Kool Herc Did NOT Start Hip Hop! Neither Did Jamaicans Or Puerto Ricans!
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- Kool Herc Did NOT Start Hip Hop! Neither Did Jamaicans Or Puerto Ricans!
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Jamaicans were not outside with the big sound systems before black Americans.. Our folks were throwing Block parties in the streets blasting music n shit back in the 50s and 60s before Jamaicans even got here. My moms told me that..
Jamaica is a THIRD world nation, who if you were to look at videos, of Jamaica in the 1960's-1980's. You will see a patchwork of SPEAKERS put together & they used ONE turntable up until the 1980's. That's according to U-Roy, and SOUND systems came from the USA, NOT the Caribbean Islands.
We were Jamming on the block in Brooklyn, in the late 60's with TWO turntables & large speakers. This brother Minnesota, is GIVING credit for JUST being there. I was born in 1964, but my older sisters boyfriends were DJs in 1973, with TWO turntables & they rhymed on the mic, and this was Brooklyn, NY.
😂we created hip hop and we been had sound systems way back before you guys knew what that was… we gave y’all self identity because no black man in America knew they were African 😂 Marcus Garvey had to leave Jamaica to teach y’all who you were 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 fucking dumb American
NO PART of record players/turntables, microphones, speakers, etc. WERE ever manufactured in Jamaica. EVERY PART were manufactured in the U.S. Which would make those things IMPORTS into Jamaica. As such, how would Jamaicans have access to those, and not FBAs, but instead FBAs had to wait for Jamaicans to bring all that to us. Make it make sense.
@@EVERLASTING12000 Another Exactly! They trying to colonize it bruh this sh*t wyld asf
Facts it’s videos of Blk Americans in Harlem outside in the 60s
We never ever understood how kool Herc is the founder of Hip Hop when Black Americans been doing this since the 20s
You sound stupid and do not know shit about the culture….
You can't just keep pushing back the clock.
@@TOITN Our music, we do what we want...... be happy with Raggay
EXPLAIN PLEASE.. I do know that block partys were already taking place in nyc in the 60s.(at minimum) No Mcs and actual djs,(outside of playing 1 record at a time),of course. So basically,what did HERC do differently, with his newly founded knowledge of what was going on it Jamaica???
@@idiotu668 you really are an idiot. Imagine not being able to spell
Black American music and culture in the 70s was INCREDIBLE. Black Panthers. Funk music. That's what created hip hop.
Steel Talk.
BUT THE EVOLUTION OF HIP HOP BEFORE THE MUSIC DID
Incredible
yup i would say FUNK
Black panthers ain’t have shit to do with it the creators we kids to young to get into clubs so they created their own scene
I’m Jamaican and I don’t take no offence to this. FBA’s created hip hop. There were some influence from some of the Emcee’s later on in the 80’s who happened to have a Caribbean background that had a certain influence on the sound of that era of the music
The system has used stuff like this to cause division need to get shit right.
No brother we influenced them
@@thelastdon9000 read again.
@@LuvAndNotH8 just knowing some shit equals limited knowledge
Salute for your wisdom and understanding my brother
Yardy run de ting from start!
Jamaicans did NOT have the sound systems before BLACK Americans BLACK Americans were throwing BLOCK parties with BIG SYSTEMS Jamaicans barely had their country in order the reason they even had music knowledge was because of a station that was playing BLACK American Music they did not know what to do that is FALSE on the sound systems they didn't do anything but copy what BLACK Americans were doing if you going to put knowledge out there put the right knowledge out there💯
Lmao... Jamaican sounds system from the 1930s ..
Name your soundsystem. None of you can do it, I've seen hundreds of you. It's like it's 1 account.
We influence u black Americans 🤣🤣🤣
@@aferrer74Black Americans don't listen to reggae like that. We don't even think about y'all at least us from Cali... I'm cool with Jamaicans too but stop the cap 🧢
@joshuapeoples6795 another thing nigga , the father of black history was a Puerto Rican 🇵🇷 😂 respect your father my nigga 😂😂😂😂😂🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷look it up . We had to educate u pathetic ignorant clown FBA about Your own history 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's wrong about Jamaicans being the first with big sound systems and bringing it outside. We been doing it and we did it first. They got it from us. Michael Waynetv showed that! He must have missed that part! They got everything from us!
YeA that's a fact
The sound system culture in Jamaica started in the 50s look up Duke Reid
@@summoofit4874 😂😂They got everything from us Black Americans! The Jamaican legends already admitted this years ago! Look that up!
@@thetruthhurts8618 America never has and does not have a sound system culture
BLACK AMERICANS HAD SOUND SYSTEMS WHEN WE HAD BLOCK PARTIES. WAY BEFORE HIP HOP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY
I'm happy that Doggie and Minnesota had touched on this subject. I know that it's very it's a sensitive matter , but the truth must prevail.
Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans had NO SWAG to even create hip hop
if Puerto Ricans didn't have swag, then how did they, whom some were mixed in Rock Steady, enhance break dancing.
You can SMD
Bad Bunny is the BIGGEST Spanish rapper today and Bad Bunny took rappers spot off the billboard charts 🤣🤣
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Y'ALL KEEP NAMING 3OR 4 JAMAICANS AND PUERTO RICANS. WHICH CAME LATE WHEN THEY COPIED US. PROVES OUR POINT
@@jamalvines2133 We gotta stop this division shit, it's not getting anywhere and its corny.
PS im 56 yrs old lived on Fteley ave. In The Bronx, half a block away from The Bronxdale projects , used to cut through Rosedale park on my way to Skatin Palace , I remember them settin up their equiptment getting the electricity from the lights in the park , Im proud to be a witness to the birth of HipHop !
This dude said Jamaicans had they sound systems before we did, THE founders of reggae said they copied our sound systems
I Seen that clip.....It's on YOU TUBE.
I could be wrong but I'm coming back with some serious Elders to kill the rumors Dead,I may not have bambatta but I have? Stay tuned.
@@mbp333 man leave bambatta the butt banger tf where he is. Please
If you believe that then you believe Trump is the President!
Americans before Disco didn’t have sound systems…. The were entertained by live bands. Plus in Jamaica where sound systems were originated the “Selectors” (DJ) Never had to worry about white people (KARENS) calling the police or the KU Klux Klan to shut it down. People need to think & remember that the Negroes in America was 3/5 s man.
He's wrong about the Jamaicans having sound systems first
I think he said samples
Nope
Yes, he is wrong.
African Americans Invented Reggae Music.
African Americans Invented Reggae.
James brown
Pigmeat Markham
Last poets
Gil Scott heron
Dolenite
Parliament funkdelic
Sly stone
Jimi Hendrix
Curtis Mayfield
Rick James
Earth, wind and fire
Last Poets-Felipe Luciano🇵🇷
Gil Scott Heron was very talented and the Last Poets have created classic pieces art.
@@BoricuaNyc
Show us your PR equivalents of James brown, Pigmeat Markham, Last poets, Gil Scott heron, Dolenite, Parliament funkdelic, Sly stone, Jimi Hendrix, Curtis Mayfield, Rick James, Earth, wind and fire. YOU CAME UP WITH ONE NAME of a PR that was in a group that consisted of MAJORITY FBAs. GTFOH.
"Last Poets-Felipe Luciano🇵🇷" ---@@BoricuaNyc
Not an original member. He came LATER. A familiar theme with your kind.
@@zxcccccc1last Poets didn’t like Hip Hop.
Im puerto rican and Cuban. Born nyc 1974 and i 100% agree with the statements made in this video. Long live real hip-hop
They was depending on Foundational Black Americans not taking the lie serious enough.
Always, they not gonna stop trying tho, they have trash money from corporations. We have to stand up on this and politics. These people be speaking for us and be on some bs
Or thinking we were gonna be on that kumbaya crap with our culture.
Segregation was a blessing in disguise...
Nope God always look after people who have been did wrong. This Lie herc, baambaata, flash saying they started Hip Hop is a lie.
@@jayjones251 Well, African Americans are in trouble because the world is involved in our music and some are going to take over. Some will be okay
He forgot to say them Jamaicans be wearing travel fox 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s blasphemy for West Indians and Hispanics to say that they didn’t get their love of Hip Hop culture from Black Americans! It’s a known fact that the Caribbean and Hispanic cultures hated Black Americans and would tell their kids not to deal with Blacks from the 1940’s thru the 1970’s! In addition, their respective households were playing their own music like Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, Jimmy Cliff, Hector Lavoe, etc. Black Americans let those Latino and Caribbean kids be down because Black Americans don’t discriminate against others. We may have snapped on them and their style of clothes but they were down with the brothers and they were influenced by the Black American swag. Of course both cultures were in the hip hop mix from the beginning and contributed greatly to the culture but not as the originators! That distinction goes strictly to Black Americans! 💯🎶
BVE official as a Jamaican myself who was born in 1960 but moved to America in 1972 I do agree there was some Jamaicans but not all were very Ignorant like that but Iam from a family that dates back to the Russell Simmons Era and they were all into house music from the Studio 54 Days Paradise Garage, so we had more exposure than the average Jamaican my uncle was once Grace Jones accountant also BVE I’ve experienced most of what you mentioned as far as being snapped on but that was how we would communicate with each other and eventually we start to adapt to the American way of dressing and shit was mad kool after that because snapping on us made us step our game up lol
what i find funny about black americans is they are always saying "black immigrants" don't love them while they always hide the fact they really insult africans and jamaicans when they come to america..they try to play innocent yet they are VERY nasty to immigrants...
@@evertonroper5106 stop being a bitch man...black americans are not friendly to black immigrants..they tease and mock them throughout high school and try to act innocent
I guess Marcus Garvey hated Black Americans too.... That's why the UNIA spread all across Black Amrican communities....Ya'll cats are silly.
@@ColtanFree No he didn’t actually! Marcus was the greatest champion of Black liberation of all time in my opinion. However, not all West Indian/Latino people shared his love and vision for all Blacks to be united as one and were heavily influenced by white American Propaganda towards Black Americans. I’ve had countless conversations with Caribbean/Latino friends who have admitted that their families were against them dealing with Black Americans once they got to America. Just be honest about it. 💯
We got love for our caribbean brothers and sisters, but the truth is the truth.
Hip hop moved fast because I worked in NYC in 1982 and go to Washington Square Park for lunch and by then they was already breaking and music outside. That was my first experience with hip hop. I didn't realize there was any argument that Black people started hip hop.
82 is ten years afterwards.
@@mbp333 Yes that was my point. Even by then hip hop was all over the city so this goes back like you said
@@inmyopinion651 yes there were already records out.
Black Americans started hip-hop and rap to be specific
I'm ur dreams Dominican Puerto Rican Cubans only NYC blacks created hip hop hip hop NYC culture
Herc came and watched Mario play in bronxdale and mimicked him
YEP......... & Mario was spinning break's.
And Tex🇵🇷was DJaying with King Mario since day one
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Also grandwizzard Theodore lived with Mario for a lil while and also jazzy Jay played with Mario to before joining Bam
Jazzy Jay supposed to be half Rican,ijs.
He's either Rican or not not supposed 🤣🤣🤣
Jamaicans DIDN'T have the sound systems before us. Their first sound systems were PA SYSTEMS!
Black American NYC Dj'S who did disco were the first to have cabinet speakers, and use two turntables, with an mc. Jamaicans didn't start using two turntables until the early 1980's according to DJ Rory from Stonelove sound system
Kool Herc said on Combat Jack's podcast he was influenced by AMERICAN SOUND SYSTEMS NOT JAMAICAN CAUSE WE HAD A MORE CLEANS SOUND
Grandmaster Flowers was from “Farragut Houses” in Brooklyn. He was the first, next to Francis Grasso, to use two turntables to mix music in 1965/1969
It was Kool Herc's sister who put him on the source with bambatta, and flash, to be the fathers of hip hop, and we went along with it cause the older people were on drugs, died or in prison
Jamaican elders ALL say they got toasting from US. The radio djs' were toasting on the radio from 1950's-1980's which Jamaicans were emulating. They told us this, its NOT my opinion
BLACK AMERICANS LEARN YOUR DAMN HISTORY!
For in depth lesson on hip hop origins watch "Culture: Debunk Busta Rhymes and Pete Rock's Outrageous comments"
Word. Black Americans been having block parties outside with sound systems
@@trillfate4479 Coxsonn Dodd said his whole inspiration to start his "downbeat sound system" was watching black americans in Florida having parties outside
Also, it was the first time he saw a jukebox, and that's why his first sound system looked like a speaker that's a jukebox
AND, it wasn't big cabinet speakers like people believe, it was a small speaker
FACTS 💯💯💯💯
facts! lets get this history all the way right
Jamaicans had sound systems in Jamaica way before hip hop I was born in Jamaica in 1960 I came to America in 1972 and before I was born we used sound systems when I came here and started really doing the party scene our sound systems sounded better than the ones here we showed a lot of Dj here how to use different amps for bass, midrange, and treble which we referred to as top end also when American Djs would play reggae their sound systems could not carry that reggae deep bass it would come out distorted facts
We already know black Americans started hip hop and no one else
Fr
They always trying to steal and claim something from African Americans
Puerto Ricans were there break dancing and graffiti in the bronx was full of puerto ricans
Blacks don’t even own hip hop😂
Blacks started something then let someone else take it?
You’re missing the point everybody is trying to rewrite history and future generations will believe the lies
Green Eyes also said that the Jamaicans were not the first to bring out loud speakers..
Foundational Black Americans were the first!!!
FACTS! U-Roy even said they would come over here to pick fruits and vegetables and send records and equipment back to Jamaica. This guy is off! Puerto Ricans didn't hang with us because they were racist. Even some Puerto Ricans admit that. It's still the same way for the most part!🇺🇸✊🏿
Green eyed Genie said he got fresh due to how they treated him when he got evicted from bronxdale. He learned how to pic pockets from living in the shelter in Manhattan.
Amen African Americans DJs were in the park first playing Hop.
Fat Joe so you're gonna look at me with a straight and tell me that back in the 70s puerto ricans had control over the english language enough to write and recite wild lyrics and ill metaphorls man?. Hell yall still dont have control over the english language enough to write mad lyrics and ill metaphors b. .And the jury is still out on how ya-came up with salsa, reggaeton, and dembow.
NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽were born in NYC🗽
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Salsa came from Cuba, Panamanian Spanish reggae and Jamaican reggae sparked reggaeton along with 90's Hip-Hop, dembow is a Jamaican term while being Dominicans answer to reggaeton. P.R. didn't create any music without outside influence although I heard that somehow Bachata was supposed to have had it's origins in P.R. but that's sus.
@@BoricuaNycwe don't care y'all still not our people and didn't create nothing
Dem Bow is literally a Shabba Ranks song. Daddy Yankee came up with the name "Reggaeton" to appeal to the west.
They can't even do it now
Hip Hop comes from The Black Power Movement, Busta must’ve bumped his head talking that nonsense also Black People were The First B Boys I’m from The Bronx The Puerto Rican’s watched The Black Brothers and copied them
I was there and half of the NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽were dark skin like Roberto Clemente and Alpo Martinez.
And they were doing their thing since day one.
The hip hop museum has footage, photos and videos
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@@BoricuaNyc Do you know how rare it was for someone to have video footage of any park jam or community room where the brothers were rocking, people barely had $$ for equipment. CERTAIN parties and jams Puerto Rican’s and Cubans were there but it was sprinkles of them all of them were NOT with it. I’m from West 174th St. and I also have family that’s born and raised from Bronx River PJ’s. That video footage captured a rare moment that some Puerto Rican’s and Cubans were at a jam that’s was NOT all across the board, Charlie Chase stated that Puerto Rican’s called what the Black Brothers and Sisters were doing Jungle Bunny Music, let’s state TRUTH NOT FACTS
@@robrob3894 Joe Conzo has all the footage, photos and videos. And you counting the light skin NewYorkRicans🇵🇷that’s why you think it was a few🤣but the dark skin NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽that look like Roberto Clemente and Alpo Martinez were there too
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Been waiting for you to talk about this topic. Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans didn't create anything in hip hop. They copied whatever black Americans were doing.
By that logic, Black Americans copied other Black Americans within hip hop.
Suck you mada battybwoi Jamaicans ain't follow shit. We start hip hop and y'all copy our shit. Now y'all all dreadlocking y'all hair and wearing close fitted clothes. All Jamaican style. 👈 😂
@@meltednostrilsbornwithoutn781 so what
GTFOH!!!! Jamaicans were the one's Americans got it from. Argue with ya mammy
Bronxdale... you forgot to mention Dj Tex- Dee
Big ups to Disco king Mario.
Ps we had sound systems we used them for block parties In the 60s in the south and philly
THANK U, MINNESOTA !!! I'm GLAD SOMEBODY from MY HOOD that I went to HIGH SCHOOL with & that is a HIPHOP LEGEND SPOKE THE TRUTH about THIS HIPHOP ORIGIN DEBATE !!! HIPHOP STARTED IN THE PROJECTS, NOT NO WEST BRONX !!! DOGGIE DIAMONDS, MUCH LOVE FOR THIS ONE !!!!
Thank you Minnesota because I'm from that era everything you stated is facts .
Y’all never mentioned Tex🇵🇷who was DJaying with king Mario since day one. Y’all also didn’t mention Black Benjy being in the gang called “Ghetto Brothers” which was predominantly Boricuas🇵🇷🤔
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The true conversation has started for the most part,all of the elderstatesmen speak on it.
@@BoricuaNyc he did mention the Ghetto Brothers in regards to Black Benjy
@@BoricuaNyc BLACK AMERICANS ALL DAY EVERY DAY, YOU ARE JAMAICAN REFUGEES THAT ADAPTED TO BLACK AMERICANS MUSIC. YOU REGAE PEOPLE NEED TO SIT DOWN 🙄 SOME WHERE
@@BoricuaNyc Tex was half FBA.
Disco King Mario.. elder my cousin..we appreciate all the contributions of the Caribbean people but hip hop is ours
Mario your cousin? You should contact Tariq nasheed
thats the thing, its not just "ours" , what does that even mean? By every metric Caribbean folk was there partying, a part of the music and dance culture. No one should fix their face to take hip hop from African Americans. african american culture is the dominant culture in NY at the time without question and the music is born from them. Hip Hop is Black American culture, but not just african american culture.
@@mansamusa2012 thats the thing, its not just "ours" , what does that even mean? By every metric Caribbean folk was there partying, a part of the music. african american culture is the dominant culture in NY at the time without question. Hip Hop is Black American music
@Kaya Ile-Taino Riddle me this Batman. Would you be so quick to give Kung Fu to FBA'S just because we've been going to Dojo's since atleast the 40's and 50's?
Hip hop is rooted in funk music being played!!!! Black American deejays were playing funk music!!!! The black gangs were playing funk music and playing it a certain way !!!
Black Americans created this shit no Hispanics at all!!!!!! or Caribbeans
If it was not Kool Herc who started Hip Hop, then who was it? Whatever Kool Herc did the idea and influence came from Jamaica.
Micheal Wayne tv breaks all this down like Minnesota said.
You can give credit to someone without having to discredit someone else's contribution.
They only thing is Busta and Joey are trying claim our music as their own. We have to make sure there's a gate up
The conversation isn’t about who contributed,
It’s about who created it.
Contributions come afterwards
@@woodike3300 Yes it's about the creators but they are the ones who brought up those names who are being wrongfully credited as creators. Just say, " these guy are not the creators however they contributed in pushing the culture forward". No disrespect and dismissive and division needed.
@@EnergyBrooks look up Know the REAL Fat Joe and Terror SQUAD BY CHARLIE ROCK LTD.
@@woodike3300 You are correct. Some are trying to blur the line between create and after the fact excellent contribution
If Jamaicans had loud sound systems in Jamaica, where did they get their systems from!? 🤔
The UK.....England made sound system too. Ya'll cats are silly.
Jamaicans were inspired by the juke joints of the 1940s, they got that exposure when they came to the US to do farm work. In 1950 an electronic expert by the name of Hedley Jones built custom made amplifiers for Jamaica's first major sound system called Tom The Great Sebastian. Custom amp building continued until the mid 70s. After that the sound system owners started buying equipment from the US and England.
They built them
@@byaran1 Prove it!
Peter gunz was talking about it on his song back in the day about where hip hop started
You might be talking about the 97 hit Deja Vu .
@@BlackMusicGenre yup
Another Powerful build Doggie 🔴⚫️🟢🙌🏾💯
Hip-pop wasn't created by Jamaican but why when a Hip-pop artists with jamaican heritage does Hip-pop it goes so hard. Some how their contributions are very great!!!
Duly noted, but that is not the argument. The only reason things are getting out of control is because Caribbeans have been saying this for 30 years unchecked. Plus, when confronted about it like 5 years ago, they doubled down on it. So now we are going to get some STRAIGHTENING.
I agree. Contributed but most definitely did not create.
He so right bout the Bronx late 70 early 80's being no fly zone as a shorty u couldn't ride your bike around the corner without getting robbed u had to stay on your block.
*Thank you doggie! Glad someone with a big platform is telling the TRUTH*
Salute ,salute gotta hear this build foreal ,been hearing alot on this topic
I was told Grandmaster flowers is from Brooklyn, peace for the information 🔥🔥🔥
BLACK WAS HAVING BLOCK PARTIES WAY BEFORE HIP HOP.
WITH SOUND SYSTEMS
COMMON SENSE
Michael Wayne tv is the truth for real
We should be asking WHO CAME UP WITH THE TERM HIP HOP? JUBULAIRRS AND P Markham did not claim to be involved in Hip Hop. That term did not exist in 1920
Doggie , I'm a little Older than your guest here, born and raised in the South Bx and the Northeast Bronx in the late 1960s - 80s. Jamaicans didn't start or have any Sound System LOL smh. Jamaicans on the whole were ABOVE HipHop. Dude is doing Business with Busta - probably Why he Told that LIE. Where is the Sound Systems in Jamaica NOW??? lmao
They were " Above " it? What's that mean?
@@billyjacc good question
BLACKS WAS HAVING BLOCK PARTIES WAY BEFORE HIP HOP WITH SOUND SYSTEMS COMMON SENSE
@@billyjacc it means I had Jamaican friends that when I went to their parents' homes the parents were Utterly Disgusted at Rap/HipHop. My Jamaican friends echoed their parent's sentiments at times = Above Rap/HipHop
True that!.......Jamaican dreds were playing reggae even in the 80s.
Hip-Hop isn't a genre of music...it's a 1970s Bronx subculture that died out in the early 80s. Rapping/Rap was a part of Black American society DECADES before the Hip-Hop movement existed.
Hip hop never died fool
@roylle6346 Yes it did, "fool".
@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 yet still biggie said in his song titled: it was all a dream (or some other)that "they never believed hip hop would make it this far"😝 you the fool. Fool
@roylle6346 And you're an ignorant troll🧌 and you don't know what you're talking about.
Next they will try and claim they started Blues and jazz.
They already trying to do that now
Italians are trying now..
DJ Charlie Chase was a founding memner of the Cold Crush Brothers back in 1981. He actually stepped onto the scene in 1975. Love this segway Doggie Diamonds!!! Stay FLY
Everyone converted to a new yorker that moved there to fit in leaving their own culture second....
Thats the way many people see it .....
You are what you speak and live and breath
On the daily.
Big FACTS 💯 %
The way people fight about who started Hip Hop is kind of sad to me.
The block parties that laid the seeds for Hip Hop to grow were planted there to get away from gangs and tribalism, for Ghetto Brothers, Black Spades, Savage Skulls, to put their arms down and come together, for Blacks, Whites and Puerto Ricans to intermix under the same roof, to turn these dilapidated buildings into canvases of art. But the tribalism didn't go away. It just took on a different form. Now instead of gangs fighting over turf in the 70's, we get Bronx vs Queens in the 80's. And it's the same tribalism, those same assertions of superiority that lead to East vs West in the 90's. Don't blame 2Pac. Don't blame Biggie. Blame the insecurity of the men who seek credit, not for what they did as individuals, but what they did as a group.
That’s keeping it Real! Thank you.
Truth
You forgot Zulu Nation big part of hip hop
It is so funny how it is SOOO easily to rattle up and distract Diamonds while he in the middle of his points! Claiming so cool, calm and collected --> it is easy to raffle his feathers 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾😂🤣
DJs were playing music from all cultures if they had a nice bridge
Krs 1 South bronx
The dreds in Brooklyn was crazy, you couldn't bring out your set with no hip hop , cuz the pistols would go
Kool DJ Dee used to rock hard at 2000 Valentine & Echo Park. I witnessed greatness with my own eyes as a shorty. I used to try to peep the records & they used to distort them so people couldn’t cop them. I would still figure out what the records were many times.
Is it true that Bambaataa used to borrow Kool Dj Dee equipment?
@@bigolbabyhuey Not sure but I definitely remember Flash / Theodore & others using his set if I remember correctly. All the top groups would come through.
@@bigolbabyhuey Bambaataa used to borrow Disco King Mario's system before he got his own
K.PATTBX tell if you seen Kool DJ Dee playing the Breakbeats, the get down part, the jump off, and extending the Breakbeats, playing two records with the same Breakbeats play Funk music, Funk Breakbeats, Soul Breakbeat, Mixing, blending, dropping the needle on the record, Queing, backspinning, scratching, rapping/emceeing, and Breakdancing/B-boys. Was Kool DJ Dee playing James Brown, Apache, and the MeShame, and playing two turntables and a mixer. What years was Kool DJ Dee doing these DJ'S and DJ techniques such as 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973. The True Fathers of Hip Hop which are African Americans such as Grandmaster Flowers, DJ Smokey, DJ Pete Jones, King Disco Mario, DJ Pete Jones and Mixologist Tyrone. These So called Disco DJs were doing all of these DJS Skills and DJ Techniques from 1960s, 1970, 71, 72, 73, and even up to now. herc said he made Hip Hop in 1973 but these African Americans had all these DJ skill and Techniques in the 1960s before herc 1973. Some Hip Hop artist are saying that these so called Disco DJs were just playing Disco music and this is a shame.
@@bxdale83 Our job is to find people in 1960s, 1970, 1971, 1972, and early in 1973 who were Hip Hop DJs who invented Hip Hop DJing skills and DJ techniques, and Hip Hop equipment. We have to pay to get into Google, Wikipedia, on television, radio, book, and teach the true history of Hip Hop. We have to pay, pay money.
I saw other videos with spades saying Herc was the first DJ to extend the break.
Still debating, Stop playing and just go watch Wild Style. Dates, people involved , you see it damn.
Grandmaster Flowers was from Brooklyn
Everybody who was named Grandmaster in Hip Hop took that name from Grandmaster Flowers. Flash, Melle Mell, etc. Flowers was from Farragut Projects. My Uncles used to go to his parties and they said during the late 60's and early 70's he was the best DJ in NYC. Maybe the whole east coast.
I thought cowboy came up with the phrase Hip Hop......Mario had the sound, t Rex puetro ricans learned from Mario, kool herc had his own distinctive sound ...
The first Jamaican DJs said themselves they brought back Amplifiers when they worked on Orange farms in Florida .. they listened to black music on Voice of America and later created their Ska style of music from Blues... They created their so-called sound systems from equipment bought in America but it was already Black DJs in America jamming
Herc said himself the Americans had the sound systems first lol
Jubalaires was rappin in the 40s look it up
Grandmaster Flowers was from Brooklyn and he played club music.
Rahiem from funky 4 said kool herc was the dj that started it because other djs like flowers and dj mario was playing disco
@@joshuawisdom9694 Now you see more confusion.
That's real talk 💯
@@bigolbabyhuey According to Cholly Rock, one of the original Black Spades, Flowers got into HIP-HOP later.
Grandmaster Flowers was known for 3 things; blending records. He got so good at it, at some point, he would blend 3 different records using 3 turntables. 2nd; he was known for breaking records and making them underground hits. Case in point, The Mexican by the band Babe Ruth. The Mexican became a big hit amongst b-boys. 3rd; Grandmaster Flowers was known for playing a lot of obscured records that no one else would play. Maybe what he played at the Manhattan nightclubs was different than what he played in the parks. In Brooklyn he played rock, psychedelic, funk, underground disco etc.
PUERTO RICANS WERE OUTSIDE ALONG WITH THE BLACKS
African Americans are not messing with Busta Rhymes after saying we have no culture and trying to colonize our culture.
Most of us don’t care about any music he is putting out.
Vindication. Salute Minnesota!
How did The Bronx get the name "The Boogie -Down"?
I started hearing around 1973 - 74.
Look up the Black Spades
@@mrworkowt5419 Black spades had Boricuas🇵🇷in there gang
@@BoricuaNyc
I get it and I'm not sure what that supposed to mean no disrespect.
It was the place to party.
KOOL HERC STARTED THE MERRY-GO-ROUND
Doggie you was Definitely Right! Proving Busta Rhymes Wrong with that comment about America has no Culture.... The Truth cannot be Disputed.....
cancel Busta rhymes
Crazy because Q tip said his sister took him to the same park jam with Grandmaster flowers when he was 5
Black Americans created jazz,blues,and rock roll. These genres has made white peoples around the world rich. Why is it an issue that other black peoples
What it is really showing is the deep seated psychological damage to the psyche of Black people and the lack of an Global View of the African World.
I'm learning more everytime I come to this channel.
The cypher originally started in the 1800's on the island of Santiago, which is located in the Cabo Verde Islands West Africa. The slaves would get in a circle and you would have the slaves that formed the circle would beat on there laps making a beat, and each slave would take turns jumping in the middle and they would express there feelings by singing, and the harsh situation s they lived in.The genre in Kriol language is called Batuku.
Yeah learning trash. Anyone can start a CZcams channel and create talking points fool. Smart people knows a lot of stuff these nowadays CZcams channel talk about ain't accurate. Just like this 🤡 channel talking bullshit. Jamaicans started hip hop. That's a no brainer to the foundation people. Y'all are new comers talking shit
@@jman1562001 That's what's up, do you have a link to that?
@@notforthefaintofheart5359 STOP THE BULLSHIT. That has NOTHING to do with hip-0hop. Making shit up. Funny thing is...the "cypoher" is FBA vernacular.
@@notforthefaintofheart5359
Hip-hop is FBA period. Originated in the South. Tired of people like you all trying to bypass FBAs' rich history of survival, struggle, and innovation in the U.S., to credit a continent of > 3,000 tribes ; it's dishonest AF!
You all do not do this with any other group's genres of music except with FBAs and we are sick of it.
The fact that ppl actually believe that they did is idiotic in its on right.
Naysayers.
We should also be asking, What are the Elements of Hip Hop and where did each one come from?
Some don't know. Thats the problem
FDA created all type of genre negro spiritual, work songs, gospel, boogie woogie, play game song, blues, ragtime, call and response, work songs, scat, bebop , do woo, funk, r&b disco. That were hip hop got it influence from.
thats our dancehall
Rap and Hip-Hop are both Black AmericanDOS creations, however they're two different things with different histories. Ninety nine percent of the time when people say Hip-Hop what they really mean is Rap, the "Hip-Hop" term needs to be fazed out when discussing music. Technically, Hip-Hop is a youth movement that was birthed in the Bronx and died there. The Hip-Hop term has been misused and thrown around loosely and inappropriately for decades, it's caused confusion and that's one of the reasons Rap doesn't have a proper standard history as a music genre. You don't associate the creation of Blues or Jazz with any type of separate youth or cultural movement so why would you do it with Rap?
Dominican Puerto Rican Cubans only NYC blacks created hip hop NYC culture blacks outside NYC had no clue on birth of hip hop.
I like this brother. The one thing he is wrong on is that Black Americans had big sound systems before Kool Herc or Jamaica
You that nigga for real for real for this Doggie!!!!! I'm a 90's baby but *BEAT STREET* hands down like 6:30 my favorite movie easy. If You Know You Know! This is too official kid 🫡🙆🏾♂🤝👑💯🔥
@Maurice. You have to watch Wild Style and Style Wars. Kay Slay (Dezzy Dez) was in Style Wars. RIP
@@defrocker0569 you the man!
Jamaicans used to dis hihop music
True, I remember them saying "its a fad" in Brooklyn
@@culturedat not true
@@evertonroper5106 so true, I was raised by a Rastafarian dad in Brooklyn who had many jamaican friends. Heard that first hand YOUTH
@@culturedat wow, I grew up between mount Vernon and the Bronx but also live in Brooklyn for about five years. On Prospect Place between Grand & Classon aves when Old dirty Bastard AKA ODB lived on Berkley street in Park Slope which was during the Dean Street Cafe days but no one in my circle ever dissed Hip Hop my cousin Dave Jam Hall produced many R&B artists he’s out of the Bad Boy Camp with Eddy Ferrell I say that to say this any Jamaican who diss Hip Hop is ignorant to his culture my response was merely based on my experience
@VictorHampton unfortunately many of us Jamaicans are ignorant to their own cultural art forms
Part 4 of Michael Wayne TV who is recounting the history, a Puertorican. Hahahahaha.
okay now im confused, I thought the story was Cindy cool Hercs Sister got em to Dj her bday block party and used the turntables in a form the Art we call Hip Hop…So..I mean, if we dig back back back, there might have been another man from another area experimenting in the same ways like the Dj’s that cane out after Cool Herc and what not, as Hip Hop is a culture, it takes a village to raise a child, via, The Bronx.
Check out Michael Wayne TV,just regular folks remembering a time frame & one thing resonates..... Kool Herc & Bam would come over to soundview & check out what Mario was doing....
Sorry but Jamaicans didn't bring the sound system to America either We had sound systems and were having block parties before we knew what a Jamaicans was
I guess all those folks from the south who joined Marcus Garveys UNIA Movement didn't know what a Jamaican was also,,,,
@ColtanFree Did Marcus Garvey bring the sound system to America? If not what your talking about is irrelevant
@@atliens1996 You didn't say Jamaican Sound System . You said :"a Jamican" as it relates to a people. You are the one that is irelevant. Yoa'll cats don;t really understand what Sound System Culture is...that is the problem. People playing records through a system existed all across the world but it deidn;t developed into a "culture" or industry as it happened in Jamaica. That's the point.
@ColtanFree like I said black people from the south didn't know anything about no Jamaica or Jamaicans back then and didn't know Jamaicans bring sound system or sound system culture to America and influence nothing the influence came from black American music and went to Jamaica Even the four fathers of Jamaican music acknowledged that y'all
just making up stuff
@@atliens1996 Once again.....Ya'll cats dont understand what soundsystem culture is. Can you give me the name of one famous Soundsystem in Black America? Name one please....No one is denying the influence of Black American music but you just don;t understand what is meant by soundsystem culture. That is the problem.
Hip Hop as we know it today was created by Black Americans in the Bronx. Yes some components of Hip Hop existed before, but everything was put together in the Bronx. Black American Caribbeans played a big part in Hip Hop after it's creation. A few Puerto Ricans jumped on early but moreso in the late 70s early 80s. Grand Master Flowers and DJ Hollywood were established DJs but they weren't what we considered Hip Hop in the beginning.
Good looking for the info.
I'm puerto Rican and I love all genres of music but rap music hip-hop is by far my favorite so much that I'm willing to challenge anyone to a friendly battle weather bar for bar or song for song
Salute Salute 🫡🫡🫡
People forget about DJ Kool Dee doing it before Flash, Herc and Bambi
U don't get dirty breakdancin'. We danced on cardboard that refrigerators came in and linoleum !!!!
Down south been having block parties wayyy before some damn Jamaicans no disrespect
Yesss!! I been saying this. My grandparents were having block parties in the 1940s lol. That wasn’t a new thing for us in America.
Bob Marley was imitating Smokey Robinson and the Miricles before there was any reggie music so stop it. Reggie is good music but it gets its foundation from old school black American music. That's facts. You guys are always saying something yall do is better. If that's the case, why did you flee your country?
Bob Marley imitated no one Btw how old are you because you’re clueless Iam 62 years old and am gonna say this you’re talking out your ass from your mommas basement
Lol. Why did you have to mention us fleeing our country. That was a low blow. Anyway, Black Americans influenced the world and paved the way for all Black people around the world. However, you must admit, that for a VERY small and poor country, Jamaica has been very influential musically. Jamaicans did not create Hip Hop music, but Jamaican descendants were at least, a very small part of its foundation.
@@imnotasimp7440 you’re truly a simp idiot bwoy go do some researh and remember this America don’t have a history beside you were not even born yet because you wouldn’t be talking out your ass
I think the first time I heard of Minnesota was on a Mos Def song Grow man business.
Jamaicans did not have the sound systems before black americans when the sound system DJs said they were getting them from the US and copying Black Americans.
King Charles was originally from Jamaica and moved to East Elmhurst. He was noted for developing innovations to New York sound systems with knowledge from sound systems from the Caribbean, such as using a certain type of amplifier to create a heavy bass, like in reggae. People in the documentary noted they knew that King Charles was foreign, but they had little idea that his heritage influenced his music so much, so when he played music most Americans did not recognize his sounds as ‘Caribbean,’ just unique. This is an example of how Caribbean style contributions can sometimes go unrecognized, because the audience of the music, as spreaders of knowledge, did not know themselves.
The truth of the matter is. M.Ali the boxer was rapping in the early 60s and 70s how about that.
I heard about King Charles they tak about him on a documentry called the founding fathers
That was one DJ in Queens. You turned that into he gave NYC DJ’s the idea to use bass? Do you know music in the late 1960’s, early 1970’s were more dynamic in sound unlike today, so they didn’t want just bass heavy music
This is why Kool Herc said him sound system was emulating AMERICAN sound systems NOT Jamaican cause Americans systems were more clean sounding
Reggae doesn’t have a lot of others mids, and highs, cause the baseline is more pronounced. With vinyl you have to prioritize certain sounds in music cause vinyl can’t hold too much information unlike digital today which is why music today is louder, and more bass heavy. Cassette Tapes were the start of it with “too short” being one of the first to add tons of bass to his music in the late 1980’s
Im a producer so I know this stuff which is why I know when people are lying about what they did in the past
Did you forget that he was in NYC, the HOME of the modern DJ. AND SOUND SYSTEMS?
Then you say it was “Caribbean” when it was JAMAICAN dj culture that influenced him, not Caribbean’s in general. Whenever I see someone say Caribbean instead of Jamaican l, I already know the lies or half truths are next
And, they DID know he was foreign they didn’t know where he was from. The people in the documentary assumed sound systems were big in Jamaica cause that’s what we all were told but now we know it’s the other way around which makes sense being that AMERICA is a rich country, we always had access to the best music equipment in the world, especially if you lived in NYC!
They never mentioned. NONE OF WHAT TOU ADDED IN THAT DOCUMENTARY …that even showed King Charles. Stop LYIN
@@Rio-uv1gs I don’t need a documentary to tell me what I SAW WITH MY OWNN EYES IM FROM BROOKLYN THEE EAST❗️❗️❗️❗️ He DIDNT teach NO DJ ANYTHING nobody wanted to hear what he was playing and that’s why he was not NO BIG DJ IN QUEENS …..he played reggae when reggae was NOT POPULAR IN NY he was. Just around wasn’t no INNOVATOR OF ANYTHING black Americans had SOUN SYSTEMS WAYYY MORE BIGGER AND POWERFUL AND MORE POPULAR THEN HIM STRAIGHT FACTS
James Whipper II, more
famously known as Prince Whipper Whip, became the
first Puerto Rican/Latino rapper when he joined the
Mighty Force Crew in the late 1970s as their MC while
fellow Peurto Rican, DJ Disco Wiz was the first Puerto Rican
DJ... Hip Hop was created in 1973 bv the way....
Prince Whipper Whip was half FBA. His father is FBA.
The reason why a lot say Jamaica because the original to rappers delight came from general echo 1974. And not to mention studio one rockers music for the rest of the chapters Pryor to that. People way before cool herc. Not to mention sound system culture with massive speakers since the late 40s. Listen to the r&b features with gangsta mc’s
Anybody could put together words and rhyme them champ. Some people talking apples and orange in the comments… No one is attempting to take anything from Blacks especially Puerto Rican’s, but all that trying to Black wash shit is a whole dub… Puerto Rican’s played a major part and that’s not an opinion…. Let’s stay focused no special Ed shit…. We are talking about Hip Hop you know that thing that was created in The Bronx with 2 turntables and a mic. 4 elements of Hip Hop: Deejaying, MCing, Graffiti, and B-boying aka Bronx-boying…. You odeeing with all that extra shit and I get homie and I understand why you feel that way, but this ain’t that…. No opinions only facts 💯🦾
Then. How PuertoRicans did make up hip-hop if thats the case.
CLOWN WITHOUT BLACKS THERE'S NO HOP HOP
WITHOUT PUERTO RICANS THERE'S STILL HIP HOP. stop I see you may have a mental problem. OR JUST HATE. SAD
NAme one thing that Ricans were doing that FBAS weren’t doing first…and provide proof
IT IS TRUE , EVERYONE KNOWS THAT PUERTO 🇵🇷 RICANS DESERVE PROPS FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE ADVANCEMENT OF HIP HOP, THATS FOR SURE, YALL WAS BREAKING AND BUSTEN MAD MOVES ON THAT CARDBOARD WITH EVERYONE ELSE. MAD MAD PROPS. THE ISSUE IS THE EARLIEST ORIGIN OF HIP HOP.
name a Rican dancer before the Zulu Kings
I got an exclusive interview with KooL Herc, saying otherwise. We are too often reluctant to give our people, their appropriate appraisal.
*Steel Talk*
I don't have NO love for Fat Joe and Buster Rhymes saying they created Hip Hop and they know damn well they didn't so l have no respect for nucca.