I agree...I feel that *Yamaha* should've recalled and/or cover all repairs of *"spring-cord"* defect. Being that they've been crafting high-quality pianos for over a century and has built a reputation for being durable, reliable, and having exceptional sound quality.
Yamaha have a false reputation for quality based upon a strong marketing campaign. They only built good pianos between the 70s and 80s. But truth is that every decade Yamaha have had issues with quality of their pianos, even from around 1992 to 2002 their grands would not hold tune in the treble, many with wires breaking from new. They had a period in the 80s of soundboards reversing (losing the crown of the board) many 70s to 80s G series with badly split boards and planks. Yet they never admit a fault but blame the owners and technicians. Thousands of dealers refuse to sell their products globally as a result.
Excellent camera work throughout! Not only are you a young tradesman, you know your stuff so well that you can film yourself & STILL make it look “easy.” Thx for keeping your piano clients in-tune & your followers thoroughly satisfied.😊🎄🎹
You’ll get quicker the more of these you do! You’ll get down to about 3 hours after a few more. Thanks to Yamaha for all the work they provide us! Haha.
When my grandparents moved out of their house, we couldn't get the piano in the basement out because some renodels that had been done over the previous 40 years removed the path that was used to put it in. It was falling apart, horribly out of tune, the keys were disintegrating, and the keycaps were potentially iviry so it would have been illegal to sell anyways, so we just decided to dismantle and get rid of it piece by piece. It was a 90+ year old upright piano, the soundboard was a single massive brass cast that took 9 grown men to get up the stairs and out the door. When we eventually got the action upstairs, I decided I wanted to keep a part of it, so I sawed off a third of it and my uncle took the other 2/3. I eventually plan to turn it into a piece of art to hang on the wall, but I need to restore it first since most of the felt is falling off as well. Once it's done, it'll be an interesting piece from my family's history since it's the piano my mkm grew up with, my aunt grew up playing, and I grew up around.
Man, you make this look so easy! You defintely know your trade. It's always fun to watch you at work. I shy away from gluing stuff if I can. The glue ends up more on me than what I'm trying to glue. Have a very Merry Christmas and a happy and blessed New Year, Josiah!
Amazing to see the details inside. Yeay for little brothers! I have a cleaning business and understand about the satisfaction of getting those crevices all cleaned out.
I am a piano technician ! I am 19 y.o. I began this passion at 13 y.o. I think that you have a lot of things to learn yet ! I watch sometimes your videos, you make some mistakes sometimes, but you will progress.
This was so cool to watch! It amazes me how incredibly intricate pianos are. I would love to take the course learn a trade and repair my old piano I have in my home!
Glad you liked the video! There is a big need for piano tuners all around the world right now. It would be awesome to have someone else in the field. Best of luck
As soon as I saw the piano, I knew it was those hammer butt flange cords. I like to replace the flanges with new ones. You don’t have to measure the cord length when replacing the flange. It costs about $125 to buy a new set of flanges from schaff.
It’s so nice to see you carrying this work out for people. I had this problem with my piano and the technician I was using said “you’re not a good enough pianist to notice this problem” and refused to fix it for me
After you took the PTA course, how soon did you start a business? I’ve heard some recommend tuning several hundred pianos first for practice, while others just start right away.
This is great information! Question. It seems like more often than this, I find the bridle straps dry rotted, and sometimes it doesn’t cause serious problems if it’s one note. I’ve seen it occur on multiple to where I asked the owner, “What is this piano worth to you?” If they want it repaired, I’ll do the research and order parts, otherwise I’ll let them know it’s not worth continuing the job if they only wanted to see the potential of fixing it.
I really enjoy your videos! Good time lapse edit. Is that a U2? Curious what years were bad. And if you can submit a claim to Yahama for the work? I would love a video that tells the story of your training.
Being a piano technician is my dream job but in my city there's only one guy who is a piano technician, and he is full-time employed by the college and like 80 lol, we're friends but he's very busy.
That looks identical to the action in this Baldwin Ellington upright I got from my neighbors when they moved out a year or two ago. I really need to find someone who can help me figure out how to finish putting it back together... >.>
In many of your videos the tuning process is shown fast and via app support. Do you actually tune temperation deviations by ear or just set the strings to the theoretical tuning?
Its amazing that these things are so highly engineered, yet you can easily get one for free a lot of the time because people are just trying to get rid of them. Lol
In future, remove the hammers with the flanges, number them. You were lucky not to lose the bridle tapes. Then remove the flanges and do the chords. Fishing wire IS NOT USED but action chord, from your repair supplier, but most in the USA only supply IMIT etc registered technicians. The fluttering hammer was not caused by this though, the butt springs return the hammer quickly. The set off of back rest were out of alignment, maybe the action was not sitting in correctly, bring as the mute rail is missing I’d guess that was the likely cause. Having done the required repair, you clearly put the action in properly fixing the issue. Yamahas have loads of problems over the decades, they never admit to issues, even the grands which never hold tune they refused to admit there was a problem. Good fix though! But next time make your live easier and disconnect the bridle tapes and remove the entire hammer. It makes the job easier :-).
The bass hammers are bigger and heavier (more felt), the hammers get smaller as you go up in pitch (less and less felt). Good digital pianos have a 'graded hammer action' to simulate the feel of an acoustic action, such that the bass keys feel heavier, then the keys feel lighter as you go up in pitch.
700$ to change all of those spring cords in an Upright piano, just out of curiosity.. would it be twice the price for changing all those in a Grand piano? Since Grand cost almost twice the price of an Upright (i guess).
Why use modern wood glue rather than something reversible like hide glue which I've seen you use in another video so the repair can be made again in the future? Do you at least take the time to check unfamiliar makes and models to make sure you perform period accurate repairs on period instruments? It's not always strait forward recognising a period instrument since a piano from the 1850s with the latest technology of the time can look and sound almost the same as a 1930s piano so it can be easy to perform the wrong repair if you see one from this era for the first time thinking it's far more recent than it actually is. When working on my organ, all I have to do is get the glue wet and reuse it even though it's more than 100 years old while recent repairs like plastic straps on the pedals and plastic key tops need to be discarded but I was lucky enough for modern wood glue not to be found anywhere so no damage has to be made to completely take it apart making restoration so much easier.
I have a Yamaha UX5 (1985 Japanese made and imported to UK) I had all the spring cords renewed because one was broken and thought whilst they had the piano apart they might as well do them all. Prevention is better than cure. I also have it tuned every 4 months to concert pitch.
This is one reel I did not enjoy, I absolutely hate doing this repair😂. If you’re ever in the Chicago area and want to try out any electromechanical keyboards lmk, I always get weird shit in the shop
It depends on the pianos sentimentality. Normally if the repair exceeds the value of the piano I encourage using the money for a new piano. In this particular case, this studio Yamaha is probably worth around $1,200-$1,500 depending on location, and the repair for this can be around $500. Great investment for a great piano. If the piano had to be restrung for example, that would cost $4,000-$,6000 just for the restring alone. Unless the piano means a lot to the owner I encourage using the money for a newer piano.
I bought a Yamaha u1 for $500 with a couple of these cords broken, so I just decided to replace all of them two days ago. It took me two days on holiday instead of paying $2500+ for a U1 from a dealer. 100% worth it as it’s very easily DIY-able, albeit definitely intimidating at first glance. Took me $15 worth of materials to fix.
If the piano is solid and reasonable to play. I saw some major work (more than this) done on someone's ancient "Grandma's" piano. And it was still awful to play, but "it looks nice and reminds me of Grandma" - and never played.
I think it’s so cool that pianos are both complicated and really simple at the same time. Thank you for sharing.
Same for me
Definitely relatable
I agree...I feel that *Yamaha* should've recalled and/or cover all repairs of *"spring-cord"* defect. Being that they've been crafting high-quality pianos for over a century and has built a reputation for being durable, reliable, and having exceptional sound quality.
Agreed
Yamaha have a false reputation for quality based upon a strong marketing campaign. They only built good pianos between the 70s and 80s. But truth is that every decade Yamaha have had issues with quality of their pianos, even from around 1992 to 2002 their grands would not hold tune in the treble, many with wires breaking from new. They had a period in the 80s of soundboards reversing (losing the crown of the board) many 70s to 80s G series with badly split boards and planks. Yet they never admit a fault but blame the owners and technicians. Thousands of dealers refuse to sell their products globally as a result.
@@RunnymedePianos-ee1kb It's good to understand this when shopping for a used piano.
Took me two days to fix all of the spring cords on my 1977 U1. Totally worth it for a $500 piano nonetheless.
You got a Yamaha U1 for $500! That’s a steal! Nice find
Excellent camera work throughout! Not only are you a young tradesman, you know your stuff so well that you can film yourself & STILL make it look “easy.” Thx for keeping your piano clients in-tune & your followers thoroughly satisfied.😊🎄🎹
What seems simple in this timelapse is 8 hours of arduous work which would scare me by its sheer scope.
@MeteCanKarahasan yea too true, I want to do this when I'm a bit older, but the sheer effort is daunting but it's like a dream job lol 😅
@@raiddj476 imagine being young, scared of poverty and having nothing but time!
I missed you man! Please make more of these videos! I'm starting to learn piano tuning and repairing, and you're such an inspiration to me.
You’ll get quicker the more of these you do! You’ll get down to about 3 hours after a few more. Thanks to Yamaha for all the work they provide us! Haha.
When my grandparents moved out of their house, we couldn't get the piano in the basement out because some renodels that had been done over the previous 40 years removed the path that was used to put it in. It was falling apart, horribly out of tune, the keys were disintegrating, and the keycaps were potentially iviry so it would have been illegal to sell anyways, so we just decided to dismantle and get rid of it piece by piece. It was a 90+ year old upright piano, the soundboard was a single massive brass cast that took 9 grown men to get up the stairs and out the door. When we eventually got the action upstairs, I decided I wanted to keep a part of it, so I sawed off a third of it and my uncle took the other 2/3. I eventually plan to turn it into a piece of art to hang on the wall, but I need to restore it first since most of the felt is falling off as well. Once it's done, it'll be an interesting piece from my family's history since it's the piano my mkm grew up with, my aunt grew up playing, and I grew up around.
You deserve every cent you get bro. Real dedication
Man, you make this look so easy! You defintely know your trade. It's always fun to watch you at work. I shy away from gluing stuff if I can. The glue ends up more on me than what I'm trying to glue.
Have a very Merry Christmas and a happy and blessed New Year, Josiah!
Amazing to see the details inside. Yeay for little brothers! I have a cleaning business and understand about the satisfaction of getting those crevices all cleaned out.
I am a piano technician !
I am 19 y.o.
I began this passion at 13 y.o.
I think that you have a lot of things to learn yet ! I watch sometimes your videos, you make some mistakes sometimes, but you will progress.
Very cool, had no idea something so simple could effect the whole piano. Thank you for sharing
Watching these vids is satisfying
I really appreciate what you do
8 hours of work for a single piano is crazy. What would something like this cost?
It’s about a $900 job.
What a job! I admire you building your business so young!
This inspired me to buy a digital one
They are definitely a lot easier and never have to worry about tuning
That’s a huge amount of work. Those little wires you replaced are so important to the pianos action.
Excellent job indeed!
This was so cool to watch! It amazes me how incredibly intricate pianos are. I would love to take the course learn a trade and repair my old piano I have in my home!
Glad you liked the video! There is a big need for piano tuners all around the world right now. It would be awesome to have someone else in the field. Best of luck
As soon as I saw the piano, I knew it was those hammer butt flange cords. I like to replace the flanges with new ones. You don’t have to measure the cord length when replacing the flange. It costs about $125 to buy a new set of flanges from schaff.
Taking the Piano Tuning Course is one of my 2024 resolutions - I’m starting to save for it January 1 😊
excellent views of this process!
t.y for the education.
You are ..the Piano Man! 🌟
You have made a great educational video that is also fun to watch!
So satisfying to watch❤
It’s so nice to see you carrying this work out for people. I had this problem with my piano and the technician I was using said “you’re not a good enough pianist to notice this problem” and refused to fix it for me
Enjoy following along. Cheers from West Texas
That was really interesting. Painstaking work!
It's gonna cost an arm & a leg to fix my piano but I really want it done. How I wish you were in central Mississippi.
Thansk for sharing it
Really hardwork, extensive, but not so complicated.. it's a matter of patience and attention.
Amazing! I had a similar Yamaha with such a weird problem on one key. Great to finally know what was wrong.
That's amazing! I like your socks :)
I'd love to see a little clock on the table when you time-lapse, to show it spinning around as you go through the action.
1:37 Wow so much colors!
After you took the PTA course, how soon did you start a business? I’ve heard some recommend tuning several hundred pianos first for practice, while others just start right away.
Não entendo a maior parte das coisas, mas meu deus, é bom escutar ele falar. Tao calmo, as palavras tao bem pronunciadas
I like your videos keep it up
This is great information! Question. It seems like more often than this, I find the bridle straps dry rotted, and sometimes it doesn’t cause serious problems if it’s one note. I’ve seen it occur on multiple to where I asked the owner, “What is this piano worth to you?” If they want it repaired, I’ll do the research and order parts, otherwise I’ll let them know it’s not worth continuing the job if they only wanted to see the potential of fixing it.
I really enjoy your videos! Good time lapse edit. Is that a U2? Curious what years were bad. And if you can submit a claim to Yahama for the work?
I would love a video that tells the story of your training.
Being a piano technician is my dream job but in my city there's only one guy who is a piano technician, and he is full-time employed by the college and like 80 lol, we're friends but he's very busy.
That was cool ❤
Someone buy that boy a 24 pack of beer!
Very cool video! What was the song u played in the end called? Tysm if u awnser.
"A lot of piano work is doing the same thing 88 times." Too true.
What is the price range for a fix like this?
That looks identical to the action in this Baldwin Ellington upright I got from my neighbors when they moved out a year or two ago. I really need to find someone who can help me figure out how to finish putting it back together... >.>
That's what little brothers are for. Lol.
Got the same problem on my yamaha M1J😢 I was wondering from where the weird touch was coming and it’s that
an advice is start cleaning from the top of the piano this way the dust will not fall into the piano area that u aready cleaned
tunelab ftw
Would be interesting to know how much you charge for each thing you do
Up where I live, piano repair people are scarce and piano tuners are just as much. What would you suggest?
In many of your videos the tuning process is shown fast and via app support. Do you actually tune temperation deviations by ear or just set the strings to the theoretical tuning?
Mark rober made made an explanation of the mechanics of the piano😊
Master
Its amazing that these things are so highly engineered, yet you can easily get one for free a lot of the time because people are just trying to get rid of them. Lol
I feel like the video should be called something like: fixing yamahas spring chord defect
Something like that
Those parts look so fragile, I'm surprised pianos last so long
In future, remove the hammers with the flanges, number them. You were lucky not to lose the bridle tapes. Then remove the flanges and do the chords.
Fishing wire IS NOT USED but action chord, from your repair supplier, but most in the USA only supply IMIT etc registered technicians.
The fluttering hammer was not caused by this though, the butt springs return the hammer quickly. The set off of back rest were out of alignment, maybe the action was not sitting in correctly, bring as the mute rail is missing I’d guess that was the likely cause. Having done the required repair, you clearly put the action in properly fixing the issue.
Yamahas have loads of problems over the decades, they never admit to issues, even the grands which never hold tune they refused to admit there was a problem.
Good fix though! But next time make your live easier and disconnect the bridle tapes and remove the entire hammer. It makes the job easier :-).
Whats the tunning app?
Are the hammers identical to each other, or are there different ones depending on the connected key?
The bass hammers are bigger and heavier (more felt), the hammers get smaller as you go up in pitch (less and less felt). Good digital pianos have a 'graded hammer action' to simulate the feel of an acoustic action, such that the bass keys feel heavier, then the keys feel lighter as you go up in pitch.
Awesome work! Do you mind revealing a ball park cost of this particular service? Thanks!
It depends on cost-of-living in your area, and how much the tuner charges per hour, but generally $700+
At the beginning of the video, I could fix that. By the end? Id rather not.
How much did this job cost?
Yamaha should have recalled it and fixed it under warranty!
700$ to change all of those spring cords in an Upright piano, just out of curiosity.. would it be twice the price for changing all those in a Grand piano? Since Grand cost almost twice the price of an Upright (i guess).
I think it'd be the same price.
What music do you listen to while you work on things like this?
Bach’s 3rd concerto. Haha, seriously though, I really like the band “AJR” so I listen to a lot of their music
@@PianoDoctor If it were me, That first response would be accurate 💀
Do you work without shoes for a reason? Like Beethoven felt the vibrations, just wondering?
Honestly, the reason is that my feet get too hot if I keep my shoes on all day haha :)
$700 is so cheap for this! 8h of expert labor? More, actually, since you had an assistant.
Why use modern wood glue rather than something reversible like hide glue which I've seen you use in another video so the repair can be made again in the future? Do you at least take the time to check unfamiliar makes and models to make sure you perform period accurate repairs on period instruments?
It's not always strait forward recognising a period instrument since a piano from the 1850s with the latest technology of the time can look and sound almost the same as a 1930s piano so it can be easy to perform the wrong repair if you see one from this era for the first time thinking it's far more recent than it actually is.
When working on my organ, all I have to do is get the glue wet and reuse it even though it's more than 100 years old while recent repairs like plastic straps on the pedals and plastic key tops need to be discarded but I was lucky enough for modern wood glue not to be found anywhere so no damage has to be made to completely take it apart making restoration so much easier.
Note everyone else that grand pianos especially the action are a lot different
I'm glad I have an electric piano 😊😊
I have a Yamaha UX5 (1985 Japanese made and imported to UK)
I had all the spring cords renewed because one was broken and thought whilst they had the piano apart they might as well do them all.
Prevention is better than cure.
I also have it tuned every 4 months to concert pitch.
Phishing problem
ay hello mate
8 lb test?
I would not have the patience for that 😂
This is one reel I did not enjoy, I absolutely hate doing this repair😂. If you’re ever in the Chicago area and want to try out any electromechanical keyboards lmk, I always get weird shit in the shop
This is very cool but sounds absolutely horrible to have to do.
At what point is it too expensive to fix an issue like this? Do people ever just buy a new piano if it costs too much to fix?
I got one of these for $100. I just wouldn't have paid 2800, the asking price at a dealer. I fix pianos too, so it was a no brainer.
It depends on the pianos sentimentality. Normally if the repair exceeds the value of the piano I encourage using the money for a new piano. In this particular case, this studio Yamaha is probably worth around $1,200-$1,500 depending on location, and the repair for this can be around $500. Great investment for a great piano. If the piano had to be restrung for example, that would cost $4,000-$,6000 just for the restring alone. Unless the piano means a lot to the owner I encourage using the money for a newer piano.
I bought a Yamaha u1 for $500 with a couple of these cords broken, so I just decided to replace all of them two days ago. It took me two days on holiday instead of paying $2500+ for a U1 from a dealer.
100% worth it as it’s very easily DIY-able, albeit definitely intimidating at first glance. Took me $15 worth of materials to fix.
If the piano is solid and reasonable to play.
I saw some major work (more than this) done on someone's ancient "Grandma's" piano. And it was still awful to play, but "it looks nice and reminds me of Grandma" - and never played.
Now that we have electronic pianos, there are other options.
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I think you repeat things 87 times not 88. If you repeat things 88 times then you performed the function 89 times.