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As an old electronics technician let me explain FET circuits, if you're interested. Amplification in days of old was done with vacuum tube. Electricity flows from the cathode across the grid where the signal comes in and modulates the flow. This controls the amplified voltage in the output. Rather straight forward. Transistors are usually three doped substrates and the way they work is so weird they had us sit in class until we could individually explain to the instructor. It actually uses quantum mechanics. A key difference happens near saturation. Tubes give off odd harmonics producing a complex warm sound. Transistors give off even harmonics leading eventually to a square wave, an ugly noisy sound. FET stands for Field Effects Transistor. It is a substrate with two additional substrates that regulate flow. Essentially it emulates the tube circuit and produces odd harmonics. Additionally being solid state it would have better transient response. FETs are the magic in distortion pedals and the power stage of amplifiers. Selecting a tube or FET compressor depends on desired transient response.
I think as far as I ve been told over the years and I even measured it once that the tubes are most prominent in even and the transistor in odd, but otherwise both exhibit both, only the proportion differs..... as I faintly remember some power amp architectures even used mos-fets
My 2 cents as a former major label producer. These work good on vocals especially, you can add a opto compressor at the end of your vocal chain to glue it together. I usually have the FET first with eq next though sometimes depending I'll have the eq before the first compressor in the chain, then eq's after the FET and the final would be an opto compressor. I think anyting over 6 or 7 dbs of compression is too much as a general rule. So my chain might look like on a vocal, de-esser, eq, FET, eq and opto compressor last.
@@alexpuertasjr You're welcome. On the first EQ before the FET compressor I usually just roll off the lows for male vocals around 100Hz and Female vocals you can go much higher. As a general rule there's no need to compress that range below those numbers.
I love the Studio One FET comp for the main drum bus and also on a parallel drum compression bus. On the parallel bus I push the compressor hard for grit and punch and blend to taste depending on the song. Works great.
Just another great video that goes beyond the topic covering broader range of valuable details on S1 but also including Grammar. Thx for this new one. Presonus Fatchannel is a great native tool.
i love this compressor, useful to recap on it and clarify my understanding. i do have a question which I haven't been able to find in the manual last time I checked - in the mixer, the gain reduction will show in yellow. are the levels showing in the volume meter in the mixer showing me the level after or before that gain reduction? I notice that I've quite liked the sound of really pushing this compressor so the channels showing as going into the red, but its showing me lots of gain reduction. I've also noticed that this doesn't seem to equate to clipping the master though, so is it actually clipping or not?
Hi @joe gilder. Great video. I need to ask a question about noise gates. If you're recording acoustic guitar with paired mics into 2 mono tracks to use as a stereo pair through a stereo bus in a room with some amount of outside noise, is it possible to use a noise gate on the way in? In other words, applying the gate settings reduce the unwanted outside noise whilst doing the tracking itself? Is this possible? How is this done? Many thanks, Kev
Busy switching over to studio one from another DAW which gives me issues regards drop outs and cpu usgae since their last update although my PC specs is more than double they reccomend. Causing me embarissing moments with clients while recording. At the moment I go through all you videos even if they double to learn Studio one. I need to know at the moment if there is any gain reduction meter or indication while using the FAT channel. Using a basic vocal preset with the normal compressor. It sounds like it is working but I would like to see howe much gain reduction there is. When using the basic compressor on its own I can see some gain reduction.
My MacBook doesn't have an F1. Is there a key on Mac that opens the manual to the exact position like the F1 does? Thanks. --EDIT-- I discovered that I can hold down the 'fn' (Function) key and F1 thru F12 appears on the Touch Bar! I thought I would edit this comment in case anyone else with an M1 MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar has the same question.
My answer would be try all you have available, listen to what happens when you start adding compression. You can add more than one of various types to get even more variety. I'm thinking serial compression, comp1 output goes into to comp2, and there could be comp3, or more too. Parallel compress where you mix dry and wet is another choice. FET like this or 1176 types is fast and attacks transients more than others, optical ones like LA-2A are more like a leveler IMO, then ones like the variable Mu as in Manley and Fairchild types tend to be less quick and I think thicken everything. VCA style is another, I tend to think that's sounding kinda like FET.
It really depends on how precise you need the gain reduction to be. Do you want to make quiet parts louder, almost as if you’re gain riding automation? Then use a digital compressor. Do you want a more broad gain reduction that brings the levels more closely toward each other, perhaps with a bit of coloring? Then go for something like an Opto compressor. This is just a rule of thumb, of course.
Another thought to add, the EQs and compressors that act more surgical I tend to use in the various mixer input channels (vocal piano bass drums, etc.) as opposed to what I think of as broad brush versions. Those I reserve for mastering in most cases. I use those last to broadly shape things just a bit and add lots of coloration. Example of my own mix would be something on the lines of Studio One stock EQ (a Waves F6 and Tokyo Dawn Nova are ones I actually use), including the dynamic versions of EQ, then something like an 1176 style compressor. I myself almost always will serial compress with a second different compressor, like the classic 1176 into LA-2A setup. It's not a hard and fast rule however. Last is my Pulsar Mu and Massive, a broad brush compressor and EQ that was modeled after the Manley Variable Mu and Massive Passive. Just my humble opinion.
Some of the time I'll try my cymbals going through a crushed FET but most time I just send it to the main mix and put a seperate compressor on the overhead channels. Alot depends on the performance and the drummer too!!
Hi, check out this video to learn more about side chaining in Studio One: czcams.com/video/9zsoHk4K-uI/video.html (This video showcases Sidechain Compression in Studio One, but this technique works for all kinds of effects). -GBY
Never gate while recording It's better in post always because if you have a great performance and things are getting cut off it can be very frustrating to say the least
Good afternoon. I live in the Republic of Belarus. But I can't pay for your software. I've been saving up for it for 3 months now, but you have restricted the purchase in your store. Although you can safely pay for products from other software manufacturers in the USA. I always thought that music was outside politics, but I was probably wrong... It's a pity that I can't get the upgrade from version 5 to version 6. You will have to buy Cubase 12 because payments to Germany go through without problems. There is no limit to my disappointment...
S1 has this as an option, a checkbox to turn colors on. I might be thinking of the wrong place to get it, but I thought it's under the wench symbol. In Joe's setup there, see the greyish area far left, just before the medium blue first channel strip group. After you get colors on, clicking (maybe double click) on the bottom of the fader where names can show, like Joe's first fader says DRUMS, you'll get the color choices.
Your're an awesome dude and I've watched many of your Studio One Tutorials however that FET Comp in Presonus is not very good. The recording was a little muddy and the compressor to my ears just made the mud louder. I know drums is one of the most difficult instrument to record for many reasons. I've done some trial and error things over the years. It's really the only way to figure this stuff out. In my opinion Presonus should not try to make plug ins modeling vintage gear. The recording software is their baby and I've been using it for years but when they try to venture off into plug in land it's a bit of a detrement to their products. They should do an agreement with true makers of great Plugins and make discounted buying options for Studio One Users. Everytime I see something from Presonus and the person say this thing is really cool that's my first red flag.. In our business we don't need real cool we need very accurate and close the the hardware sound. Anyway I really appreciate eveything you've been doing over the years. God Bless
Not really following this one too much, it's kinda all over the place. If I see a title like this, I expect it to be basically about using the comp, with examples. Yeah, that's here but it's a looooong time before you really get to the actual topic (well, in use). The reason I'm whining is because it's far too often in youboob vids. You see a title, you want to know more about it.........and........you get a bunch of other stuff (sans the "manual" guide, I always forget that with presonus stuff, you can do that) Just bitchy today, probably best to ignore me lol.
As an old electronics technician let me explain FET circuits, if you're interested. Amplification in days of old was done with vacuum tube. Electricity flows from the cathode across the grid where the signal comes in and modulates the flow. This controls the amplified voltage in the output. Rather straight forward. Transistors are usually three doped substrates and the way they work is so weird they had us sit in class until we could individually explain to the instructor. It actually uses quantum mechanics. A key difference happens near saturation. Tubes give off odd harmonics producing a complex warm sound. Transistors give off even harmonics leading eventually to a square wave, an ugly noisy sound. FET stands for Field Effects Transistor. It is a substrate with two additional substrates that regulate flow. Essentially it emulates the tube circuit and produces odd harmonics. Additionally being solid state it would have better transient response. FETs are the magic in distortion pedals and the power stage of amplifiers. Selecting a tube or FET compressor depends on desired transient response.
I think as far as I ve been told over the years and I even measured it once that the tubes are most prominent in even and the transistor in odd, but otherwise both exhibit both, only the proportion differs..... as I faintly remember some power amp architectures even used mos-fets
Would love to see the all the different individual EQ and Comp units available separately outside of Fat Channel in a future update to S1 :)
Yes
My 2 cents as a former major label producer. These work good on vocals especially, you can add a opto compressor at the end of your vocal chain to glue it together. I usually have the FET first with eq next though sometimes depending I'll have the eq before the first compressor in the chain, then eq's after the FET and the final would be an opto compressor. I think anyting over 6 or 7 dbs of compression is too much as a general rule. So my chain might look like on a vocal, de-esser, eq, FET, eq and opto compressor last.
Good tip thanks! Going to try this
@@alexpuertasjr You're welcome. On the first EQ before the FET compressor I usually just roll off the lows for male vocals around 100Hz and Female vocals you can go much higher. As a general rule there's no need to compress that range below those numbers.
HOW HAVE I NEVER KNOWN ABOUT THE INTERACTIVE MANUAL?? Awesome!
I love the Studio One FET comp for the main drum bus and also on a parallel drum compression bus. On the parallel bus I push the compressor hard for grit and punch and blend to taste depending on the song. Works great.
I've been using Studio One for a couple years now and I had no idea about the interactive manual. That's super cool.
Hahaha I love how natural you are in you're videos. Dive, dove, dived, I tripped too
Just another great video that goes beyond the topic covering broader range of valuable details on S1 but also including Grammar. Thx for this new one. Presonus Fatchannel is a great native tool.
Fat channel was why I bought a Studiolive 32r for all my live shows, and I also use it on almost everything in Studio One, GREAT!!!!!
This videos are great Joe! make of of each fat channel comp and eq!
How good is the F1 tip, brilliant. Thanks Joe
Awesome Joe, Thank you!
Woah! Having the manual there is so handy, I had no idea this option was inside SO. Thanks!
Спасибо, всё четко и ясно=)
I needed this. Don't know why I never asked Mr Gilder about it.
I love this!
Great explanation!
always entertaining and educative JG keep it above bro
Yeah that manual in that format is really useful.
I came here to learn about Studio One.., sorry but the voice of this guy is so great and outstanding, that I decided to post a comment
Use a level meter after fat channel in you're chain to make sure you're not clipping the signal
excellent. well told.
Gooood.. So Good
I will work with this more I never use it didn’t understand it thank you for this
Excellent Joe
i love this compressor, useful to recap on it and clarify my understanding. i do have a question which I haven't been able to find in the manual last time I checked - in the mixer, the gain reduction will show in yellow. are the levels showing in the volume meter in the mixer showing me the level after or before that gain reduction? I notice that I've quite liked the sound of really pushing this compressor so the channels showing as going into the red, but its showing me lots of gain reduction. I've also noticed that this doesn't seem to equate to clipping the master though, so is it actually clipping or not?
You are Awesome Joe! LOL LOL🤣😂
We need the bypass button on the splitter and mono button on the mixtool. Please presonus. The tickets are there
I really hope to see a direct mid/side on the splitter
Joe "I'm not an electronic person" Gilder has a nice ring to it.
Thanks
Hi @joe gilder. Great video. I need to ask a question about noise gates. If you're recording acoustic guitar with paired mics into 2 mono tracks to use as a stereo pair through a stereo bus in a room with some amount of outside noise, is it possible to use a noise gate on the way in? In other words, applying the gate settings reduce the unwanted outside noise whilst doing the tracking itself? Is this possible? How is this done? Many thanks, Kev
13:50 it's collector, you made me laugh 🤣🤣
Have you made a video for the Tube Comp?
Nice❤❤
Busy switching over to studio one from another DAW which gives me issues regards drop outs and cpu usgae since their last update although my PC specs is more than double they reccomend.
Causing me embarissing moments with clients while recording.
At the moment I go through all you videos even if they double to learn Studio one. I need to know at the moment if there is any gain reduction meter or indication while using the FAT channel. Using a basic vocal preset with the normal compressor. It sounds like it is working but I would like to see howe much gain reduction there is.
When using the basic compressor on its own I can see some gain reduction.
Great video, many of these home studio trainers should use your tip of the Help database instead of looking like fools
Is it possible to connect 2 audio interface??? In studio one I have 32 ch input for recording and a 2 ch presonus for Listening 🎧?
How would you do serial compression with the Fat Channel in Studio One? Just use the Fat Channel twice as 2 inserts?
Using these particular comps on a bus, does it maintain the stereo field?
How to global copy shortcut? Like in cubase
My MacBook doesn't have an F1. Is there a key on Mac that opens the manual to the exact position like the F1 does? Thanks.
--EDIT-- I discovered that I can hold down the 'fn' (Function) key and F1 thru F12 appears on the Touch Bar! I thought I would edit this comment in case anyone else with an M1 MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar has the same question.
What's the Key listen for?
How about you demonstrate that
How do you determine which eq/compressor you use, regarding mixing as opposed to what you use in mastering?
My answer would be try all you have available, listen to what happens when you start adding compression.
You can add more than one of various types to get even more variety. I'm thinking serial compression, comp1 output goes into to comp2, and there could be comp3, or more too. Parallel compress where you mix dry and wet is another choice.
FET like this or 1176 types is fast and attacks transients more than others, optical ones like LA-2A are more like a leveler IMO, then ones like the variable Mu as in Manley and Fairchild types tend to be less quick and I think thicken everything. VCA style is another, I tend to think that's sounding kinda like FET.
It really depends on how precise you need the gain reduction to be. Do you want to make quiet parts louder, almost as if you’re gain riding automation? Then use a digital compressor. Do you want a more broad gain reduction that brings the levels more closely toward each other, perhaps with a bit of coloring? Then go for something like an Opto compressor. This is just a rule of thumb, of course.
Another thought to add, the EQs and compressors that act more surgical I tend to use in the various mixer input channels (vocal piano bass drums, etc.) as opposed to what I think of as broad brush versions. Those I reserve for mastering in most cases. I use those last to broadly shape things just a bit and add lots of coloration.
Example of my own mix would be something on the lines of Studio One stock EQ (a Waves F6 and Tokyo Dawn Nova are ones I actually use), including the dynamic versions of EQ, then something like an 1176 style compressor. I myself almost always will serial compress with a second different compressor, like the classic 1176 into LA-2A setup. It's not a hard and fast rule however. Last is my Pulsar Mu and Massive, a broad brush compressor and EQ that was modeled after the Manley Variable Mu and Massive Passive.
Just my humble opinion.
Delved?
The key filter setting high passes the compression fyi 🙂👍
In some cases but not always
It would be nice to have a mix/wet knob for each compressor & eq
The S1 manual actually is bad and a regular PDF would be far more useful. However, this was a fantastic video and Joe clearly knows his shit.
Whats the best way to deal with the cymbals
Some of the time I'll try my cymbals going through a crushed FET but most time I just send it to the main mix and put a seperate compressor on the overhead channels. Alot depends on the performance and the drummer too!!
How dare you talk about our home town like that. Lol yazoo city rocks!!!!!
How to sideChain Effects in Studio 1?
Hi, check out this video to learn more about side chaining in Studio One: czcams.com/video/9zsoHk4K-uI/video.html
(This video showcases Sidechain Compression in Studio One, but this technique works for all kinds of effects). -GBY
How do you get away with recording drums and not needing gates?
Never gate while recording It's better in post always because if you have a great performance and things are getting cut off it can be very frustrating to say the least
Good afternoon. I live in the Republic of Belarus. But I can't pay for your software. I've been saving up for it for 3 months now, but you have restricted the purchase in your store. Although you can safely pay for products from other software manufacturers in the USA. I always thought that music was outside politics, but I was probably wrong... It's a pity that I can't get the upgrade from version 5 to version 6.
You will have to buy Cubase 12 because payments to Germany go through without problems.
There is no limit to my disappointment...
Why the colors in your session are so beautiful and not like my session...its so comfortable to my eyes
S1 has this as an option, a checkbox to turn colors on. I might be thinking of the wrong place to get it, but I thought it's under the wench symbol. In Joe's setup there, see the greyish area far left, just before the medium blue first channel strip group.
After you get colors on, clicking (maybe double click) on the bottom of the fader where names can show, like Joe's first fader says DRUMS, you'll get the color choices.
Your're an awesome dude and I've watched many of your Studio One Tutorials however that FET Comp in Presonus is not very good. The recording was a little muddy and the compressor to my ears just made the mud louder. I know drums is one of the most difficult instrument to record for many reasons. I've done some trial and error things over the years. It's really the only way to figure this stuff out. In my opinion Presonus should not try to make plug ins modeling vintage gear. The recording software is their baby and I've been using it for years but when they try to venture off into plug in land it's a bit of a detrement to their products. They should do an agreement with true makers of great Plugins and make discounted buying options for Studio One Users. Everytime I see something from Presonus and the person say this thing is really cool that's my first red flag.. In our business we don't need real cool we need very accurate and close the the hardware sound. Anyway I really appreciate eveything you've been doing over the years. God Bless
Presonus Woke Customer Service fried my PC with their advice so I went to Reaper. But Joe Gilder is royalty still.
I absolutely don't use Studio One anymore. I only work with Cubase.
Not really following this one too much, it's kinda all over the place. If I see a title like this, I expect it to be basically about using the comp, with examples. Yeah, that's here but it's a looooong time before you really get to the actual topic (well, in use). The reason I'm whining is because it's far too often in youboob vids. You see a title, you want to know more about it.........and........you get a bunch of other stuff (sans the "manual" guide, I always forget that with presonus stuff, you can do that) Just bitchy today, probably best to ignore me lol.
awful vid
If you are going to do a tutorial may I suggest you study the manual before you embarrass yourself. Winging it again.