Mid-West Freestyle Canoe 2007 -- Marc Ornstein
Vložit
- čas přidán 27. 04. 2008
- American Freestyle canoeing is the art of paddling a canoe on flat water with perfect control of its movements. The canoe is usually leaned over to the side to help the boat turn sharply and efficiently and paddle strokes are taken on either side of the canoe depending on the individual move. Balance, paddle placement and turn initiation are a few keys to this control. Since the movements seem dance-like, some practice this art timed to music, which is the ultimate in control.
- Sport
It's been a long road but it looks like I finally got to the end of the internet and have now seen everything. And what a magnificent finale this is.
@ KS6DAY
Excellent comment!! 😂
lol i don't know how i've ended up here either.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How did we get here anyway? 😳
WTH I don’t even know u people and I’m here too
Only Ornstein's seat was dry after this masterful display.
E Søgaard my god hahah
Good one
thanks for that
Gold.
At that age, the seats may be wet but not from sheer lust.
The reverse hand side paddle 360 rotation with a hint of knee slap really had me in tears he nailed it
Dude u made me lol xD
😂😂
That was a "high side knuckle duster 360 tail whip".. But honest mistake as they do look nearly similar ✌
@@Hutch0311 it all looked the same - him spinning and or nearly dipping each side of the vessel as close as possible to taking on massive water...without taking on much water...id liek to see how much went in there i suspect thats why he wears black trousers (so you cant tell they are wet). add in a few waves and kisses...5 mins of 80s music awesomeness and a splash of scenic tranquility... and there it is..it was actually captivating at times.
@@Halliday7895 Philistine!
Marc Ornstein's "devil may care" style and flashy tricks are perfect examples of why people are saying the sport is becoming a shadow of what it once was. Though I'm not a fan of Marc and his "hotshot" persona, if it brings more young people into the sport I'm all for it.
😂
That's 'flashy'?? LOL!
It's all the cosmetic surgery that ruins canoeing for me today.
Money and eastern Europeans control the sport nowadays from what I heard...
You say this, but it is the freestyle division. If you cant handle it, stay out of it. This is where the big boys play
And the crowd goes mild
😂
🤣omg dude u got me in a coffin
You made snot come out my nose
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That could be a new yorker bit
This was Ornstein at his peak, before the glitz and the glamour of American freestyle canoeing got to him. Sad story.
I heard he was always fighting his demons behind closed doors..........
heartbreaking story
The Jonny menzel of canoeing if you will
Joe Young i will
His appearance on Johnny Carson 30 years ago was the beginning of his downward spiral.
😂💀💀💀💀
I especially like it when he make the canoe turn around, I love that part.
🤣
Lol
😂😂
Oh yeah, classic
😂
The nod he gives to the DJ at 1:19 is just so precise. Marc is the type of man who knows what he wants and when he wants it. Nothing but respect.
I love how you can clearly tell over youtube that they're playing a Dolby cassette tape on the PA system.
This is a kind of competition where the competitors are also the audience.
Bobby Garafolo very meta
And there family's.
@@samforshee2390 Their* Families*
to good
like ice skating
Now I know how Lewis and Clark persuaded Sacagawea to join the expedition.
Underrated comment.
jerry minnie Lmfao
She would have thought he was a canoe god
Hahahahaha.. holy jebuz that was funny
LMAO
There’s a lot of new young guns comin for the throne, but I’ve yet to see one come close to even a mediocre Ornstein performance. Pure class and talent.
These kids today just never had to pay their dues.
The CZcams algorithm has blessed us once again.
Hello fellow traveler.
Apparently CZcams thinks I'll enjoy this annually... then again I did click on it🤔
Ikr. I was watching rally racing when it recommended this 😂
Usian Bolt is the Marc Ornstein of Olympic running. Been saying it for years....
I don't really think that's a fair comparison yet, but Bolt is still young.
Marc really took a risk going sans jacket, but dare I say the informality seemed to win over the crowd. One thing's for sure, Mid-West freestyle canoing will never be the same.
Thrillho33, I agree. I thought this performance was going to be too bourgeois, but when he took the jacket and sandals off, I stopped worrying.
Gentleman of the word 🙌🏼
You win for best comment of the decade
How is this not the caption for a far side comic?
It was a bold move, for sure. I think we’re going to see a real turn in the sport with the next generation of performers, citing Marc as their inspiration.
A single tear ran down my face, over my quivering lips, and into my soup whilst I watched this emotional spectacle.
The tear salted the soup to perfection.
Thank you, Marc.
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't why the algorithm chose me, but I'm grateful for the experience and have come out of this a better man
Watching an old man in a canoe rowing to lady in red at 10pm ... my life is so fu**ed up...i need some friends
Bro that was probably one of the funniest things I have read in a while. I'd gladly be your friend😂
Otze 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣
At least it's not 3am..
Me too otze...we can be friends...
I'm in the same boat!
Marc Ornstein is the bad boy of freestyle canoe. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
Eddie Barry 😂😂😂
Eddie Barry u
You cant get that good and not be taking HGH
I actually snorted beer out my nose at your comment. Thanks mate.
I didn't know that.
I’m in a committed, loving, long-term relationship. But still… this makes me wonder what else is out there.
I can't believe it took me till 4am to finally find what I never knew I was looking for.
Imagine walking in the woods an hearing some music. So you go check it out and see this
Rick Hagemeijer Hahahahahahhahahahahaha
@@karlsandin4515 This best fucking i ever seen extreme sports it put B.M.X skateboard to shame.
Hahahahaha
@@WILLELLARD81 Some people will call this almost a sport but for me this better then the Superbowl and the world series combined.
Better than hearing banjo music and feeling your cheeks clench....
The first and last freestyle canoe championship. It appears that there is essentially one move, spinning.
Check out Molly Gurien's performance she does some subtle drifting. Also there's another one of these in September and a few freestyle expos/symposiums during the summer. Hope once you check out what freestyle canoeing is all about we see you at one of them, Barry!
Yea but you could clockwise OR counter clockwise
Can't wait to see someone do a kickflip.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's the best fucking part about this whole thing. Theres literally only one fucking move. And the gallery claps every God damn time like it's something new! Fucking fantastic
Its not just spinning. It’s how you spin! 😎
Nice to see everyone again. Looks like I'll be seeing you boys next time the algorithm units us.
Yeah, it's been a long time since I was in a unit.
:)
Don't know what you're talking about... The Algo sucked me in, yes, as it did us all. But I hard searched this... .... ... again... ... ... purely to relive the majesty.
@@aaronwelch5391 hahaha yeah I feel ya
Is that why you all are here? I searched for caneoing videos. LMAOOO
I can't express how dangerously close he was to capsizing and without a life jacket. This sport is not for the faint of heart.
sure, he actually might get his hair wet....
@@janvanruth3485 Doesn't have to worry about the top of it
if someone cant swim that far in without a life jacket, they shouldn't be in a canoe at all
Yeah swimming is hard
@@pumpkinflipper5751 It's potentially a problem in colder weather. Lots of people die from cold water shock, even if the air temperature isn't very cold. Apparently, that can happen in water temperatures as high as 50-60F (10-15C).
Ahhh...
Marc Ornstein. I remember having his poster on the ceiling above my bed as a girl.
Me too as a boy
I would Jill-off for hours staring into his tranquil gaze.
Savage
Bwahahaha hahahahahaha 💀💀💀
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Seeing Marc Ornstein do what Marc Ornstein was born to do make me so proud.
It’s almost as if he was walking on water the way Marc handled than canoe
How dafuq did u get verified!!!??? 🤣
Thanks Jesus!
*makes, Jesus. _Jesus_.
I personally preferred Marc’s 2006 freestyle canoe interpretation of “Bodies hit the Floor”. To each their own.
this choreography is straight up emotional. The fire in his heart. The sway in his veins. All for the lady in red.
The most historically important part of this video is actually at 1:15. Moments after this, Marc coined his nod that's now famously known as 'The Ornstein nod' in the freestyle canoe scene. Others have tried to imitate it, but nobody can get close to the accuracy of his nod. Impressive stuff.
Wayne Gretzky with a hockey stick,
Michael Jordan with a basketball and
Marc Ornstein with a canoe.
They’ve changed the sport forever.
ROFL 🤣.. such a perfect comment.
don't forget the many fallen Heros in tether car racing.
Don't group those other presents with the great Marc Ornstein.
There's a Venn Diagram with a circle for Weird and a circle for Wholesome, and this guy is out there paddling around in the overlap.
Well done Mr. Ornstein.
This is comedy gold.
Such a good comment
His canoe IS the overlap
Honestly this is the best comment in this entire section
I first watched this in 2009 and I am here now in 2023 still tearing up at the elegance and beauty of this careful art. The kiss of my late wife doesn't even come close to this majestic performance.
Marc "Danger" Ornstein's canoe freestyle is enough to bring a grown man to tears. RIP to one of the great canoeist of our time
I liked the part when he made the boat go around in a circle. I like boats and I like circles, so that part was special for me.
This video made me realize it’s time to start chasing my dreams! After all, they don’t call it a “can’t-noe.”
This comment
I'm chooooking!!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Pelican approves.
An epiphany has occurred 🙏
I have no idea why this was on my recommended, but I clicked for the comments. You did not disappoint... Thank you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I just rediscovered my sense of wonder. Thanks, Marc Ornstein and all the fine people that made the 2007 mid-west freestyle canoe paddling championships happen.
This is honestly the best comments section I've ever scrolled through
Same!
😂🤣👏👏
I have never enjoyed comments so much!
Try "How To Lose 15 pounds in 7 days with Peel-a-Pound Soup"
Me too, I'm in tears 🤣🤣🤣
I'm likely going straight to hell for laughing, but i can't hepp it.
The poise. The majesty. The laser focus in Marc's eyes was betrayed only by the grace in his every paddle stroke. Exquisite choice of paddle, I might add. Most of you will recognize it as a Swiss Ash. Marc had it turned out especially for this event by legendary paddlesman, Lars Ramuk. The craftsmanship is second to none as you can see by the way it cuts through the green-billed water with all the old world charm of a Plumed Stirlite whilst rivaling the propelling power of the modern Two-Pieced Joshua Bolts of Nigerian fame. However, the paddle, for all it's quality, is but an after thought if it weren't for the man wielding it. You see, Marc doesn't just paddle with an oar, but with his heart. Gently stirring the pond just as one's seat of emotions might be stirred by a tender moment or a bittersweet parting. For a few brief moments on this special evening Marc commanded the hearts and minds of every man, woman, and child on this mortal coil. And just as quickly as he stole from us our very will, he returned it, in humble supplication. Thank you, Marc. We owe you a tremendous debt of gratitude for sharing with us the maritime beauty of your life's work. Glide on, good sir. Glide on.
I simply cannot stop laughing from the masterfully written comment of Aaron M. It has resounding effects that last well beyond the moment of consumption. Days, weeks, months my abs still crumble at the intensity of the foreborn comment of a thee. This wins the internet.
Someone's great grandpa is really out here hawking them truth loogies
This is incredible lol
Holy Fu-+ !!!! This is beautiful
Lmao the best freestyle paddles are made in canada ,ie ray kettlewell,- bruce smith- fishel paddles- etc etc.. usually from black cherry or birdseye maple...
I would die to get a version narrated by David Attenborough.
Nah Snoop Dogg
Sir David would crush this hard than Ornie crushes bitches
Ozzyman
14 years and this video still bangs
Surprised hes not sponsored yet by the RedBull Canoe Team.
Actually got a recommended video from redbull when watching this 😂
It's obvious he's going for the Grey Poupon sponsorship
The confidence from Marc when he nodded the music on . He truly is a force to be reckoned with .
I see Red Bull sponsorship in his pocket .
I was NOT ready for that music.
That wasn't a Red Bull.
I don't know Cotton. Let's see how this pans out
Red Bull and Magnum condoms.
@@smiley800 I was thinking a mild Rose’, and maybe, just a wink of Valerian root.
Mi vieja me dio la vida, Marc Ornstein me enseño a soñar gracias Noe y Claudio 💛
good lord , he was paddling like this in 07, i dont even want to think of what advancements have taken place since.....thank you Marc thank you
When someone says whatever floats your boat, this will eternally be my first thought.
🤣😂
I want to see the 30 for 30 on Marc Ornstein’s career. He’s in his prime here, but injuries, drugs, groupies and the pressure of the competitive canoe circuit would derail his promising career.
Oh he's had an incredible career. The great Ornstein-Jacoby battles that defined his early years. The so called "Frogmen" incident (which was just media trying to destroy a rising star in my view). Echoes of the later "Invisible Motorboat" stuff.
He shut them up with the Margaret River series. One of the most beautiful sequences of freestyle since Findler, or even Darnsberg (hints of the early days of the sport, with grace and poise that, as the Freestyle Canoeing Essentials said at the time, "redefined the sport").
And of course, the Infamous "Invisible Motorboat" incident - people just couldn't accept that the Margaret River series, and five or ten years after which he just dominated this sport, could possibly be conducted by pure skill.
(But remember, Ormstein lives on a river, he trains 14, 15, sometimes 16 hours a day; he's got an entire corporation of planners, agents, sponsors, all that stuff, built from his own sheer ability).
Fiction became fact when it was revealed that Jacoby and others were in fact using tiny hidden devices (not motors but basically water pumps) to orient their crafts, allowing them to appear far more dextrous and agile than they were.
That was a real scar on the sport. It took down Jacoby and others and the whole "Punks with Pumps" thing made it clear - the public will not tolerate that type of nonsense from freestylers. Jacoby perhaps might emerge forgiven someday, but who knows.
Let me be clear though: nobody ever proved Marc Ornstein had done anything wrong. He was never found to be using pumps, motors or anything except talent and dedication.
Then, over the past decade, Ornstein reached new heights - the sequences/partnership with the great ballet choreographer Nizhnikov, who Mr Ornstein credits as "one of the true unsung masters" of the sport, and of his recent successes.
Hard to see what anyone could do, to beat Ornstein, today in his current peak physical and mental conditioning.
I think the real question is being asked right now by freestyle canoeing experts - what will Marc Ornstein do next, to outdo Marc Ornstein ?
@@jimreily7538 Excellent summary. Massive Ornstein fan here. I hated Jacoby even before he was revealed to be a cheat.
I think the Invisible Motorboat/Punks with Pumps stuff actually showed just HOW GOOD Ornstein is ! Jacoby was doing everything with hidden technology and Ornstein STILL outdid him.
All Ornstein needed was a canoe, an oar, and a piece of music.
The best athlete in the history of professional FSC by FAR.
Marc Ornstein DEFINITELY needs a 30 for 30. I'd pay heaps to see that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
Will Ferrell or Steve Carell?
Marc added to his first ballot Hall of Fame credentials with this performance. The way he's able to transform such a technically demanding performance into something appearing so effortless is unmatched. There will never be another Marc Ornstein.
gracias Noe por tu vocación de servicio, gracias Marc, hoy me freestylearon la canoa
este es el tipo de comentarios que vine a ver jajajaj
🤣🤣🤣
I liked the part where he spins around.
All of it then?
C L that was the joke...
Tbe first spin when the beat drops was the best
dude, very literal “lol” @ your comment.
I never knew you could wear a suit in a canoe,,that was funny as hell
That was the most tender paddling I've ever experienced...
Hover Master there’s levels to this comment 😂
He was gentle with his paddle and the water,,it didn't feel the caress of his canoeing ways
Gracias Noe y Mark, gracias a ustedes anoche me la pusieron después de mucho tiempo. Gratitud eterna a ambos.
Gracias Noe! El mejor adagio de canoa que he visto!
The comments are almost as great as the video itself. I’m proud of all of you
Part of the reason why I come back to this video is to read the new crop of comedy. This whole link brings me joy.
Watching this is like watching paint dry....on the interior of the Sistine Chapel. Amazing work by Ornstein as always.
Imagine watching dirt dry, it takes much longer.
This is like watching a guy row a boat around in circles for 5 minutes! How Awesome!
It's only 10pm and CZcams has already recommend me this. I'm usually only ready for this kinda stuff at at least 1am but I'll take it. Thank you Mr algorithm.
I’m over committed myself.
It’s not even 1PM and this is gonna lead to some deeeeeeeep YouTubing
Yep, that's enough internet for me today.
Right hahaha
Could not have said it better :D
Hahahahaha
this is one of the best comments ever!
Baby I'm getting started
For lonely middle-age men in the ghettos of the Midwest, Freestyle Canoe is the only way out!
It’s a great intro line at the bar🤗
Paddle in paddle out vato!!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Classic
hahaha
Gracias Noe! Gracias Crossover! Las ambiciones son los carros que tiran de los sueños, este Freestyle Canoe es mi carro.
Thank you CZcams, you finally did something right by recommending this video to me
Through Ornstein's masterful use of wood, the lake has never been wetter.
Ok. This made me cry 😂😂😂😂😂
This is the best comment ever!
😂
We all have a laugh at first but come on, we all wish we had the time and be as chill as Mark to do this stuff.
A tip starved canoe valet, a creepy song
you had hoped to forget, a smattering of applause, this amazing video truly has it all. Excellence.
When he took his sandals off at the dock, I knew $hit was about to get real
Eric Perez best comment
Eric Perez I am pissing my pants! Lmfao!
@@bobbarker4255 ls this a actual sport are did somebody grandad escape from a nursing home and is he figuring out which to go.
How terrible would your wife have to be for you to invent this sport?
@@andyeighttreMe as 42 year man i will take my mom and dad when they have down time the art of canoeing.
I have this dude's rookie card. I guard it with my life.
Yeah but is it autographed???
I would honestly buy that and put it on my wall just as a conversation piece. We should make a hundred of them.
@@sayyowhatsup1067 He signed it with a wet tip paddle.
Beckett is publishing a price guide this year. Pretty sure a mint rookie Ornstein will be on par with a Nap Lajoie.
Thank you mark and noe for teachme to love with all my heart and live without sarasas
This man is the GOAT and a national treasure. Protect at all costs!!
This guys sets the bar awfully high for aspiring aspiring freestyle canoers. When he raises his arm at his imaginary woman who is pitching woo to.... I almost cried. This man is a beautiful paddler and a hell of a good blackjack dealer.
+joelalamo45 pitching woo to... I'm dying!
Really? You almost cried? What happens when you think of the children dying in Syria? Do you implode or something?
@joelalamo45 "aspiring freestyle canoers"
Is that really a thing?
@@chrishansen4455 There is a freestyle canoer in all of us, Chris Hansen
@@Psychosix are they paddling?
This man has a very specific request in the event that he dies. No Wake....
Tyler Lewis I see what you did there.
@@thewestisthebest9955 me too, and it was beatiful.
Explain?
Ah... bravo. Bravo.
Now THAT made me laugh 🤣
muchas gracias gracias noe. mi mama me dio la vida pero marc ornstein las ganas de vivirla ❤️
Gracias Noe!!! La reacción de la persona a la que le muestre este video a partir de ahora va a ser buen parámetro de si el acto debe suceder o no
The most absurd takeaway i came away with is this. He's not spinning in the canoe. It's stationary and all else is spinning around him. This includes my head after watching all five minutes and twenty four seconds of this mind twisting majesty.
had to slow it down to 0.75x speed to really absorb all the action Orn was throwing at me!
Go even slower.
I had to watch it over and over to grasp the complexity of his skills, why did I push my boys into basketball 😞
He never even showed his true power.
How he can get across the entire lake with only 1 paddle.
Gracias Noe y Marc por este momento ❤️❤️
Solo puedo compararlo al baile de Juan Gabriel, de punta en blanco, en aquel palacio de las artes, mientras hacía "así fue"
Marc setting the FUCKING TONE. This guy is the Hideki Matsuyama of the National Freestyle Canoe World. I'm pretty sure he was featured on the cover of Paddle Pals in 08' for this ground breaking performance. This guy makes the water purrr
08' was one hell of a year...
"Paddle Pals" yo sign me UP 🥵🤚🖐✋️🍑🍑🛶
Now that is one lofty compliment beset on one performance. Yet it is truly worth every measure. It is no wonder that his tuxedo vest (which is actually a hydrostatic PFD since Marc cannot swim) is hanging in the Canoe Paddlemen’s HOF next to Chief Sitting Bull’s loincloth and paddle. Marc just may be the GOAT paddler.
*Once again, CZcams recommendations has brought us all together.*
All I watch is metallica videos and arm wrestling videos, not sure where this came from but my life will be forever changed
@@demonicon1 *That's how youtube works*
@@demonicon1 with a name like Shittenheizer poopy poo , the algorithm has no choice but to recommend you weird shit. Res Ipsa Loquitur.
Marc Ornstein is an anagram for Minor Trances, which is exactly what he put us all in with that performance.
Holy shit it actually is!! Honestly how long did it take you to see that?
This observation gives me a big rubbery one.
@@drewsims262 He was in a trance when he saw it. Myself, I was busting a gut laughing. As a canoeist who can also low-side this type of boat, it's really no big dealing flat water with no wind. It's just fuckin' hilarious!
I connect with you Mr. Brown. I've shared a similar experience. Not sure if it's the soft evening light, or the placid water, or the sight of a tuxedoed man in a canoe, gently stroking to his beloved lady in red. In any case, like the artist himself, and you Mr. Brown, I find myself in a 'crimson trane'. And, much like Mr. Ornstein, and you as well Mr. Brown, seems that I too am a 'master in corn'.
Why do I repeatedly watch this? I must be a sick maniac just like Marc Ornstein
The fact I've ended up here to watch this most beautiful piece of art is a miracle in its most purest form.
I bet people see him practicing and they are like that poor old man can't get back to shore someone should help him
Haha, not knowing he's probably the most skilled paddler on the lake.
LMFAO
Snot came out of my nose after reading this
Laughed so hard my side hurts that’s a great one ☝️ 😂😂😂😂
Especially with that Jeeves butler outfit
the slow and the curious: canoe drift
Mississippi drifti! !!!
We really not are born equal... Marc got all the canoe skills for himself. So much grace. Who knew he would dedicate his life to the production of videos for stoners.
Thank you Noly and Marc for teaching me how to live and love 💖💖💖
Six gold paddles hangin on the wall. The Boat GOAT
This should be on redtube
omg the clapping killed me
I dont know why youtube recommended me a dude paddling around a canoe, to a love song.
I've actually made the trip to this video twice now after browsing youtube for hours and going down the hole... this truly is the edge of the internet.
Well done Marc
You’ve done a lot about computer algorithms lately. I’m interested to know your thoughts on how this 11year old video rose to fame in the past couple months.
Lmao fancy seeing you here Destin
DESTIN!?! wow so funny to run into you here😂
Did not expect to find you here, but heartened to discover you're a man of culture
Destin is a fan! We are in good company folks!
It’s like he’s the tip of Bob Ross’ paintbrush.
You....just....killed....me, laughing.
If Bob Ross painted with his penis on a canvas of vagina
Beat the devil out of it
Just the tip.
Amen
LET'S GO!!
Marc had a .567 CCS so far that season, after this timeless performance it brought him up to .622 just before the Tourney! A legend of the sport.
No idea how this got in my feed but its exactly what I've been needing all these years. Thanks youtube
“I’ll show them,” said the bullied kid. And he did. 40 years later.
HAHAHAHA😃😷👍
Underrated
And promptly got his ass kicked again by the same bullies as soon as he docked
There, CZcams, I watched it..
And I'm not even mad. That was some majestic ass stuff right there.
Gracias Mark y Noly que con este video me enseñaron a vivir y a amar❤️
One of my all time fave videos. Good to see you again, old friend.
they see me rowin they hatin
Ha!
😂😂😂
Police tryin to catch me portaging dirty
Whitten Sinclair ✊
Trying to catch me rowing dirty
I accidentally whispered “I love you too”
🙌
Me too, "Hug me tightly, Mr. Ornstein".
lol
Ah, but didn’t we all…
I haven't laughed so hard in ages. Thanks for that!
Gracias Marc Ornstein y Noly por tanto amor y enseñanza a vivir amando en este mundo tan hostil
This man taught me everything I know about freestyle canoeing, I miss you Marc
The best comments I’ve ever read on a CZcams channel. Absolute gold. 10/10 internet, 10/10
This is one of my go to videos when I am down - for like the last two years. Never looked at the comments until now. They are amazing!
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
🤣😂👏👏
@@witchypoorose5196 accept for the 969 dislike fucking hater
Also try "How To Lose 15 pounds in 7 days with Peel-a-Pound Soup"
@@vivazapata1962 I'm assuming you're a fan of Internet Comment Etiquette