of fascism offers lessons for democracies on how to resist authoritarianism
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- Democracy is a fragile creation, and the Yale professor and historian of fascism Timothy Snyder should know. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
His best selling book, ‘On Tyranny’, offers some practical and political advice for resisting authoritarianism. Professor Snyder had the American reader in mind when he wrote it. But can we learn anything from his work?
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how soothing it is to hear sanity speak ❣️
@SuperCorrector1
huh?
It really is
Finally, this interviewer asked open questions - and listened to the answer! Thank you for letting the viewer decide whether the interviewee is talking nonsense. May this continue and grow.
Umberto Eco once wrote down 14 points to recognize fascism. The UK is currently fulfilling nearly all of them, and it is working hard on getting to the last two points, too.
@David Webb You are brianwashed. Repeat after me "I am a duped fool".
@levner brown > why are you so obsessed about racism? I think that makes you a racist.
The left is, does that make them racist?
>Nearly everyone in the world is interracial at some point.
Wrong/beside the point.
> Colorising people is stupid
Correct, and he didn't.
> basing people behaviour and characteristics based on race is extremely dangerous and dumb.
Correct, and he didn't.
@levner brown it's always "them!"
We're there now.
Mr. Snyder knows what he is talking about.
Spot on, and right now I have more reasons to fear the rise of fascism in the UK than in Germany, much because the British are too overconfident and probably believe fascism speaks foreign. As Timothy Snyder pointed out some Brits have a very short memory when it comes to how popular Adolf was in Britain for several years.
@Paulo Chan what are you on about? hard left... 100 million corpses?
@Paulo Chan oooh temper temper.
@Paulo Chan Where did this person say that the rise of hard left isn't a problem or disagreeing with you? They just weren't discussing the hard left, they were in this case, discussing fascism, nothing else. Pointing out a body count of 100 million corpses isn't getting anyone's point across and has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. They also haven't mentioned any body count for fascism, which is not to be trifled with. They only discussed symptoms of proopaganda and some characteristics of fascism. And they're not wrong. What the UK really needs after Brexit is a mirror to take a good long look at itself, rather than telling others how horrible they are.
@James Registe Have I said that there are? In any case it's not entirely true. There was the Khmer and several other organizations, but yes, most of the left wing extremism has died out with the failure of communism in several parts. But one could hardly argue that for example North Korea is right wing, not a dictatorship and doesn't have people killed -- the facts point in the other direction.
Whlie not the same as right wing extremism / supremacy, there are extremes on both sides of the spectrum.
National socialism, or nazism, by its very definition is socialist, except its an extremely populist and extremist version of it which invariably includes the superiority complex - something which is clearly observable in present day politics both in America and in the UK (but not ONLY). In other countriesm, such as Poland, Hungary, Italy and even Germany there are also such groups.
Not like the IRA or the RAF leftist groups mind you, but at least political ones.
So while I largely agree with you, I think we shouldn't completely discount the other side either.
@Paulo Chan None of these leftists are in power, you muppet. You do exactly what Snyder refers to when he talks about how the responsibility is never theirs. Trump, Johnson, Bolsonaro, Orban, Putin, Erdogan are people who hold actual power, and all you can do is whine about those that stand outside of the doors of government. You won. Whine less and take some responsibility.
He’s absolutely right about the need for a widely agreed upon set of facts about the world. If you disagree with something, try to falsify it with logical argumentation and sound evidence. But if more people still accept another view than yours, that’s okay. People need to think critically and not fall into simple thinking.
@@saxglend9439 My, my, my.....you're a busy TROLL, on every thread almost😄😄😄😄
Do YOU get paid nicely for such???
@@saxglend9439 What you say is true
Even the mathmatical and physics laws are interpretations of complex things to convey main idea with a language such as symbols and numbers. So some interpretations are better than others for specific people in specific times and situations while some are applicable and valid for greater time span indeed.
@@saxglend9439 No! What i mean by the laws is that they are an interpretation of what can beobserved and can be scaled. So those laws consist of what rules the world along with our interventions or collaborations
How do you go about quantifying the facts of something like Brexit?
Am I allowed to criticize those “facts”?
1) This interviewee was very eloquent in his response
2) He speaks plainly in a simple to understand english rather than in political gobbledy-gook
3) No 'umming and ahhing' ... His demeanour and stream of consciousness is so impressive, I wondered if he was reading it off an autocue.
5) It helped that the MSM interviewer actually gave him time to speak, rather than using their normal strategy of interrupting and badgering the interviewee.
I believe this should be broadcast again.. It needs to be.
Timothy Snyder is an expert on this topic and we should listen to what he's saying. I highly recommend his books "On Tyranny", ""Road to Unfreedom", and "Bloodlands". He is an impeccable researcher and a very good author.
@@guywithdacap4713 and you sound like a condescending git, sweetie.
@@elingrome5853 When these words come from you, this is a really sweet compliment for me. Thank you.
@Joe Bloggs. Don't deflect, my friend. You can criticise Timothy Snyder all day long. He is not a perfect historian. He got his flaws. But when you criticise him don't just state: "empirical facts are just opinions". That's nothing else than simply stupid and says more about you than him.
@Joe Bloggs. Dr. Snyder is a historian who specializes in the history of Central and Eastern Europe, specifically the 20th century.
Central and Eastern Europe in the 20th century, in case you are unaware, included democracies that fell into fascism and authoritarianism. That is not an opinion and it is not up for debate.
If you are unfamiliar with 20th century European History, that's fine, but perhaps in the meantime it would be best to not comment on it as though you were.
if you are unfamiliar with Dr. Snyder himself, I just mentioned 3 of his books to help you get up to speed. There are also numerous CZcams videos of him giving lectures and interviews, and he has his own CZcams channel where he posts his own content.
Now that you are informed as to how you may educate yourself on this specific topic should you wish to be included in intelligent discussion, feel free to proceed. (this is good advice for generally every topic).
If you respond with a reply that is similar to your previous one, I'm going to let you know in advance that it will be ignored because I have a policy of disengaging from situations that I see going nowhere.
If you would like to engage in a way that makes meaningful discussion possible and are able to back up any assertions with factual sources and logical reasoning, then I look forward to it. Enjoy your day. :)
He's not beyond criticism. The NY Review of Books made serious criticisms on his "Bloodlands" and the suspicion that he's kinda "angry" about Trump's election was actually debated in specialized midia. Hitler's biographer, Volker Ullrich, was clear when he said that whenever someone is compared with Hitler, the comparison has political motives. I personally think that he should be ashamed of this kind of talk, specially being a historian. "Us and them" is not exactly specific fascist trait, it is the core of class struggle, which is the blood of almost all leftist politics ( not judging, just stating the fact). The same goes to simple slogans. When Julien Benda wrote his book, he didnt accuse a specific ideological spectrum as the sole responsible. Snyder is a good historian but I suspect that he will regret this phase of his career.
This has to be one of the best interviews I have seen in a long time.
It is total and utter shite and all the American guy is doing is revealing Remainers, lefties and globalist tactics. These people do not care about democracy or a democratic vote. They want a dictatorship like the EU.
Yeah if you believe him premise that people dont actually have agency and they are being cynically manipulated. You should have more respect for others.
@@rolo5424 Everything has become a dog whistle for you on Brexit. Try thinking for once about something else.
@@aceplatini859 I simply look out and observe, from my observation I come to a conclusion. You should try it.
Poppycock.
Superb interview.
Why do are politicians not have this mans intellect, and articulisum?
Be great if channel four can get this man back for comment on the restrictions and authoritarian state we are living through now since covid!
A naturally evolved propensity to blame others is something that needs to kept in check, both personally, socially and politically.
is it never someone elses fault?
@@public.public We can only really hold ourselves accountable, dude.
@@public.public Wow, you used at least three fallacious arguments and implied several others in just one sentence.
Nice job there.
‘Politics of envy’ is usually only the cry of either the politician of greed or the voter of ignorance. Envy doesn’t really come into it when you’re holding to account a government who has allowed building regulations to kill people, nationals to be treated like foreign invaders, pensioners losing their promised pensions, causing some to be made destitute, police number reduced so much that protection network failed to prevent at least one massive terrorist attack, disabled people being made to attend tribunals at their lowest, when their illnesses are degenerative. A government who has cut services so much yet now finds bottomless pots of cash to fund a project that is undoubtedly going to mean less focus and spending on the countries needs.
@James Registe "It's the other tribe. They're evil and not like my tribe" Kind of a fascistic impulse, fella.
Advertising, and our dumb acceptance of it, has done most of the ground work in normalising lies.
A very astute observation. Thank you.
Funnily enough there are incredibly strict rules/laws applying to advertising here in the UK. If you're selling cat food or washing powder you absolutely can't lie about it. You can even go to prison for it. Unfortunately these laws don't apply to political advertising. You can literally tell any lie you want.
@@170adamb1 It's not so much the raw facts as the subtle subliminals. Our cat food will make your life better, look at the kind of life this buyer has, all shiney and full of happiness ... the Derren Brown stuff ... which the regulators don't see, don't see as lies, are paid off perhaps, or just ignore for fear of being called daft.
@@jamessherburn Well It's hard to regulate against shiny, happy people but at least we're protected from claims which are just false. If someone buy's a cat food or washing powder because there's a handsome guy or beautiful woman in the advert, that's on them. We have zero protections from our leaders lying to us, and so we end up with a democracy built on lies. Which can't be a good thing.
@@170adamb1 Many things are hard. 'That's on them' ... no it's not. Derren Brown could make you commit murder, would that be on you?
Keep repeating the same messages over again England is now an us and them country
@David Webb Amazing how you racist fuckwits can bend pretty much anything to your mindset.
Well, less amazing and more like predictable, I suppose
Of all of the recent books I've read recently with an eye to history, or our present moment, this was one of the best.
Although, the most striking anecdote, is from another book. The tale of the Nazi soldier, marching whilst seriously injured and talking to a writer toward the end of the war, about how the dire straights the Nazis were in was 'all part of Hitler's plan'. There is no end at which some people, perhaps many people, will cling to a Dear Leader, or other such dogmas. I sometimes think that the human mind is a machine for making lies, just so it can cope with the world around it. Then one's life's work becomes something like -- I must care about being wrong, every day, for as long as I live.
Social media has massively ramped up the divisiveness in modern politics. Easy to hate on people and not be in any way rational from behind your computer screen.
Brilliantly put. His word should be taught to all. Including politicians and paupers.
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Facists and communists are: "6 of one and half a dozen of the other"
@@saxglend9439.
Oh I see facists had enough soul to start a second world war in which countless of millions of souls died? Is that what you mean?
Both, the facists and commies are as soulless as the other.
@@saxglend9439.
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👍 😃for the last statement😂👍
@@saxglend9439.
Thanks for your concern. I feeel perfectly fine. I feel that if I headbutt a bull, I'll come out on top.
But I really do appreciate your concern.
@Martin Baldwin-Edwards.
There you go. You got it. The facist logic is "If I kill 1million, I'm ok. I'm good because the communists have killed 1m and 1." Anybody who kills is evil.
In fact if you look at history, both, facists snd communists have killed countless of millions of innocent souls.
I'm not talk about individuals, but as parties. Both, fascists and communists are soulless evils, with literally 100s of millions of dead souls on their conscious.
I have only just viewed this 2022, and I am amazed how true and prophetic it is... worryingly
Rationality is a beautiful flower in the swamp of populist demagoguery! Excellent contribution Timothy!
Keith Pieterse lol
luka zupie lol
@@baukebaljeu8636 : Two Fascist trolls within an hour. Not bad! The joke's on you. Now go to the toolshed. Your mother is waiting for you to do what you always do. She's wet! lol
Well said
Keith Pieterse your sense of humour is state of the art indeed
Very good explanation ! It should be taught at schools and at Universities and Institutions. There should be made a tv program about this and the possibility to have debates about it so that people can become engaged in what it means to live in a Democratic country and to understand that you can not take these freedoms that we have for granted.
Tories won't allow it. They will do all they can to avoid responsibility for their crimes, including Money Laundering.
If you read chapter 18 of "Tyranny" I humbly speculate this tactic will be the monster's last, most horrific, attempt to stay in power.
Like so many, I agree with what is said. I wonder if this dangerous path we have taken will stop before it is too late.
id be ok with the tories disappearimg up their own arseholes , those shits have never done any good , every time they get elected they inflict harm on the economy , making millions suffer poverty just so they and their rich donors can keep stuffing their faces
@Martin Baldwin-Edwards you obviously did not listen. You are one of the people he talks about. The people that think with emotion and not facts.
@@shaununderwood6048 you also who the guy in this video was talking about. You are thinking with you feelings.
think with logic , affirmative spock , ffs ben you trying to wind me up ? if that's your critique then its bollox
@@shaununderwood6048 you claimed the tories have never done any good. Have Labour done better?
It is might be true that the Brexit referendum was advisory but the Government of the day said that the result would be implemented.
Yeah, but referendum it self is anti-Democratic. Democracy can only exist with a well informed public. Imagine primary were thier two parties with different policy and they only write policies and beliefs. While majority voting public is illiterate. Would that be a democratic excerise?
@@angelperez3750 Well that maybe your own point of view, but why should a democratic country offer its citizens an undemocratic Referendum vote, that doesn't make sense.
@@wearsider In my opinion it had nothing do with policy and everything to do with politics. E.U. is popular scape goat for each memeber. If something goes wrong e.u. did it, but thier are clear economic benefit from staying in eourpean union. The prime minister at the time was pretty sure most of the country was pro-union, thier for justifying his pro-e.u. policies, While ukip the anarchest can wage a brave political campaign that could help them secure a couple seats in parliament, but wouldn't be big enough to actually cause any actual harm at least that's what would happen if remain had won, but they didn't. Now all these politician are stuck in this political paradox. They have lead everyone to believe that e.u. is the root cuase of all thier problem and solution is to harm themselfs.
Also minority of doners actually wanted to leave since thier was series of tax loopholes that would be closed in three years time.
@@angelperez3750 There are several major flaws in your argument. The first being that we were not clever enough to vote on brexit If this is the case, then we should not vote for governments/parties either. For we vote in a government which deals with a VAST range of issues, of which Brexit is a subset.
The other is that the entire history of our being in the EU has been a string of anti-democratic actions. Begining with powers of law making and governance being handed over to a foreign organisation without ANY electoral consent by way of manifesto or referendum.
Calls for referendums were blocked and denied for decades, until BOTH main parties were elected on a promise of an EU manifesto. BOTH of them reneged on the promises when they found out what the result would be. ONLY when they thought it safe to do so, and remain would win by a comfortable margin did the ant-democrats allow us a say in who rules over us and who we pay taxes to.
Then they lost the democratic vote, and an election followed in which well over 80% of MP's were elected on a promise to honour the outcome of the referendum. Shortly afterwards the perfidious liars declared themselves proud remainers.
But I already knew from previous EU promises that they had NO intention of keeping, they would lie. They have no respect for democratic procedure, not respect for the electorate, (Just look at the childish name calling tantrums which many leading remain politicians wallowed in after the result was announced.) they do not even respect their own manifesto. (If you dont represent what you claim to represent at election time, then it is NOT representative democracy.)
@@markhorton8578 yes, you do live in a representative democracy. You pick a politician represent you and your interest. I think referendum was clever way to throw away that responsibility of a representative goverment onto the public, and most people aren't politicain and don't have time or energy understanding socail-economic effects of brexit. If parlement can barely grasp how to implement what was voted for, can you realy trust the fact that the common man knew complexity of brexit ? The question was simple in or out, but how to go about it is completely different issue, and how it effects Britain is even more complex. The average person such as myself are morons and then other half is even dumber then that. janitors and school teachers should not be literally writing every letter of the law for politicians. The idea that direct democracy is some how more democrartic because people go to voting boths more often is not nessarly true.
I really appreciate the fact that he focused on promoting *local* media. National media is biased and in an echo chamber and nobody trusts them. Local media is on the ground, and more highly trusted by the people
Except when local media everywhere are bought up by a huge corporation that proceeds to use them to push a political agenda. Look at Sinclair Broadcast.
@Matthew Wyskiel: Where is proof or evidence that local media do not or cannot develop biased agenda ?!
i mean you contradicted yourself in what you just said
The fact that no one is talking about the rule of law is disturbing...
Extraordinary insights into our predicament and more importantly, valuable keys to do something about it, however small. Thank you Professor Snyder. This should be played in every social studies class.
Brilliantly done by all involved.
Timothy Snyder's point about propaganda language emphasises what many of us have been saying since before Brexit joined the lexicon.
Still the notion put about by climate denialists that more impoverished and thus populous countries bear primary responsibility for reducing climate instability persists.
Quality journalism is welcome these days. Thanks crew, researchers and Krishnan for this excellent piece.
Timothy snyder is an excellent public intellectual of the highest order. The conscience of our generation. Very good Anchorage too.
Snyder's books reveal a real understanding of racism and of rule of law. There is a bizarre disjunction however when he selectively projects that onto the current political climate , very oddly ignoring the very most obvious congruences with key fascist tactics , which aren't limited to the " right".
Snyder's more detailed work also explicitly notes the importance of national state sovereignty to providing capacity for resistance to global authoritarianism , and yet in the real world now , he fails to recognise that is still important.
Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York who is widely considered the father of fascism studies, defined fascism as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda."
www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html
That man is spot on
Thank you. Needed to hear tht, been feeling pretty darn helpless. 🗽⚡🦅🥺
"in the future, Nazis will claim to be Anti Nazi, and telling the truth will be a crime" George Orwell
How about telling a lie? Unless you care to provide a citation for that quote.
@Bobs Vegana. As Orwell was talking about a, globalised, Totalitarian world, in the Future, not really sure his knowledge of history is very relevant.
But 1984 was written just after WW2, at a time, when he was dismayed by the growing antisemitism in the Labour Party, of which he was a member.
So I would say his knowledge on the subject was sufficient
@Bobs Vegana Well, he either does know it, or Trump and Bojo are using 1984 as a manual, or both.
Uninformed people that are needy, self-focused, defensive can be turned into stupids that are greedy, egoistic, aggressive.
Ron Wade
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Superb interview.
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Well said.
Channel 4 news should take this guy's advice
Is there a transcript for this, my friend is deaf.
if you're on a web page rather than the app, if your friend looks to the right of the save button there's three dots, if they click on that they'll see an option to open the transcript. I don't know where the option is in the app, sorry.
No wonder Education has been filtered, history provides us with all the examples we need 🤔💯👏🙏
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
― James Waterman Wise
Stop watching guys. This is one of the experts that Saint Gove of the immaculate Brexit warned you about.
Sound analysis of the current polarising and actively destructive politics in both US and UK. Both of these governments appear to be driving sinister agenda’s while keeping us distracted with the ridiculousness which fills the daily media. Whatever happened to reasoned, grounded politics?
Is judicial not suppose to be equal to executive and legislative.. a balance of power that restricts the authoritarian and fascists desire for ultimate power?
None being supreme.. think about the legality of a situation legality were law can dismiss your democratic choice because lawmakers or lawyers have supreme power over you...
you can sit and watch ppl starve to death no law can prevent that, ethically and morally most can not allow that..
The reason we do not give supreme power to a single group is any single group can be manipulated by small groups or there own moral beliefs to support an agenda outside the majority ethics.. think about who decrees we should war and kill others? Is it the democratic majority or those that will not suffer loss...
This is the error of taking a side and defining your science from one perspective
Ah well, perhaps nobody is perfect. At 4 mins 34ish, he said, " If you go too far on the side of momentary impulse, then you have Anarchy and degradation". A bit silly, and dangerous from someone who otherwise seems to know something of what he's talking about.
Anarchy, is about not being governed, ( from the Greek, "An meaning without, and "Archos", meaning rulership), therefore living by personal responsibility, self control and discipline. It has to be towards the common good, because without common cause, there will be a backlash, and selfish individuals not evolved enough to realise that, will suffer the consequences. Those who then learn from that mistake, will learn to be considerate, of the common good. Such a consequence must be evolutionary, and therefore, *not*, "degradation".
Less silly and dangerous, but simply wrong, is his assertion about the need to make eye contact. (8 mins 50 ish), because there are really good, well motivated and intelligent people, with social / psycho/medical conditions, (e.g. Greta Thurnberg), who simply don't have as much ability to do that, as people regarded as "normal", can manage
Tools: decide what we care about and take small actions on a daily basis to advance those causes. Stand up against fascism
Before the Magna Carta there were Roman Laws in Britannia which was under Roman rule for a long, long time.
Autritariansam today means individuals say I can’t do anything! Citizens being willing to adjust to the next outrageous thing and call it normal! Well, there’s somebody else or institution who is eventually going to show up and clean this up! If we take these attitudes, everything will get worse. ❤
His book is terrifying
Amazing interview. Thank you for sharing.
Fascism is alive and well in the trump administration
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Facsism and Nazism is large spectrum...US is deeply into Fascism...if 45 % Americans are the worst Racists on the Earth..and id 45 % of American believe that GOD MADE EARTH 10000 yeras ago.
How We can expect something Normal and Civilized
If 45% is racist we should stop migration right now bcs what good can happen from it??
Also, china is the least religious country in the world i believe, so...?
I mean... Trump is on the defensive. You have been trying to pin a crime on him because he beat you for 3 years. So you are talking nonsense arent you.
ITER ! That’s stupid! Trump is a criminal
One of the mellowest and scariest men around....check out more here: czcams.com/video/hpwnKvsI3SQ/video.html He is so rich with history and knowledge that he doesn't even need to repeat himself.
#unity4J ! #FreeJulianAssange!
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A real academic who has studied history and the path we are going down. With that said. Build the wall, build the wall...... Lock her up, lock her up, lock her up..... Trump, trump trump.......
Where is the critique of the communist element???????????????????
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Amazing
The professor wears his title with clear legitimacy.
For many many years politicians have been economical with the truth, not answering the questions and sometimes down right lying to the public. Sooner or later the bubble was going to burst. Well here it is. Why listen to an established politician with any more enthusiasm than any other person? We know both might be lying. At least we can choose the direction we want to go in. And it seems at least Trump /Boris is doing what they said they would... One up on the established politicians at the very least!
How's that wall that the Mexicans were going to pay for coming along?
BoJo + Cummings = Fascism
4 years later ... he was right!
hear hear
Wonder what he would say today...
Some notes: Democracy ist not the same as the rule of law. Typcial careless identification. Carl Schmitts friend-enemy distinction ist a description of politics (may be false) and not some kind of fascist recipe. Finally: Does anyone who accuses a political opponent who does not call himself a fascist of using fascist means not use fascist means himself? He sets the political goal of the other side outside of the allowable discourse and thus outside of legitimacy.
This guy is good.
Metonymy1979 lol
The CIA thanks Mr. Snyder for his service.
(Look in mirror)
An look where we are now!
🍻Very interesting
In the UK, all the fascists and neo fascists, plus most populists voted Leave.
and proud of it
@@alanbstard4 The duped welcome their galloping poverty, increasing world isolation, worsening security and bitter public discourse.
@Amanda Hughes Technically incorrect. All the fascist and populist parties supported Leave as well you know,. You are not fooling anyone and duped were on your side already.
True!
@Amanda Hughes No that's all nonsense. Nazis were nationalists and wouldn't stoop so low as to form the EU. The EU was championed and formed by the French, and Goldman Sachs is the banker behind it
the EU is an international organisation wanting borders down, opposite to the Nazis
Vote. 100% of American Adults. Not just 50%. Voting is notjust a right
it is a responsibility. Why not talk about your responsibility rather
than constantly about your rights
It's always the same old fight between rich and poor. Only the labels changes. Social democracy is the way to move forward. So hard work is needed. Fight corruption, poverty and waste together.
Allard Freichmann you say poor vs rich don’t go together well and than propose we should take from one group even more and give to another??:)
It is not like that anyway. Many poor people want lower taxes and many rich people want higher taxes. 36% of people who earn more than 200.000$ in USA are democrats.
In europe the biggest division i see is with mass migrations, not rich vs poor.
Nspnspker it is nothing wrong with relatively small number of people controlling most of our resources. We are all richer bcs of it. Every other system failed miserably.
Nspnspker idk what trickle down means but capitalism is supported by almost every economist. Every single developed nation is capitalist. And all of them have poor people and extremely rich people. No country is rich as a country but without extremely rich people.
Also, capitalism is freedom, everything else is not. You are anti freedom.
Nspnspker no need, tnx.
Nspnspker i just destroyed you with arguments what are you talking about? Hahahaha u are funny guy.
The tactics of fascism without the ideology other than their own personal financial and political gain. Because of the harm and damage that will be caused, I think it may be worse.
The whole concept of an EU was the idea of an Italian FASCIST at the end of WWII.
wait i can get rich and political points from fascism
wow its even better than before
People like Tim Snyder gives me a glimmer of hope that US democracy hasn't already been lost. The sad fact of the matter, though, is that his theories are way too complex for your average MAGA hat-wearer to take on board.
Unlike you of course who are a of far more intelligent class and therefore deserve more attention to be paid to your view.That's not how it works in a democracy.
I hope he's working on a new book
The Brexit referendum was binding because of the government document delivered to every house and it was a majority of 1.4 million.
Sweden had a referendum about abolishing to drive on the left side. A majority wanted to keep it Left. Then in 1967 it was changed to drive on right side. And people were happy with that. Times had changed and the change worked very well.
A majority can make a decision to attack a minority. A democratic decision that is very wrong.
Stick to Llamas Bo.
Old Timmy can't figure out which bathroom he's supposed to be using. LOL
Maria Schick - Is that all you took away from the interview? ( Although credit where it's due, it was a pretty good one liner ).
The World & Democracy must be saved from Fascism & Fascist.
@@saxglend9439 VOTE OUT RIGHT WING PARTIES
@@saxglend9439 EVIDENCE has PROVEN.
NOTHING CONSERVATIVE about CONSERVATIVES.
@@saxglend9439 Breitbart told you that?
Dongvale fascism is right wing but okay
@@ellewilliams5162 Doesn't have to be, Communism tend to be quite authoritarian and fascistic in nature and Communists tend to be left leaning, far left to be exact. I don't like either extremes really.
Snyder is so vague that I don't know what he is talking about. He says we must be honest, stick to the facts. Okay, but is he willing to admit that Hillary lied about Bernie during the 2016 campaign?
I fully expect that at some point
The Court shall become Supreme.
To the will of the people (Not). Both,
The broken Congress,
That controls the purse,
Will attempt to bring control.
And the POTUS? Well,
He’s become,
The View of the Mob $lice and dice$‼️
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The professor is right in his commentary except the characteristics he attributes to the so called right now is more attributable to the so called left/ or the neo-con-democrats side of the aisle!
ask him is he a bone
Where does this historian stand politically? It's disturbing that he is talking about fascism and then makes direct reference to Trump and Brexit. The Brexit referendum could be viewed as a form of direct democracy and there was nothing illegal about it. The division has been caused by the representatives in the HOC who do not want Brexit to go ahead, not the results of the referendum itself. If he doesn't understand that distinction then I have no idea what value his comments have.
Every political philosopher of worth has always stressed the importance of the separation of the executive and the legislative bodies. If in the case of the Supreme Court who adjudicated on a political issue these judges should stand for election - as they do in the states. When the executive and the legislative merge there is the path of tyranny, or perhaps he is better informed than the greatest political philosophers who have written extensively in this area.
It's shocking how poorly constructed his argument is. What is his premise? That there are political differences and this leads directly to fascism? That is not a premise - that's an opinion. He obviously doesn't understand the difference. This is nothing more than propaganda Channel 4. Why am I not surprised.
I do my bit by starting debates going, on buses. I'm going to try and purge my comments of us/them language; Ruskie trolls are always getting my dander up though.
Yes. Taking Offense is greatly over defended in America--- politically correctness is an oxymoron.
this is goning to be bad, if they goning to let this happen.
brexit isnt about that , but it looks like they goning to the next lvl for it.
OR next level to stop it
History is the most plastic of the intellectual arts and historians'(sic) stories are so often obedient to whatever is the demanding political expediency.
We're only talking recent history here and I remember the making of the European union and I remember the beginning of the privatization of anything and everything public, The birth of neoliberalism and AI Uber economy and the beginning of the panopticon Kafkaesque reality
@Martin Baldwin-Edwards That would be English nationalists. Please leave us Scots out of the criticism, we didn`t want this & are nothing like those morons. Although, theres idiots everywhere!
We like experts, we don’t like liars and frauds.
It is the experts who are the expert liars and frauds-none do it better.
one property of the devil is:
He always hides in those (next possible) shadows, we are not aware of.
Athens is GONE, get over it!!!!!!! So it the constitutional republic, that ended on March 9, 1933.
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Interesting interview. I think he confirmed what a lot of us were suspecting.
Awesome interview and topic. However, annoyed with the presenter who seems out of his depth when asking questions and came across to me as knowing nothing about what was being talked about.
Exactly. He was inept and/or poorly prepared. The guest was compelling and laser-sharp.
@Dr Diablory All I can say, really, is the presenter didn't come across with any discernible depth. I would also suggest that Dr Snyder's replies indicated his reservations about the presenter. We all have our bad days; this may have been one of his.
@@coyotesong That was my point. I have seen Krishnan present at other times and he does a great job. Just that on this occasion the manner in which he responded to the answers and counter questioning could have been better when you consider the wealth of information and insight given.
@Dr Diablory Well, first, thanks for providing a transcript!! Starting with his first question, I find it sophomoric at best. In the UK, you've had UKIP to deal with for a while now. I consider as do most political scientists white nationalism a fascist or at least an incipient fascism. And in the States, we had the orange clown say overt fascists included good people the weekend that one of these 'good people' killed one peaceful demonstrator and injured several others in Charlottesville, Virginia. The phasing of his opening question just seems totally out of synch with the factual background. I frankly don't understand what his second question about borrowing tactics means---. And the third question again seems impossibly uninformed or misinformed: What's wrong with what they're doing? So the way this is worded, a possible answer could have been, aw, gee, nothing really. This kind of Zealousness of neutrality brings to mind Neville Chamberlain's ("peace in our time") appeasement of the epitome of evil, Adolf Hitler. I'm not trying to tell you that you're wrong; I'm just trying to describe my thought processes.
He stated that the brexit referendum was not binding ;all parties said that the result would be enacted into law. His obvious intention is to
appeal as an expert that anything he says is more reliable than any other narrative. Democracy is not dependent on rule of law; the democratic ancient Greeks used the word isonomia= equality in the eyes of the law,whereby the connotation of law includes that of custom.
He also used the word empire which is the word Verhofstadt has used to describe the EU and he said that the idea of empire is fascistic, further confirmation that all the certainties which leave voters have are justified by facts. Pure propaganda as you would expect from C4.
Typical Gammon response.
Have you no better criticism to make which would show you have some comprehension of what I am talking about?
@@lawrencebrown3677 Well, your original statement was so verbose and rambling I was wrong to say it was a 'typical Gammon response.' It also made it somewhat difficult to decipher exactly the point(s) you were making.
Regarding your points:
I'm not sure his is 'obvious intention' was to 'appeal as an expert.' Channel 4 invited him in because he clearly does have some expertise and knowledge of history and Fascism. Doubtless he'd be the first to concede that his academic view is one amongst many.
The referendum of 2016 was 'advisory.' Political parties could have used the result as a basis for informed and construct discussion within this country and within the EU. Sadly Cameron, like other British political leaders was too weak to consider that option.
I would suggest that the Ancient Greek notion of democracy has now, in our society, changed or evolved so that UK democracy is dependent on the rule of law - indeed, that notion is now our custom (however Johnson and Cummings might want to challenge it).
Snyder's insights on how propagandists in the Internet age are devising and using simple slogans repeated again and again as if that somehow gives them a truth was pertinent and replicates Fascist tactics. It was entirely relevant to the way in which the Leave campaign orchestrated their referendum campaign, and the way in which Johnson and Cummings are now pursuing their 'die in a ditch' Brexit strategy.
As for equating the comments he made about Empire with the EU, well that's debatable - regardless of what you claim Verhofstadt said (and I don't know the context in which it was allegedly said). What I do know, is that the claims consistently made by Leavers about the EU - the Leaver/Gammon narrative - describe a political and organisational entity that I do not recognize. It's not perfect, but it's not as the Leaver/Gammon narrative would have us believe.
Try as I might (and contrary to your assertion) I've not been able to get a Leaver to offer me any hard factual evidence for the claims consistently made by the Leave side. What I do know (in addition to the wealth of impartial research I've read) is that in some of the places I've lived in during my adult life, the failures of investment, of housing etc. have all been down to British Government policy. In contrast to that business and housing projects have been built and funded by EU money - specifically areas of Devon & West Cornwall, but elsewhere too.
On the same theme (and again counter to your claim) I've also not been able to get Leavers to offer any hard factual evidence as to how lift outside the EU will be economically or culturally better than what I've experienced in this country for the last 40 years. What I get are the same tabloid slogans and untruths. Worse still, the mentality and world view of most of the Leavers I've encountered and tried to debate with is so tribal and bigoted that they simply refuse to engage with any view that does not equate to theirs. The usual response is to revert to slogans 'Leave means leave', 'will of the people', 'remoaners', 'lefty traitors' etc. Indeed, your final sentence is of the same ilk - hence my reply.
If you regard C4's output as 'propaganda' then perhaps you shouldn't watch it.
I felt that the interviewer should have tried to challenge him more robustly. His arguments sounded pretty weak, further scrutiny would have added strength to his perspective. From what he has just said it appears that a democratic result in an election that you don’t like is fascism. My father fought against Germany during the Second World War, he fought for his country and his school friends died for the same reason. He never once mentioned that he fought against fascism. Does that make him a bad person, I think not but history is being rewritten to suit a political agenda. Everyone seems to be called a fascist these days, it’s getting silly. I vote Liberal Democrat.
Please give an example of a question you would like to have asked.
@@cinderball1135 Why he consistently lies
So much to agree with here, but I feel like his reference to only the populist far right and not also the progressive left corollary tilted this in a partisan way that attenuates its vision.
fascism was born out of the catastrophe of WW1 and the great depression. Unless we go through similar catastrophes, fascism is unlikely.
In effect, what we are really seeing, is a partial return to more primitive forms of conservatism, underpinned by a partial return to more primitive forms of capitalism.
Well the UK doesn't have a written constitution so law is whatever they want to make it In UK. So does every vote come into question or just the Brexit vote. This guy thinks anarchy is democracy.
"When Fascism rises again, it will rise on the left" Ronald Reagan.
Watneys Special well he was dead wrong.
EU is a peace project
The EU is an empire building project.
Then why do they meddle in other countries affairs? Surely this would only aggravate the population of the country they are meddling in. As shown with Brexit. Peace project is far beyond what it is. Why propose an EU army? For peace? Or to replace nations standings armies to therefore centralise power to Brussels? The EU has succeeded economically where Hitler failed militarily.
So naive and diametrically opposite to truth.
@@billmurray9485 Which other country's affairs are "they" (if you're a Brit you should say "we")) actually meddling in? EU army? There is defence cooperation. Armies are becoming expensive, so pooling resources and having a unified command structure makes sense. What has been formally proposed is no different from what NATO already does and is voluntary in the sense that the national parliaments will need to give their consent for any deployment. What standing armies? Almost every EU nation has been cutting military spending and isn't meeting NATO standards - which is why Trump threatened to leave NATO, in which case, an EU armed forces would make even more sense as there are common interests of the member states such as the internal market and protection of shipping lanes.
As for military meddling, if I recall correctly France and Germany opposed the whole thing in Iraq for example. Britain has meddled a lot more than either of those nations or any other member state of the EU... so... fear? Who is running project fear now?
In any case that's nothing new. How is the EU the same as Hitler and what has one to do with the other? The UK is or was part of the EU, an important part. Where are the concentration camps? Are you being suppressed somehow? Please if you want to know how the EU actually works, ask someone or do some digging.
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