Daddy-O Explains Why Conscious Hip-Hop Disappeared!
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- In this compelling episode of Doggie Diamonds TV, Daddy-O delves into the reasons behind the disappearance of conscious hip-hop from the mainstream. Why did this influential genre fade away, and what factors contributed to its decline? Join Doggie Diamonds as he hosts this insightful discussion, shedding light on the history and evolution of conscious hip-hop. Don't miss out on this thought-provoking conversation!
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What made consciousness (damn near) disappear in rap music was criminality becoming pop culture.
It's gotten so bad that we have r&b singers claiming gang (Chris Brown) and all of the top artists are either self proclaimed gang members or gang affiliated. Even Drake claims to have *"mob ties."*
When this happened I'm not 100% sure, but even 2Pac felt he had to take on the thug image to reach the youth with his consciousness and it's only gotten worse, to the point where now we have an entire genre dedicated to rappers literally talking about killing each other, drill.
Basically C. Delores tucker was right
@@dugnice Facts
Drake has hells angels ties.
The main reason is because the people who run the industry canceled conscious rap
@ksager123 yes. The bigger companies bought smaller ones and said the positive stuff will change the community
Basically C. Delores Tucker was 100% right about the evil of gangsta rap
No way i thought that at the time. But i didnt see hip hop taking this turn.
Yes she was, and I thought she was just hatin’ on it!
I REMEMBER!!!Tupac and the rest of them disrespected this woman to the hills and back!! Now its 30 years later and now they're complaining!!
@deljay1840 Hip hop and gangster rap is America. America is violent capitalism. America was built on violent capitalism. You gotta be pretty naive to blame gangster rap for violence in America. Remember, the first Scarface movie was made in 1932.
1: NWA might have had the biggest HipHop movie of all time
2: Dr Dre played the Super Bowl
3: Gangsta Rap was about street knowledge, not rachetness - in this form anyway.
Wtf are you talking about?
Conscious hip-hop still does exist. However, it’s underground you need to find it.
Nas
Talib
Oakland had a history of activism and knowledge of self that ran very much parallel to New York's. Daddy-O's right though, the consciousness in early hip hop did stem primarily from New York.
Thank for you comment
Indeed. Oakland is where the Black Panthers started 🤷🏾♂️
Pac resegnated with Oakland because he had that huey P Newton spirit
This is what ruined Conscious Hip Hop Nation Wide:
West Coast: Everybody wanted to be a gang banger all of a sudden.
East Coast: Everybody wanted to sip Cristol and wear expensive Italian Knit clothing and shoes all of a sudden.
Mid West: Everybody wanted to be a pimp all of a sudden.
The South: Everybody wanted to be a ‘Dope Boy’ all of a sudden.
That’s what killed Conscious Rap in Hip Hop. 🎬
I can see the framework on this one
@@damepolk5214 : I think you covered the United States from East to West and North to South. The funny thing now you can expand the and apply the same concept to the world of Hip Hop. Self Destruction...Self Destruction...You're headed for Self Destruction. Black people are the only people as a whole that would fall for the BEANS in exchange for the BAG. Not knowing the bag contains generational of poverty and the wealth of very few. Self Destruction....you're heading for Self Destruction.
Never thought of the Walkman becoming the super villain for music but his breakdown was valid.
Messed my head up too
Grew up on conscious rap "Self-Destruction" is a classic. The message got corrupted because they (industry) realized the power of knowledge of self. Blessings to Daddy O, was fortunate to be a part of that era of R.A.P (Rhyming Algorithmic Pulse).
I grew up with Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five. The Message, Beat Street Breakdown and White lines are still some of my favorite songs. My apologies for not adding Self Destruction, Poor Righteous Teachers, Stetsasonic, Africa Bambaata, Gil Scott Heron, and so many more. I know that in the late 80's there was a commission formed made up of politicians and record company executives and the agenda was to stamp out consciousness rap and promote gangsta rap instead. It was after that the music began to evolve and devolve.
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That Free South Africa track gave me a wealth of knowledge about the mother land . I still remember all the lyrics
They put me on too. Never knew about the area until the song
@knowledgetree5273 iam so glad iam not African
West Coast rap was not all Gangsta. You had Dialated People's, Rass Kass, Ahmad, Hyroglyphics and Del, Tony Da Skitzo all kinds of different styles.
NONE of those people were around when conscious hip hop was prevalent.
@@DoggieDiamondsTVThat's wassup, I know, yall talking about earlier. But WestCoast did have 7A3 at the same time NWA was out.
LA Posse MC Breeze and King T. I was just saying cause he mentioned Gangsta Rap.
@@DoggieDiamondsTV OK so I imagine your talking The days of YZ and Def Jef , Lakim Shabazz. I feel you
@@hardworkplayerzincPGE777 And the 7A3 cats were originally from NYC, including DJ Muggs.
@@Bugger22 Comment was not a negative towards NY. Don't know where that's coming from. Not turning this into more East West BS. Just was saying like I said. 7A3 and Muggs Repped the West. You know that. That's like arguing about Pac. Ok. He born in the East. But he Repped the West. My point was I think when the conscious movement was going on the West was still on Bobby Jimmie and the Critters. Before that was Egyptian Lover of course ICE T was around during Breaking Era. I can't think of conscious Rap coming out from there. Because That movement started in NY. I was listening to King Sun. I'm from Texas. I listened to everything. Didn't have NO BIAS.
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Disappeared from the mainstream. It's active in the underground hip-hop scene. Music is a key to the soul. The people who control the major record labels don't want to release conscious music they want dumb-downed, degrading, self hate, criminal, murderous, drugs, guns, stripper-hoe, dehumanizing negative stereotype music put out in the public arena to profit off of. The most ignorant artists get signed and pushed by major record labels. Too Short said he made a full conscious album in the late 1990s or early 2000s but the record label shelved it and told him to come back with some bword, pimping, macking, etc songs.
2 of my all time favorites, Poor Righteous Teachers and X-Clan 😎🎭✌️
Brand Nubs and PE
You can't minimize Brooklyn's influence on consciousness. The East organization, ocean hill/brownsville school takeover, African street festival, Dance Africa, the Slave theater. The blocks over by Fulton street & Nostrand ave was full of vendors till Guiliani shut them down.
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Daddy O is Spot on! Most of the Country is Country. I have traveled and lived on both coast many years. Vernacular is different. Moreys folkways, etc. That is why Southern Rap became so relatable. I am an original Northeasterner from Brooklyn. I actually enjoyed Geto Boys, Above The Law, DJ Quik.
When I hear and see NY on some south garbage it was a major disappointment. The city doesn't feel the same.
73 baby here, and I’ve loved Hip Hop since I was able to comprehend what it was. I gravitated more towards the graffiti and b-boy aspect of it while rap was just cool with some standouts here and there. BDP’s “My Philosophy” and the album “By All Means Necessary” is what made me view emceeing and conscious subject matter in a more profound light. ✊🏾
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I grew up in Compton and South Central LA. In the 70's we listened to The Last Poets. Those Brothers were rappin' some hard core Consciousness. I believe they were from NY. I was dissapointed when the narrative shifted.
He mispoked though. He said Los Angles is really people from Alabama and Mississippi. Actually they from Louisiana and Texas . But people from New York from South Carolina, North Carolina. Hell. All them Harlem food dishes, and music from Mississippi and New Orleans
@@tommymack4677 facts plus tax that’s how the great migration worked .. there are some from MS/AL but the majority are from TX/LA I agree 💯with you
Facts…. Hella Los Angeles peeps from Texas!
This was a great expose'.I like to hear our pioneers talk.
Once the drill music wave came out of Chicago, that buried conscious rap. Rap may not be around in the next decade because of the violence it’s bringing to the youth!!!
The best take Ive ever heard! Thank you
Thank you for this!
Salute Doggie 💎 Much appreciated
One my favorite interviews from you 💯. Never knew it was in the Viacom building. I intern there as a chef .
That analysis was on point!
I believe Daddy o is 100% right from boom box to walkman from dancing and breaking to show boating from dusty to fly.
. Damn hip hop changed quickly from 81-86 to 88-93 it's like a stick shift car lol
I love old school Hip Hop with a message. Today ignorance rule, and I didn’t realized how country LA really is until I moved there from the Midwest. New York rappers was always better story tellers and sneak in some consciousness in the music. But today it doesn’t matter rap or Hip Hop is garbage
I miss PRT Lakim Shabazz P.E X Clan King Son Brand Nubian KMD and many others...
How true it is, I cant say myself but some claim that lyrical negativity was purposefully and systematically escalated in the early 1990's by a clandestine group who buy and own private prisons in the US. Learning about things such as cointelpro, I simply cant just dismiss it.
The music industry killed the positivity of rap to make it rachet the end result no self love.
So it’s Safe to say . New York should have gate keep hip hop. Once it left it went down hill
The Majors started to give artists deals instead of going through rap imprints, so the majors basically controlled what music was fit to be heard on a large platform and regularly.
Now I know exactly who that is 👊
Daddy-O is right but there were a lot of moving parts.
First, hip hop WAS New York. Everybody else was playing catch up .
EVERYBODY!
Conscious rap teams were simply being progressive within the art form.
NY rap was always moving and recreating itself.
West coast rap was kinda juvenile.
Dre used old overused drum loops on his first songs while NY cars was on to something else.
HERES WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!!!
Conscious positive rap messaging was a serious, SERIOUS! Threat to the establishment.
Young black men were outputting way too many beneficial messages about health, education.
College hoodies and chew sticks.
Black medallions no gold.
It was a strong alternative that added options to the hip hop community.
But it got quashed!
Can’t have that.
Can’t have a divided house!
Can’t control two schools of thought.
So they made NY lay down at a strategic moment while they threw all their budgets behind their preferred agenda.
If they would have left it alone them country folks would’ve adopted some of the same messaging.
Can’t have that.
So they deaded it and turned the camera towards gangster rap.
Which put more black men in prison than any other entity in history.
He who controls the mind must first control the ear. Then the eye. Then it’s a wrap.
Conscious rap (which is exactly what it was)….
Is the only rap form that ever got canceled!
Name another!
Not “fell off.”
Canceled! On purpose. By design.
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This makes a lot of sense omg
Also MC Hammer had made conscious, even Gospel, raps here in the Bay since back in 1985 using the moniker “Holy Ghost Boy”.
He ain’t lying
Everybody was wearing gold I wore silver back in the day to
Silver looked good too
Chicago is Alabama and Mississippi. LA is Louisiana and Texas.
Facts! People from Mississippi migrated to Chicago. People from Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas migrated to Los Angeles. Im from Texas and my family migrated to Los Angeles.
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Daddy O was right the other places just didn't have any consciousness or righteousness to begin with. They were country and simply unaware of such knowledge. And they out numbered those of consciousness only coming out of 1 place New York.
No doubt! Public Enemy, PRT, X-Clan, Jungle Brothers, A Tribe Called Quest, etc!🙏💖💯📠
My favorite era
@@DoggieDiamondsTV 80s & 90s was special for Conscious Hip Hop in particular! Once 2000 hit it was over like 112! Although we know why it's still a DAMN shame!Born in 1970 Music in general was special to me until 2000 hit then everything started shifting!
@ensabahnur7657 but 97 was the harbinger when puffy brought the shiny suit era but wu tang was the the antithesis to that so it was still balanced around 2000 real emcees started getting phased out slowly but surely but by 2005 was the death knell and stayed underground ever since but piece by piece is starting to resurrect
@@elahosun2101 Only wsy Conscious Hip Hop's returning is if we take over the major labels otherwise it's dead forever! They don't want anything positive st all especially Music bringing Artists of different Genres together like it did back in the days like RUN DMC & Aerosmith/Public Enemy & Anthrax! They can't take any chances of everyone snapping out of the indoctrinations & turn on them!😂
@@elahosun2101Around 95/96 every rapper wanted to be a Italian Mobster with suits on, even our favourite rappers like Big, Nas, Pac etc..
Daddy O....you can't put it all on the South, Bro. You know as well as I it was much larger than a coast, or a section of the country. That's dialog for the feeble minded....East Coast...West Coast. It's waaaay bigger than that.
Facts on that one. Im from Texas and him coming from NY, I don’t think he knows or either been to Texas or Louisiana.
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I made what i thought to be a fair point about the death of consciousness in hiphop, unfortunately i made reference about the owners of the record labels and the positive influence Islam had on the genre. CZcams hit me with a warning of hate speech, it's amazing who can't be criticized and called out.
It’s all about what’s going on socially and what the people want to hear. There was always conscious rap around. Oakland had Paris and Pac.
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Daddy-O is correct.
Peace ,yes sir peace!
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...wait a min. I thought yall (North) was giving credits to Schoolly D for dropping the first gangsta music?
Doggie looks like 1980s Slick Rick in this video
Some would say that Texas brought consciousness to the South on a mainstream (for the time) level through The Geto Boys. Although, that is nowhere near the same as NY consciousness.
I just think that 'NY conscious rap' evolved into other things as the industry changed and grew. Listen to early Big KRIT and hear the a bit of that NY influence within that southern laced storytelling.
I don't think that being country has much of anything to do with it. David Banner once said that hip-hop grew and sounds changed due to the US Interstate system, and I really think this is true. NY is so secluded within the upper right side of the country that there wasn't much trading of styles, so to speak, whereas, Memphis, Chicago, Atlanta, Cleveland etc, had travelers from multiple directions which allowed for a lot of assimilation.
NY set the standard before any other region outside of LA really got going. We also can't understate that different producers are going to bring a different feel even before an artist writes one lyric.
But this was dope!
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Great talent and historian to interview, how important can whatever is on your phone be?
@@dpt3232 you know phones ring right? And I find it funny that people who NEVER comment only know how to be negative. For free content. You’re not even a subscriber
DJ Magic Mike was positive . I suggest you check that . The industry didn’t put him on because he was positive. Just like KRS . I agree with the Walkman because you could hide what you was listening to. But the industry paid these bois, and screwed them out of their money and soul . They jacked us.
Daddy-0 made solid points. Respect to Daddy-O, Respect to Stet, but it's still a little more to it, why the conscious music took a backseat or semi-disappeared. Wise Intelligent & others spoke on this. The powers that be use music as a weapon. Especially, Rap music. Hip Hop & Rap are are different. The same way an Emcee is different than a Rapper. Anyway, they use Rap music to poison the minds of the youth. To poison adults even. To destroy families & specifically the black family. They glamorize the wrong things like drugs, money, murder, sex, etc. Im kool with balance in music, but there is no balance. They also brainwashed us in Rap music & some R&B to put an age limit on artists. The Rolling Stones are still celebrated & still selling out huge venues & rightfully so. Our artists that's of an older age gets fronted on. You need a teacher to become a teacher. If you devalue the elders, you can manipulate the minds of the youth & send them to destruction.
Who's writing the lyrics?? NY was putting out conscious music when the murder and crime rates was at all time it wasn't glorified 😅 west coast ushered in gangsta rap. The south came with stripper and drug music..
@@valtown67 I think Biggie and Jay-Z changed NYC hip hop with the drug culture rapping. To me, Master P started that drug and murder rap in the south in the early to mid 90s. The stripper music came later.
Atl had conscious rappers in the 90s
New York arrogance did them in.
No the degenerate crap coming out of other cities in conjuction with these zionist executives did our art form in
I used to live in NC people don't like being called country he said rachet oh boy
Lol. Us in NY felt everyone was country
Daddy O “Brooklyn Bounce” still my go to jam.
People are lacking knowledge of self!
Unfortunately the Nation of Gods and Earths wasn't universal...this would have forced conscious into the music...
You can't minimize Jersey and Philly that's the problem
NYC got to cocky was the problem.
How so
@valtown67 Let's talk about it making fun of the south call them country. The south was on a come up by 1997 . You had Outkast, 8ball& MJG , UGK, Juvenile, Cashmony, Trick Daddy, 3-6,Trina, Scarface. New York didn't think that the south was going to takeover by 2003 . Let's not get started with the city abandon their own artists try to sound like the south. Hot 97 stop playing real hip-hop and started the club bullshit. By 2005 the south had NYC by the balls it wasn't even close. They stop puttin out artists from the boroughs. That went on for a good 15 years until drill rap came on the scene. It don't even add up to me anymore you got Upstate niggas that bring the original sound. Let's talking about Buffalo them niggas can really rap. Rochester same thing I never thought I would see them niggas doing it ove NYC.
@@traviscarter1023 real talk
@@traviscarter1023you forgot to mention the west coast had it locked from 88 to 99 then the south took over
@ricocheteraw90sthebestdecade I got one question what was the west doing in 1997-98. If you can answer that it might be some truth to this topic. I need to know what was the Westcoast doing in 1997-98 somebody help me out. Did Westcoast have shit on lock from 1988-99 that just might be a reach. Yes the west was booming but having it on lock might be a reach.
Akae beka
@2:00; Besides the hogmaws, some people couldn't or wouldn't give up their white Jesus.
@3:12; It was the corporate media who coined the label 'gangster rap.'
It's mind pork in wars buds
The bottom line is that conscious rap doesn't sell, and ratchet rap does. Just follow the money. NY is just as ratchet as any other place.
^^ the REAL reason.
we stopped supporting it.
What about no more groups not even 2 man groups
Stet Troop88
That had those troop suits on lock
@@DoggieDiamondsTV YESSIR, SHOES WAS MY JOINTS
Juvenile oily! 😂😂😂
He told no lie
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All I hear is tears
@@PhilPeeVa the tears of mother's burying their children to a soundtrack of self hate
DADDY O IS WRONG AS HELL ON THIS ONE. NEW YORK RAPPERS IN THE 80-90'S WERE SOME OF THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES. Wutang Clan was talking knowledge in one breath and then smoking weed in the next. Big Daddy Kane came out dropping knowledge then switched to being a damn player and ruined his career. Brand Nubian came out hard but the put out sex songs while dropping knowledge on the same album...and I could go on with NY rappers. The NY rappers were not living the life they rapped about.
I have to agree with you ..I am 52 from Brooklyn..But can we both agree tho that this crap today is CRAZY...?
Naw it was the drug dealing 🎵 music
Hmmm
Stay off your phone mad disrespectful
Maybe DJ Quick , 8 ball and MJG, & Scarface just rap better than you! So F the Police was not conscious? I never seen a man cry til I seen a man die or You only get a minute to pray and a second to die wasn’t conscious?? That’s why New York can’t get a hit. Askari X was a beast.
Biggie never made a conscious record but you call him the greatest! He couldn’t hold the D.O.C. Microphone. Luke did his thing in Miami, Sir Mix a lot did his thing, the Egyptian Lover played a role. You act like black folks from Alabama, Carolinas , Virginia, and everywhere else didn’t migrate to New York. MC Hammer was a better entertainer than you! I could go on, but many New York rappers wouldn’t have sold records without the bias. The only the you are correct about is people everywhere made their own fan bases and didn’t need New York to earn money. You were so conscious but very few of you got paid!
New York gets more credit than it deserves
Right because consciousness doesn’t come from NY.
How does that even make sense? No ny, no hip hop. You a straight broad. Lose the argument then mute me and ask about my race. Like doggy diamonds be having yt dudes on here smh
@@DoggieDiamondsTV I’m not saying New York doesn’t play a big part but everything doesn’t come from New York
@@thelight3547 prove it cause the most sampled music doesn’t come from New York rapping don’t start it New York all that comes from the south
@@thelight3547 the problem with New York is y’all don’t leave New York the south and mid west atl Chicago Detroit Texas the blacks in California so many components to this New York is just a media hub most the music doesn’t come from New York that’s sampled