Forbidden Actions that are Illegal in War
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Far from the free-for-all many believe it to be, warfare is actually governed by extensive sets of rules agreed upon by the international community in order to limit the damage and suffering that inevitably follows a conflict.
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how can it be a crime if there no police to enforce it ( the league of nation failed seem like nato is soon )plus if you win it doesn t apply to you ( exemple bombing civilian target during ww2 ) feel to me like the pirate code (the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules BARBOSSA
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Remember everyone, it’s only a war crime if your side lost the war, if the winning side commits war crimes, it means that they “did what they had to do to win”
True
War is no sport.
@@animeXcaso Cope. What he says is true.
To some degree, it has to be like that. When an invader employs war crimes against defender, the defender feel required to fight on the most even ground they can. If invader employs war crimes in their strategy, the defender is at an unfair advantage if they continue to follow the rules.
@@jonasgawhich is why rules of war are bogus.
There are lives on the line, and they come before any "rules" for an already evil event.
You should remember that these rules do not apply for government attacking its own civilians
That's where Constitution that needs to be followed both by government and people steps in.
Depending on what's used in Constitution. It serves both as a means to preserve safety of civilians and/or government.
@@yeboxxxchannel2505 Yes, this piece of paper will save us because the other piece of paper won't. The Constitution, like any other set of rules, only matters if people are willing to follow it. If they aren't, it's useless.
@@SlurpeeBoy9999 ok you are right but at this point since it's true that barely anyone follows it.
Do we all just admit Demoracy is a joke if not forced by people?
I guess.
Not quite. There are certain limitations. "Grave Breaches." See Article 147 of the Geneva Convention relative to civilians.
Mandates have consequences.
Governments can’t last without the support of its people. While it would be hard to rise up against a powerful totalitarian government, human will always prevails… whether in one generation or more, we are capable of toppling them.
Fun fact: There is no nation on Earth that is known to have followed the rules of war they agreed to, but very few nations have ever been held accountable for war crimes.
India and Pakistan pretty much sticked to rules in war not bombed Civilians. But yes Pakistan Constantly voialate cease fire agreement
Cite your fun source
Does that mean you are indian ?
How is that a fun fact?
@@manubishe * ~Points outside~ *
Watching this has made me realize how many nations violate the laws of war.
Watching these comments makes me realize how many people are completely blind to the times the rules of war are followed. We will notice one bomb on a hospital, but not the hundred hospitals who did not get bombed
Pretty much every of them... Only defeated countries get held responsable.
Israel for instance will never be held accountable for anything.
@@JourneywithSmee where? At a Neurenberg style tribunal?
Hamas will not be held accountable there either
Syria and Hezbollah will not be held accountable there either
Iran and their ultimate peace philosophy will not be held accountable either
Thank you for mentioning only Israël
More like how many times they have shown me to my face that we do it
Remember: it's not a war crime if you don't let anyone live who tells you otherwise
how can it be a crime if there no police to enforce it ( the league of nation failed seem like nato is soon )plus if you win it doesn t apply to you ( exemple bombing civilian target during ww2 ) feel to me like the pirate code (the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules BARBOSSA
@jessicalacasse6205
Partisans are legal.
Change my mind.
@@jessicalacasse6205There is a police to enforce it… just as soon as they get to you. Also everyone bombed Civil targets in WW2 mostly to destroy enemy factories and military installations. Also they thought that bombing Civilians would make them less inclined to keep fighting, but that’s not how that works.
@@jessicalacasse6205why would nato decline?
Well their is the internet know
As a great CZcamsr says, " It's not a war crime the first time."
Thank you! I was looking for this. I need to get his t shirt
The Fat Electrician! Love that guy! Warheads on foreheads!
How come it is not so the first time?
Brilliance- abhorrent actions are generally not recognised as an action of organisation. Abhorrent practices amount to war crimes by virtue of administration. There are all kinds of 'rules' that delineate 'civility' in industrialized society. It's like if we're playing tag and you get pegged in the genitals by a player trying to escape. If it happens once, it's something the other players might tell you not to do again, they might even laugh about it. If everyone's realising it works then it's "out of the realm of playing tag" in terms of realistic expectations. Humans are usually indoctrinated and act like that indoctrination is advancement of or upon a feral state.
@@dsxa918You seem fun!
Fun fact: The United States is not a party to The Hague Conventions, which is why the International Criminal Court cannot prosecute war criminals based in the U.S.A.; the United States legislature even passed legislation that would result in a U.S. declaration of war on The Netherlands were any such charges brought forth.
And it still took them a year to allow us to send our F-16's to Ukraine. Chickens!
There is a hollow point 5.56 round. For those who are not aware the hollow point ammunitions do not pierce level 3 body plates or steel sheets used for indoor ranges. They are used in indoor ranges.
Funny how civilians can kill one another with hollow points, but the military can't.
The “rules of war” mostly exist on paper. On a battlefield where people are doing everything they can to kill each other, it becomes more like suggestions for most and it really boils down to an individual soldier’s sense of morality.
"The code is more like what you'd call guidelines than actual rules"
As Captain Barbossa said in pirates of the Caribbean “they’re more like guidelines”.
@@Casey757 yep guidelines for all to make the call rather to follow them or disregard them.
Yep, and then you end up hanged at le hague...
Plus some of these rules ironically cause more suffering by dragging out the conflict.
Being a combat vet myself, I can say, any "rules of war" are purely academic.
To make the officers feel better about themselves
You certainly do have rules of war. Unfortunately anyone on the front lines will never feel it's existence.
Rules of war both established and published, and the unspoken ones.
I'll second that.
No, the US is just the empire from star wars and is cartoonishly evil
19:30 oh i am a serious war criminal in every battlefield game to date
7:44 I like that top secret technology that is used on that bolt action rifle with the bayonet on it.
It cycles the bolt by itself, without the need for an operator. Amazing!
Lmao 😂
Hahaha you found the Easteregg
As a Norwegian-American, I find it incredible that I cannot legally perform the Blood Eagle on my enemy. It is for my Skål!
legally ;)
Well here we do it all the time son, sounds like you need to get back to ur roots
Should be a yearly family tradition
I don't know you,but you sure know how to party !
Go get fenrïr, we'll have some fun =)
I have a Norwegian Elkhound as a service dog...Best dog ever!!! ❤ 🐕
It's so nice of them to make a checklist of fun activities to do in the battlefield!
Bro 💀
It's even more exciting there is no "do not try this at home"
Hi Vladimir nice anonymous account
"I got my napalm merit badge yesterday!!"
Your Canadian aren't you? They are more like Geneva suggestions.
The problem with the laws of war is how easy it is to circumvent them. I remember footage of a journalist and his camera man as well as some people that tried to stop and help him because the gunner claimed the camera was a rocketlauncher.
I remember seeing that footage. That was the infamous “collateral murder” video that was leaked by Wikileaks. Apparently the gunner had no idea those guys were journalists and civilians and were basically on their side. He opened fire on all of them. Crazy stuff.
There is a photograph somewhere of an exchange of fire between a plane and someone in a parachute. The plane started firing at enemy pilots who bailed out after losing a dogfight. One of these pilots hanging from a parachute pulled out his pistol and killed the threat
As far as I know, there's only one recorded case fitting that description. I don't recall all the details, but I believe the paratrooper was a British airman in one of the World Wars (WWI, I think).
Remember:
"Its never a war crime the first time"
quackbang out
Putting warheads on foreheads
Remember: it is not a war crime if you had fun
Yeah I don't think so
It's not a war crime if you win
Brooo😂
S U P R I S E !!!
@@Lam6da98true
Having the rules of war being taught to you by Metal Gear's Big Boss really is something 👌
The narrator is not David Hayter, dude. What are you smoking?
Miles O'Brien : There are rules, even in a war.
Garak : Correction Chief, humans have rules in war. Rules that tend to make victory a little harder to achieve, in my opinion.
I’ll be honest one my three deployments first two as a medic, I found that enemies will freely fire on medical personnel. They did in El Salvador when was a peace keeper, and in Desert Storm. My M-113A3 ambulance got shot at multiple times. Then in the next Iraq war they bomb the crap out of our CRESH. They also blasted our ambulances and medevacs.
You were in the salvadoran civil war as a medic? When did you serve friend?
@@aspecticle8905 I was there as a peace keeper in 1989. With several other US units, but mainly the 16th MASH.
Well shoot back.
@@TomFromCZcams hard to do that when all they give you is a stupid little M-9. Pistol. They won’t let a medical track have a M-2 .50 cal as it an offensive weapon.
Not allowed
"War's tragedy is that it uses man's best to do man's worst." - Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Another thing illegal in war: Dropping a JDAM on a hospital.
Not illegal at all, nor did it happen
@@reptiles3244Keep telling yourself that
04:04 kinda hits different given recent news.
Remember kids: It's only a war crime for those who lost the war
True
War crimes are war crimes.
The defeater angst won't absolve you.
@@animeXcasoAbsolutely irrelevant.
Tell that to the German civilians burned alive at Dresden, German women and girls raped by Soviets in Berlin in 1945, the South Vietnamese civilians murdered by NVA forces ("But muh American war crimes muh Agent Orange reee!"), and the towns/cities burned by Union forces during the American Civil War.
@@andyfriederichsen None of those people were punished for their behavior. That's the point: if you win, you get away with it. Does that justify their actions? No, but that is also irrelevant.
I feel like the Rules of War are totally pointless since adversaries typically sink to each others level as soon as one starts using illegal tactics. The victor usually gets to shrug off the consequences and complain about their enemies conduct anyways.
They're not pointless. It makes breaking the rules a taboo each side breaks sparingly. The rules mean prisoners are taken alive and treated well 98% of the time rather than 2% of the time. They mean that medics are usually not targeted. That cluster ammo and mines are used only when desperate and necessary and not as the default.
how can it be a crime if there no police to enforce it ( the league of nation failed seem like nato is soon )plus if you win it doesn t apply to you ( exemple bombing civilian target during ww2 ) feel to me like the pirate code (the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules BARBOSSA
@@jessicalacasse6205 it's like speed limits. Most people don't follow them, police catch very few speeders. But the existence of speed limits do slow drivers down. If the limit is 30 you don't get many drivers going above 40, but if there wasn't limits you'd have drivers driving 40+ I'm sure
@@jessicalacasse6205the un is closer to the league nato is an alliance
the league of nations has nothing to do with NATO, NATO is a deffensive military pact with.
You do realize NATO outlived the warsaw pact right? You should cope whatever ia bothering you
8:00 Pretending to be wounded, then suicide bombing to kill the enemy medic? That's the funniest war crime I have ever seen! Very creative!
There's a video of a Russian doing almost exactly that in Ukraine.
Thanks for a wonderful checklist. Love from Japan
I think this is the first time I’ve seen Chris Kane speaking in front of the camera.
It was a real jump scare
I think we were all shocked the first time it happened
I did not enjoy that at all.
Rules in war is the biggest case of irony ever
"There's no mercy in war. It's a collision of powers." - Solo Wing Pixy
These rules primarily serve two purposes:
For winning nations to further punish and thus neuter those they defeat
For strong nations to eliminate the only real recourse lesser nations have, so that they either have to fight with hand tied behind their back or provide excuse for escalation of force.
7:43 Does anyone see the Japanese rifle randomly cycling even though its on the ground and the operator of the weapon is dead?
Keep in mind this all goes out the window when "total war" is a point reached in a conflict.
Someone who has paid attention to history!
And the only time people are punished is if they lose. Types of things just make me laugh. Not from joy but exasperation.
Nope Sherman was the codifier of total war and he follows the rules to the letter.
and idelogies like communisim will play the unrestrctited warfare doctrine to try and take down anyone who threatens them and then some.
7:43 That rifle is clearly a combatant
14:43 "slow down fast food"😂
So let me get this straight.
*Chemical Weapons: Banned*
*Biological Weapons: Banned*
*Nuclear Weapons: Allowed*
😎👍
😂
Nuclear weapons are de facto banned thanks to MAD.
With a nuc you have some time to get out of thr area before the fallout bio or chem you are at the mercy of the wind
A nuck normally are not use on combat bit as a prevention measure.
"Back in the day, when the emperor or the king waged war, they went to war too, but that's been lost in time" | Daron Malakian
They still do. If you look at royalty around the world, they typically have or are serving in the armed forces. When WW2 broke out, the (UK) King at the time wanted to go to the front lines along with then-Prime-Minister Churchill. They say they had to restrain them from grabbing a weapon and running right into the action.
Out of curiosity, for the child-soldier part, what would the "opponent" have to do in a situation where they're fighting a child soldier? In the animation, it showed a soldier hesitating to shoot the child and getting gunned down as a result. Are they _allowed_ to shoot to kill? Is it at all penalized to kill an enemy child soldier? What are they supposed to do in such a situation where their life is also on the line?
We humans are so cruel that we need to have "Balance patch notes" to war
11:42 Agent 47 doesn't care about laws as long as he get's the contract done.
The naval Articles of War were originally issued by the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty in 1653 as fighting instructions after defeat at the Battle of Dungeness. Soon after the Restoration, they were converted into an Act of Parliament.
All the "off limits" buildings are the single most targeted buildings. Crazy.
The thing about wars is that they are rarely 'to the bitter end'. Wars are often to serve a political purpose, and the fighting only goes as long as that purpose is fulfilled. Rules of war are to prevent wars from turning into fights of attrition and annihilation, aka to prevent wars from going too far past what they're meant for.
Normally Medics and Corpsmen carried M1 Carbines or 1911s as back up guns. This was due to the fact in the Pacific theatre Japanese soldiers often disregarded the rules of engagement in combat
and used the red cross as a meat shield to move troops against china and viewed medics as easy kills etc. aka turn the rules of war against your enemies to weaken them by morals etc.
Jap"anes" you act like they're human.
“Friendly fire will not be tolerated.”
This is such an awesome channel! Please keep it up and so happy to have found you!
And we see these rules being ignored even today
I love the hitman easter egg at 11:50
I would also like to point out that after these rules were established, they have been abused and used as methods of shielding by our enemies. Such as not wearing uniforms to appear as a civilain... or using civilian structures and densely populated areas as strongholds. Rarely are these codes of conduct extended to us by our enemies.
And the law dictates that those rules are then null and void. It only applies when the other side is also following it.
@@emberfist8347 yeah basically the rules are writen in a way to basically cover the fact that there are those who will try and use the rules of war against one side or another for propaganda reasons. in such case of this happening then it's fair game for the other side to prosecute any of those enemies taken alive for those crimes.
I know and I would wager that those who wrote the rules did cover that angle of non state actors trying to weaponize the rules of war against people to allow crimes to happen and bate people in to a propaganda trap. the signers of such must have to take that in to account and should have fail safes in place to punish those who play that tactic.
@@TheManofthecross Well if they don't make it a rule ASAP!!!!
hamas broke all rules, now will be wiped out.. including civilians...
"According to the Hague and Geneva Conventions, Nations are not allowed to attack civilian Infrastructures, public services, historical cultural monuments, religious buildings, and agricultural sectors."
Germany and Japan in WW2: 💀💀💀😈😈😈
Serbia in 1989 to 2005: 💀💀💀😈😈😈
Russia from 2022 up to this day: 💀💀💀😈😈😈
Yeah, you can’t use HE rounds on a person.
So, when that guy pops up with his AT, you’re aiming to destroy the weapon, which is EQUIPMENT, and you just have another “unfortunate accident” when you miss.
19:35 dude that SPAA really took it personally
*"Geneva Conventions? More like Geneva Suggestion"*
- Every War Criminals
Suggestion? More like a checklist.
definitely just suggestions that shall be ignored no one is gonna brag about rules in a real firefight it only makes you a easier target on a battlefield
Wehrmacht be like
Only law you should keep in mind during war: do whatever necessary to survive.
An old man came to me to make his last will. He proudly showed me a pocket watch he stole at gunpoint from a German POW in Europe during WWII. He instructed me to leave the watch to one of his children. Apparently it's a war crime to steal personal property from a captured combatant.
Clergyman: BRING OUT THE HOLY HAND GRENADE!
Buffy reference?
The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!😂
On Worms there was Holy grenade or bomb. Really loved to use it!
>make the concept of a war crime
>break every single rule
This is a fantastic overview!
18:06 Sahir, That is not a war crime, just a happy accident :)
*proceeds to blow up"
17:32 "Any weapon that is intended to cause permanent paralysis or injury is banned from warfare." Wouldn't that eliminate all but non-lethal weapons?
No because a lethal weapon is design to kill not permanently paralyze someone.
@@emberfist8347can you move If dead?
Thank you! This information is very helpful for when i start my war!
I just realized at 7:43 the rifle on the ground chambers another round by itself
"Rules are for children. This is war, and in war the only crime is to lose." -- Joe Abercrombie
He was right
Does that include the raping and torturing of women and children that the Japanese did in WW2?
@@allanshpeley4284 even is monstruous, yes, the only thing that keep from doing it is morality
@@allanshpeley4284yes because that's how it works
@@allanshpeley4284what war crimes did the japanese NOT do ?
As someone who has been looking into particularly gruesome battles lately, some of these "laws" seem to be broken more often than not!
Weird way of counting you have. For every hospital bombed, there are hundreds untouched
So interesting, Keep it up
All this action are done successfully by IDF and approved by USA
I love that at 7:44 the Arisaka reloads itself on the ground
good eye
Indeed, good eye.
thank you@@Scootero
thank you @@TiocfaidhArLa34
Just for anyone who is curious of the parachuting person, do not confuse the protections granted to aircrews/pilots to be the same for paratroopers.
If a pilot or airplane crew are shot down over enemy lines and they are parachuting down, they would technically be protected since their aircraft serves in place of what would be a soldiers "Rifle" Once the aircraft is shot down, the pilots lost their ability to threaten enemy fortifications or incoming enemy planes. (Unless of course they use their service weapons to shoot at ground targets as mentioned in the video, then they would ultimately revoke their protections.)
However, paratroopers do not qualify for this protection since they are being dropped down with full kit and gear with the intent of being on a mission to cause damage to the enemy.
Right before you were going to talk about civilian experiments a cardiac arrest ad popped up about how to use defibrillators
My dad told me that you don't shoot medics because they are bound by oath to help you as well.
“If your actions do not inspire fear and terror in the hearts of your adversary, then you have no business waging war.” Johnathan Irons
Now I gotta replay that Game and Ponder why we have to only use ballistic weaponry all because someone made a No cheating in War Rule named after the Capital of Switzerland and a location in the Netherlands.
"Like I said. Kids are cruel, Jack. And I'm very in touch with my inner child."
-Sundowner
@@BaxterAndLunala
"Making the mother of all omelets here Jack. Can't fret about every egg."
- Sun Tzu, probably
Finally you say something relatable to the video. There's hope!
@@kaibean8046 That's Confucius lol
1:20 Bro rly said "No u"
Rules of war: exist
Russia: hold my gulag
When it's total War, the Geneva convention seems more of a geneva Suggestion.
Nope. William T. Sherman did total war and didn’t commit any violations of either treaty.
13:18 Out of Context this is just hilarious. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great video. Your voice is incredible mate
Very good and important topic. What software tool are you using for creating these cartoonish animations?
Remember kids, war is an atrocity that civilians suffer.
00:25 Dude even paused for a second before he shot him... Evil
1:17
I love how that U.S. medic just wasn't having none of that.
Russia and Israel : imma pretend I didn't hear of such rules .
The MG-42 in that thumbnail is literally a 2D version of the MG-42 from Call of Duty World at War. Same exact first person model.
"War Crimes? More like Geneva Suggestions" Canada in the World Wars.
What did Canada do? I'm seriously asking.
@@wyattpeterson6286because Canadians in both world wars were some the best fighters in modern history, so it’s possible they committed war crimes like killing pows that surrendered
@@vaguelymodest6239 Is there a book about that?
@@wyattpeterson6286 Quite a few things in the World Wars, but most of them came from the First War. One main thing the Canadian Army was known for was their exceptional low number of POWs captured. Canada was essentially the British Empire's shock troops when it came to trench warfare and especially at raiding trenches. They were known to take very few if any prisoners during the raids and quite a few instances of mutilating the bodies of the dead Germans. There were also several instances of them executing German soldiers after the soldiers surrendered to them.
Another instance was around Christmas the Canadians threw cans of tin meat to the German trenches for a few days and after the Germans got use to it and didn't duck for cover they threw grenades at them instead. While around the same time in some other German/Canadian trenches the Germans tried to get another Christmas Truce between the two sides. After exchanging Christmas songs the Germans stood up out of the trenches and the Canadians shot them all down.
There's a lot more different instances of Canadian war crimes but the main ones are of their treatment of captured, or lack of captured, German POWs.
ANd the USA
Nice suggestions
It’s kind of like the teachers making rules for fighting instead of banning it💀
14:10 doesn't matter then if a nuclear weapon is used tactical, strategical, or conventional. Because at that point war crimes don't matter, because we have bigger issues to worry about.
Indeed, TACTICAL NUKES INCOMING!
During a war and in the heat of the moment, the rules of war does not apply to the ones on the battlefield. It really comes down to the morality of each soldier.
War isn’t a game of kickball, you are literally trying to kill another human being and they are trying to do the same. Most often to survive the war or to protect their comrades.
Yep, only one rule applies to combat - Survive!
Well I have seen guys including myself that have absolutely known we we’re looking at Taliban men that were going to attack us. They hid their weapons in a tree line and kept walking out and looking at us waiting to attack us when we left a compound we were in. We could have killed all of them before they could attack us but since we couldn’t see any weapons we waited. Sure enough when we all exited the compound and were out in the open they opened up on us, then we were in a gunfight for the next 4 1/2 hours. So there are people who do adhere to the rules
Shooting civilians for fun and blowing up civic centers isn't exactly surviving lol
@@austinblake55 your thriving at that point. 😂
@@austinblake55 They have no other choice.
America is the leading nation when it comes to accidents in the warcrime section.
20:34 why does the x ray guy not have collarbones
In peace,it's Geneva convention,in war it's Geneva suggestion. In some cases,Geneva convention turns into "To do" list
Countries when they're in war: "The rules are more of a guideline"
I like how agent 47 made an appearance in this one.
Israel : Hold my phosphorus bombs...
It's not a war crime the first time....
Certainly one of the more Informative and Educational videos you have done. I have always wondered about the "Rules of War". Most people know all about the FIRST category, but the rest i bet almost no one knows less you have been in the military. Most of this stuff sounds like it would be considered "inhuman" or "unthinkable" by most people.
So thanks for informing us.
5:06 *museum in Munich sweats nervously*
The thumbnail looks something familiar from mw3
That poor green vest dude got subjected to every possible war crime