As a kid in Maine I worked on a 65 foot fishing boat that had the exact same motor my boss would send me down to the engine room to start the pony motor and then throw the lever to start the main engine . at 14 I thought it was a greatest thing to do! lol
Squatch253 has videos up on how he rebuilt the injector pump for his D2. It was a 4 cyl pump but it theory, it would be same for a 6. He really goes in depth with his videos.
Back in 60s, early freeze in Joliet, il . Was mechanic . Had 3 customers bring busted motors . We put K& W block sealer in all 3 and it worked . One motor had busted cylinder wall . We installed according to instructions . Parts salesman said if it didn't work he would refund money. Saved customers lot of money . Good luck .
My hat is off to ya! Always like to hear someone say I've got to research and learn something new. This day and time most people want to take it to be fixed.
We had a model T and Macormick Deering tractor were crank to start . To avoid having thumb broken cup thumb alongside the fingers ,on same side of the handle as the fingers are on . This keeps a backfire from ripping the thumb off . Glad to see you fixed the motor . good work .
Like starting old A model or old Harley with kick start just don't break that arm or throw that shoulder out starting it be safe use the drill to start it ok stay safe and healthy and keep the video's coming
It's a start , Jonathan . You'll get it figured out . I reckon as you go through it , all of the little leaks will get fixed . That way when she fires off , you will be free enough to see any other troubles . She rolled over easy enough , & had oil pressure . One piece at a time . If anyone can get it running , it's YOU Brother !
For a pretty good description of the injection pump see Squatch253 's video "Caterpillar D2 #5J1113 Diesel Engine Assembly Ep.29: Injection Pump Disassembly & Problems..." Feb 24, 2020
I love your passion for keeping the old iron alive. The fellas that worked on that stuff and know it well are getting tough to find. Keep on doing good things sir!! Its great fun to watch.
When I was a tractor driver at Caterpillar East Peoria building LL in the 1970's we built a batch of artic equipped D-9's for the trans -Siberian pipeline that the USSR was building and they were all equipped with pony motors that were almost identical except the pony's had electric starting motors and the bendix engagement lever was moved into the artic insulated cab. The bendix is designed so you have to hold it in like some of the old cars that had a mechanical starter pedal.
Its what my dad and others of his era worked with. Some still are on the islands in alaska where the government dropped them and we tried successfully to start. The machine itself had problems with frictions on the finals but it did move and then left after we were through playing with it at Thorne Bay, Prince of Wales Alaska. That was back in the seventies. One other was at a mine above marblemount washington.. at a mine called the silver queen mine. The pony motor started with a crank handle between the blade an radiator. It kicked back and broke my cousins arm four weeks I think before he went into the marines. I really hope it barks to life for you Jonathan. I know a persons hopes shouldn't be too high after so long but I feel like it should go.
Friend of mine got an old D6 from the late 40s that hadn't run for many years. Problem he had was the plungers in the injector pump we're stuck in the up position. Just had to spray them down good and give them a little gentle persuasion to get them to drop back down against the cam. The gears on the plungers were turning okay to meter the fuel so we don't pull them out and we made sure none of them became disengaged from the rack while we were working on them. We were able to get them unstuck and pumping again. Reminded me of loosening stuck valves in an old inline flathead engine. I noticed some injector pumps have a dipstick in that long rectangular cover so you're sure there's oil in there for the cam and plungers.
I was taught by an old time it is best you use a light film of grease on then older head gaskets so the head can shift in to place and for expansion. And soak them in water for a day or two
In the UK we mostly had Gardner diesel engines and Rolls Royce diesels in old big stuff, to get sticky inline injector pumps to free off when they've been stood for years just rotate the pump cam till the plunger is 'off cam' and a few seconds with a small blowtorch on the housing would usually work best. Then just oil it all up. Best of luck 👍
Goodness I'm sending this to my Son. One of his Navy Buddies gave him a 68 Mustang because they both got to know each other when they were working on new Motor in their Ship the USS Constillation. Texas 60.
I got a '69 SA200 lincoln with the flathead F163 continental, i'm thinking it must be close to one of the last machines to have come with a hand crank to back up the electric start. this project just reminded me of that. btw, that old lincoln is still welding like a dream and making me $$$. fingers crossed. ;)
Yep it's a big engine alright , so far looks all fixable ,you can do it Jonathan with your know how should be a peice of cake , happy Xmas and a big thanks from England !
it's hard to beat old Indian head shellac, to please the crybabies, maybe we should call it, "native American head." it's not suitable for everything but it's been around for a very long time and it's pretty much my favorite. I like your idea using a drill to start that little engine, I used the same methods on those old Wisconsin's I had, I did have to make and adapter to fit the crank pins on the end of the shaft.
The circle of life!!! An electric motor to drive a gas engine to fire a diesel beast! Now we need to find something that the big ole diesel can power when it comes back to life.
Ok it's broken everywhere, That's not a problem. The three phase double inverter is busted, or something else that no one has ever heard of, not a problem, I'll just make a new one no big deal. Jonathan is the best.
Jonathan, with the greatest of respect !-- keep that thumb on the other side of the handle, with the 4 fingers. Kickback will break your thumb !! Don't ask how I know this. Love the hear that Pony neigh ! lol.
Excellent video Johnathan W :) also glad found new head for pony motor also sounds great and hopefully hear next videos on Desiel motor run and hear sounds too!
Those old cat injection pumps had a habit of the rack sticking if they set for long periods. It goes against everything I know, but I’ve seen numerous people get in there with a brass drift and a hammer and pound the rack back and forth till it free’d up. You’re obviously a intelligent man, so repair at your discretion, but the barrels need to rotate out of the no fuel position before they will pump. Keep on being you!
This might be completely wrong, but I THINK I remember guys using copper paint (with ground-up copper) to coat gaskets before the copper spray became popular.
I hope you and your family had a Merry Christmas. I am always amazed at your ability to get engines running. That pony motor sounds good. Can't wait to hear the big one come to life. Lots of Luck to you.
That" Indian head shellac" Permatex was the only thing i ever found would stop active gas tank leak with fuel coming out . I put a screw in the hole coated area with indian head a few times fuel leak stopped. Emergency temporary repair .
I have a D4 which doesn’t like to prime even with new filters and turning it over with pony. I’ve had to assist with pressurizing fuel tank and that does the trick. After it is primed it works fine. I’ve never worked on Cat injector pumps, have always worked even after 20 years. I think they are plunger type pumps. On Bosch plunger pump I’ve had plungers stuck in up position, you’ve probably checked if they are moving, just another suggestion.
Cat also made a D17000 from the same time period, that were used in generators, switcher locomotives where two engines were used and in bulldozers. The were massive V8 engines. There's some on CZcams that are running pony motor and all. I hope to see this one running!
Maybe the oil-bath air-filter leaked into the carb? Regardless, it's looking like all the issues will be something you can wrangle and I'm sure you'll have the primary engine purring along soon as well!
Heat that pump up with a heat gun or a small blowtorch until it is too hot to touch. Then apply some gentle taps with a peening hammer to the case, rotate the cam and wiggle the hell out of the rack. Those plungers will come loose eventually. They usually just stick in the upper position because of varnished fuel. They very seldom rust together if the pump hadn't been stored for a long time without the plumbing/injector lines. NEVER try to pry the plungers down with a screwdriver or a pry bar!!!!! They break very very easy!!
Worked on one a few years ago and the D7 the injectors were a pain to bleed there are screws on them to bleed them they wouldn't bleed at the line till we bled the body's the one on the D7 was a square head on the back ish of each body ? I believe ? once we did that then line it was good, also you haven't lived till you have push started a 25,000lb bulldozer with a sticky clutch 🙀☠️
That brazing will be fine. It's a time-honored activity to braze up tractor blocks. Any # of Cats have been brazed - main and pony engines. Rolled it over in low for a while then change up to high gear - looks good. A common issue with the fuel is that the rack gets stuck and / or the injector plungers get stuck up. Don't be tempted to tap the rack - instead gently work each plunger up and down until they free. The risk of tapping the rack is that the plungers lose their setting and Cat does not publish any information on how to recalibrate them
be sure there is always fresh oil in the pony motor.. they are not pressure lubed.. if the gasoline gets diluted from the main engine running and the fuel is still in the pony motor carb.. it will dilute the pony motor oil and destroy the bearings.. perhaps the block and crank journals.. the normal procedure is with the main engine running. shut off the fuel to the pony motor.. let it run out of gas so no fuel dilution in the pony motor oil can happen. you may want to watch the video with this title.. Caterpillar D2 #5J1113 Diesel Engine Assembly Ep.31: Injection Pump Assembly & Setting The Fuel Rack or episode 30.. where he might get into the injector bodies.. you will also want to watch this video 1937 CATERPILLAR DR7 DIESEL TRACTOR PROMOTIONAL FILM CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT 97664 about 5 minutes in it describes the inner workings of the same style injection pump the D13000 has except its for a 4 cylinder not a six... you will have to google search the titles to find them..
As a kid in Maine I worked on a 65 foot fishing boat that had the exact same motor my boss would send me down to the engine room to start the pony motor and then throw the lever to start the main engine . at 14 I thought it was a greatest thing to do! lol
Squatch253 has videos up on how he rebuilt the injector pump for his D2. It was a 4 cyl pump but it theory, it would be same for a 6. He really goes in depth with his videos.
Back in 60s, early freeze in Joliet, il . Was mechanic . Had 3 customers bring busted motors . We put K& W block sealer in all 3 and it worked . One motor had busted cylinder wall . We installed according to instructions . Parts salesman said if it didn't work he would refund money. Saved customers lot of money . Good luck .
My hat is off to ya!
Always like to hear someone say I've got to research and learn something new.
This day and time most people want to take it to be fixed.
Merry Christmas J.W and family
Knowing your abilities Sir even if it has a hole in the block, you'll get it running 👍
We had a model T and Macormick Deering tractor were crank to start .
To avoid having thumb broken cup thumb alongside the fingers ,on same side of the handle as the fingers are on .
This keeps a backfire from ripping the thumb off .
Glad to see you fixed the motor . good work .
Great way to wind up the year. Glad you got it fired up!!
Like starting old A model or old Harley with kick start just don't break that arm or throw that shoulder out starting it be safe use the drill to start it ok stay safe and healthy and keep the video's coming
It's a start , Jonathan . You'll get it figured out . I reckon as you go through it , all of the little leaks will get fixed . That way when she fires off , you will be free enough to see any other troubles . She rolled over easy enough , & had oil pressure . One piece at a time . If anyone can get it running , it's YOU Brother !
For a pretty good description of the injection pump see Squatch253 's video "Caterpillar D2 #5J1113 Diesel Engine Assembly Ep.29: Injection Pump Disassembly & Problems..." Feb 24, 2020
I love your passion for keeping the old iron alive. The fellas that worked on that stuff and know it well are getting tough to find. Keep on doing good things sir!! Its great fun to watch.
When I was a tractor driver at Caterpillar East Peoria building LL in the 1970's we built a batch of artic equipped D-9's for the trans -Siberian pipeline that the USSR was building and they were all equipped with pony motors that were almost identical except the pony's had electric starting motors and the bendix engagement lever was moved into the artic insulated cab. The bendix is designed so you have to hold it in like some of the old cars that had a mechanical starter pedal.
I've no doubt that you can get this diesel engine to get back up again. I hope you and yours had a Merry Christmas!
Its what my dad and others of his era worked with. Some still are on the islands in alaska where the government dropped them and we tried successfully to start. The machine itself had problems with frictions on the finals but it did move and then left after we were through playing with it at Thorne Bay, Prince of Wales Alaska. That was back in the seventies. One other was at a mine above marblemount washington.. at a mine called the silver queen mine. The pony motor started with a crank handle between the blade an radiator. It kicked back and broke my cousins arm four weeks I think before he went into the marines. I really hope it barks to life for you Jonathan. I know a persons hopes shouldn't be too high after so long but I feel like it should go.
Those pony motor starting systems are so neat
We all know you will get it running 👍👍👍
Good update and the pony motor is running. Hopefully you get the injectors straight so the motor runs. Thanks for the video.
Friend of mine got an old D6 from the late 40s that hadn't run for many years. Problem he had was the plungers in the injector pump we're stuck in the up position. Just had to spray them down good and give them a little gentle persuasion to get them to drop back down against the cam. The gears on the plungers were turning okay to meter the fuel so we don't pull them out and we made sure none of them became disengaged from the rack while we were working on them. We were able to get them unstuck and pumping again. Reminded me of loosening stuck valves in an old inline flathead engine. I noticed some injector pumps have a dipstick in that long rectangular cover so you're sure there's oil in there for the cam and plungers.
Good info !
I know its totally different but that pony motor running sounded like my old lawnmower . Merry Christmas !
A lot less leaks than I expected. Lookin good
I was taught by an old time it is best you use a light film of grease on then older head gaskets so the head can shift in to place and for expansion. And soak them in water for a day or two
research, learn and come back to fix it. Keep going strong, best wishes for the new year from The Netherlands
In the UK we mostly had Gardner diesel engines and Rolls Royce diesels in old big stuff, to get sticky inline injector pumps to free off when they've been stood for years just rotate the pump cam till the plunger is 'off cam' and a few seconds with a small blowtorch on the housing would usually work best. Then just oil it all up. Best of luck 👍
Peaceful, Healthy, and prosperous 2022 Jonathan W.Those injectors need some love.
Thanks again JW. Happy Holidays to you and yours. To everyone for that matter.
Excellent :) I'm glad you were able to find a replacement head for that pony motor.
As always great video..thanks for sharing!
Looking good can't wait to see that one run
That motor is big, can't wait to hear that run. Hope you had a Merry Christmas and are planning on a Happy New Year.
A late Merry Christmas Jonathan!
Thank you Johnathon!
Thanks for sharing Awesome video.
Another great video before the end of the year! 🎉🎉🎉🎉👍👍🤘🏻🤘🏻
hi hope you had a great christmas thanks for your vids all year have a happy new year to all of you from myseif in the u.k
Goodness I'm sending this to my Son. One of his Navy Buddies gave him a 68 Mustang because they both got to know each other when they were working on new Motor in their Ship the USS Constillation. Texas 60.
There’s two little retaining springs that are supposed to hold the bendix in they are known to wear out quickly
A Christmas gift from JW. Wish we could give you something….
thanks for sharing and Merry Christmas with Happy New Year....
Merry Christmas, can’t wait to see the big one running.
The crank start looks brutal.
I got a '69 SA200 lincoln with the flathead F163 continental, i'm thinking it must be close to one of the last machines to have come with a hand crank to back up the electric start. this project just reminded me of that. btw, that old lincoln is still welding like a dream and making me $$$. fingers crossed. ;)
one of the greatest welders.
Yep it's a big engine alright , so far looks all fixable ,you can do it Jonathan with your know how should be a peice of cake , happy Xmas and a big thanks from England !
Belated..christmas.to.you✌
it's hard to beat old Indian head shellac, to please the crybabies, maybe we should call it, "native American head." it's not suitable for everything but it's been around for a very long time and it's pretty much my favorite. I like your idea using a drill to start that little engine, I used the same methods on those old Wisconsin's I had, I did have to make and adapter to fit the crank pins on the end of the shaft.
The circle of life!!! An electric motor to drive a gas engine to fire a diesel beast! Now we need to find something that the big ole diesel can power when it comes back to life.
@@rogergoodman8665 lol yep, we have to do what ever works. lol
Thank you for all your uploads sofar hope you have a very good christmas see you in the new year ✌👍
Good job Conservator. You saved another piece from going to a scrap yard.
I know you will get that big engine running. You always do.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Those old Caterpillar diesels with the pony motor are amazing. Best of luck with it.
Ok it's broken everywhere, That's not a problem. The three phase double inverter is busted, or something else that no one has ever heard of, not a problem, I'll just make a new one no big deal. Jonathan is the best.
Hope y'all had a Merry Christmas! ⛄❄️🤶🎄⛄
1 step closer to running
Can't wait to hear it run! Have a Happy New Year!
Merry Christmas Jonathan! to you and your family, thanks for the videos!!
Thats an old Girl isnt she..WOW..The pony motor sounds Good. For setting. Great Video as always. Look forward to Your videos. Thank You for sharing...
It nice to see you again. Thanks for the video 👍
Jonathan, with the greatest of respect !-- keep that thumb on the other side of the handle, with the 4 fingers. Kickback will break your thumb !! Don't ask how I know this. Love the hear that Pony neigh ! lol.
OUTSTANDING VIDEO!!
Excellent video Johnathan W :) also glad found new head for pony motor also sounds great and hopefully hear next videos on Desiel motor run and hear sounds too!
Those old cat injection pumps had a habit of the rack sticking if they set for long periods. It goes against everything I know, but I’ve seen numerous people get in there with a brass drift and a hammer and pound the rack back and forth till it free’d up. You’re obviously a intelligent man, so repair at your discretion, but the barrels need to rotate out of the no fuel position before they will pump. Keep on being you!
that's cool engine.
that crank looks like it can break your arm
if not doing it right.
Good morning Jonathan! Hope your family had a wonderful Christmas!, ready to enjoy more of your videos!
Awesome work as per usual. Saving history one engine at a time.
Nice, no battery charging between takes or worrying about burning up a starter!
never any doubt you will figure it out
I like that you are trying to save it!I enjoy every video squatch puts out ion catipillar.
Yes stay with it J.W, I think you may have it running.
You figger out how to free up those injector pumps, it's gonna be a runner! Al B.
Love these videos
This might be completely wrong, but I THINK I remember guys using copper paint (with ground-up copper) to coat gaskets before the copper spray became popular.
Excellent work as and always enjoy the videos that Cat is going to sound great and Merry Christmas
LET 'ER ROAR ...LOL...GOOD ONE, KEEP SAFE
*- I like these kinds of "get-started" videos, Jonathan. They somehow are more fun for me.*
I hope you and your family had a Merry Christmas. I am always amazed at your ability to get engines running. That pony motor sounds good. Can't wait to hear the big one come to life. Lots of Luck to you.
Wanting to hear that beast run. I would never figure it out how to make it run but I know Jonathan W. can Love watching and learning.
Thank you for a great informative video, I always enjoy watching analyze problems and finding solutions! Happy New Year to you and your Family!
Can’t wait to see it run
That" Indian head shellac" Permatex was the only thing i ever found would stop active gas tank leak with fuel coming out .
I put a screw in the hole coated area with indian head a few times fuel leak stopped.
Emergency temporary repair .
Great video
I have a D4 which doesn’t like to prime even with new filters and turning it over with pony. I’ve had to assist with pressurizing fuel tank and that does the trick. After it is primed it works fine. I’ve never worked on Cat injector pumps, have always worked even after 20 years. I think they are plunger type pumps. On Bosch plunger pump I’ve had plungers stuck in up position, you’ve probably checked if they are moving, just another suggestion.
Cat also made a D17000 from the same time period, that were used in generators, switcher locomotives where two engines were used and in bulldozers. The were massive V8 engines. There's some on CZcams that are running pony motor and all. I hope to see this one running!
Glad the pony motor worked out for you.
its going be intresting to see that big old engine running
Nice job.
never seen this type of setup.. that is soooooooooo cool.. i want the lil pony just to have hahhaha
I can't wait! Hurry! Thank you!!!
Happy new years Jonathan!
a recommendation with anything with a hand crank pull it from 9 oclock too noon it will save you from breaking your arm in case of a backfire
Maybe the oil-bath air-filter leaked into the carb? Regardless, it's looking like all the issues will be something you can wrangle and I'm sure you'll have the primary engine purring along soon as well!
There’s a guy in Oregon who is selling out his fathers old Caterpillar collection and parts collection. If ya need parts you should look him up.
Happy New Year, Jonathan, and looking of forward to a very prosperous new year ahead for you.
Outstanding work as usual .
👍👌👏 Well done again and as always. I'm eagerly looking forward to watch the next video.
Best regards, luck and health to all of you.
Jonathan I sure miss your regular uploads. Merry Christmas and a very happy new year.
Boom!
Heat that pump up with a heat gun or a small blowtorch until it is too hot to touch. Then apply some gentle taps with a peening hammer to the case, rotate the cam and wiggle the hell out of the rack. Those plungers will come loose eventually. They usually just stick in the upper position because of varnished fuel. They very seldom rust together if the pump hadn't been stored for a long time without the plumbing/injector lines.
NEVER try to pry the plungers down with a screwdriver or a pry bar!!!!!
They break very very easy!!
Love the steam engine videos although I have been looking forward to a new will it start.
Worked on one a few years ago and the D7 the injectors were a pain to bleed there are screws on them to bleed them they wouldn't bleed at the line till we bled the body's the one on the D7 was a square head on the back ish of each body ? I believe ? once we did that then line it was good, also you haven't lived till you have push started a 25,000lb bulldozer with a sticky clutch 🙀☠️
That brazing will be fine. It's a time-honored activity to braze up tractor blocks. Any # of Cats have been brazed - main and pony engines. Rolled it over in low for a while then change up to high gear - looks good. A common issue with the fuel is that the rack gets stuck and / or the injector plungers get stuck up. Don't be tempted to tap the rack - instead gently work each plunger up and down until they free. The risk of tapping the rack is that the plungers lose their setting and Cat does not publish any information on how to recalibrate them
Happy New Year Jonathan
be sure there is always fresh oil in the pony motor.. they are not pressure lubed.. if the gasoline gets diluted from the main engine running and the fuel is still in the pony motor carb.. it will dilute the pony motor oil and destroy the bearings.. perhaps the block and crank journals.. the normal procedure is with the main engine running. shut off the fuel to the pony motor.. let it run out of gas so no fuel dilution in the pony motor oil can happen.
you may want to watch the video with this title.. Caterpillar D2 #5J1113 Diesel Engine Assembly Ep.31: Injection Pump Assembly & Setting The Fuel Rack
or episode 30.. where he might get into the injector bodies..
you will also want to watch this video
1937 CATERPILLAR DR7 DIESEL TRACTOR PROMOTIONAL FILM CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT 97664 about 5 minutes in it describes the inner workings of the same style injection pump the D13000 has except its for a 4 cylinder not a six... you will have to google search the titles to find them..