Analogue Duo - CD and HuCard Heaven for PC Engine and TurboGrafx? :: RGB327 / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- The Analogue Duo is finally here, offering a new way to play PC Engine, TurboGrafx, and SuperGrafx HuCard games, not to mention, it's the first FPGA console to offer a CD drive! Coury and Try put it through its paces to find any weird edge case compatibility issues, ponder about missing features, see how its audio/video quality measures up, and if it can benefit from 4K upscaling!
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► Episode Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:09 - Who is PC Engine and Duo for?
03:20 - First impressions
04:41 - Video output
10:38 - Upgrade to 4K?
15:07 - Audio analysis
18:45 - Analogue OS
21:31 - Accessories, compatibility, and quirks
30:01 - Edge case testing
34:56 - Ending - Hry
15:05 I like how pupper decides to get up and get your dac for you. Good doggie.
I'm loving seeing the amount of videos coming from this channel again. Keep it up you two!
Oh hell yeah, Try! Glad you were able to get this uploaded before dinner. Can’t wait to dig in!
[Try4ce] Everything that could go wrong uploading this went wrong!
I like to think that Try is a mercenary of peace on the retro gaming community
I like the juxtaposition of "mercenary" and "peace". Excellent choice of words.
The review I’ve been waiting for!
Whoa, I guess I should have expected an almost 40 min video from you guys going in-depth😊. Looking forward to mine finally arriving in time for Christmas.
Love your videos, guys! Beautiful hardware / software pan shots and great on point information.
EXCELLENT video! Also loved the DAC toss with Sandy's reaction.
It feels like so much new MLiG content! It's wonderful!
What a great review.
Thank you for calling out the ickiness of Analogue OS on a big screen. I adore my Mega Sg and it’s personality, such a shame to see Analogue’s systems feel so much more generic.
Analogue: They have good products but the shipping and customer support is a disaster. For example, they charge you to send it by FedEx and finally they send your package via USPS, they charge wrong taxes on their products, the list goes on and on. Ahh the worst of all is that they don't do anything to improve. (Fan of the channel)
I got my Shipping email this morning, super pumped to get in some SHMUP time in before the holidays. Every question I had about the DUO was covered here, thanks!
Love your videos.. you guys always deliver. Thank you!
The best review so far for the Duo. Thanks for all the work that went into this. I am awaiting my unit. Bummer about the everdrive 1 as that is what I have. On your note about CD music there is another reason for them to include it and that is CD+G. The DUO was a great way to experience CD+G and I hope they bring that back to the DUO.
Here at Analogue we consolized a pocket added a CD drive and a card port and removed the openfpga feature. ☺👍
Makes me not want to buy the surely overpriced Analogue 64. No ooenfpga and bad os are a no go. Plus cheap hardware flaws like bad ejecting disc drive and the cards not sticking out as intended. Makes this whole thing feel cheap and pointless. 💯
@@nicolasrolke3538 Yeah. This review was fair, but also .. uh... awfully _kind._ Given the price, the access you'll (not) get for hacking it, and their reputation for selling out and never bothering to stock any more, I don't see any reason to care about this.
OG hardware, emulator, or Mister. I think Analogue's time has passed.
I love this video. It’s so relaxing and I get very excited about this console and the games.
Thank you
It’s so great to see you guys again
Waiting for that annual end of year gaming pickups lads!
Here the same! It’s strange that they didn‘t upload it yet. When i remember right, they post the Video the last years on the 31 of December, right?
I've been waiting for this! Another great analysis!
two videos in almost only one week apart? you made my day!
I liked it when Try tossed the DAC and Sandy went for it. lol
Now this is the video I've been waiting for :)
While it is disappointing to see all the shortcomings from the Duo (especially compared to practically all of their previous systems), I'm glad to see it still works perfectly well for playing the games, which is what matters the most. Hopefully future updates will fix the issues and give us all the features we are used to from Analogue stuff. As someone who has never owned anything from PCE and currently just has a Turbo Everdrive, an 8BD controller, and a pile of CD-Rs, it looks like the Duo is my perfect entry to the PCE scene.
GTFO virtually nobody has these games and they're very hard to come by they should have made it so you could play ROMs off on SD card
@liamconverse8950 dude wtf is wrong with you chill out. Hell I have ALOT of TurboGrafx-16 games and a handful of PC-ENGINE games. The TurboGrafx-16 was my first console, why the hell do you reply to someone's comment with 'gtfo' your acting like this dude was after you. Seriously what's wrong with everyone?
Had this thing come out before the Tink 4K there would be no complaints. A $750 scaler has basically spoiled a lot of these retro channels. Never mind that the Tink costs 3 times as much as this whole system- they’ve been spoiled by a world class scaler. :)
@@sage11x I find it hard to believe that playing 16-bit games at 4k is actually an improvement
@@liamconverse8950it is and it is not. Sharp pixels look best on fixed pixel displays if they are scaled up to the display resolution. 1080p on a 1080p screen looks great but on a.4k screen the same image needs to be 4k to look just as good.
We basically buy new tvs and make out old stuff look worse, so we buy new scaler to return to the status quo.
This is one of the best reviews for the Duo. I really want one but only have 4 games. I'm not sure yet about diving in with an everdrive or other methods. Thanks for your hard work guys!
y'all are on a roll!! the past two RGB 300 vids have risen the bar! ❤
What’s going on with that SD card slot? Nobody seems to be mentioning it really. Is there going to be a jailbreak that can take the place of the Turbo everdrive and using physical games including HU cards AND CD’s???
This channel always deliver 😊!
My Duo is currently in transit, can't wait!!
Brilliant content as usual guys! Analogue has seemed to always listen and incorporate feedback into their firmware updates. Although the Duo feels a bit rushed out the door (every other console has seen several ship delays), I'm sure the functionality will improve overtime. I hope that if the feature set is improved, you'll revisit the Duo for an update.
It's been delayed by 12 months TWICE. A three year development cycle is hardly rushed.
@@blitzerblazinoah6838 the release date was pushed yes, but not after pre-orders were taken. This is the first console that they have released where they made good on the actual ship date. I'm more ok with that than them taking my money and having multiple delays months and years before actually shipping it.
@@synth505 And then there are their insane shipping costs and the fact you can't buy things in one go, meaning double or even triple shipping costs or wait with the risk that they run out of stock again, which was the last point, never having stock.
22:08 I found a trick for
operate the everdrive on the analog duo. You must first start on a
real hucard game, exit the game, insert the everdrive, go to library, select the previous game and launch it, this manipulation allows you to launch the everdrive ✌️✌️✌️
Thanks for the tip, couldn't get mine to work though😖
@@fredyboomboommy turbo express works perfectly 👍
Great video! From an audio perspective I think both MiSTer and the Duo could stand to have a little bit of a low-pass filter, at least in the recording with your video. MiSTer makes this easy because it ships with a ton of presets.
I got mine on Friday. I was bummed, because my TG-16 controller had a larger din connector than the PC-Engine controller. All was not lost though. I set my Hori Rav4 arcade stick to PC mode, plugged it in and it works flawlessly. Good on Analogue for providing that option as well.
Nice job 👍
The DUO in america used the JP PC-Engine/DUO connector don't know why they changed it. The hyperkin TG-16 controller does come with the adapter cable.
There is literally NOTHING good on Analogue with this garbage console. The emulation is VERY inaccurate to a real TurboGrafx-16. Lots of sound issues. Smh you people will eat shit and just tell yourselves it's pasta huh?
The Jailbreak firmware is out now and you can play CD's from the SD card if you want to.
Thanks for the entertainment this past year 😎👍
Hope you had a good🎄🎄 holiday, and here's to a great 2024! 🎇😎👍✌️
Between this and the Retrotink 4K, it's been a really amazing week for nerd stuff. I've got both on order, so I'm a pretty happy dude these days.
Guys, this channel is simply wonderful! you are the best! congratulations!! Big hug from the Brazilian retrogamer community!
I love MLIG. I've learned so much from you wizards.
The dog at 15:07 LOL
Awesome video as always and wow what happened to the colour of the “white” model, thanks for highlighting that. It’s a shame there isn’t at least a 1440p mode akin to the tink 5x and mister as this stage as a minimum but as you said the display filters do look nice.
I suspect cream was used to try and offset any yellowing. Personally, I would have preferred Analogue to have used the off-blue of the Duo-RX instead.
Wow what a Mega test 👍👍
Best ever😊
I miss the master game gunheat at sound test.
Thx
There is something mythical about the PC Engine. Been thinking about getting some kind of PC Engine system and this video will help, thanks.
I started collecting for it back in 2017... Glad I did because prices are just insane. You definitely had to be ready to drop a pretty penny on this collection.
@@bioboost12 fortunately CDs are easy to reproduce.
And loads of games are still cheap.
@darinherrick9224 The only problem I ever hear about those things is that. If it isn't I high quality reproduction that it can possibly strain the laser. I do have a couple box sets from PCE works myself.
Just get yourself a Turbo Duo mini
Awesome overview guys! Can’t wait for mine to arrive!
Got my duo today! I updated the console before running anything. So far everything is working great.
Wonder Boy in Monsterland- what a pleasure to hear a CD version of this! I love that game. Back in the day I tried to buy a JAMMA arcade board of it and the seller pulled the sale when he realised 'it's good isn't it?'. Grrr!
So sad 😭
CRT Trinitron filter looks great, but it SORELY needs a Gamma Boost option!
But that would ruin the color accuracy :(
Then you have to deal with OLED motion blur(With it's 16ms motion persistence Vs a CRT's blur-free 1ms, the latter looks incredible by comparison), at least 10ms of OLED latency if you're lucky(Just scan @1080p) and the entire wonky 'gaming in 4:3' situation that can sky rocket input lag to nearly 30ms, depending, makes this solution feel like two big steps backwards.. I need to watch this entire video before i decide to take the plunge with these NT consoles, while pairing it with something like the new 2024 Samsung 32" QD-OLED(G8)
I'm glad that we have more options and this IS a great way to preserve older consoles, but if i have to deal QD-OLED motion blur and input lag, which IS the case, than I think i may just stick with CRT and the OG Hardware until better TV technology rolls out in the future. It's going to take good QD-OLED black frame insertion with minimal latency, low flicker and low brightness loss to win me over at this point.
I love your content guys keep up the great work!
Lets just say that its difficult not to watch a few of the highest quality channel reviews. But if I needed to choose one review essentially 100% of the time, it would be the MLiG reviews.
I believe the first video I watched from you guys was the original starfox video from years ago.
Started with the framemeister and bob from retrorgb maybe just a hair before you started making videos. Like always this video doesnt disappoint. Your point of view, editing and overall video quality is unmatched.
I love your videos. Great job!
I have to imagine more of the features will get ported over to the new OS/firmware eventually, but I can see why they prioritized getting out this product now rather than delaying it even more.
Great video, as always! Your reviews are always the ones I look forward to the most for new products like this. I loved the Mega SG and Super NT and excitedly pre-ordered this console as soon as it became available. I must say I do feel slightly disappointed seeing the reviews so far. The other consoles felt like elegantly designed, premium products, where as this isn't quite coming across the same. Save states and composite palette are nice features and hopefully some of the glitches can be fixed with updates. That interface is incredibly ugly! Might've been okay on a small pocket screen, but not on my 55" TV!
Congrats Cory and Try, you really have found your groove. Producing great videos at a solid cadence is something I know you guys have been struggling with from watching your live streams, its all in your head; you guys have massive talent, looking forward to the year end vid.
Their main problem is how pretentious and nerdy they are, and how damn long their videos are, but I think they're quite high quality for those looking for that sort of detailed information.
@@anonamatronThey are showing us their authentic selves and I accept them for who they are.
no@@rsmith02
Your dog looks so adorable 💖
Just got my shipment update! Can’t wait!
Unfortunately, the prices of TG16 games being what they are, I will probably never pick this one up. However, from a preservation standpoint it looks like a great system and I'm glad they made it.. I have a TG16 mini and an Analogue Pocket so that'll probably be my doorway to these great games. Now just waiting for another production run of the Analogue DAC to enjoy them on my CRT...As usual from you guys, a thorough review with great editing and production quality. Have a great holiday!
It's up there with Neo Geo prices for sure.
Glad they think of hardware preservation too. I look forward when (if) they release analogue consoles fór 2000s hardware.
The Turbografx was my childhood - when all my friends had sega and nintendo consoles - I was the one weirdo with a Turbo lol. Honestly though, it was absolutely amazing. I loved everything about it! My preorder will be here this week and I can't wait to play through these games again! As always, such an absolutely amazing video. You guys do great work and I love your channel!
Best retro channel, just saying. Thanks MLiG.
People who have never tried the turbografx and pc engine arent gonna have any cd or hu card games, this should have been made to be more easily compatible with the turbo everdrive.
It is exteremely weird that the they didnt consider making a bit more space for the everdrive to fit in normally.
Not gonna lie, I was initially quite disappointed at the lack of detailed adjustments allowed in the Pocket OS & subsequent hardware. I absolutely love the customization ability of previous systems & it's a shame that an advanced menu or something wasn't included in the new OS they are using to allow for more granular adjustments.
Also, not having a feature to increase sprites per scanline is a real head scratcher for this system in particular. Every Analogue console has had this feature and this is probably THE system that would benefit from it the most, as many games have pretty severe sprite flicker.
I think I read somewhere that there’s some homebrew SuperGrafx CD games, it would be interesting if it works on the Duo.
I love Analogue consoles, but with open FPGA and the upcoming 2.0 update, I'm very interested in the differencea between the Duo and Pocket emulation.
exactly. why should i get this and not the Pocket, if i have no interest in the CDs?
The controller port on the side near the back of the console is the deal breaker for me as I don't want to be forced to use 8bitdo wireless controllers. Glad this exists for those that want one though.
Thanks for another great video guys. Do you recommend enabling the Overscan setting?
Also, Cory mentioned having to use Analogue's USB-C cable. Was he still able to use the Anker PD power adapter?
[Try4ce] I think most games look best with the over scan cropped out. A few though look better with it visible, like Valis, where the timer is a bit cut off without it.
I’m perfectly happy with the turbo games I have on my WiiU via virtual console
This is quite shocking, I remember when analogue was unique and cutting edge, with no competition. But it feels like now they’re completely falling apart, rather than trying to keep up with their newly developed competition if feels like they’re releasing increasingly shoddy and sub-par technology… as well as continually being massively expensive and almost impossible to acquire.
Yup. I bought this, and it will be the LAST Analogue console I buy, the Analogue Duo is VERY inaccurate. I've had better TurboGrafx-16 emulation on my damn cell phone. The sound is very inaccurate, also some CD games cause the console to power off. Analogue is a damn joke! And their fans are ridiculous. They will defend this company to death. I bought a Region & RGB modded PC-ENGINE Duo-R and it was the BEST option, oh and... $300. The SAME price as the lazy and cheaply made Analogue Duo
@@lovelorn88nick I have the Super NT and Analogue Pocket and I like them a lot. I don't use them a ton as I'm just not gaming as much outside of PC gaming and like NES/Atari 2600 but I like it. I'm a big portable fan but I use the Switch more. I did order the adapters for the Pocket to get my fix but I'm not sure if I would buy anymore consoles from them as well. Shipping is a nightmare and they just don't seem to want to fix that. I did buy Pocket off ebay where it was pricier but the shipping was free so in the end I pretty much paid for what it would cost from them directly.
A new RGB! It's an Xmas miracle
0:37, that set up in the background looks super groovy
Awesomeness video please do more thanks and merry Christmas ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
Oh snap! They finished the Tengai Makyou translation??? I'm off to grab that.
My Duo should be here in a few days.
Really hoping analogue can do some magic with the OS via firmware updates. Got it for the supergrafx and cd support as I just have the japanese pc engine.
I really like my pc engine duo alot which i bought back in july 5 of this year for $186 for the system only and then had the system to be like new (refurbished) i usually use the av to hdmi converter thing to play the pc engine duo on 16:9 aspect ratio i dont have any issues on the thing i also have akumajou dracula rondo of blood which i got from a trade back in September of this year the pc engine duo is a real awesome system to have. Best regards Nikita.K
You have got to be KIDDING they didn’t anticipate people using everdrives?? That is an egregious oversight. Wow
I was initially interested in this to replace my Duo-R and play my collection in my crt setup. This would have been more appealing than getting my Duo-R RGB modded as I could have that corrected composite colour pallette. It would have been best of both worlds but the lack of support for the DAC atm, OS disappointments , and overall jankiness is enough to keep me away for the moment.
I'm commander Shepard, and this is my favourite retro gaming channel on CZcams.
Always love the content. Great job as always! I'm questioning why the video output resolutions were referred to as "outdated" multiple times, though. Is 4k really the new "standard". Don't get me wrong, I love running my consoles via my RT5X at 6x w/ CRT emulation, but I'm equally happy with scaling old consoles to 1080p, or often 960p when line multiplying via OSSC cuz the output just works better with my TV (4K TCL), and looks great. I think it's also worth acknowledging that adding higher scaling capabilities to the Analog Duo would invariably drive price up, and probably pretty significantly. it should be considered that this device is positioned to compete with price of entry for real hardware, and positioned well at that. I don't think it would be as well positioned and likely loose a good portion of its potential market at a significantly higher price point. Just a fellow retro enthusiast expressing an opinion. Keep up the great work MLiG!
[Try4ce] You shouldn't take me saying that as meaning I think that - it was mostly to address a common sentiment I often see in comments where people have unrealistic expectations for what can be reasonably offered at an affordable enough price in a niche market like retro gaming. So I agree with you 100%! And I think the video shows that it really is an excellent use of 1080p... but if you just have to bring it up to 4K, that can be done too, with extra work and equipment.
I didn't realize that the PCE Mini bonus games had been ripped!
They are mostly just color pallette changes, I really hoped the frequent slowdown in Gradius was fixed, but there are no performance improvements.
Gotta say this obsession with 4K is hilarious to me. I want 16 bit graphics...so I can upscale them to 4K!!! Are you kidding me?
But wait, no!!! I want scanlines over it in glorious 4K!!!
...
Uhhhh
Yeah, I agree. Even on a CRT, the pixels aren't showing up 4K sharp.
Unless they're going for ultra expensive PVM sharpness.
But I'm not that über obsessed with such things, compared to the enthusiasts. I'm fine with 720p or 1080p.
@@Svante It's not about the graphics, it's just headroom for the effects you apply TO the graphics. Filters, and non-integer scaling, namely.
We want two videos:
- The Original Xbox RGB/HD Masterclass
- A 2023/2024 gaming setup video
I just looked at the cost of getting original hardware. OMG I can’t afford them. Never got into the PC Engine, but it looks cool.
HOO NELLY, this gonna be good!
I recently picked up a really nice DUO R. (TG16/CD died 😢) Forgot how awesome the NEC systems are
That front loading disc drive, is a terrible idea. If a disc get stuck in there, you have to take it all apart.
I loved how the dog was about to make that DAC a chew toy!
As a kid, I wish I had the TG-16. I had a NES and a PC (hand-me-down) so my parents didn't feel that I needed another game system. I did get a GameBoy but never the much-drooled-over SNES. I am fascinated by the Duo but at the same time, I'm not ready to shell out that kinda cash on PCE games and getting a Duo and an Everdrive seems pointless. My Analogue Pocket should be here today. I'll be seeing how well it handles PCE ROMs. I would actually love for the TG-16 to be a console on Nintendo Switch Online.
Did the dog eat your anolog Dac 😂 great video guys!
Yeah. The shit that came out had scanlines in it too.
Been a PCEngine owner and fan for many years, this modern release and your video are both very cool to see in 2023 😎👍.
I wanna get an Analog urge Duo and start getting TurboGrafx/PC Engine titles. Because the Analogue Duo can play pretty much the whole pantheon down to the PC FX
Even the Analogue system reviews are a shout out to the RetroTINK 4K.
Good concept.
Since it's already has the CD drive, I'll recommend the latest version of the regular Turbo Everdrive...
I was about to preorder this but after this review I’m not so sure now 😅
@22:20 I have TED v2.5 and the duo will launch it but the ED will say that NO FAT SYSTEM is found. I can pop it into the TG16 though and it works just fine.
Speaking of Lag, how freaking COOL would it be if someone made a set of passthru controller cables with a simple LED connected in line with them for lag testing?
Aka basically just a passthru cable with an LED that lights up whenever a button press is registered. Could have such cables for almost every retro controller plug type & would just be HUGELY helpful vs having to do an LED light mod to every controller for every system you want to test! Could even do this with a lineup of extension cables but have the LED light on the Female end.
Hi, given this is a thorough review, it should be worth mentioning that the save states are not working with the Analogue Duo when using a Turbo Everdrive Pro with Hucard Roms.
I'm one of those who preordered back in May. It seems it will be worth the (long) wait. Hopefully my everdrive will work.
The fact that this wasn't accounted for is mind-blowing. How out of touch do you have to be.... to design a game slot that doesn't allow the use of _THE_ flash cart for the PCE?
A wildly useful console for people who have quite a few games for it. I don't... so I can't justify the price. I am hoping the Analogue N64 fpga is going to be as good. This is a great piece of kit, of course. :)
I downloaded the new Far East of Eden patch a few days ago & it will definitely be the first thing I try on the Duo when mine gets here!
15:06 ... dog is like.. what the hek was that?? hahah..
I knew MLiG was going to tackle the Duo, seeing as how Game Sack, Metal Jesus Rocks, and Jeremy Parish, among others, covered it earlier today.
They were all sent review units at the same time, the embargo was lifted today.
Thanks!
Great video as always!
When are you going to review an OSSC Pro?
Any chance you guys know the correct TED Pro audio settings to use with the Duo? I'm referring to the Left, Right, CDDA and PCM values.