In `1924 my Grandfather was arrested for picking an apple from a tree. He was 14. He was sentenced to weekends at the Dakeyne Boys Home and it was there that he was tricked into going to Canada as a home child. Because he picked an apple from a tree when he was hungry.
He didn't steal an apple in Britain again though, did he? Sounds like the system worked... I hope he did well for himself and found better luck in Canada.
So sorry to hear that. Absolutely horrible, everyone is entitled to feed themselves from the land. I do not want to hear someone owned this tree, this lake, that fish. Damn those people to hell.
If you haven’t seen the serious yet time team is INCREDIBLE I think this channel has their videos and they’re from the 90s but so dang fascinating and they regularly find human archaeological remain
I really love this series. I have always enjoyed history. This series does an excellent job of bringing history to life in a very engrossing and entertaining way.
This documentary sounds like “During the victorian age we English invented this humane jail system, invented the police force, invented detectives, invented mugshots… etc”. They didn’t. They implemented these systems that were already used in other countries.
This entire channel is devoted to presenting Victorian Britain as God's gift to the world. If you can tolerate the self-satisfied propagandising, there is some interesting information at times.
@@adekok1 Greed. And lets not forget this "humane jail system" made the Guildford Four (complete innocents) serve massive sentences (not even mentioning that the police who investigated the case were acquitted of any wrongdoing) and got "justice" just a couple of decades ago, now they only want to put u in jail for telling jokes.
Considering the political climate in the US now, I find it interesting how so many of the attitudes we'd find to be pretty out of date in the Victorians have been resurrected. Continuing to be hard on crime despite it not working, obsession with punishment, worry that the poor will take advantage if the workhouse isn't totally miserable...
the punitive system in the US, from what I'm hearing, is the modern-day legalized slave labor. Cheap work, to make the rich richer, in the name of teaching the inmates a trade and showing them hard work or something. Not everyone can be salvaged, but those who can just end up institutionalized. And that's how capitalism in the US stays alive, exploitation, glorified slavery masked as correctional work or horribly low incomes and if you factor in the privatization of the most basic of goods, which is health care when it's offered, good or bad but it's free, that holds you captive to any system that provides it. Whether that's a prison, or it's a job that sucks the living out of you and pays pennies. My country's system isn't much better, but at least I can stay out of crime and survive, and I can say f off to an oppressive boss and won't worry about how I'll get by. Family, culture, public health care, and a decent well-fare state have my back.
Yeah we haven't come too far in fact we are going backwards...many democratic countries are anyway. Trying to demolish our rights and protections that were hard won and fought for. Too bad America is set on destroying women's right to an abortion etc. and shocks me that some women are on board with this. Wth is wrong with Americans....
So, prison for homelessness and unemployment, and unpaid bills? How is that going to fix anything? You get out and your still going to be unemployed and homeless.
Of course. The problem they were trying to fix was not “there are homeless people,” the problem they were trying to fix was “there are homeless people where rich folks can see them.”
5:22 In the picture there are two Finnish convicts, Antti Rannanjärvi is on the left and Antti Isotalo on the right. Both were famous for stabbing and mugging people in Ostrobothnian countryside in the 1800's.
That's what I was thinking. Hungry people in the midst of a poverty and stealing a little to eat was the equivalent of a major felony. The poor people were driven insane in the prison and I think death would have been more merciful.
@@khankrum1 a wonderful example! Valjean served 19 years for a stealing a loaf of bread for his starving sister and child…and despite spending the rest of his entire life making a positive impact on the world he is still persecuted as a criminal nonetheless!
8 years in those cells.. 8 years.. people go insane in solitary NOW and they have books and windows and light and a bed… I can’t even wrap my head around the mental anguish these prisoners went through. The only crime I consider that a reasonable punishment for is harming a child or someone who’s helpless to stop you..
@RedLiver Calling them prisoners of war implies they were military combatants which is totally false. Many of them were ordinary people like taxi drivers and shopkeepers who were kidnapped by the US government and sadistically tortured for over 2 decades for literally no reason.
@RedLiver There is no God that will receive you in something like a paradise which does not exist (hell is not existing either btw.)because of your hatred.
It sounds harsh, but the RN flogged until 1879 and the British army didn't ban flogging until 1881. The army used field punishment right into WW1. Being tied to a cannon wheel, and left in the elements. It a great show, and very well done, but many times its overlooked that life was equally harsh or perhaps worse as they weren't fed like the inmates were.
The picture at 5:23 is Antti Isotalo and Antti Rannanjärvi. Two famous criminals in Finland 1869. So it is bit funny to see them in documentary about Victorian criminal system.
Funny, at 2.27 time the picture of two guys in chains are actually Finnish murderers Antti Rannajärvi and Antti Isotalo (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antti_Isotalo) in Finland - but yeah if you want to own our murderers, why not 😂
Imagine that you're the prisoner who's file you've shown. Most likely, the only place they've been 'immortalized' is in a video showing his criminal records. That's gotta suck lol
This show should have been called “How the Victorians were awful to each other”, especially the aristocracy. Yeah, they invented a lot, but it was all out of greed and it was all built on the backs and lives of those considered “below” them. The Victorian era was fascinating to me, but it truly was horrible in a lot of ways. I’ve always wondered about Queen Victoria, you always hear about the era, her lover for Albert, but they never talk about if she was a good Queen, I mean, that last bit where she had the laws changed because she was mad the guy who tried to kill her got off wasn’t thinking about “the people”, that was almost a temper tantrum move on her part. The Victorian era has always seemed very much to be an era of selfish acts based on greed or class, I love learning about it, but wouldn’t want to live somewhere that was run the way it was in that era.
The prison system in AZ does things like upholstery work. I know someone who had an entire sofa refurbished for $50 (years ago) but it took several months because there's a waitlist. Prob is, privately funded prisons don't want rehabilitation because prisoners are how they get rich off the federal government.
@@TK-ij2xi I don't think prisoners should be used for private sector profit, but prisons should be as self-sufficient as possible in terms of food and energy.
I enjoy this series so much. I love history so much and British history is my absolute favorite. Nothing is better than watching a good history series and winding down from work.
Tell fantastic stories with an amazing enthusiasm and spirit of adventure! It is truly a pleasure to see and hear your story and program! Queen Victoria must have been a far-sighted and enlightened sovereign!
I love this stuff. It reminds me of a british documentary or the educational films I'd see in school. I really enjoyed that stuff. All the other students would be bored and fidgeting but history was one, if not the ONLY subject I ever cared about
Y'all better learn the correct usage of the words "farther", and "further". (Sounds very stupid when your narrator says "further" when it is supposed to be "farther")
what I have learned so far from the series is that Australia was composed of crooks, orphans, and the poorest of the poor sent away as charity to be saved from workhouses. What a start to have as a colony... But when my people emigrated there after ww1 we were discriminated against and called thieves. it'd be nice if we knew that in the late 1910s. We'd have a great comeback line. :P Australia sure has come a long way since then.
Something I will never understand is the polarity in views on England and later the UK. Either people think that they are the greatest thing ever in history or the absolute worst. The truth is certainly a mix of the two rather than some happy compromise between the two or either extreme. So why is it that almost everything seems to be propaganda from one of the extremes? Sure, a show like Time Team did explore both the great and the abhorrent from Great Britain as a whole with the occasional foray into places like Ireland, mainland Europe and even Maryland. Yet for all of the documentaries from the UK and on the UK (as well as earlier iterations like England or Wessex), whichever position is favored, the other side tends to be used only to highlight their own position. The exceptions that prove the rule if you will. I should say that I do understand why someone would want to promote or denigrate things and why they would do such things in the first place, what I do not understand is why we allow it all to continue to exist.... is it simply because nobody cares? Is it because people do not want nuance and complexity in whatever topics? Are people too stupid or brainwashed? I can ask a hundred more questions here, those I just asked are far more rhetorical than actual questions. History is a complex topic and despite what some people think, is constantly evolving due to how the facts of it are interpreted, not just the discovery of new facts, while a fact is a fact, how one sees those facts within the context they exist is what changes. It seems to me that this is lost upon far too many people. Yes this was something of a ramble and more about how history is viewed in general by the general population than this or any one specific tv or tv style documentary. I guess the truth really is simple is as simple does.
According to hollywood the US won both world wars despite being years late for both of them ... Have you ever watched anything on the so called ' History ' channel ? Swallowed tales of the ' old West ' ? Real history lies buried in libraries and halls of learning . This is light entertainment and should be consumed as such .
@@weehudyy Is that a question or statement? Kinda seems like the latter. I would like to stress one of the last things I said "...and more about how history is viewed in general by the general population than this or any one specific tv or tv style documentary." I would like to argue that even in doses that do not qualify as large or heavy, one can still distill complex topics if written or structured well. Just as one example, take the videos of Dracinifel on naval matters. Question: If something is so light as to be ignored or forgotten in moments, what is the point in the first place? Surely if it is a topic worth remembering, as the history of the UK most certainly is, it is worth doing justice to that topic.
5:16 those two were famous finnish criminals (Puukkojunkkari) Antti Isotalo and Antti Rannanjärvi 1869. They was never in Spike Island though, but did their time (and crimes) in Finland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puukkojunkkari
Most were Irish,and Australia was better than Blighty,you could do ok after you did your time,if you did not become a Bushranger,like Harry Powers,Mad Dog Morgan Ned Kelly,and end up on a ropes end.
If the Victorians had the intellgence and concern for their actual citizens, found a way to end poverty and hunger there would have been far less vagrants, thieves, etc.
I find it wild that the one chap got locked up 45 or so times in this life for what we today would call being homeless or sleeping rough. A bit of a quandary this. Throwing the homeless in prison kept the streets clean and free of improvised portable lodgings (tents, lean too's) but is it humane. I find it weird to see that in Victorian England they were fighting homelessness an issue we still fight today. It is weirder still that despite all our technical and social justice advancement we still treat homeless bodies like unwanted rubbish just as we did in Victorian times!
After seeing the Madagascar prison, no prison documentaries have been able to faze me. That Madagascar documentary ruined prison documentaries for me lol
One of the California prisons seen on Lock Up (San Quentin?) has a panopticon-type circular arrangement, and it was one of the noisiest and most intimidating prisons on the show. Could be because of the population, but the design where inmates can see so many others seems to be a big problem. One more good-intentioned idea that sounded better in theory, I suppose.
If the British could have managed it they would have transferred the entire Catholic population of Ireland to Australia. Australia would be named New Ireland now.
That's what I thought was so hilarious about it. There are so many ways to make a crank productive, but they insist the labor be futile. So hilariously cruel.
I think it would really be in your guys' best interest to upload your OWN closed captioning for your videos!! Sometimes I have a hard time hearing so I turn them on so I don't disturb others with loud volume. This usually isn't an issue but there are some rather unfortunate mis-captions on this video... 18:10 Yikes I love your videos though! This is my only complaint haha
OUTSTANDING VIDEO!! I, first, heard about Spike Island on MYSTERIES OF THE ABANDONED (Science Channel). I knew its story was going to be VERY BAD!! Spike Island reminds me that prison in Tasmania (also featured on MYSTERIES OF THE ABANDONED). It wouldn't surprise if some of the Spike Island prisoners were transported to the Tasmanian prison (can't think of the name).🤔🤔🤔✌✌✌✌
Now do the real history of Ireland and the famine. Even your own own citizens, doctors, and newspapers called out the government and monarchy on what the English did to Ireland. Just this year, 2021, Ireland's population has recovered to what it was before 1847. Convenient how they always blame the failure of the potato crop. That is what they expected Ireland to live on. Corn, wheat and other food crops were shipped out to England all through the famine. Under English lords who ran the tenant farmer system once English law forced fathers to split their farms between their sons when the died, making the farm smaller and smaller until no one could raise enough food to survive, let alone have livestock. Then they took it when the farmers went into debt to feed their family and couldn't pay it back because they couldn't sell their crops, they were needed to eat. Much worse than transport, you could have been Irish and starved to death or took your chances on a coffin ship. Mythird great grandfather left in 1847, his wife died of ships fever on the way over. He had one son with him, less than 1 year old. My other Irish grandfather left in 1830, to land he was promised in Nova Scotia if he would leave Ireland. It was uninhabitable.
My mother's mother's mother(who was alive until recently) had come with her parents from Ireland to Nova Scotia as well, so that must have been a place they often offered land to Irish immigrants. I always wondered why there🤷🏻♀️ They managed to make it work but at some point moved south cuz now we're in VT and have been since her Gen.
So even into the 19th century you were guilty until proven innocent. Mean while in 1776 we the USA went against the English and said no innocent until proven guilty.
@@ReasonAboveEverything That couldn't be because we have a lot of women falsely accusing men, could it?!? That couldn't possibly be the issue....of course not. Meanwhile, actual law enforcement does make you go to the hospital hand have a rape kit performed to collect evidence if you claim to have been raped. They take your claim seriously unless they obtain evidence contrary to what you are telling them. "Rape Culture" isn't real, and the numbers of actual rapes in the US is much much lower than you think it is. There are far, FAR too many women who claim to have been assaulted when they haven't, and most of these women never report this supposed rape to the police. Why? Because it didn't happen. If you were actually raped, you would go straight to the police because you would want to see the man punished. As women, we know not to wash, but to go straight to the hospital for a rape kit if we are assaulted for them to collect a rape kit for evidence. And yes....they can tell during that exam if it was rape or consensual sex...which is why all these fake as heck claims never go to the police. They would be found to be lying fairly quickly just with the exam. Im not saying rape doesn't occur, because it does....just that it doesn't occur as often as we are made to believe. And NO....you should NEVER "#believe all women".
Some of the most effective propaganda often comes from those who truly believe that what they're teaching is informed completely by original thought...
Saying one can't imagine those punishment cells in modern times should go to Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and a few other countries with medieval justice systems. Those kind of punishments still exist in these times along with human trafficking etc. etc.
I simply cannot under- stand why British law did not realize, understand, or accept, that these attitudes and practices toward offenders simply do not work. Then again, there are indeed those who will be or cannot be reformed. There are offender's who absolutely should never be released back into the community. Capital punishment requires too much room for comment. And what about the ever growing room and space problem. And just why is it that some countries have such a problem with criminality. The assumption that you are guilty came with merely an arrest and even mere accusation. Law weighed heavily on the side of the prosecu- tion. Proving guilt then was essentially already made. Assumption of innocence at least, requires an objective preponderance of evidence, - this appears much more judicial.
Modern judge: You've had a bad childhood so I'll give you community service for this 10th offense violent crime. You be good now. 19th century judge: Off to the dungeon with ye!
They always state stealing a hankie or food could get you transportation but really ? Only the worst repeat offenders would be shipped off and there were enough of those .
I thought this was how the Victorians built Britain. So the whole time I thought they did it with building prisons lol. It was only halfway through the documentary I saw Alcatraz in the title haha
They built prisons and they turned a large portion of the world into giant plantations to suck out all their wealth, and thus laid the groundwork for the totalitarian post-colonial ultracapitalist hell world we live in today. God Save the Queen! Rule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves! Britons will never never never be accountable for all the slaves!
In `1924 my Grandfather was arrested for picking an apple from a tree. He was 14. He was sentenced to weekends at the Dakeyne Boys Home and it was there that he was tricked into going to Canada as a home child. Because he picked an apple from a tree when he was hungry.
He didn't steal an apple in Britain again though, did he? Sounds like the system worked...
I hope he did well for himself and found better luck in Canada.
Exactly right.. So who are the real criminals then...😖🤴
@@robinmaul4681 did you miss the part in this documentary where they said most prisoners were reoffenders?
So sorry to hear that. Absolutely horrible, everyone is entitled to feed themselves from the land. I do not want to hear someone owned this tree, this lake, that fish. Damn those people to hell.
Incredible
This is my favorite CZcams history channel. I found it 1 week ago. Great works filming and presenting everything in this perfect manner.
If you haven’t seen the serious yet time team is INCREDIBLE I think this channel has their videos and they’re from the 90s but so dang fascinating and they regularly find human archaeological remain
@GODofFUCK wonder is a really good channel
Series*
@GODofFUCK Thanks! I will check it out right now.
It’s amazing!
I really love this series. I have always enjoyed history. This series does an excellent job of bringing history to life in a very engrossing and entertaining way.
15:00 yep
This documentary sounds like “During the victorian age we English invented this humane jail system, invented the police force, invented detectives, invented mugshots… etc”. They didn’t. They implemented these systems that were already used in other countries.
This entire channel is devoted to presenting Victorian Britain as God's gift to the world. If you can tolerate the self-satisfied propagandising, there is some interesting information at times.
Come to an American prison, your are freaking hotels in comparison
@@adekok1 Greed. And lets not forget this "humane jail system" made the Guildford Four (complete innocents) serve massive sentences (not even mentioning that the police who investigated the case were acquitted of any wrongdoing) and got "justice" just a couple of decades ago, now they only want to put u in jail for telling jokes.
Jealousy will get you no where in life son.
@@redhen2470 Being oblivious to state propaganda neither.
7 years for stealing a potato 🥔? Fight to the death if u ask me
Considering the political climate in the US now, I find it interesting how so many of the attitudes we'd find to be pretty out of date in the Victorians have been resurrected. Continuing to be hard on crime despite it not working, obsession with punishment, worry that the poor will take advantage if the workhouse isn't totally miserable...
the punitive system in the US, from what I'm hearing, is the modern-day legalized slave labor. Cheap work, to make the rich richer, in the name of teaching the inmates a trade and showing them hard work or something. Not everyone can be salvaged, but those who can just end up institutionalized. And that's how capitalism in the US stays alive, exploitation, glorified slavery masked as correctional work or horribly low incomes and if you factor in the privatization of the most basic of goods, which is health care when it's offered, good or bad but it's free, that holds you captive to any system that provides it. Whether that's a prison, or it's a job that sucks the living out of you and pays pennies.
My country's system isn't much better, but at least I can stay out of crime and survive, and I can say f off to an oppressive boss and won't worry about how I'll get by. Family, culture, public health care, and a decent well-fare state have my back.
Yeah I noticed that too. History repeats itself
Yeah we haven't come too far in fact we are going backwards...many democratic countries are anyway. Trying to demolish our rights and protections that were hard won and fought for. Too bad America is set on destroying women's right to an abortion etc. and shocks me that some women are on board with this. Wth is wrong with Americans....
Conservatives never change apparently.
So, prison for homelessness and unemployment, and unpaid bills? How is that going to fix anything? You get out and your still going to be unemployed and homeless.
Of course. The problem they were trying to fix was not “there are homeless people,” the problem they were trying to fix was “there are homeless people where rich folks can see them.”
You mean then or now? Cuz it's the same now. Unless ur not American?
Up until the late 1980s you go to prison for unpaid bills and prisons looked exactly like that,in NZL ..
5:22 In the picture there are two Finnish convicts, Antti Rannanjärvi is on the left and Antti Isotalo on the right. Both were famous for stabbing and mugging people in Ostrobothnian countryside in the 1800's.
Interesting
That picture is so good it appears on Finnish history books, and apparently it was so good some version ended up in a museum in Australia..
That's what I was thinking. Hungry people in the midst of a poverty and stealing a little to eat was the equivalent of a major felony. The poor people were driven insane in the prison and I think death would have been more merciful.
Did you ever see Murder In the First? It was Depression Era USA, but it's still the same idea. 90s movie with Kevin Bacon.
Have you read Les Meserables? ( French not my at my best)
@@khankrum1 a wonderful example! Valjean served 19 years for a stealing a loaf of bread for his starving sister and child…and despite spending the rest of his entire life making a positive impact on the world he is still persecuted as a criminal nonetheless!
Volttaire succinctly covered that in his book "Les Misserables""
@@khankrum1 Voltaire didn’t write Les Miserables…Victor Hugo did.
8 years in those cells.. 8 years.. people go insane in solitary NOW and they have books and windows and light and a bed… I can’t even wrap my head around the mental anguish these prisoners went through. The only crime I consider that a reasonable punishment for is harming a child or someone who’s helpless to stop you..
Just think of the people in Guantanamo held for 20 years and tortured without ever even being charged with a crime.
@RedLiver Calling them prisoners of war implies they were military combatants which is totally false. Many of them were ordinary people like taxi drivers and shopkeepers who were kidnapped by the US government and sadistically tortured for over 2 decades for literally no reason.
@RedLiver you know nothing about them. Your hatred comes from reading to right wing fake press…
@RedLiver There is no God that will receive you in something like a paradise which does not exist (hell is not existing either btw.)because of your hatred.
So pleased I found and subscribed to this channel! Thanks so much!
Best doc series ever. Hope it never ends
That irish accent is so good to hear!
Took me some getting used to 😅
Petyr Baelish
It sounds harsh, but the RN flogged until 1879 and the British army didn't ban flogging until 1881. The army used field punishment right into WW1. Being tied to a cannon wheel, and left in the elements. It a great show, and very well done, but many times its overlooked that life was equally harsh or perhaps worse as they weren't fed like the inmates were.
The picture at 5:23 is Antti Isotalo and Antti Rannanjärvi. Two famous criminals in Finland 1869. So it is bit funny to see them in documentary about Victorian criminal system.
43:03 "It's the most majestic shithouse in the world." What a phrase to end this video on lol 😂😂
@35:45, here in Louisiana, we have Napoleonic Law. Everyone else uses Common Law.
Funny, at 2.27 time the picture of two guys in chains are actually Finnish murderers Antti Rannajärvi and Antti Isotalo (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antti_Isotalo) in Finland - but yeah if you want to own our murderers, why not 😂
I've toured Alcatraz before but never seen the black cells. Those were off limits when i went.
My mum and an aunt missed the boat back to the mainland(back in the 60's or 70's) and had to stay the night.
the criminals at 2:28 are two of the most famous Finnish criminals of the era... Antti Isotalo and Antti Rannanjärvi... Picture is from 1869
Imagine that you're the prisoner who's file you've shown.
Most likely, the only place they've been 'immortalized' is in a video showing his criminal records.
That's gotta suck lol
The silent system is actually called the Auburn System
Why b/c of the rape rate??
In America it's called the Auburn System. Knowing Brits, they probably call it something British rather than naming it after Auburn, NY.
This show should have been called “How the Victorians were awful to each other”, especially the aristocracy. Yeah, they invented a lot, but it was all out of greed and it was all built on the backs and lives of those considered “below” them. The Victorian era was fascinating to me, but it truly was horrible in a lot of ways. I’ve always wondered about Queen Victoria, you always hear about the era, her lover for Albert, but they never talk about if she was a good Queen, I mean, that last bit where she had the laws changed because she was mad the guy who tried to kill her got off wasn’t thinking about “the people”, that was almost a temper tantrum move on her part. The Victorian era has always seemed very much to be an era of selfish acts based on greed or class, I love learning about it, but wouldn’t want to live somewhere that was run the way it was in that era.
5:20 those are two finnish killers. Legends, puukkojunkkarit
Isotalo and Rannanjärvi at 2:27 were certainly not Victorian prisoners. Most probably they had never even heard of a small place called Britain.
Indeed. Why the hell did they pick a picture of knife fighters/gangsters from Finland?
4:53 Is this guy okay? He sounds like he threw his voice out the day before the shoot with some loud cheering! I hope he's alright. Poor guy D:
In the early 2000's I worked for the state AG. WE had AFIS scanners - just lay your fingers on a glass plate and the scan prints out. Fascinating.
Do you reckon the origin of "screw you" is that unproductive labour task?
No, screw also means copulate.
Execution for cutting down a tree? What a fun, humane bunch the Brittish were.
Alot of times i'm sure it all depended on just who's tree you were cutting down if you got hung or not.
I went there once and there was the sound of a man screaming but when we looked where it came from it was just a deserted dead end hallway.
Ghosts. Tragically the souls of the dead are often bound for eternity (till judgement Day) to prisons and insane asylums.
I'm really enjoying this series, very informative! :D
I wish we could use our prison populations to preserve pre-industrial occupations (making wooden furniture by hand, stone carving and the like).
The prison system in AZ does things like upholstery work. I know someone who had an entire sofa refurbished for $50 (years ago) but it took several months because there's a waitlist.
Prob is, privately funded prisons don't want rehabilitation because prisoners are how they get rich off the federal government.
No. Just. No.
@@TK-ij2xi I don't think prisoners should be used for private sector profit, but prisons should be as self-sufficient as possible in terms of food and energy.
@@purrdiggle1470 Agreed.
If needed the prisoners should be mentally treated, or offered to get an education.
That's hos it is in my country.
Rehabilitation.
I enjoy this series so much. I love history so much and British history is my absolute favorite. Nothing is better than watching a good history series and winding down from work.
This channel is no doubt the best. So informative and I love the stories and pictures they add in
Tell fantastic stories with an amazing enthusiasm and spirit of adventure!
It is truly a pleasure to see and hear your story and program!
Queen Victoria must have been a far-sighted and enlightened sovereign!
I love this stuff. It reminds me of a british documentary or the educational films I'd see in school. I really enjoyed that stuff. All the other students would be bored and fidgeting but history was one, if not the ONLY subject I ever cared about
Love it. Thank you. Philadelphia USA
It just makes me wonder how many of these poor soul prisoners went insane and nobody cared.
Remember, the UK courts now convict people for posting song lyrics if they have a naughty word in it.
Wished Ghost Adventures would go there.
Amazing that they abolished public hangings before the movies or even television became popular.
Thank you for this video! 😀🌸
Y'all better learn the correct usage of the words "farther", and "further". (Sounds very stupid when your narrator says "further" when it is supposed to be "farther")
what I have learned so far from the series is that Australia was composed of crooks, orphans, and the poorest of the poor sent away as charity to be saved from workhouses. What a start to have as a colony... But when my people emigrated there after ww1 we were discriminated against and called thieves. it'd be nice if we knew that in the late 1910s. We'd have a great comeback line. :P Australia sure has come a long way since then.
Something I will never understand is the polarity in views on England and later the UK. Either people think that they are the greatest thing ever in history or the absolute worst. The truth is certainly a mix of the two rather than some happy compromise between the two or either extreme. So why is it that almost everything seems to be propaganda from one of the extremes?
Sure, a show like Time Team did explore both the great and the abhorrent from Great Britain as a whole with the occasional foray into places like Ireland, mainland Europe and even Maryland. Yet for all of the documentaries from the UK and on the UK (as well as earlier iterations like England or Wessex), whichever position is favored, the other side tends to be used only to highlight their own position. The exceptions that prove the rule if you will.
I should say that I do understand why someone would want to promote or denigrate things and why they would do such things in the first place, what I do not understand is why we allow it all to continue to exist.... is it simply because nobody cares? Is it because people do not want nuance and complexity in whatever topics? Are people too stupid or brainwashed? I can ask a hundred more questions here, those I just asked are far more rhetorical than actual questions.
History is a complex topic and despite what some people think, is constantly evolving due to how the facts of it are interpreted, not just the discovery of new facts, while a fact is a fact, how one sees those facts within the context they exist is what changes. It seems to me that this is lost upon far too many people.
Yes this was something of a ramble and more about how history is viewed in general by the general population than this or any one specific tv or tv style documentary. I guess the truth really is simple is as simple does.
According to hollywood the US won both world wars despite being years late for both of them ... Have you ever watched anything on the so called ' History ' channel ? Swallowed tales of the ' old West ' ? Real history lies buried in libraries and halls of learning . This is light entertainment and should be consumed as such .
@@weehudyy Is that a question or statement? Kinda seems like the latter.
I would like to stress one of the last things I said "...and more about how history is viewed in general by the general population than this or any one specific tv or tv style documentary."
I would like to argue that even in doses that do not qualify as large or heavy, one can still distill complex topics if written or structured well. Just as one example, take the videos of Dracinifel on naval matters.
Question: If something is so light as to be ignored or forgotten in moments, what is the point in the first place? Surely if it is a topic worth remembering, as the history of the UK most certainly is, it is worth doing justice to that topic.
@@whyjnot420 Learn to edit , brevity can be your friend.
In Canada, Kingston Pennitentiary was kept open until 2013, and it was modeled and run on the 19th century british prison system as idea.
5:16 those two were famous finnish criminals (Puukkojunkkari) Antti Isotalo and Antti Rannanjärvi 1869. They was never in Spike Island though, but did their time (and crimes) in Finland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puukkojunkkari
The isolation cell reminds me of my office
Such an interesting channel.
Remembering whitehall 1212…anyone else remember that?
Being forced to live in Australia is a particularly cruel form of punishment. Especially if you're a pommy bastard.
Most were Irish,and Australia was better than Blighty,you could do ok after you did your time,if you did not become a Bushranger,like Harry Powers,Mad Dog Morgan Ned Kelly,and end up on a ropes end.
The peaky fookin Blinders m8
This series is great.
Yeah victorian to Edwardian era are the most interesting British periods, must have been huge fans of steampunk
Hold on, wait a second... is that why we say that someone is screwed? The more you know.
If the Victorians had the intellgence and concern for their actual citizens, found a way to end poverty and hunger there would have been far less vagrants, thieves, etc.
I find it wild that the one chap got locked up 45 or so times in this life for what we today would call being homeless or sleeping rough. A bit of a quandary this. Throwing the homeless in prison kept the streets clean and free of improvised portable lodgings (tents, lean too's) but is it humane. I find it weird to see that in Victorian England they were fighting homelessness an issue we still fight today. It is weirder still that despite all our technical and social justice advancement we still treat homeless bodies like unwanted rubbish just as we did in Victorian times!
Huh, I thought only serious criminal were sent to Australia, not everyone. That was silly.
The government is almost always incompetent. The American government was designed expecting corruption and idiocy.
@@vagabondwastrel2361 Yes and look where we are right now with the democratic party running most everything.
At 2:27 and 5:15 you have a picture of two Finnish criminals. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puukkojunkkari
Britain has such grand building’s
After seeing the Madagascar prison, no prison documentaries have been able to faze me. That Madagascar documentary ruined prison documentaries for me lol
what about the women that were shipped under accusation of prostitution
I wish I could recall the book I just read about that. Historical fiction.
14:12 Tom Holland
40:28 Tom Holland Again
One of the California prisons seen on Lock Up (San Quentin?) has a panopticon-type circular arrangement, and it was one of the noisiest and most intimidating prisons on the show. Could be because of the population, but the design where inmates can see so many others seems to be a big problem. One more good-intentioned idea that sounded better in theory, I suppose.
Is it really that cold in a tropical green house?
Pretty damn good.. i really learned alot
Irish people talk in ryhms "larda darda darda dar" and they always end on a down note every sentence, its quite funny.
If the British could have managed it they would have transferred the entire Catholic population of Ireland to Australia. Australia would be named New Ireland now.
17:35 Unproductive??This is like perfect churn for making butter 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂just couldn’t stop laughing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's what I thought was so hilarious about it. There are so many ways to make a crank productive, but they insist the labor be futile. So hilariously cruel.
you really dont get it , do you smiley ..
@@wayneandrews9298 You lack of humor !!👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Seems that, behind the thin veneer of civilization- there was horrible abuse, neglect and oppression.
On a different level, much the same today
That intro was some fine propaganda, truly
I think it would really be in your guys' best interest to upload your OWN closed captioning for your videos!! Sometimes I have a hard time hearing so I turn them on so I don't disturb others with loud volume. This usually isn't an issue but there are some rather unfortunate mis-captions on this video...
18:10 Yikes
I love your videos though! This is my only complaint haha
i could go to that website and sign up OR.... hear me out on this one..... I COULD just watch them all free and ad-free on youtube... Boom
Yes, but they need to make money if they are going to continue to provide the service.
@@lindatisue733 While this is true, they are the ones providing it free on youtube to generate ad revenue :) so they win either way
It’s a shame they didn’t show us the pictures of the inmates
Simple love the content.
Glad Britain figured out putting people in jail didn't work as well as having a social saftey net.
Can you tell America?
The USA didn't. And still haven't.
So that's why pedophiliacs and killers get released after a short term and end up re-offending🤔....some safety net🤷♀️
No one mentions the famous books anymore :LONDON LABOUR AND THE LONDON POOR.
The Peaky Blinders look like they had FASD
They probably did, women drank and smoked through pregnancies until around the 1960s
5:23 Photo from 1869. Those 2 were Antti Isotalo and Antti Rannanjärvi finnish criminal leaders.
if there is any country that truly understands torture and pain it is Britain.
OUTSTANDING VIDEO!!
I, first, heard about Spike Island on MYSTERIES OF THE ABANDONED (Science Channel). I knew its story was going to be VERY BAD!!
Spike Island reminds me that prison in Tasmania (also featured on MYSTERIES OF THE ABANDONED).
It wouldn't surprise if some of the Spike Island prisoners were transported to the Tasmanian prison (can't think of the name).🤔🤔🤔✌✌✌✌
Why were so many offenders sent to such a far away place as Australia instead of Canada?
They needed to populate their colony.
Zero mentions of crimes' victims until 25:25.
Alcatraz means pelican! *neer na neer na neer*
Now do the real history of Ireland and the famine. Even your own own citizens, doctors, and newspapers called out the government and monarchy on what the English did to Ireland. Just this year, 2021, Ireland's population has recovered to what it was before 1847. Convenient how they always blame the failure of the potato crop. That is what they expected Ireland to live on. Corn, wheat and other food crops were shipped out to England all through the famine. Under English lords who ran the tenant farmer system once English law forced fathers to split their farms between their sons when the died, making the farm smaller and smaller until no one could raise enough food to survive, let alone have livestock. Then they took it when the farmers went into debt to feed their family and couldn't pay it back because they couldn't sell their crops, they were needed to eat. Much worse than transport, you could have been Irish and starved to death or took your chances on a coffin ship. Mythird great grandfather left in 1847, his wife died of ships fever on the way over. He had one son with him, less than 1 year old. My other Irish grandfather left in 1830, to land he was promised in Nova Scotia if he would leave Ireland. It was uninhabitable.
My mother's mother's mother(who was alive until recently) had come with her parents from Ireland to Nova Scotia as well, so that must have been a place they often offered land to Irish immigrants. I always wondered why there🤷🏻♀️ They managed to make it work but at some point moved south cuz now we're in VT and have been since her Gen.
Those jails and prisons aren't haunted at all.
So even into the 19th century you were guilty until proven innocent. Mean while in 1776 we the USA went against the English and said no innocent until proven guilty.
Too bad rape accusations are still treated more like judgements.
@@ReasonAboveEverything That couldn't be because we have a lot of women falsely accusing men, could it?!? That couldn't possibly be the issue....of course not. Meanwhile, actual law enforcement does make you go to the hospital hand have a rape kit performed to collect evidence if you claim to have been raped. They take your claim seriously unless they obtain evidence contrary to what you are telling them. "Rape Culture" isn't real, and the numbers of actual rapes in the US is much much lower than you think it is. There are far, FAR too many women who claim to have been assaulted when they haven't, and most of these women never report this supposed rape to the police. Why? Because it didn't happen. If you were actually raped, you would go straight to the police because you would want to see the man punished. As women, we know not to wash, but to go straight to the hospital for a rape kit if we are assaulted for them to collect a rape kit for evidence. And yes....they can tell during that exam if it was rape or consensual sex...which is why all these fake as heck claims never go to the police. They would be found to be lying fairly quickly just with the exam. Im not saying rape doesn't occur, because it does....just that it doesn't occur as often as we are made to believe. And NO....you should NEVER "#believe all women".
Thank ye for using the word "literally" properly.
"Put salt in someone's wounds," is literally used correctly.
No wonder bad guys always have a British accent.
When you HAVE to build more jails/ prisons, your legal system is not working.
Instead, execute those that are due and make room. Simple. 👍
Dee, you just gotta be American. Texas?
Some of the most effective propaganda often comes from those who truly believe that what they're teaching is informed completely by original thought...
Do you think anyone committed crimes to be transported in specific
Probably, though it definitely wouldn’t be the norm
What is with this crime wave of stealing handkerchiefs all about? It seems a tiny bit of an inflated truth.
A Victorian "gentleman's" handkerchief was not any old snot rag, but a large square of silk. An expensive commodity.
i take it you have never seen , oliver twist then ..
Saying one can't imagine those punishment cells in modern times should go to Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and a few other countries with medieval justice systems. Those kind of punishments still exist in these times along with human trafficking etc. etc.
I simply cannot under-
stand why British law did not realize, understand, or accept, that these attitudes and practices toward offenders simply do not work.
Then again, there are indeed those who will be or cannot be reformed.
There are offender's who absolutely should never be released back into the community.
Capital punishment requires too much room for comment.
And what about the ever growing room and space problem. And just why is it that some countries have such a problem with criminality.
The assumption that you are guilty came with merely an arrest and even mere accusation.
Law weighed heavily on the side of the prosecu-
tion. Proving guilt then was essentially already made. Assumption of innocence at least, requires an objective preponderance of evidence, - this appears much more judicial.
A few bad apples
I believe fingerprint info is incorrect. People have been found to have the same and convicted for each other's crimes.
Fun fact for Potterheads like me: J.K. actually modeled Azkaban Prison after Alcatraz!! 👍🏻😉 As you see, they even sound alike: Azkaban, Alcatraz! 👍🏻
I think certain offenders should be made to suffer for the rest of their lives.
Modern judge: You've had a bad childhood so I'll give you community service for this 10th offense violent crime. You be good now.
19th century judge: Off to the dungeon with ye!
They always state stealing a hankie or food could get you transportation but really ? Only the worst repeat offenders would be shipped off and there were enough of those .
I thought this was how the Victorians built Britain. So the whole time I thought they did it with building prisons lol. It was only halfway through the documentary I saw Alcatraz in the title haha
They built prisons and they turned a large portion of the world into giant plantations to suck out all their wealth, and thus laid the groundwork for the totalitarian post-colonial ultracapitalist hell world we live in today. God Save the Queen! Rule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves! Britons will never never never be accountable for all the slaves!