On blindfighters being a pain to use early, i forgot to mention that blind lords arent even priests to bless them. What a pita. Edit1: The Minigame charts will have their own videos released on Fridays going forward! Should give me enough time to work on a second or third national overview for other nations... Hopefully. Edit2: It looks like a ton of the things I edited lost some of their timings after I uploaded. I don't think I'll be able to fix that without re-uploading the video. Oopsie. I'll fix it for future national overviews.
I'm still dying of nervousness over them. If you do, let me know what you find! I didn't get to the lategame here because I subbed out, but I'm sure you will do it! And kick butt while there.
This is a gem of a nation overview. Like the LA Pythium one, there isn't any overview of those really weird nations. Thank you for this new video, Zan, really appreciate yours.
Thank you! I appreciate it. I'll try to get more out, although I may dip into more common nations soon. On deck is LA Caelum and MA Phlegra. After that...not sure.
This is one of the better national overviews I've seen! The ending graphics are really nice compared to just the bog standard dom5 images and talking. Great job.
Wow Zan, this was a great national overview! I love the presentation, both what you said and the new dominions styled info boxes. Glad you decided to keep with dominions despite the bad experience in some games with other players. I feel that there is some potential for a kinda meme bless with the blindfighters, like cold aura fire shield, FS res, P res. Or you could just do the standard omnires bless with magic weapons and blood surge. I love sacreds, and generally want to lean into using them as much as possible... The good thing about the omni res is also that you get some much needed path diversity (which I also hope that they change in dom6 whenever that comes out).
Thanks for the vid! I hope I get to play my first tournament game before dom6 comes out. You and other content creators made me excited about this game
Having Earth and Fire on the alchemist is nice small bonus because he can do both sets of spells to convert gems to gold. Maybe you can give the hero second life items if you get a hold of them.
@@ZanGames I've never tried it for the strategic map, but I'd prefer it working there. Generally if something dies once in combat, it'll happily die again most of the time.
You know what? I'm surprised too, because i love green lions! Being able to natively make them is definitely a national feature. With LA gems it might compete with boosters & mecury barrels, but lions rock!
I haven't played LA Agartha much but have played EA/MA. Lack of strategic mobility is probably Agartha's biggest drawback. One point: Agartha can be an elf nation. Umbrals are stealthy and mapmove 20, but you lack a stealthy commander. There's two options: 1.) Shademail, which Agartha can always make, or 2.) Divine Name / Gift of Reason cast by your pretender (they are not inanimate/mindless). An Umbral with just Armor of Knights is pretty tough, and can be thugged out as needed. Or an Oracle can lead a group of Umbrals and cast Marble Warriors and then that's perfectly capable of running over most reasonable anti-raiding defense (other than Mind Hunt, but again, you have Shademail, so who's to say there isn't an astral mage hiding there). Fast Umbral groups are also usually good for counter-raiding, as stealth helps mapmove too.
You can always do a black servant with a "rod of the leper king". 5D for the servant 5/3D for the wand. It diseases the bearer and gives them 50 undead leadership. Luckily black servant is already undead :P
You could also just do an Amulet of the Dead on a black servant to lead up to 5 Umbrals; you probably don't want to commit more than that without mage support anyway.
Great video - always love hearing your analysis of nations! I wonder if having cold aura on Blind Fighters would be worthwhile (which does give some cold resistance I believe) - since their encumbrance means they're often going to be standing still, they might as well be fatiguing out everything else, and it won't affect your skeleton hoards. Of course, it's incarnate and later your summoned undead will do enough cold aura-ing later on, so may not be worth the points.
Actually, Ragatokk, another viewer, chatted with me after the pretender design video about cold aura. It made so much sense! I think you're both on the right track.
I feel like honestly what LA Agartha could be changed to is having a lot of the units given spears instead of baby length swords. With something else like formation fighter it could really make a lot of the mundane troops of Agartha really scary to fight and give attack density to them. Since Agarthans live in caves with all sorts of shit like cave drakes, and many places are cramped underground, why would they have short swords?
Short swords being primarily stabbing weapons make sense. Pike formations do sound like a good idea. Spears thematically make a helluva lot of sense. A phalanx in a tunnel sounds great. Mechanically in dom5, by the late age a 13 dmg spear strike might be on the weaker end.
+ @ZanGames Thematically it makes 0 sense. If you've ever been underground, you know, that shit be tight. When shit be tight, there's not enough space to use a spear. Also, in a cave/tunnel you often crawl instead of walk, you need the ability to leave your hands empty when needed and still have your weapon close-by. Yes there probably are some caves and tunnels that are at least two man-heights, but Agartha not having spears for "the little 'uns" makes absolute sense and is more a statement about how the underground looks more than anything. It probably doesn't look like London tube. What makes much more sense is the ringmail. If they have a comparative abundance of anything it must be iron/steel. The leather PJs never made sense for esp. LA Agartha.
@@Washeek I have not actually been underground. Barely up hills as it's completely flat and swamp where I'm at. I appreciate the insight, it makes a lot of sense!
One issue with Agartha using spears is all they have is metal and stone to work with. Your talking about a spear thats probably over 30 pounds or even more.
Hello @zan i came in your cave Here from lucid tactics an i am Happy you speak over agartha 😁 my First Love in Dom 😂 ( yeah my english is not perfect 😅 ) Its a great video 🔥 So.. i think i look a little at your channel ^^
I’d been having problems with my sleep medication for weeks but this video along with many of your other hits has potentially saved me thousands in medical bills. Thanks.
Thanks for choosing my videos to do that! I often do the same either with other dom5 videos or critical role. Forget melatonin, youtube is the way to go!
@Zan i think for Dom6 it would be really cool if agartha got their own national undead, like the jotens or Gath - soulless pale ones, undead humans in heavy armor, would be pretty cool
@@ZanGames Only once in a blitz that ended before it could be finished. It worked well, but I'm guessing that's because nobody expected a stealth attack. I don't think it would have gone as good if I had the chance to attack somebody else.
Thats great! What did you think of the information I gave compared to your experiences? I only really played the Early Game, and not the late game. So I'm missing some critical practical experience you may have. On blindfighters with 2h weapons... I'm not sure. I feel they'd die to crossbows? Or have anti-synergy with your own. I don't think the draft where I talked about it made it into this video, but at one point I thought it would be a huge relief to blind fighters to make them a new weapon. A magical one handed sword with a little higher damage. Lorewise you can say its a broken off shard of the sepulchral or shard wight halberds. On that note, why are shard wights not sacred? The lore literally says pale one mummies are worshipped :(
@@ZanGames for one i dont support the idea of making a bless for blindfighters, deciding such important things like pretender chassis and paths just to get fancy entrance guard to the field is wasteful. I prefer a dormant risen oracle with reforming flesh and f&s res, gives you a way to defend against foul vapour early on, turns your sepulchers omniresist and gives them regen, makes sc'ing with tomb oracles much more practial, all thoee three units are basically the same chassis so get a lot of value out of your bless On blindfighter 2h it would give you a way to punch through the ubiqitous heavy armor in la, with 10 enc in a few turns youll lose any defence bonus you get from the shield anyways. And if a fee of them die to xbows its an acceptable loss, and if enemy has brought so many that they die before you get value out of them you need to bring more of your xbows to fire at enemy archers, i dont think the weapon should be mw though And yeah i really dont get why the wights arent sacred, some nations in the game, like eriu, feel like illwinter didnt apply themselves fully during its implementation
@@TheArmored123 Thats very fair. The dormant titan approach is definitely viable for this nation, but you improve on it by actually synergizing it with the lategame sacreds! Well done. Eriu needs help. Giving the Sidhe units the same equipment, or at least the same spear, as the Tuatha is a good start.
I've just gotten into this game and have been having fun with LA agartha. I just build a wall of heavy infantry backed by heavy crossbows and cave knights. Light infantry just seem to die. The knights and infantry seem to get most of the kills. Crossbows cant shoot straight but they don't die easy in archer duels.
I'm not going to lie I like the feel of them. The idea of humans adapted to live underground is just interesting to me. They fight like a classic shieldwall. Nice review by the way. @@ZanGames
"The little thing of dominions". Why old age on Abysia? Why blindfighters are magic beings? Why Uruk and Jomon mages have so low moral? Why LA Sauromancers are old age? Why MA Ctis units have too few poison resistance? Why evil blood hunting demonic nations like hinnom has to be played with perfect scales?
On blindfighters being a pain to use early, i forgot to mention that blind lords arent even priests to bless them. What a pita.
Edit1: The Minigame charts will have their own videos released on Fridays going forward! Should give me enough time to work on a second or third national overview for other nations... Hopefully.
Edit2: It looks like a ton of the things I edited lost some of their timings after I uploaded. I don't think I'll be able to fix that without re-uploading the video. Oopsie.
I'll fix it for future national overviews.
Didn't notice animation timings being off, so it wasn't too obvious. Also, those minigame charts look cool - looking forward to those videos!
@@danielsaper8264 Sweet, thank you! I was/am super nervous about all the presentation and animations.
Blindfighters are basically useless for just this reason.
Those are some high production values. Loved the video - you have me wanting to play agartha!
I'm still dying of nervousness over them. If you do, let me know what you find! I didn't get to the lategame here because I subbed out, but I'm sure you will do it! And kick butt while there.
Hey lucid 👋😁 i Hope you Play agartha ^^ i really need to See you Play this Nation 😁😂 in best Case... All 3 timelines 😅🤣
This is a gem of a nation overview. Like the LA Pythium one, there isn't any overview of those really weird nations.
Thank you for this new video, Zan, really appreciate yours.
Thank you! I appreciate it. I'll try to get more out, although I may dip into more common nations soon. On deck is LA Caelum and MA Phlegra. After that...not sure.
@@ZanGames Ty, but don't force yourself to show uncommon nations. Your perspective is interesting even on nations like Jotunheim or Fomoria.
@@bobbob9796 dont worry, you'd have to force me to play the common ones haha.
This is one of the better national overviews I've seen! The ending graphics are really nice compared to just the bog standard dom5 images and talking. Great job.
Thank you! Its a lot of work, but its fun doing it.
Wow Zan, this was a great national overview! I love the presentation, both what you said and the new dominions styled info boxes. Glad you decided to keep with dominions despite the bad experience in some games with other players.
I feel that there is some potential for a kinda meme bless with the blindfighters, like cold aura fire shield, FS res, P res. Or you could just do the standard omnires bless with magic weapons and blood surge. I love sacreds, and generally want to lean into using them as much as possible... The good thing about the omni res is also that you get some much needed path diversity (which I also hope that they change in dom6 whenever that comes out).
Thank you so much for that! A lot of people have talked to me about cold aura, I think it would actually work very well!
That's an amazing video. Playing a LA Agartha SP game right now.
How did the SP game go?
Thanks for the vid! I hope I get to play my first tournament game before dom6 comes out. You and other content creators made me excited about this game
Its almost out! Hope you kick butt, have fun, and learn a ton!
Having Earth and Fire on the alchemist is nice small bonus because he can do both sets of spells to convert gems to gold.
Maybe you can give the hero second life items if you get a hold of them.
Do those work when dying on the strategic map? I'll be honest I've never used them.
@@ZanGames I've never tried it for the strategic map, but I'd prefer it working there. Generally if something dies once in combat, it'll happily die again most of the time.
I am surprised you didn't bring up the potential of green lions here as they can do them quite well. But very well put together. Impressive stuff.
You know what? I'm surprised too, because i love green lions!
Being able to natively make them is definitely a national feature.
With LA gems it might compete with boosters & mecury barrels, but lions rock!
I haven't played LA Agartha much but have played EA/MA. Lack of strategic mobility is probably Agartha's biggest drawback. One point: Agartha can be an elf nation. Umbrals are stealthy and mapmove 20, but you lack a stealthy commander. There's two options: 1.) Shademail, which Agartha can always make, or 2.) Divine Name / Gift of Reason cast by your pretender (they are not inanimate/mindless). An Umbral with just Armor of Knights is pretty tough, and can be thugged out as needed. Or an Oracle can lead a group of Umbrals and cast Marble Warriors and then that's perfectly capable of running over most reasonable anti-raiding defense (other than Mind Hunt, but again, you have Shademail, so who's to say there isn't an astral mage hiding there). Fast Umbral groups are also usually good for counter-raiding, as stealth helps mapmove too.
You can always do a black servant with a "rod of the leper king". 5D for the servant 5/3D for the wand. It diseases the bearer and gives them 50 undead leadership. Luckily black servant is already undead :P
You could also just do an Amulet of the Dead on a black servant to lead up to 5 Umbrals; you probably don't want to commit more than that without mage support anyway.
This is great! There was very little Dom5 content on this version of Agartha, I only see from Dom4.
Sy or Saquenay's right? I was trying to watch that stuff in prep for this game, but its so wildly different.
Great video - always love hearing your analysis of nations!
I wonder if having cold aura on Blind Fighters would be worthwhile (which does give some cold resistance I believe) - since their encumbrance means they're often going to be standing still, they might as well be fatiguing out everything else, and it won't affect your skeleton hoards. Of course, it's incarnate and later your summoned undead will do enough cold aura-ing later on, so may not be worth the points.
Actually, Ragatokk, another viewer, chatted with me after the pretender design video about cold aura. It made so much sense! I think you're both on the right track.
I'd love to see you do this for LA Agartha in Dominions 6.
I feel like honestly what LA Agartha could be changed to is having a lot of the units given spears instead of baby length swords. With something else like formation fighter it could really make a lot of the mundane troops of Agartha really scary to fight and give attack density to them. Since Agarthans live in caves with all sorts of shit like cave drakes, and many places are cramped underground, why would they have short swords?
Short swords being primarily stabbing weapons make sense. Pike formations do sound like a good idea. Spears thematically make a helluva lot of sense. A phalanx in a tunnel sounds great. Mechanically in dom5, by the late age a 13 dmg spear strike might be on the weaker end.
+ @ZanGames Thematically it makes 0 sense.
If you've ever been underground, you know, that shit be tight. When shit be tight, there's not enough space to use a spear. Also, in a cave/tunnel you often crawl instead of walk, you need the ability to leave your hands empty when needed and still have your weapon close-by.
Yes there probably are some caves and tunnels that are at least two man-heights, but Agartha not having spears for "the little 'uns" makes absolute sense and is more a statement about how the underground looks more than anything. It probably doesn't look like London tube.
What makes much more sense is the ringmail. If they have a comparative abundance of anything it must be iron/steel. The leather PJs never made sense for esp. LA Agartha.
@@Washeek I have not actually been underground. Barely up hills as it's completely flat and swamp where I'm at. I appreciate the insight, it makes a lot of sense!
@@ZanGames
Uh yeah uh no problem...
Man that's a really nice answer on what seems like it was just a snarky comment from me.
One issue with Agartha using spears is all they have is metal and stone to work with. Your talking about a spear thats probably over 30 pounds or even more.
Hello @zan i came in your cave Here from lucid tactics an i am Happy you speak over agartha 😁 my First Love in Dom 😂 ( yeah my english is not perfect 😅 )
Its a great video 🔥
So.. i think i look a little at your channel ^^
Welcome aboard!
I’d been having problems with my sleep medication for weeks but this video along with many of your other hits has potentially saved me thousands in medical bills. Thanks.
Thanks for choosing my videos to do that! I often do the same either with other dom5 videos or critical role. Forget melatonin, youtube is the way to go!
So good, god I wanna play la agartha now
somehow I forgot that this was gonna be a short playthrough very shortly into it so I went "its over already" and then went oh right yeah
Yep! Still learned a lot and felt good testing that early game hypothesis!
@Zan i think for Dom6 it would be really cool if agartha got their own national undead, like the jotens or Gath - soulless pale ones, undead humans in heavy armor, would be pretty cool
That would definitely help them out! Undead Agarthan's would probably have some pretty neat stats!
LA Agartha is about industrially producing Umbrals for unexpected Agarthelfing. You get one per spell in EA and I think three in LA.
Umbrals are fantastic. Have you tried them before in a game? How did it go?
@@ZanGames Only once in a blitz that ended before it could be finished. It worked well, but I'm guessing that's because nobody expected a stealth attack. I don't think it would have gone as good if I had the chance to attack somebody else.
this is the la nation ive had t he most playtime with sepulchrals are great, i wish blindfighters were using 2h weapons very much
Thats great! What did you think of the information I gave compared to your experiences?
I only really played the Early Game, and not the late game. So I'm missing some critical practical experience you may have.
On blindfighters with 2h weapons... I'm not sure. I feel they'd die to crossbows? Or have anti-synergy with your own.
I don't think the draft where I talked about it made it into this video, but at one point I thought it would be a huge relief to blind fighters to make them a new weapon.
A magical one handed sword with a little higher damage. Lorewise you can say its a broken off shard of the sepulchral or shard wight halberds.
On that note, why are shard wights not sacred? The lore literally says pale one mummies are worshipped :(
@@ZanGames for one i dont support the idea of making a bless for blindfighters, deciding such important things like pretender chassis and paths just to get fancy entrance guard to the field is wasteful. I prefer a dormant risen oracle with reforming flesh and f&s res, gives you a way to defend against foul vapour early on, turns your sepulchers omniresist and gives them regen, makes sc'ing with tomb oracles much more practial, all thoee three units are basically the same chassis so get a lot of value out of your bless
On blindfighter 2h it would give you a way to punch through the ubiqitous heavy armor in la, with 10 enc in a few turns youll lose any defence bonus you get from the shield anyways. And if a fee of them die to xbows its an acceptable loss, and if enemy has brought so many that they die before you get value out of them you need to bring more of your xbows to fire at enemy archers, i dont think the weapon should be mw though
And yeah i really dont get why the wights arent sacred, some nations in the game, like eriu, feel like illwinter didnt apply themselves fully during its implementation
@@TheArmored123 Thats very fair. The dormant titan approach is definitely viable for this nation, but you improve on it by actually synergizing it with the lategame sacreds! Well done.
Eriu needs help. Giving the Sidhe units the same equipment, or at least the same spear, as the Tuatha is a good start.
Servants of the Oracles can get +5 or +10 to their magic leadership from their random paths. Not bad for leading blindfighters even early game.
I've just gotten into this game and have been having fun with LA agartha. I just build a wall of heavy infantry backed by heavy crossbows and cave knights. Light infantry just seem to die. The knights and infantry seem to get most of the kills. Crossbows cant shoot straight but they don't die easy in archer duels.
LA Agartha is so much fun! I feel like they are going to be a powerhouse in Dominions 6!
I'm not going to lie I like the feel of them.
The idea of humans adapted to live underground is just interesting to me.
They fight like a classic shieldwall.
Nice review by the way. @@ZanGames
"The little thing of dominions".
Why old age on Abysia?
Why blindfighters are magic beings? Why Uruk and Jomon mages have so low moral?
Why LA Sauromancers are old age?
Why MA Ctis units have too few poison resistance?
Why evil blood hunting demonic nations like hinnom has to be played with perfect scales?
Well, Aby is live fast die hard. Like a candle, supposedly.
The rest... #illwinter