I Learned it Wrong! Seated EUC Riding Tutorial
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- I learned how to ride seated the slow, hard way on my Electric Unicycle. I did this because there were lots of things that I wish I had known, and lots of things that I didn't find in other EUC seated riding tutorials. Call it "secret knowledge", if you will. It never was a secret in the end, but rather just tips that accelerated my learning speed significantly. Here I share the things that I learned in tutorial format, and hope I can help you improve your own skills. Everyone learns differently, and there are tons of different ways to learn seated riding, but I hope you can take parts of this video and apply it to build your skills.
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Seeing you riding like this on the road makes me realized how great these little machines are, they can replace a car, motorcycle, bicycle, scooter, can go offroad pretty easily
in Moscow delivery people using as business transportation.
Don't forget to add that, unless they are terrible soily from your former off-road adventure, you can take them with you inside the most shops, supermarkets, malls, etc., and even use them as a shopping cart. :D
Riding seated is my go-to position after spending three days on a gravel bike. It's the perfect recovery exercise.
Viewers, when you look and feel this confident while seated, the EUC will feel like a different machine. That's an effective way to explain the sitting positions and of course, i use both.
Here is a technique i use when seated riding.
I use my your arms as counter weights. If you use your arms as a counter weight you will have to lean less to accelerate and brake. Simple, hold your arms out in front of you without leaning. Now do it while leaning. See? I feel i can accelerate faster than standing this way. It feels way more stable than leaning way out over the wheel. Also, using this method allows me to brake deep into turn and accelerate harder out of turns much earlier. Why, because im steering with my torso while using the position of my arms to slow or speed up. Imagine your arms are behind you going into the turn and as you transition out of the turn they slowly swing them back to the front to gently accelerate out of the turn. Very effective and smooth once you get it.
But, like you said, for emergency or hard braking, coming out of the seat is required.
It's important that riders do squats, this is a great exercise for euc pilots. Easing yourself down on your seat is a good way to learn. I often well do squats before riding.
Consider looking at the PowerKnobz rather than torque pads. The specific reason is that powerknobz don't block your legs when you sit down - you don't need to spread your legs in order to be seated, and can just keep your knees snug on the sides. This does give you a bit more control in some cases, but also compounds the aerodynamic advantage of being seated. Best way to prevent "the splits"! It also does keep your feet fully locked in but letting you lean while seated, without losing any advantage from your pad setup.
They are an interesting design, I'd like to give them a shot to see how well they work. It does concern me that I wouldn't be able to extract as much torque from them as "regular" pads. Maybe my concerns are unfounded, I dunno. 🙂
@@WheelGoodTime It takes just a little bit of time getting used to - the general #1 advantage with the PowerKnobz is that you don't push on the plastic for the torque : you lean your entire body forward ("knees over toes") and the mass shifting forward causes the torque. Think about it this way: it's fully possible to brake on an EUC without having brake pads: all you need to do is "sit down" as backwards as you can, right? I've done this myself, as long as your feet are locked in and don't slide, you can brake more easily without pads than with them. The same concept applies to going forward - if you kneel down and shift forward, the weight distribution causes torque that's superior to just pushing on pads. I'd even go as far as saying acceleration pads actually *prevent* some amount of torque from happening. They're a security blanket, a crutch, not a feature.
I assume you'd have to be SUPER locked into the powerknobz in order to safely lean over your wheel in order to get proper torque on it. Is that true? The concept intrigues me, but I'm unwilling to blow $120+ USD on a set of pads that I may only use once 🙂 I hope to give them a try someday because it is an interesting concept.
@@WheelGoodTime Actually, I've ridden mine much looser (like, after moving it, using a different wheel, or lending it to someone) and it's fine. If you needed to be locked in to be safe, torque pads wouldn't work either. The only time you need to be really locked in is during offroad, but other than that, it's not actually that strict. I've also ridden around with *only* the front powerknob and nothing in the back, no brake pad, and that works too!
1:08 - if you think about it, it's because you have one center of gravity instead of two. Hence, no wobbles, as no balance between two centers is needed (between the feet). The ass on the wheel makes all the difference.
Good point! 🙂
Seated riding on the V12 and loving it. I had to modify the seat to sit higher, I’m a tall guy. I do feel much more confidence at high speed seated riding.
Wow, new to channel: this is so well done. I have >2500mi under belt, but have been very slow to even try to learn any advanced riding skills like backwards or seated, jumps etc. Your compelling presentation of a lot of subtlety in a short space inspires me to try this. Like wobbles remain the hardest fear for me of going anywhere near my wheels' top speeds. Yet you say seated eliminates such speed wobbles, at precisely the high speeds where aerodynamics are most important.
Wow, that's high praise! Thank you so much! People like you are what keeps me motivated to work hard to make this channel as good as I can 😀
If your tyre is unbalanced then it can and does lead to wobbles, to fix that there should be a lot of videos and it'll be quite annoying. Even so, it'll still be ridable though, but requires a bit different approach. Instead of standing feet side-by-side, if you have one foot more back and the other a bit further, almost a boxing stance, then you can ride quite wobbly and unbalanced wheels.
Good video, I just learned to ride seated. I had tried it first at high speeds, it seemed easy, but when I tried it slower I fell twice. I took some time off then when I got back to it I decided I would master seated. I practiced sitting down and standing up a bunch and it finally clicked after about maybe :30. I haven't tried riding very fast seated, but practicing lots of turning and carving helps. I have the wide ShermS original stock aftermarket pad and seat setup and they are jutting into the inside of my knee a bit. So I am more of a hybrid splits & wide no. 2 stance. I feel I can stand quickly though and that seems to be what matters. Unless I have been sitting too long. I find really concentrating on applying pressure with my balls of my feet instead of my knees to carve helps me feel somewhat more in control. I also use the handle, pushing down on it to go and pulling back on it to stop, and the back handle as well sometimes.
This helped a lot. Thanks man
Really good job! Thanks! 👍
Great video. Excellent breakdown, text prompts and music.
Thank you! 🥳
Great and helpful video
Ordering a BeGode extreme in a couple of days- thank you for the tips. I bought the A2 a week ago, as my first EUC… felt limited by the speed about 30 minutes in thought it was great to get an early feel for how EUC’s ride. Gonna keep the A2 for friends/family/light commute and use the Extreme for trail riding and city riding. Great tips about maintaining control and awesome safety advice- please keep creating content. Subscribed and if you’re ever in Utah hit me up 4 some fun trails.
What a beast of a video. Thanks for the tips I ride a v12 and my seat is coming tomorrow. So exited
Learning to ride seated on a v12 will be tough, but you can do it! :)
Cool video!
Excellent video. About "don't start seated", ymmv, but that is actually how I learned to ride seated: starting from a stopped position. I was riding a RS19-HS for 13 months, at the time I could ride quite confident in all situations, on- and off-road, but I was not able to sit on it, then I got a Master Pro, it was difficult to mount on that much heavier wheel, but as the wheel is quite tall, I found out it was easier to sit on it, then start from the seated position and stand up after it got to some speed. Nowadays I can ride the Master Pro "pro level", same as the RS two years ago, including standing, seated, starting from sitting, or switching from seated to standing "on the fly", but I have still some fear every time when I want to switch from standing to seating on the Master Pro. l cannot do that with the RS yet - I tried, but gave up after falling few times - that wheel is too low for my old knees to sit on it (I kept both wheels, I have a standard Begode seat on the RS, quite low, nothing fancy). With the Master Pro, I can switch from standing to seating, but I am not really confident doing it, and usually prefer not to do it "on the fly". I kind of getting goosebumps every time I try, and a sentiment of victory every time I succeed. That's after about two years of riding that Master Pro. No joke. On the other direction, if I am for example at a traffic light and there are a lot of motorcycles and scooters around me (living in Thailand, here they are a lot and drive like crazy, two people die every hour in motorcycle accidents - official statistics), then I prefer to start seated, and stand up after 20 or 50 meters or more, when I put some distance between me and the traffic partners around.
This is by far the best seated ridng tutorial. Thanks
Thank you so much! 😀
Thanks for the great video. I'm a new EUC rider, and I encountered a good wind gust the other day. I saw some videos online that said that seated riding is one of the best ways to counteract this, so I sought this video out. You did a great job putting this together, and made me consider things that I wouldn't have thought of on my own quite as quickly.
thank you for the kind words! :D
Brilliant, I was learning the minute you started talking. Much appreciated. 6 pac Gord
great vid 👍
Thank you! 🥳
Thanks for this! It took me less than 10 minutes before I was riding seated.
Wow that's awesome!! So glad I was able to help 😀
Thank you! Very well done video, kept my interest. I'm working on losing weight, want to hit 200-210 before getting a wheel, I'm 6'2" 300lbs at the moment. So it will be awhile. But man these e-wheels are fantastic.
They are magic indeed 😀
Great advice.... Well done.... Thanx 4 sharing.... New supporter #316
number two, ha!
Good stuff! But my man classic Power pads are obsolete now you need to get some Powerknobz they are absolutely phenomenal for seated riding!
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll keep an eye on those but I just ordered a fresh (different) set. I'll keep powerknobz in mind for next time around l though. Or I'd review a set of them for YT if they were sent to me 😎
Learning how to ride seated is my goal right now for sure. I just hope it doesn't take me the whole year to do it.
Best of luck, and I hope this video helps! If you have any issues or questions while learning feel free to comment again, and I'll help you the best that I can.
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@@MathieuTechMoto that's great to know, I will keep that in mind and likely do that in my upcoming videos!
@@WheelGoodTime Yeah it took me some time to find out why my videos were so blurry when i first started my channel, i think the quality of your content deserves more bitrate :D
What did you use to record this? Also would love some 1on1 help :) I went 68+ km yesterday on a group ride. However 3/4 the way through my back was killing me... Rest of group has seated riding down to a science but seems like I can't get it. This is most likely because im too afraid to do it from standing to seated.. so maybe i should just try that .. have always tried from a stopping position.
I used an insta360 camera. 😊 I'd be happy to give you some 1 on 1 help. You can dm me on Facebook (Rob Fail - photo is of me riding my EUC) or I can help you right here. How tall are you? What EUC are you riding?
Nice video
But i have a question do you think the Ex30 is a tall enough wheel to learn seated riding I’m a tall guy 😅 my sherman is too short and lets not talk about my Nikola
After meeting a tall guy who struggles with it still on the EX30. I'd say the EX30 isn't ideal unless you have something to raise the seat height, such as a Grizzla fairing system. The EX30 is rather low to the ground and I even found it's a bit tough for me to sit down on it as a 5'7" guy. The taller the EUC, the better 😁 see what you can do to add seating height onto your wheel to make it easier, or if all else fails, try it on a taller wheel 🙃
Thank you ill look at the v13 for my next wheel
I’m about to get started on learning seated riding. I’m a fairly large rider (6’1” 265 lbs) on a stock Veteran Sherman Max. First question I have is, how do you find a good seat for your wheel?
The stock shermax seat may work well for you, but it is small - I prefer a nice and tall one myself. There are some surron-style ones that are very long, large, tall and cushy that are very popular for shermaxes that I hear great things about. clarkpads.com/products/veteran-sherman-euc-seat
@@WheelGoodTime appreciate the quick response. I totally agree that the stock one leaves a lot to be desired and that CP one you linked to (Surron Float seat) would be the way to go. Unfortunately they’ve been sold out for months and I’m not sure they’ll ever have them in stock again. Here’s to hoping!
What a bummer! If you reach out to them directly via their website, you might be able to get an idea when they expect them to be in stock again. 🙂
Make sure to not move your feet too much after sitting down. You want to always be able to stand up fast if needed to brake hard. If you moved your feet too much you might not have them in the right place and you will lose balance and crash and burnnnnnn
I think it's better to start riding seated from a stop when 1st learning. Removes that worry that your going to fall off the back when you sit
Maybe so for some - I tried learning from a standstill and it was exceptionally difficult to learn that way. For me, it was better to let the wheel do the balancing work for you, but everyone's mileage may vary and everyone has different learning methods. 🙂
I can start seated but even after 2 years I can’t sit while riding; I get the wobbles and crash
@xavier goudreault I found that grabbing the front f the wheel and pulling myself forwards as I sit helps
I recommend what he said - grabbing the front helps a lot. If you have a handle, grab that to guide you down. I used a GoPro/insta 360 camera mount to pinch as my point of reference, not even a real handle at all.
Keep doing "air squats" as low as you are comfortable until you naturally make contact. 🙂
I recommend learning how to ride out your wobbles and get those under control prior to learning to ride seated though 😎 best of luck, and please let me know if the stuff I suggested in the video works for you!
@@electricunipsycho thanks I’ll try
How many cuttouts have you gotten with that wheel?
Zero 🙂
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Hey whats up that link doesn't work for the 3d printed handle
Thanks for the heads up... For some reason it looks like the page got deleted. I'll look into it and get an updated link, then let you know when it's fixed.
Thanks I will need one for my begode Master if one can be printed for that wheel
Looks like the link is working again. I have no idea why it wasn't working for a couple days but I just checked now, and the page loaded for me. 😊
Why not just make a EUC with an adjustable seat post ( maybe a suspension dropper like on my MTB) and a real true and tested UC seat? Maybe not so big, fast and expensive but super super stable with adjustable battery AH's . Seems more and more these things are evolving as a sit down machines like the original manual UC's. To each their own but sitting down all the time for cruising sense makes since to me and I like it better on these things. I prefer the slower side stance standing ride style on Onewheels.
I don't lock my feet in at all. I hang them oer the front of my pedals
You've also been able to ride seated for a long time - Locking your feet in isn't a requirement by any means - but I believe it helps you learn to ride seated to keep maximum control of the wheel. Locking your foot is also important when riding seated at 40+ mph, to make quick reactions and pop up in case you need to brake quickly.
If there is one thing I'm observing after posting this video, there are many, many ways to learn to ride both seated and standing 😂
how tall are you
5'7" 🙂
Aerodynamically I see it would have better performance. Yet it just seems way out of controll and not worth the risk. Good luck for those learning it.
Hahaha. Not worth the risk, and yet you aquired an EUC, then learned to ride it. ;)
Actually, once you learn, it's safer. If for any reason you come off the wheel, the initial impact will be considerably less because you're lower to the ground.
what wheel is that
Begode Master Pro (V1) 🙂
@WheelGoodTime would you recoment v2 model, and do you make 3d parts for it?
@@huizdeeze1075 I prefer the V1 model because it has a brighter and better protected headlight and better kickstand. But the the V2 stock tire, taillight and seat are better. Kind of a wash in the end 🙂
@WheelGoodTime is V2 longer range and more powerful correct?
@@huizdeeze1075 No, those things are identical from the V1 to the V2. Same parts, same power, same range.
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Bro.... How to turn?? You didn't cover that 😅
is this why that one guy rides seated all the time?
I get severe speed wobbles just as about my butt is going to sit down.
My guess is that your pads aren't quite dialed in if that's the case. I'd suggest moving your pads either forward or back, a tiny bit at a time. Once your feet have your weight centered above the axle, your wobbles should subside. 🙂
@@WheelGoodTime Got it. Thanks!!
@@WheelGoodTime I did it! Thank you for your suggestions. Adjusting my pads and sitting at higher speeds is what fixed it for me. After those few little fixes I actually found it quite easy and was doing it on and off numerous times today with ease. I'm super stoked, it also lets the pressure off your feet for a couple of minutes and makes your feet feel a lot better. Thanks!!
I'm so happy that worked for you!!
I have to disagree with learning while going 20 mph. Riding seated changes the point of balance as well as how the wheel behaves when stopping or starting. That's not something you want to "figure out" when going 20+. My advice, learn from a stop then once you're comfortable riding seated, you can learn how to transition between standing and sitting at speed.
At my age, I think it's safe to say I would kill myself if I tried learning how to ride one.
Nonsense! 🙂 If you can stand and ride a bike, you can learn to ride an EUC. Usually it takes a few hours of effort to get your balance and learn to ride. There are many old folks riding, this is a mostly 20-50 year old activity but there is no age limit to mobility. 🙂
I just turned 71 and got a v12 for my birthday. Have 70 miles on it, a lot of parking lots and about 15 miles on roads. Never too old to learn to ride. Just be sure to have all the gear
It's such an incredible feeling once you gain control (riding an EUC). start on a light, low-speed wheel. It is better to risk death than to not live. If you are saying you are too old, you obviously are not. Once you are too old, you won't have any interest in even talking about it. Besides, the danger in getting older is weak hips and balance. This improves both.
In my case, while learning, the rule #2 was not true, I wobbled, couldn't adequately turn trying switching from standing to sitting. But when I tried starting sitting from a standstill it magically worked the first time and I was immediately able to ride and turn stably. In my case when transitioning from standing to sitting I ended up in a wonky sitting position, but when starting from seated position you can freely adjust and find a comfortable position.
Completely disagree with point #4 and #5. When you are learning you absolutely should not lock in your feet. Spiked pedals? Yes! Everything else, absolutely not. When you are learning you need to be able to quickly disengage and jump off the wheel, by locking yourself in you expose yourself to very unpleasant injuries. Also, in seated riding, it's harder (imho) to brake than to accelerate and you advise people to adjust pedals for easier acceleration? Good luck doing an emergency stop.
That's what I think about "learning", if you already now how to ride seated all these points make sense
I'm honestly shocked that you learned by not having your feet locked in 😲 when moving fast riding seated, you will hopefully not jump off the wheel quickly as that will cause more injuries, but I can see what you mean if you are doing that starting from a standstill. Having your foot locked in might not be what you want when you just need to get your foot out to stop a fall at 5 mph.
hmm.... I disagree with a lot of things you have said.
I disagree with rule #2. It depends on individual. I learned seated ride from standstill, because I was having a hard time slowing down while going fast seated and that was a scary feeling. You would really need to lean back while seated and that's difficult to do at first especially if you are already going fast. Yes, speed is your friend when practicing seated ride just like when we learned how to ride standing up. Yes, you also need to practice transition while moving, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't start from standstill. It's really up to the individual. If you can slow down without a problem while seated, go right ahead and practice seated riding while moving fast.
I also disagree with rule #3. You do not need a handle. It helps, but not because of the reason you listed. If you are sitting way forward and feeling like you are falling off, and you need a handle to stay on, you are not in a correct position and probably need to check your wheel angle (will get back to this on rule #5). If you practice seated riding long enough, you will eventually understand that most control comes from your feet and hip. Handle helps, but definitely not necessary.
Also disagree with rule #4. You want your pads to be placed in a way so that they won't interfere with you standing up or sitting down. If your feet are locked in, you will have to change your feet position every time you are sitting down or standing up. The way you can compromise is "lock" your toes, but keep your heels free. It gives you enough control with locked toes and give you enough free room to stand and sit without changing your feet. This also helps immensely on carving. If your wheel is not one of those tallest wheels, you will have a really hard time sitting or standing back up with your feet locked in.
Disagree with rule #5, you do not have to lower wheel angle. This is why you need a handle to stay on your wheel and without it, you feel like you are going to fall off and faceplant.
If there's one thing I've seen after posting this video, it is that there are many, many ways to learn to ride seated. Those "rules" are not requirements, just guidelines to help someone get the learning process accelerated and if you want, none of those rules can be followed and you can successfully learn to ride seated. However I still stand by those pieces of advice, and if they don't work for you, then it's all good. You can piecemeal it any way you want as long as the end result is to finish with your butt on the wheel 🙂
@@WheelGoodTime Yes, many ways to learn is the point. Say that and stop right there. No need to get defensive and let your ego speaking on your behalf.
Did you register and get a license plate for this??? Because you are riding illegally...
That depends on the state/country you are living in. Each state has different laws concerning the use of EUCs on public roads. Currently it is not possible in North Carolina to register/insure for liability/plate an EUC and it remains in a legal gray area. But there are no statutes that specifically disallow EUCs/PEVs on the road. This is delifferent from state to state though. Sadly, some countries make it 100% illegal to ride in the street with traffic, such as in the UK. Other countries in Europe specifically make it legal though. Go figure. 🤷
Maybe because euc riders go faster than class 3 ebikes ... Why are euc snobs??? Just because you have the speed doesn't mean you have a right to speed...