Why Did Disney Ignore Tomorrowland at D23? SHOCKING THEORY!
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Disney Horizons Episode 01 - What Tomorrowland At Disneyland Got Ignored At D23
Many Disney fans, including myself, were disappointed that Tomorrowland was once again left out of the big announcements at D23. In this video, I explore why Disney might be ignoring this iconic land and what it means for Walt Disney’s original vision. Join me as we dive into the reasons behind the silence and discuss the future of Tomorrowland at Disneyland.
Congrats on 50K, Brickey! We were supposed to get the DL Tomorrowland plan at last weekend’s event, I am quite sure. According to my folks, it was stopped by one Mr. Robert A Iger. For better or worse, that I don’t know. Given the Cars thing at MK was done at his insistence, I’m going to guess worse! -Brayden
Love seeing colleagues and creatives appreciate each other. Respect to you both.
I heard rumor that it was to be announced too. Maybe just wishful thinking.
Thanks, Brayden! I have been attending D23s since 2017. Each year, I show up in hopes of Tomorrowland getting acknowledged, but it never happens. I trust your reporting. You have a higher success rate than anyone else, so you obviously know some folks; your news warms my heart, and it was at least close this time. Thanks for the insight. Hope to bump into you again soon in WDW
Brayden is a top-tier Disney CZcamsr. I don't think I have missed a video in at least five or six years!
@mickeyviews 70th announcement, but I don't think people should set their expectations high. The land is far too popular, too much food and merch sales (still highest volume for young boys). Consistently longest Churro, Popcorn, and Pretzel lines.
I think the imagineers are waiting to see how Tokyo Disneyland’s Tomorrowland comes out and how it’s received.
What is Tokyo doing with it?
@@LJC123 they are tearing it down and rebuilding it starting with space mountain, which is already under construction behind the existing space mountain, which just closed.
@@LJC123 Not just the brand new Space Mountain, but we've been updating our🇯🇵 Tomorrowland on a major scale since the Star Jets were taken down to build the Bay Max's Happy Ride alongside the Big Pop back in the late 2010's. In addition to the impending Supeman (how we Japanese call Space Mountain), the O.L.C. is updating/redesigning Astro Blaster by taking it down and building a world's first Wreck it Ralph ride, which will be completed in 2026 or 27.
If they wait any longer it will be a second frontier land
😂 hall of fame comment
Don't you mean "Final Frontierland"?😅
Tomorrow's Frontier Land. Frontiers on other planets.
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One of the biggest problem with Tomorrowland is that right now there are very few positive visions of the future. When Tomorrowland started, every major corporation had an amazing vision of the future and right now most corporations can barely see past the next quarter.
I'm with you but even not so cynical... What would the vision of tomorrow be? I know that nostalgia has people wanting the kinetic motion, but is that a statement of tomorrow? Or is that just nostalgia? I think a real vision is needed. I also think that they'll build a new space mountain too so we're talking a few decades from now
Tell that to the Saudis with their Neom projects. There are plenty of positive visions, but Disney has to be willing to spend some money to turn them into reality.
It's just "tomorrow" comes faster than Disney can build things.
@@SpaceShotSuper excited to see what the new Space Mountain in Tokyo is going to look like. Can’t even wrap my head around how amazing it will almost certainly be.
Honestly, it's time to tear down Tomorrowland and build a new land that won't feel dated.
It baffles me that Disney is willing to add entire lands to parks, and gut entire areas to build new attractions, whilst intentionally neglecting reviving attractions whose bones are still dormant in Tomorrowland. Obviously, I don’t think the Disney Parks fandom (especially west coasters) can scream any louder that we want the Peoplemover to come back. The most frustrating thing is that the decision to revive the PM would be the biggest net positive change to make to the park. The least amount of construction and renovation with the BIGGEST return on investment. It’s an easy W, yet Disney is seemingly content with the skeleton of the dead attraction looming over Tomorrowland
You can scream all you want. This company doesn't give half a crap about its customers. They simply pander to the twitter crowd and influencers.
@@jasonwebb5964 if they pandered to influencers, then we would’ve have the peoplemover back years ago
I think that if Fantastic Four: First Steps is successful, Disney should take some cues from it and go all in on a retrofuturistic design that highlights the 60s optimism of the future, rather than basing it on our present visions of tomorrow. Such a design could essentially future-proof the land and give them an excuse to incorporate a potential Fantastic Four attraction seamlessly into the area, as well as other suitable IP like Big Hero 6 and Tron.
This was what I was thinking when watching the video. F4 movie basically seems to embody this retro tomorrow & might also play into a world’s fair theme, since they were scientists/astronauts
Agreed.
I love the retro idea. Others would too.
I was looking at Tomorrowland Terrace behind you. We loved parking our arses there at night and listening to the tunes while chomping a burger.
I miss the good old days when Tomorrowland was the place to be at night with live bands, the arcade and so much activity. If you’re right, I think it will be at least 10 years before we see the change.
BRING. BACK. HALYX.
Congrats on 50k Brickey! Seems like the channel is really hitting its stride. Keep up the grind bro
Thanks buddy
I heard from another CZcamsr (I forgot who) Kim Irvine has dropped hints that there are already plans for a revised Tomorrowland (although I'm sure there have been several proposals). I'm crossing my fingers that Disney will finally build this in time for opening on the 75th anniversary of Disneyland.
When I was a kid, one of my favorite rides was Adventure Thru Inner Space. I loved the drama about being shrunk into the size of a molecule as you floated by the microscope (and yes, I waved to the eyeball 😀). Thanks for another great video!
Mission to Mars was so cool
Sorry, I got my old Tomorrowland rides names mixed up -- it was Adventure Thru Inner Space. Thanks, Monsanto, LOL! 😀
I like your vision for Tomorrowland. It should be "a moment in time", something like Main Street USA. I also like it being an alternate reality thing, some sort of "For All Mankind", based on the landing on the moon, a fundational moment in history. At Eurodisney, they tried something diferent with Discoveryland, a sort of Jules Verne land, but the theming was lost with the inclusion of Star Tours, Captain Eo, Autopia, etc.
Once the parking garage on the Eastside is complete and DCA expands into the drop off zone it us rumored that Tomorrowland would expand as well. The parade and the Railroad have a hold on this section of the property as well as a few back of house buildings. "What if" the Railroad moved further South before heading West and the parade storage and buildings went under ground, that would free up space to expand or relocate Tomorrowland and thusly give more of the current Tomorrowland to Fantasyland or a new land.
On the topic of the Disneyland railroad moving, if you look at how close the Galaxy's Edge show buildings get to the city streets (separated by only a narrow backstage access/circulation road and treeline), that is likely what Disney will want in Tomorrowland some day (where Autopia is) when they bring modern, massive show buildings in.
The current train tracks are too far in from the property line and reduce the effective acreage, and running the tracks behind the buildings is "bad show" and disrupts the service access. So what may happen is the same thing they did for Galaxy's Edge in which they re-route the train tracks farther into the parks -- like literally a bridge running across the submarine lagoon (kind of like Tony Baxter's Discovery Bay vibes) and you get to the lands and attractions at the perimeter by passing under the tracks (like going into Toontown).
Where is the new parking garage supposed to
Go ?
I have so many fond memories of Tomorrowland in its heyday. Its current state makes me sad. Behind New Orleans Square, it’s my favorite land. It’s hard to explain to my kids what Tomorrowland was like when I was growing up. At night, there was no better place. I’d love to see a reboot of TL ‘67 with technology updates, but whatever happens, I just want it to get the love it deserves and return to a thing of beauty.
This. I worked in DL for 8 years, and went back a few months ago for the first time in 20. Tomorrowland just made me sad.
I can see a reworking of the whole area, doing a 'worlds fair' view of tomorrow, but they have got to gut the whole thing and start over, IMO. Something new and awesome that makes me forget what it was and be hopeful for what it will be.
Relying on a “vision of the future from the past” does solve the issue of the land eventually looking or feeling outdated, but I can’t help but feel that the true vision of Walt was to create a land that is optimistic and excited about the future, and celebrates what mankind’s innovation and hard work can accomplish.
With that, Offhand Disney put out a video a while back where he suggested using “solar punk” as a way to revamp Tomorrowland. Basically having sleek futuristic designs that incorporate lots of greenery and renewable energy, with an emphasis on conservation and sustainability as a vision of the future. I think he even suggested Wall-E as an IP that could fit well into such a land. I’ve always thought that would be such a cool approach and help keep the integrity of the land’s spirit, while still keeping it fresh for the next several decades.
Bob Iger loves making things IP based. Fantastic 4 comes out in a couple years with a retro futuristic 60s style. Combine that with the Stark Expo, and you have an easy conversion.
This is what I think too. But the Stark at the world’s fair would be Tony’s dad
Congratulations on surpassing 50k!!
So happy for you and grateful that you kept the dream going in 2024!
Many have said it and it’s true, you by far have the best Disney content. Your respect for the history, for Walt, unparalleled!
Thanks for all the amazing content!
Thanks!
Great video! First, Congrats on reaching 50k! What an accomplishment. In regards to Tomorrowland, I believe Disney will wait and see how well the new retheme of Tomorrowland in Tokyo Disneyland will do when it opensin 2027. If that updated version of Tomorrowland is a success, especially their new Space Mountain, I believe they will be a copy of that version here. Possibly in time for Disneylands 80th birthday in 2035.
Thanks!
The Disneyland story as the IP.. that’s a genius idea and really could work. A permanently retro-styled celebration of something that should truly be celebrated. And very meta indeed! Love it.
Another incredible video! I just finished your first Horizon video as well. I am so excited for a new Tomorrowland. I feel so much hope from listening to you! Keep up the positive vibes. The Magic is alive we just have to believe.
I have always thought of Tomorrowland as a World Fair. It was so much like the NY Fair with all those sponsors and their idea of the near future. I was at the NY Fair and the first years of Tomorrow land and even before the NY Fair.... house of the future, flying saucers etc. 😎
Love your channel and I love your idea. The merchandise I saw this summer for Tomorrowland was retro. Seems like a no brainer to me. They need to listen to their audience more.
I’ll tell you one thing: I love Brickey’s optimism…and that T-shirt.
That spear thing at the top of tomorow land??? DO NOT GET RID OF IT! I like the aestetic of it, it fits tomorow land
All I can say is..... DAMN IT!!!!! It needs help so bad. Walt would be sad and upset...😢
I love the idea of a retro future tomorrow land
It is surprising when big events like Tomorrowland don't make announcements as expected. It could mean they have something major in the works or are waiting for the right moment to reveal it. Sometimes, anticipation builds more excitement, and they might be aiming for a bigger impact with their announcement! ❤🚀
Another fascinating lecture Prof. Brickey. I’d like to take your ideas and add a slice of Marvel. The new Fantastic Four film is going to be in an alternate universe with a futuristic 60’s vibe. Kind of like the original Tomorrowland. I see a world where this esthetic becomes the basis for a renovation. Just a thought. Congratulations again on hitting 50K and I can’t wait for 100K. If you make killer content the followers will find you!!!
Thanks Jason!
As a long time citizen of Disneyland who lives out of state I have been trying to predict this stuff for years. Ever since the 90s returb. I think your right on the money with the holding on for a bit longer to blow minds. It just makes sense!
Another great video. In the recent skyway video, I really enjoyed the background behind the Skyway and it was really interesting how they integrated it with the Matterhorn.
disney doesn't care that tomorrowland sucks; they'd rather build more cruise ships
I remember how tomorrow land was in the early 1970’s mission to the moon, Adventure through inner space, circle vision, the beloved people mover. It was truly magical to a child’s eyes. I miss it!
What I don’t understand though is the infrastructure for rides is already there in Tomorrowland but they are instead going to have to start from scratch for these new lands. Updating Tomorrowland would be a quicker turn around and for less money
I liked the retro-Disneyland futurism they were exploring in the old Rocket Rods queue by displaying defunct ride vehicles painted to look like 3D blue prints.
It was like Tomorrowland was telling its own history of past optimism.
I’ll note that playing behind your description of “Disneyland as its own IP”, the Tomorrowland loop (in Disneyland!) was playing “If You Had Wings” from MK’s Tomorrowland …which kinda tracks with your thesis.
Great attention to detail
tomorrowland's future lies in its past. the blueprints have been gathering dust in the disney archives for decades. anyone who actually got to visit the 1967 tomorrowland (myself included) knows how beautiful and amazing it was back then. the kinetic energy was all around you in multiple levels.a rotating building,peoplemover trains,skyway gondolas,monorails,autopia cars,submarines,rocket jets. there wasn't anywhere you could look and not see movement. that's what's missing from tomorrowland today. it's stagnated beyond belief. i'm 63 years old. i first rode the peoplemover when i was 6,and my last ride was when i was in my 30s. will i have to wait until i'm 80 to ride it again (God willing i live that long)? forget about imagineering something new. just give us back what we had with updated technology,and let the future generations see and experience walt's vision of tomorrow the way he wanted it to be.
Love your idea of building up Tomorrowland itself as the IP. And I think Fantastic Four can complement that. Maybe you were hinting at that when you mentioned future IP.
A hopefully successful Marvel property inspired by Tomorrowland, with a presence in Tomorrowland will make the suits feel comfortable investing in a total land overhaul.
Great video as always!
i was totally thinking the same thing! ✨
Would love to see Wall-E break into the land in a Tron-Style attraction, but I’ve been saying that for 15 years now 😂 The new Monsters Inc coaster at WDW gives me hope that this IP can still find a place in the park
Judging by the amount of people in the background walking through all of the shots, Brickey has TomorrowLand to himself 😂
Maybe they will wait until they rebuild the Tokyo Disney Tomorrowland.
Tomorrowland is my favorite "land" in the park. It is sad to see it decline over the past decades. Hopefully, it will get the attention it deserves shortly after Tokyo is finished in a few years. With that being said, I wanted to say thanks, for not being another Disney vlogger that goes around the park, filming random crap. It's nice to get an intelligent view of the park and its possible future "visions" on what may happen. Keep up the good work!
It’s time to remodel Tomorrowland. Move Star Tours to Star Wars-land, keep Space Mountain , leave the subs and Autopia alone. and reconstruct the place.
Peter, "the clapping guy" energizes even Sorrowland.❤
Back in the late 80's and early 90's us teenagers ONLY hung out in Tomorrowland. We would go over to Fantasyland to dance at Videopolis but then head right back to Tomorrowland after fireworks. It was the ONLY place to hang out with Starcade, PeopleMover w/Tron, Space Mountain, Mission to Mars, America Sings, original Autopia, original Rockets, Adventure Thru Inner Space eventually Star Tours, CircleVision, Tomorrowland Terrance Dance Club with live music bands and DJ's, and of course Magic Eye Theater with Michael Jackson's CAPTAIN EO. What a great time as a kid!
Your answer is Fantastic 4... Assuming it's successful at the box office. The intellectual properties of Tron Legacy and the Tomorrowland film didn't quite make the numbers at the box office to justify any Tomorrowland additions.
Also have to remember that Disneyland has many international guests, not only locals regularly visiting the park. So you have to keep some recognisability to meet the expectations of those guests looking for the 'Disneyland' experience. Space Mountain is a perfect example... If I was travelling internationally I'd be excited to ride the original Space Mountain experience or even Hyperspace Mountain… But I'd be disappointed if it was the Ghost Galaxy Halloween overlay.
As a generation x growing up in the 1980s with the original Star Wars trilogy, tomorrow land was always my favorite. I can still remember riding space mountain over and over again. I always envisioned a type of Star Wars land but galaxy’s edge ruined that. Then I envisioned a Tomorrowland that looked like the fifth element. I never liked the mid century modern style. Now I think we should do a Tomorrowland based on Tron. I really miss the starcade and I think a recreation of Flynn’s arcade would be really cool. Buzz lightyear and pizza planet should be moved to DCA with the other Pixar properties. Star tours can be rethemed to almost anything. Autopia should have been rethemed to cars years ago and the submarine ride should be repurposed.
The best story that could be told in Tomorrowland could be Imagineering itself.
To me it is painfully obvious that they are waiting for the new Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain to age out of exclusivity period to redo the entirety of Tomorrowland including new space mountain.
A new peoplemover would be great /In a differnt track
Crushing it, Brickey Keep it up. Great collabs with OG55. Grats on 50k.
Love those dudes!
I I am time stamping this comment at 2:58. My thoughts about why tomorrowland is sorrow land is because they need to build up the capacity elsewhere in order to be able to totally utterly redo the land. The only thing that I am scratching my head about is why there were no big announcements at all for Disneyland. DCA got all of the glory they need it but also they have so many more attractions that can eat people in ways that Disneyland doesn't.
Attempting constructive criticism. I like your videos but sometimes they feel like they could be edited by 1/3 to feel less repetitive.
This video is broken down into 1) the Tomorrowland problem 2) Disney focusing on capacity through expansion 3) the Disney IP idea.
Breaking it down, 3 minutes are spent bagging on Tomorrowland, not just stating issues, but going negative (e.g. sorrowland, broken, half dead). I know it has problems and needs love, but the video tone feels like an overly negative vibe. That negativity continues to be sprinkled in throughout the video (e.g. rotting away, maybe the future dies at Disneyland, Disney ignoring fans) and contributes to the feeling of repetitiveness and hopelessness.
The discussion of prioritizing new capacity and DCA parity is good (3 min), but then the next 2 minutes goes back to the problems of Tomorrowland (makes it feel repetitive), how Disney has no plans for Tomorrowland, and how it will be over a decade before any updates are likely to occur.
The last 6 minutes are where you focus on the Disney IP idea, which is good, but there is a feeling that you are undercutting your own idea by going back to the ‘Disney has no plan’ talk. Just state your positive idea and don’t go negative or negate the blue sky idea by hedging.
So, what could have been a great video about room for improvement at Tomorrowland, why Tomorrowland is not currently a focus, and an idea for the future that could have left viewers hopeful, turned into a video that ignores the positives, tells us why things are not going to get better, and then describes an idea while implying that Disney will likely not do it.
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Why do you lock yourself up in these chains?
No one can change your park except for you
Don't ever let anyone ever ignore you
Just open your wallets and your mind
Mmm
Is it really fair to feel, this way inside?
Whoa-oh-oh
Someday, somebody's gonna make you want to
Find a bulldozer and say goodbye
Until then, baby, are you going to let 'em
Walk on by and make you cry?
Don't you know?
Don't you know, things can change?
Things will go your way
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YES!!!!
Brickey, I would gladly donate our ENTIRE Magic Kingdom, Rivers of America destruction, landfill budget and project money...and give it ALL to you for the purpose of renovating your Tomorrowland over there. I 100% believe that YOU need that money more than we do. We can save our Magic Kingdom river AND renovate your Tomorrowland at the same time! It's a win/win situation for BOTH of us!
Well, they did do "Saving Mr. Banks", which was fairly successful, although certainly not a blockbuster. That's Walt specific. Or maybe the Imagineers are going to break out the big guns and really go to town with something spectacularly robotic? Something forward of "Forward". Ah, I am worried that we won't know for a good while.
P'haps some alternate history? Oh, I know you were able to fit the Frozen land into one of the "Forward" parking lots, but that didn't get announced. Oh well, the info coming out of D23 was still cool. And so are your analyses.
Tomorrowland being used to represent the chronological history of the parks is a really interesting idea. You could say something poetic, like how the accomplishments of decades past are what lay the foundation for what’s yet to come. while the rest of the park evolves, Tomorrowland can be used to preserve the legacies of lands/attractions in an archive that guests can still interact with.
Used to be a must do land in my youth. Not so much anymore. Feels more like a ghost town. Much love and congrats Brickey on your success.
I've got to believe that once the new lands are built in the parking lots as part of the Disneyland Forward project, they'll attack Tomorrowland as they'll be able to maintain capacity park wide while Tomorrowland gets closed in whole for a few years.
One of my biggest disappointments for the revival of Tomorrowland, given how dependent Disney is on IP now, is that the movie Tomorrowland wasn't a huge hit to become a huge multi-film franchise. I heard at one point they were also planning a Tomorrowland anthology series on Disney+, I'd still love to see that. I am so glad that I got to experience Tomorrowland between 1967 and 1987 (when "Adventure Thru Inner Space" was still there) I absolutely loved it and I am thankful for the memories of that at least.
I would love to see Tomorrowland updated, and actually made a multi-level land. I dont know why Disney isn't building upwards towards the sky, but they should.
I think there’s a relatively simple explanation. With next year being the 70th they didn’t want to add more large scale park closures. So I believe that the next D23 will have big announcements in regards to tomorrowland once they’ve passed the 70th anniversary and can focus on refurbishment and reimagining areas of the park.
Hello Sir, they have no idea what they want to do with that area. Yes, I believe you have a good point. With today's tech, video walls, projector tech, there should always be new tech in there. Like a NES type area full time, you come in and come out to show what is out there, Space X type stuff. Great video
When I was a kid, Tomorrowland was pretty fascinating. I still remember the Adventure Through Inner Space ride, Mission to Mars, Captain EO, People Mover, Circle Vision, Skyway, & other things that were there. Even the old Mary Blair mural with the satellites. It was one of my favorite lands. However, Disneyland has pretty much neglected the area for years. They tried to revamp it in the later 90's, but it ended up looking kind of "cheesy". Stupid Rocket Rods idea ruined the People Mover track. I hope that Disney has a major revamp in mind 'cause that land needs to be reworked badly. 🧐
Here's the thing: Disney does have plans for Tomorrowland in the near future, however, it'll be during other things. Parts of Tomorrowland have to be shut down to restore and repair and reopen certain attractions.... for example, one slow attraction that operates overhead because they're going to bring 2 versions of it with the expansion.
A hello from Santa Monica! 😊
Tear out Tomorrowland and build Villainsland at this point
New subscriber here really liking the content. We have been to Orlando many times and I think your idea about Disney history is a good one. I've always wanted to make the cross country trip to Disneyland because of the history that is there. There are so many things that Disneyland has that Orlando doesn't and just being in Walt's park would be a thrill.
If they got rid of Autopia and Nemo, that is a lot of space to expand that land. I find the idea of going back to the 50s Jetson era honoring Walt is a very intriguing idea. I do believe they have some pretty big plans for that land, at least I'm hoping.
I heard when they explored changing those two attractions is astronomical simply by the demo alone
My wife refers to it as Yesterdayland, and nothing could be more true at this point. I think if Brayden said they were going to announce the Tomorrowland plan at D23, I'd venture to guess Iger is holding that in his backpocket to announce for the 70th to create some hype. If there's a way to put a couple grand down on that, I'll do it
Tomorrowland used to be the life of park!! Everyone wanted to be there up till after the end of rocket rods really…there was so much to do and so much fun!! I feel like this commitment they have made to make everything IP based is setting themselves up for failure, it also creates a conflict with the design and theme of the park and lands as a whole!!! The more pointless IP’s being added makes me less and less interested in going to the parks, everything I enjoy is gone, and the new designs and concepts with IP’s do not work as a whole…the parks are slowly imploding with bad decisions and with leaders struggling to hold on to their jobs and justifying their positions
The world needs more space themed attractions. Nothing is more optimistic than the potential of exploring the final frontier.
Feel like they want to wait until they’re ready for HWD land and the bus drop off/pick up area so they can do everything from HWD to Tomorrowland all at once
First it’s time to change its name. Like Disneyland Paris. We have reached our tomorrow to start calling it Discoveryland. Plus that name will match the lands connection for the Disneyland Hotel towers.
I’m visiting Disneyland next Tuesday, and because Space Mountain is closed for a month, I won’t even go into the land!! 🤷🏼♂️.
How are you able to shoot all the footage without anyone in it with you? Great work Brickey!!!
The issue with Tomorrowland is that it is the land that has received the most work (it's gone through 5 different massive refurbs and within 2-4 years, looks outdated). This is probably why they have decided not to focus on it at this time, especially with all the other projects they have going on. Hell, don't want to spend billions doing major renovations for the land only for it to again look outdated in 1-5 years.
I'm still sad that Disneyland Paris hasn't recieved any new attraction. The last real new attraction was Buzz Lightyear Laser Blast which opened in 2006. This is now 18 years without any new attraction which is kinda sad. I hope you will talk about this in a video soon.
GENIUS!!! Disneyland as an IP!!!🙌 That solves so many problems!!!
Brickey, this is an immensely intelligent and thoughtful theory of what they're planning. I appreciate your willingness to take these ideas and put them "on paper" so to speak.
I don't know, however, if the current leadership of Disney has that level of foresight, thought, and imagination to utilize Tomorrowland as its own meta story of Disneyland and Walt's vision. The current storytelling machine is so focused on conservative money making ideas and the parks seem to reflect that philosophy. D23, specifically the Horizons park session, didn't do much to alleviate that although I understand that their immediate response is necessary with Epic Universal next door.
I hope we'll be talking about this in 10-15 years in the ways you've described.
Thanks. I think you're pretty correct, too, with your breakdown.
Yay! It’s Hey Brickey! 😎🏰 Wow “Sorrowland” 😜 Nice!
Some suggestions for Tomorrowland: IPs wreck it Ralph, WALL-E, strange worlds, Tron. Food (because it's my least favorite spot in the park) turn Galactic Grill into an automat and Pizza Planet into a conveyor belt restaurant with robots that bring out drinks like some sushi bars
I liked the D23 announcements-especially the Walt Disney Opera house show, however, I too was disappointed in not hearing an announcement for a Tomorrowland re model. I wish they would revert Tomorrowland in using the mid century modern aesthetic that it once had in its heyday. When the land had moving objects decked out in primary colors. Along with flair from Mary’s Blair’s MCM artwork. The remodel should also include a form of the People Mover. It’s sad because Tomorrowland currently state looks like a dead mall.
Bricky I am in agrrement with you - Maybe go all in on Walt’s vision and 1967 “World on the move” Tomorrowland and update it new tech. Now I would like to see Tron put in (take the current DVC Lounge/Carousel building area, demo that, then build a whole new load station and wind it around Tomorrowland ala Peoplemover), but a fully restored 1967 version with the OG Peoplemover I think folks would get behind.
I can tell you this - I use to work with a guy who’s son is still a very well-regarded Imagineer in that they worked with some Imagineering Legends and did major work on some of the international Disney parks (He’s still fairly young - maybe 40) and he told me back about 2015 that they had “plans” but would not say more. I think the main problem is that there are so many options amongst Disney for this and they know darn well the “future” is not years away, but now there are major leaps by the month. So going “retro 1967” may be the right direction.
My first Disneyland visit was with my junior high class during May 1972 and Tomorrowland was my favorite at the time. The moon trip was still there! At first, few Disney IPs were in Tomorrowland but there were lots of corporate sponsor IPs in the place. Disneyland was supposed to employ marketing synergy. When was the last successful Disney science fiction IP? Where is the new "The Cat from Outer Space?" "Witch Mountain?" Oh, that's right--Avatar. Star Wars, Lilo and Stitch... Televison (Walt Disney Presents) would spur visiting parks, movies would spur visiting parks, take a piece of the park home. buy records, film clips, and book adaptations of the Disney movies, seek out Disney movies on television and in movie theaters... Even the Marketeers have lost the way. Now they're in bitter turf wars and no longer play well with others.
Even in 1972 it had become "yesterday land." Attractions would be closed, and nothing replaced them because tomorrow was only a few hours away. The Autopia is much nicer now than in 1972--and the Interstate was still new in 1972, not completed yet. The Apollo moon landings had made Rocket to the Moon obsolete.
Disneyland Paris fixed that with Discoveryland. Use science fiction visions of the future as the basis for Tomorrowland instead of today's projection of tomorrow--oops, midnight, it's tomorrow! As a showcase for industry's latest and greatest products, the turnover is too rapid for more than temporary exhibits. Using science fiction greats is more stable.
Another land sharing Tomorrowland's woes is Adventureland, called True Life Adventureland in the planning stages. Adventureland is wasting away--the Tiki Room and Jungle Boat Cruise and whatever they did to the treehouse are the attractions. It's not just Tomorrowland. Can I call New Orleans Square a ghost town because of Pirates of the Caribbean and the Haunted Mansion? Fantasyland started off with traffic flow issues that resembled rush-hour Los Angeles traffic, only on foot. Frontierland is going away because the old cowboy IPs are problematic now.
Forgotten is that Disneyland as a whole told a story--the story of Disney movie universes. Disney's California Adventure might have been more successful in Florida, or not--telling many stories when the original intent was to drain the swamp, not fight alligators. Scratch that--Disney's California Adventure was advertised as Walt's adventure in California. No simulated Smoke Tree Ranch? Got the movie aspect almost right. Why the Northern California-themed park? Was that commemorating the failed Mineral King project? The boardwalk amusement park portion of Disney's California Adventure could have been spun into experiencing California carnivals and amusement parks that inspired Disneyland.
Thanks for keeping me updated on the future as imagined in D23 this year.
Destroying old attractions and replacing them with new attractions does not increase park capacity, or guarantee more entertainment value.
Love the creative thinking and problem solving - we can only hope
WDI blew an easy opportunity (IMHO) to update Tomorrowland by reinvisioning this space as the new Start Wars land. Sure, It wouldn't be the same as it is now, but they could have incorporated Star Tours and we wouldn't be having this conversation about the current decay in this corner of the park.
Seems like they really only want to discuss projects that were a sure thing for this year. They may have some plans brewing for Tomorrowland but they're more uncertain right now.
Considering the amount of work being done in DCA and the new expansions ahead for Disneyland Forward. I see new lands being the priority. Disney wants to utilize all the new acquired land now with new worlds (first) because Tomorrowland is “good enough for now”. I imagine they want the Tron IP to grow more in popularity with the new upcoming film and if it’s successful enough I can see it easily taking over for Tomorrowland. If I were to make a prediction for (Best Case Scenario) on breaking ground for new construction/remodeling/etc. it would be the year 2027/2028 or 2029-31 with Tomorrowland finally being something truly impressive!
Hey Brickey, Love your videos!
Congrats on 50K!
I agree, I think that is the direction things are going and retro Tomorrowland would be the best option.
On a separate note, where’s your hat from Brickey? 😊
Tomorrowland makeover is a massive project that I’m sure will take significant capital and time. We have the Olympics coming in 2028 and World Cup in 2026. A Tomorrowland redo or makeover isn’t a 4 year project. It would make sense to work on DCA expansion first so they have many places to redirect traffic.
Agree with your theories. Once they finish more of DL Forward and add capacity, build the Harbor bridge, they can wipe out more of the Harbor bus entrance and actually have space to format and rethink Tomorrowland. By then, they can apply what is hopefully a success in the Tokyo overhaul. I'm glad and hope they don't start doing little little fixes. A big overhaul we wait for is probably better than band-aids. It can be better that they hold back for the big overhaul. They can't take down such a big area of Tomorrowland without new spaces done in DL Forward to absorb such a big overhaul of the whole land.
Glad I'm not alone!! Poor Tomorrowland..hopefully something for the 70th will be announced.
YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!
Yes, I know that I miss the Halloween overlay ride: Space Mountain: Ghost Galaxy here at Disneyland, but I have a new idea for the Space Mountain at the Magic Kingdom. Since they put the Christmas overlay during the Mickey's Very Mery Christmas Party, so during the Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween, I want them to do as what they did not change like I did a long time ago: the Halloween overlay of the Space Mountain: Ghost Galaxy attraction for the legacy of two versions in California and Hong Kong.
I’m curious to see Tomorrowland eventually change. Hopefully they’re keeping the cards close! Yeah I agree that we may not see anything in 10-15 years. Thanks Brickey for keeping the conversation going!
I don’t think they care about Walt’s legacy. At least not as much as the stock price and severance packages. They are fully corporate. The creativity at Disney has taken a dive the last decade. It’s not the same and not for the better.
Feels like Magic Kingdoms Rivers of America and Disneylands Tomorrowland have a lot on common, based upon lack of upkeep that you mention in both videos
In a nutshell, Tomorrowland is more expensive and complicated than anyone wants to admit. They tried to develop an IP that would be financially worth the redo (the Tomorrowland movie), but it flopped. So now they’re stuck in limbo. They chose to put Marvel and Star Wars elsewhere, which should tell us everything we need to know about the financial and logistical viability of redoing the land.
Marvel in particular would have been a perfect fit theme-wise. The whole Stark/Wakanda/etc inventor and futuristic technology thing, mixed with space adventures and whatnot, would have been perfect for Tomorrowland. This was also at the height of Marvel’s success, with the Avengers Infinity Saga raking in billions as a cultural phenomenon. It would have easily paid for the Tomorrowland project in merch sales and whatnot, and the public’s love for Marvel would have smoothed over any hard feelings about redoing Tomorrowland. But they chose to build Star Wars in Disneyland and Marvel in DCA, which tells you that for some reason Tomorrowland is more complicated and expensive than they’re open to telling us.
My pipe dream would be some scenic suspended walkways in Disneyland’s Tomorrowland. Kind of like what they have around both TRON rides. And maybe add some futuristic gardening inspired by Living With the Land. 😅 I love futuristic space stuff and it kills me that Tomorrowland looks so boring right now.
2026 D23 is the year for TL Brickey my boy!
You think? It seems like they have a lot of shit on their plate to be ready to talk about it in two years. They have ignored it for so long what's another decade.