Fauna is being real with us
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- Fauna is being real with us.
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Ceres Fauna
Channel: @CeresFauna
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I wasn't aware if Alexander Babski is a bad guy and people trying to cancel Fauna over this, I didn't really catch up with drama after the stream ended. I post this clip because I hope people will respect streamers privacy more. :)
yeah that guy harrased alot of streamers and Vtubers
Bro mofo called her fan "simp", i think that the dead giveaway
/vt/ is trying to cancel Fauna over this.
They're hardly "people".
I'll paste my reply to another comment here:
I don't think this shouldn't have been clipped. It's good to make these boundaries clear. If anything, the people who are mad and saying "nooo my immersion, vtubers are supposed to be an escape from reality" are precisely the ones who needed to hear this.
You're giving that troll exactly what he wants by spreading this even more. In the comments Fauna even says she got tricked, and here you are shining a spotlight on it because it's good clickbait...
Fauna: I'm pretty normal
Also Fauna: the Switch cart tastes quite good
probably one of the more normal things shes done, lol
Yeah, pretty normal
Nom nom
*it's not that bad*
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What do you expect? There isn't too much tasty vegan food out there 😅😂
**Watching Fauna respectfully**
* watching snail respectfully *
*watching Sakasandayo respectfully*
10 years in the joint
*watching pomu respectfully*
yeah being friends would be weird , I just want to marry her .
LMAO
a beautiful flower blooming in a field, shouldnt be plucked or it will wilt.
Keep on that grind bro 👍
sapzoned
XD
I really respect Fauna for her handling of the question, she really is one of the best entertainers in hololive
i second this
I mean, she's far from the first one to speak about this, but considering how ridiculously needy some saplings can be, that was brave of her for sure.
@@LonesomeDevil The Saplings are joking. No one real is going to look at this and get offended, she said that people should cherish their friendships and not to idolize her and prioritize her over their actual friendships.
@@Nothingseen Yeah, as much as I think it is a genuine problem, I do think it's something that is blown WAY out of proportion. I honestly think if someone super popular like Gura got her life exposed by some dipshit and it turned out that she has a boyfriend, the numbers wouldn't change that much. I mean yeah there definitely would be some of those seriously mentally ill people who would be fucking DEVASTED about it and be pissed but for the most part I think people wouldn't actually give a shit.
@@Corvo-zs7dx they really do be believing that idols cant live their own real lives as they see fit, and fickle with their dicks through a fucking screen constantly💀
... wait, people are upset over this? Fauna just said "your friends are cool people too, I'm not really all that special so you shouldn't idolize me and ignore your real friends in favor of me"
This is literally the sanest way to answer that question. That was a clear bait question that she handled very well; it wasn't "lol u are all my playthings" or "I see you ALL as my DEAREST FRIENDS," both of which are harmful sentiments. He tried to set up a false dichotomy and Fauna just straight dodged it.
Let's be honest, not everyone from her audience has real friends.
@@telefrag. Hey, I don't have any friends and I'm smart enough to not be an asshole on social media.
@@telefrag. As someone who is extremely introverted, I have no shame to admit I have no friends. While I'd like a good friend some day, not having one doesn't make me needy and desperate, especially not to the point of being a creep. Anyone who is friendless, lonely, and seriously upset by what Fauna said probably need to check their mental health.
@@telefrag. i can relate to being completely lonely because i've been in that situation before but a streamer is not a substitute for a friend, they can entertain you and it can help with loneliness but they are not your friends and choosing to maintain a one sided "friendship" is not healthy for you
@@zhizn_snake W take there friend
Just to let you know this guy is known to harass and troll the HoloEN girls like Kronii. Please do not give him any of ur attention. She handled the question pretty well. Being honest and keeping it real.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the head's up.
Or you can not concern troll and let clippers clip whatever the heck they want.
He's clearly a troll but it leads to genuinely interesting responses like this and the "how do I win back borough Bologne" one.
That... I didn't know... So... Should we make managment aware of this individual?
@@Voldrim359 ROFL
Even if the sc is a troll I think it was a very good response from Fauna and something everyone should hear, it's always good to set healthy boundaries and I really appreciate her honesty
The best way to deal with the trolls is to ignore them, the second best way is to just shut them down.
Its great for her to clarify that's cool to be fans and she does enjoy having us as her fans but ultimately the boundaries are there for a reason and a friendship is just not going to happen. She definitely has my respect for being a upfront streamer in that regard, many people both watching streamers and those who stream need that lesson drilled into their head.
That dude has been known to cause troubles, he's actually blocked from Kronii's chat for that.
yeah, except those persons are the ones mantaining her afloat with the money.
@@Wretchedness1609 Nobody owe you friendship because you give them money, that's f*cked up.
Like she said it's normal to think you want to be friend. But people need to understand why those boundaries exists. Sure, from what you see you can tell you'd probably get along with the person you watch, but beside the fact that they don't know you, they want to be able to separate work and private life. Knowing you are from their community feel like you represent the community and can cause many problems, may it come from the viewer or the streamer.
Plus, suppose you want to befriend your viewers, you can't be friends with every viewer that wishes to be your friend. How do you choose who you will befriend? The ones that are more insisting? Encouraging this bad behavior. The ones that care about you the most ? As of everything, there should be a limit to the amount of care you put into streamers, passing that limit isn't healthy, you can't encourage that either. Plus viewers would start comparing themselves, they'd be jealousy. A lot of bad things that aren't worth it when there are plenty of better ways to make friends. Albeit, it still can create feeling of frustration, wanting to share with them as much is they share with us the viewer, but it's simply not possible as a viewer because of the numbers and all the other reasons.
@@TheShadowfan81 mucho texto, she has no consideration ez
And to Alexander Babski and antis, i just want to say that you have finite time on your life, spend that time with your loved one and family/friend, instead of hating a random streamer on the internet, who know what might happen tomorrow
"Saka if you can you should censor that superchat sender name" Says the name in comment anyway xD Gotta pick one lol to censor or not to censor.
@Giorgio but you said he was an obvious troll in another message cause he used the word simp, to describe fans.
It's so childish to think we need to give him the Voldemort treatment
Any normal person will forget about this sad dude by TOMORROW
Anti? I don't know, he just asked a question. What's wrong with asking questions that seem deep or challenging?
BTW Fauna handled it amazingly. Such a good answer! Perfect.
@@Anonymous247n Because he's a known troll and literally banned in other Holos' chats for trying to stir shit.
Good Lord, she is so professional. Absolute goals.
agree one hundred percent with this take, but the person in the chat that said ‘the worst thing she can say is no’ has me HOWLING
She's not a friend. She's Mother Nature. She'll zap your ass with lightning if it needs it.
Or like the kirin from bramble with the red blood
Extremely solid response, handled it professionally.
Whoever sent the superchat has to understand that there's a difference between being friend with a sapling and being friends with the saplings. In any fandom, you are part of a group that define a general personality, you cannot be an individual or else you bring imbalance. Streamers love their fanbase, which doesn't mean they love you in particular.
Absolutely! You can feel a general warmth for people, for their support, for their humour.
Whoever sent the superchat clearly doesn't see Fauna (the person behind Fauna) is an equal human being like the rest of us. He puts her on a pedestal and himself as "one of the lowly saplings", probably taking it too literally. If he saw celebrities, streamers, entertainers, public figures, etc as no better or worse than the rest of us "regular" people, like Fauna said, then he wouldn't even be asking his question.
couldnt agree more, Fauna isnt my friend or your friend she is OUR FRIEND *blasts USSR theme
@@VEKTOR_ I'm hearing Zangief's theme from Street Fighter 2... lol.
@@zhizn_snake all I hear is “life is beautiful” from Deadly Premonition.
I was worried people'd misinterpreted what Fauna said, but as far I read that didn't happen. Even if you don't agree it's pretty clear Fauna just want the best for the saplings.
I don't think it's bad you clipped this, if you pay attention to Fauna SC before you'll know she's smart enough to ignore and detected trolls, I think this was a little slip because she want to talk about this and this was her chance (it's not the first time she said something similar). Thankfully she's aware that was a troll now and I'm sure she'll be more careful next time.
Fauna love 🌱💚
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also she probably remembered the name as the dude was in another EN SC.
@@shade0180 Nop, Fauna genuinely didn't know him. She said it on the comments of that video.
@@NargusJynk oh then yea she probably just want to say the truth then good job though
"as far as I read that didn't happen"
I opened the vod for this and one of the first comments I saw said it's "proof Fauna hates her fans". :/
Kirin, the wise gamer. Respect you
As someone accurately pointed out during this answer live, she's was also showing her meme knowledge there, it was particularly funny for the ones who know 😄
Unfortunately, most people missed the reference, but she directly quoted the Ludwig video that became a meme 2 years ago (1.1M views now), titled "I am not your friend", which is both a comedy sketch and an excellent clarification about his relation with his fanbase.
With that context, it was both an appropriate setting of boundaries _and_ a funny meme reference by Fauna.
THE POD
- "Why don't you just get a translator"
- "And let him read it too?"
Regardless of the intent of the superchat, Fauna’s reply is something fans of anyone (streamer, vtuber, musician, movie star, whatever) needs to hear.
Yeah the SC is actually no big deal. The way Fauna answered it is more than perfect, it is something her fans need to hear and to learn to respect the boundary. I respect her so much for talking about this.
It's ok Fauna, we already get too much friendship from Fubuki, You can just keep being our mom.
Sanest sapling.
Can't say it's not real.
And we have nene to fill that wife role, all is balanced
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We even get the family puppy with Korone.
@@DinnerForkTongue And we got Dad in the form of Calli and Grandpa in the form of Vesper.
@@mapleflag6518
And mama Mio, and elite baby daughter Miko.
At least Sakasandayo is my friend
Friend 🤝
This why Fauna is my Holo EN oshi. Not only is she based, she also knows how to draw her line.
100% agree. Knowing she said this definitely upped my respect for her. Definitely going to watch her more from now on.
she's kinda stupid, basically letting go the people who mantains her afloat
I've thought of this before multiple times. I like Fauna. I think she's funny and cute. I admit, I've wondered what it would be like to be friends with some of the people I watch, but also I acknowledge that they're people too. I do *care* about them. I don't like seeing them sad about things, but I also tend to feel that way about most people. I do think it's a slippery slope to confuse "I want to support them" with "I want to be friends".
This is something that's far too complicated to fit into a CZcams comment.
Nah, it makes sense. Streaming is a very strange thing, as the appeal is literally getting to know someone. They're not your friend, but it's very hard for you to avoid feeling attached to them, cause you know them. Vtubing helps immensely, because you are only seeing an avatar and don't do things like "learn their room layout" and "notice when they get a haircut," things that will happen with camera-based stuff. But you still learn what they like, what they don't, things about their past, stories about their parents... you learn in-jokes and references, they teach you things and they learn things from the chat. Of course you like them. Of course you want them to be happy. Of course you can imagine being their bud.
However, they cannot have the same relationship with you. Unless you find a streamer where they have literally only you as their audience, it's a one-way intimacy. They're forced to see the chat as a gestalt identity, because there's just... too many things on screen flying past to think of it any other way. Just like how anyone doing any performance sees their audience as one being, rather than seeing them as a bunch of different people.
So when you're watching a streamer, you're not actually spending time with a friend. Unless you and your buddies are all watching together. This is at the core of what Fauna said; "don't prioritize or idolize me, cherish your real-life relationships." Watching Fauna isn't cultivating a relationship, it's watching an entertainer. Even though it's a new, different, and oddly intimate form of entertainment, it's still entertainment. Just cause watching Council play uno feels like you're playing a game with your real good buddies, you're not. THEY are, YOU aren't. Just remember that and you'll be fine.
This is a really important message, and I'm glad Fauna talked about it.
@@Nothingseen Damn, this is a _well-written_ comment. It says a lot that I read it in Jacob Geller's voice.
@@Nothingseen Great comment, hammer right to the nail.
Its fine to build up a empathic relationship with streamers because yeah, you do want what's best for them but it's not going to be the same as a relationship you can build with people IRL or even online on a more personal basis (like say being fellow fans of Fauna and getting to know each other a bit BTS if people are respectful about privacy).
The way I see it, supporting these streamers either financially or boosting their viewership count because you like them/find them entertaining is perfectly fine. It's when the relationship in question goes too far and one party struggles to maintain a proper quality of life as a result. Just knowing and understanding that you're not friends with the streamer but you enjoy their content/you're empathetic of their well being is in my eyes, a good start to recognizing and understanding your boundaries as an audience member. I'd hate for someone to feel bad for thinking that caring for the streamer's well being is being 'in too deep'. Humans are social creatures; caring for one another is built into our biology.
Parasociality as a concept has always been around thanks to the advent of celebrities and media personalities. We often think that a parasocial relationship is a bad thing because of the extreme lengths possible, but in reality, the definition is just a one sided relationship where one party doesn't know the other exists.
I always appreciate when a content creator is real with their audience. This kind of topic is common sense to most but sometimes there are still people out there that just have to hear it.
Honestly there are also streamers that need that lesson too if they get a bit too chummy with their audience and start neglecting their priorities too.
@@MapleLeaf2501 Some lean into it on purpose and are their own worst enemies.
@@bobthomas8342
Rushia/Nazuna?
I said this on twitter too, but that Alexander guy is a known troll, so Fauna really shouldn't have given him any time. That being said, she is right. Perhaps a bit bluntly said, but you should definitely value your connections and relationships irl first and foremost.
This wasn't really a troll question though.
@@kukuc96 By his question he was basically really asking "can any of us actually be real friends with you or are well all just "simps" to you?". Sounds kinda trolly to me...
@@kukuc96 There isn't a 2 way street of "Are we friends or just simps?" This is like asking if your pet fishes are "Family or just decoration". Some might say they're family, others might not. There are nuances and complexities to every relationship especially when it comes to humans. That's very obvious to anyone, and people who bluntly ask questions like this that force others into this 2 way street are either delusional or they're attempting to stir drama.
She was as blunt as an obsidian scalpel. Get real, dude.
@@milesedgeworth132 It literally is a 2-way street and Fauna addressed it. You will never be her friend. Get over it.
I gotta say, I don't really understand why some people were genuinely angry at Fauna for saying this.
And, let me be clear, I am completely friendless irl. I am the exact kind of dude Fauna was trying to speak to with this. But that being said, at no point have I been interested in pretending like Fauna is my friend. I just like her as an entertainer, and her streams are fun.
Idk, seems like a non-issue to me.
Some people don't handle being friendless so well. Loneliness can make one delusional af with whatever relationships they have. That or the delusional behavior is exactly why they are friendless and lonely.
"idol culture", streamers, and the internet in general have an intersection of some incredibly disturbed people who want to pretend their relationships with entertainers are deep and personal. They are absolutely not worth pandering to, and in fact need to be shut down at every opportunity, like this.
Skizzies and 🦄 afraid that Fauna saying this means she's gonna collab with the bois. While I personally would push for that, I leave it to Fauna if she pushes for that.
Basically, all the unicorns and vtweeter snakes should go.
There are people getting angry with this fr??! They need to COOL IT and go touch some grass.
its who they appeal to lol. take that away they are no different from your average twitch thot. Fauna and the ENs are no different
It honestly just depends on whatever the streamer is comfortable with.
For example, Bae trusts her fanbase with all but the most personal details of her life (Fauna was even dumbfounded by this at one point) and tries to be as much of a friend as she can, yet I've found the Brats to be generally reasonable and respectful of her privacy and well-being.
Yes, even on 4chan.
Yea, it really REALLY depends. Every creator (not just vtubers) has a Goldilocks level of boundaries. Bae, Fauna, Mumei (who I don't like but whose work ethics I respect), Finana, Pomu, Altare, Mika. All of them are different, all of them are unique.
Me, I joke around a ton but don't get attached. Except to Pikamee, and purely out of sympathy.
Even 4chan? Yea not buying that, there is no way with all the sociopaths there
@@musicman1989 Just today, people were literally just having a casual conversation on /rrat/ about how they spend their day when Bae isn't streaming. Some go to the gym, some draw, and some write fanfiction, for example.
May I ask why you're not keen on Mumei? I ask because I'm not the biggest fan of her either, however I genuinely cannot put into words how or why she doesn't gel with my preferences.
I don't hate her and I'm happy if she's in a collab (those Mumei-TOWA collabs were incredible), but other than S side of her, I'm not a fan.
It's why I value channels like Depressed Nousagi or The Otaku Advisor. They can explain the passion we all share for vtubers.
I still don't fully understand why I love Marine but not other vtubers who also use sex appeal, but I digress...
@@DinnerForkTongue “Purely out of sympathy” -> not in a romantic way
Even after graduation Pikamee is still getting friendzoned by her fans, the balance of the universe is kept once more
The late Totalbiscuit gave a similar explanation about this topic years ago. I’m glad fauna addressed this with the same level headedness and directness as he did.
Just when I didn't think my respect for Fauna could grow any more she pulls this, this is the sign of a great streamer and a really good person in general. I'm glad that she shares what she does of herself with us and provides so much entertainment for us all!
so this was the so called "controversial" fauna clip
100% agree with fauna
but i guess some people didn't took that in spades
Same reason why incels harassed kronii for streaming with guys
if im being really real too, this gotta be my favorite clip of her out of millions
This made me respect her a lot more than before because i really wasnt a fan of chat being so weird on her stream and always screaming mommy mommy. But i am glad she sees whats going on and she clarifies her position. Her content isnt a problem, they could be suggestive but that doesnt mean you as a viewer should be so Parasocial. And when you see those behaviors on YT or Twiiter its very uncomfortable when you are just trying to hang out in the chat. So she did a really good job. It was necessary. I appreciate it very much
I think some people really went off the rails after she said this. For me, someone streaming to thousands of people online simply can not be friends with viewers like that, even if you set aside gender difference, which can make things even more odd. Not with my definition of a "friend" anyway. Fauna is 100% right, the people around you will always be better as friends. Not in the clip is also her giving great advice on socializing and making actual friends.
This was an odd "serious" Sakasandayo clip with no edits or voice warbles, hope you're good too bro.
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what do gender differences have to do with any of this?
@@Flugmorph Most people aren't gay. Most people who watch youtube are men. Fauna is a cute girl. Do math.
@@patterofheads256 I do not understand.
@@Flugmorph In the vtuber scene, it isn't abnormal to see males get attached to a female vtuber (goes for regular "flesh streamers" too I suppose). That means when the streamer hits people with the "not a friend" line, it's likely to sting more for the opposite gender.
But my point was, that shouldn't matter because in the end, the streamer still shouldn't be considered a "friend".
Damn the "not even friends" zone
She said the truth and in the loveliest way possible. Few people can talk like that.
This isn't even deep, this is just straight up wholesome. Gotta love her take for this cuz she's speaking facts.
What's so controversial about this take? She simply said that viewers should value more their real life connections instead of forming parasocial relationships with their favorite entertainers.
Well said. It's unfortunate it needs to be said.
@@bobthomas8342maybe.
Honestly if some people got "mad" because of Fauna's REAL wise words here, and they left her for it, that would be a HUGE WIN for Fauna & Saplings. Let the toxic one leave, keep the healthy apples inside. It would be better & healthy for Fauna in the long run.
I know some people are probably mad, but i know theres also quite a few that were just let down by the truth. I agree with fauna on every point because thats where she stands, but i dont know if addressing something like this is even good for your audience. Especially if nobody is being hurt by not hearing the truth so outright.
People show support for their own reasons after all.
@@liljaaybee late to this but I pretty much agree with everything fauna mentioned but to just chime in on what you said. "I know there's also quite a few that were just let down by the truth". From some comments I've seen, besides trolls/antis this statement seems to ring true, but its important to recognise it so that you can address it but I can somewhat understand the negative response that would bring. "but I don't know if addressing something like this is even good for your audience" ignoring the troll sc in question and given some of the comments I've seen before this talk and after I would say it was, sure she could have ignored it and moved on and I've seen plenty of commenters say that but the fact she decided to really go into the topic tells me she's noticed a trend in her fanbase that's making her uncomfortable and giving her alarm bells. If that's the case then setting the boundaries helps filters out those who are...well disillusioned, she's getting some heat now from trolls and whatnot and that's to be expected its the internet but that will pass in time and overall it seems like a vast majority of her saplings agree with her, In the long run this is probably for the best.
@@Krathter true that mahn, preciate your response
Gotta love when the trash takes itself out.
huge win? gotta see her mantaining afloat without those ppl' money haha
"Cherish your friends" turns to look at friends. Sees only the memories of a time long ago.
Schizos hated that
I appreciate and admire Fauna as a content creator and as a person.
And that's it.
She's so real for this
Fauna is so on the ball on this. She sets good boundaries for herself and her fans while also putting it in a really nice way that makes people reflect on and cherish the friendships they have without making it into a demeaning thing.
The fact that this is causing any drama at all really shows how disconnected from reality some people are. All streamer viewer relationships are on some level parasocial, but knowing how and where to draw boundaries on both sides should be something to be commended.
Mayreel 💗💗💗💗💗💗
This is what she can say because she truly cares for her fans.
If there are any saplings who feel uncomfortable with that video,
I speak for them with all my heart. Please take some time to look into yourself and take care of yourself. You have to love yourself first.
If I could become friends with her IRL, just like spontaneously as a neighbor or something, I wouldn’t want to know she was the Ceres Fauna. It would make the friendship really awkward and I’d no longer see her as her actual self, but Ceres Fauna.
but you could make fun of her for the things she said on stream, that'd be kinda worth it
Silly Fauna, Fubuki always says that we're Friends, best friends, even!
Streamers fulfill certain needs we have, but just like how we shouldn't use a teacher, coworker, friend, or even lover to fulfill all of our needs, we should respect streamers and treat them with the distance and respect they deserve. I feel like streamers are like acquaintances I really like. I like our boundaries. I don't want to know how they look or who they are beyond our connection as streamer and viewer. It's another type of social role amongst the ones we already have--such as teacher and student, or coworkers--which come with a set of rules these social roles best operate by. I think Fauna is an exceptional streamer because she's able to Present to us such a sweet, wholesome, and entertaining experience while genuinely being herself and a good human person. Of course it's not her whole self, but we hardly ever get that with people in our lives and we shouldn't try to.
Acquaintances I think is the perfect way to describe it. We (being chat/the audience) and the streamer usually have chummy/cordial interactions during stream but it doesn't usually go much deeper than some slight personal business. I view my "relationship" with Fauna and other streamers/CZcamsrs the same way I view many of my coworkers: I like being around them, interacting and socializing with them by making jokes and small talk, but we don't get *too* personal and we only see each other at work. I still respect them and have empathy for them as fellow people, even if we aren't particularly close friends. And that's how I also see streamers/CZcamsrs.
Ahhh, he's the guy that send hate comment using superchat
Around 2 weeks ago, he send hate comments using akasupa 2 times at Irys minecraft stream, but she ignored it
Same guy who got banned from Kronii's chat and then started sending supa's to the other EN talents begging them to help him.
Absolute schizo behavior.
Hm, hopefully someone warns her.
She's our mom.
That is such a W take from Fauna
She must have thought a lot about it
Respect to Mama Kirin for keeping it real.
Based Fauna. Ima go call my best friend and tell him he's awesome. Thanks for the reminder!
Watch streamers when you feel like it. Prioritize real people every time. Treat streams like TV shows were intended to be treated- if you BY CHANCE happen to be around for them, you can watch them. You can make plans for one if you really don't want to miss it, that's normal. But it should always be a side-hobby. The minute it begins eclipsing and taking priority over even minor things like chores or housework, you should take a step back.
In my defense I will take any excuse to not do my chores.
@@rincewindTA If the chore is bathing, emptying the piss jugs or poop bucket, I gotta disagree. If it's a NORMAL chore, of course you're fine.
completely agree. I have a principle that even if you want to support them, never make it some kind of "mission" to watch their stream
Even they (or at least most decent streamers) would likely parrot this. Live a life, enjoy the streaming world casually, don't let it consume your every waking moment.
Yes. Especially if it's 4:37 AM and you were supposed to be asleep at 3:30 AM yet still find yourself stuck in the rabbit hole. Sometimes you need to step back and remember you have a life of your own to live.
A certain minecraft CZcamsr needs to learn how to do this
Absolutely based Fauna, we are the audience, not friends, I have shakend hands with friends, I talk to them, I share stuff, went to their house, they have come to mine, we hang out, etc... Fauna (or any streamer) is not my friend, its a streamer, they are cool and all and we love the work and effort they do to put smiles on our faces... But lets not forget we are an audience.
I know this might be weird, but as someone who is a big fan of Fauna, I can't imagine being her friend or partner in real life. If you know someone too well, you'll notice many things you don't like. I watch Hololive to relax and escape for a bit. I don't want to ruin their ability to do that by digging too deep.
A lot of people have the opposite opinion. They want people to accept that Vtubers are human. Personally, I disagree. I want to see them as their character. That's why I don't care if they have a partner in real life or anything. I'm only invested in the Ceres Fauna/Irys/Mumei/etc.
If they're truly evil people, then I'll stop watching. But if they're just imperfect humans who make mistakes, I don't want to know. I don't care. The same reason that Fauna can't care about all 700k saplings, I can't care about every single thing that Hololive members do. I have a life, a job and a future to worry about. I just wanna watch them when I have time. When the stream is off, both the talent and I are back in the real world.
I can easily see Fauna being a buddy of mine. We're similar ages, have similar interests, and she's quick witted. Honestly, I'd have a hard time watching a streamer I think I wouldn't be able to hang out with.
However, she ISN'T my friend. She's someone I watch. I have friends and we do stuff. It's downright silly to get upset about someone saying to cherish the people you know.
@@Nothingseen the ones who get buttmad about this kind of stuff are not in the healthiest state a person can be.
This is a very reasonable stance, and when you only care for the character that they portray, honestly by doing that you are respecting their privacy the most. This is the least menhera way to enjoy vtubers.
I watch vtubers, Fauna among them, knowing for a fact that there's just a dork (admittedly a _talented_ dork) making fun content on the other end. And we don't want jack to do with each other personally.
@@kmk_m1326 I've accidentally stumbled onto a lot of roommate stuff on talents that made me kinda iffy on continuing to watch them. The incomplete info and outright lies online make it impossible to figure anything out for sure. A big example is that I loved watching a Hololive member from a branch that doesn't exist anymore. To this day, I'm not sure if half the stuff I read about her is true or not. If they were, I would hate her. If they aren't, I'd feel horrible.
I just figured that the less effort I have to put in to enjoy the streamer the better it is as entertainment.
Damn she really is never wrong
If we be real, we'll all be wood in grass and not get to watch mommy
Go sleep dum dum ❤
@@saber_xyt i will cutie
Badum tss*
Go to the psychologist bro
@@saber_xyt you love vtubers you th-
Oh wait... Sorry.
"I'm not parasocial with her, she is parasocial with me"
On one hand you have people who believe they have a chance with a cartoon character and on the other you have people who are more than happy to be nothing but an open wallet. There are no winners here, except the streamer.
Fauna gained a lot of respect from me for this. just like the serious kiara moments.
the only people that would be upset over this, are those who have mental health issues, or are lonely which is generally their own fault for not expressing themself to others in the real world.
Alex however seems like he intended to start drama, they horrible person who shouldn't even be online.
"Your friends" like I have a bunch of those.
Feels like "Parasocial Relationships" should be thought in school these days. The perils of wanting to take ones fandom into something more intimate is rarely an isolated feeling and, with people who have millions of fans, could span the tens of thousands. Hollywood stars have had nearly a century of history with stalkers and death threats from disillusioned stalkers. The implications are terrifying to the person on the other side i.e. the talent, regardless of how well meaning you , as a singular actor in this relationship, might feel.
Or parents, teachers should stick to English maths science ect 😅
There's so many things that school didn't teach me, they brag about how many alumnus got working to famous rich company
Because that's the standards, work all day, follow your boss rules, get paid, repeat. Being poor is considered to be a failure in life.
the thing is that "parasosocial relationships" (or "interactions", as its actually called) encompasses way more than the examples you are talking about.
if you ever felt bad for a character in a piece of media, or cried because they died, thats a parasocial interaction. many of them are helpful too, teaching us certain lessons or inspiring us to work towards a certain goal, etc.
its a complicated field and having someone not qualified lecture on it could cause way more harm than good.
@@srkares Yep. It is actually mystifying to me that people use "parasocial relationship" as synonymous with "the streamer is literally my friend/girlfriend"
The closest comparison I would have for a healthy relationship with a vtuber is the same relationship you have with your favorite sporting team. And the relationship fans have with their favorite sporting team is definitely parasocial.
@@planguy9575 its been misused so much that its become synonymous for obsessive behaviour.
sports teams is sadly one of the fields where a lot of bad parasocial behavior can be found too, such as tribalism to the point of violence, or feeling betrayed when a player leaves the club that "made him big", which - amusingly yet sadly - is a thing in the vtuber sphere too.
It's honestly stabs at the heart of the entire problems associated with the back and forth between fans and their streamer especially Vtubers since it's a step beyond just a normal streamer. It's an entire character at times that depending on how they socialize with their community and how the community or people in that community take that can make things definitely go from social to parasocial real fast.
I didn't even really start watching streamers until the end of the 2021 and saw this phenomenon happen in real time that went to unfortunate and damaging situations with some streamers - since parasocial became a buzzword on twitch - and read up what happened with a lot of vtubers especially ones who graduated due to unhealthy situations involving their audiences that became real problems for the actual person behind the vTuber character. There's just some lonely broken people in this world who take being a fan too far...
If not frien, why frien shaped
no no, tut has a point :P
To be honest, if I was treated as more than just another fan, I'd be the one uncomfortable. The system works perfectly as is. The girls (and boys now that we have Tempus and Holostars is becoming more mainstream) can stay the singers and artists and entertainers, we can stay the listeners, and all will be good.
Yes, I know the context with the guy that sent this supa. No, it doesn't invalidate the message.
yeah, i greatly enjoy being a "sapling" (and part of the amorphous blobs that are several other streamers communities), being treated as an individual on stream would feel really weird.
in the end they dont know me and i dont really know any of the streamers either, except what they decide to show of themselves.
Absolutely. Honestly, if Fauna treated saplings as anything more than viewers/fans I probably wouldn't be watching her. She can be wholesome and funny with people but it never goes too far, there have already been plenty of moments where she reinforced this viewer/streamer relationship before too, even if it maybe wasn't as directly as this one (or maybe it was just the context of the SC that made this one different).
I didn't even find out some people were talking about this negatively until later by chance, when I was watching it I didn't really think much of it and thinking about it more only makes me feel more comfortable and confident in being her fan and supporting her.
@@srkares
Well, it's not _that_ weird if you, for example, post consistently funny or insightful stuff in chat, or are a good clipper (especially for smaller streamers). As long as it doesn't go beyond "this fan on my chat is pretty alright", I'm on board.
@@DinnerForkTongue yeah, i mean most streamers recognize the names of their regulars and possibly certain things about them.
but yeah, thats about as far as it goes. if a streamer would constantly single out a specific person in chat, positively or negatively, it would get real awkward for everyone involved real quick.
There was a channel I commended on for some time and I was getting hearted and replied on basically every one. I checked the comment section to see if it was everyone because some channels are just like that and it wasn’t. My comments weren’t partially deep or interesting so no idea why they were compelled to reply to each of them. It freaked me out and I stopped commenting. Came back like a month later with comments and now a normal channel commenter relationship is restored where it feels like they aren’t paying attention to me.
It really was, “this is feeling too parasocial for me.”
Probably the best way to handle a question clearly meant to sink her. Even without having known about the person who asked the question, it was very obvious through his choose of wording what his intentions were. I’m glad she somewhat addressed the parasocial aspect of streaming.
It was very mature of her to even answer the question, and even further to answer it honestly. I hope there's no backlash by parasocial andys, and if there is it dies down quickly. She's 100% right and I think it's important that vtuber fans hear this more than any other audience.
Whether people talk about it or not, this message needs to be spread.
Stop using the word parasocial when you clearly have no idea what it means man.
the way she relativised the experience of having a youtuber as a friend, contrasting it with your actual friends who truly know you and are invested in your life to some extend was pretty epic ngl.
I've always admired her from afar, not sending supers or anything, just enjoying the chat and member experience and trusting in the process.
she truly is a modern day incarnation of the biblical maria figure. equally motherly and gentle and wise and beautiful. I will worship her for that from now on. This is Faunarism. Hallelujah 🛐
Very well put. Respect for her ability to articulate this in what feels like the best possible way, that hopefully gets through to the people who might actually feel like she is their friend. Hopefully this gives them some kind of catharsis, and hopefully they can continue appreciating her in a more mature way.
Exactly why I watch vtubers honestly, there more down to earth and real than flesh tubers are typically, because they got that anonimity that lets them show us whats on the inside more, and that's what counts in the end.
I think something a lot of people forget about is the fact that we only see these people when the cameras are rolling, when they’re in their element. When you see your friends doing something they love and/or are really good at, doesn’t it make you feel happy? Doesn’t it make you feel good- proud, even- to be their friend? And being a friend is so much more than hanging out with the “good side” of a person. Being a friend means supporting each other during your worst and building each other up when times get rough. Being a friend means sticking with each other through thick and thin. Laughing with each other, goofing around with each other, being yourself with each other, but also crying with each other, getting serious with each other, letting your true emotions show to each other. Now, I’m not saying that you aren’t capable of doing these things. Quite the contrary, in fact: I’m sure many people reading this comment are great friends. What I’m saying is that being a content creator and viewer and being friends are two very different types of relationships, and it’s important to remember the value you have with the people you already know. Your friends love you deeply, even if you don’t realize it, and maybe even more than you realize, and that bond is something that you should always remember and appreciate, no matter what
Honestly, I used to be like her, like wishing the CZcamsrs i watched to be like my bros and stuff but as i grew older, i just see them as entertainers and you know what i liked it that way, it keeps my day better. Plus, real friendship is something you have to earn and build, and its amazing to have.
Fantastic answer.
Pretty bold of fauna to assume that I had friends to begin with.
Hope you will get one soon bro. Having someone you can truly call a friend, even if it's just one, honestly isn't bad.
Obviously, she can never be my friend, ppl fr needs to touch some grass. She's my mommy
Hey if the end result is management bans the dude from every channel, thats a win.
My definition of real friend is would I invite them to my house and would I go to their house. I have "work friends" and used to have "school friends" back when I was in school. They were the people i would hang out with when I was at that location, but not really outside of it.
What Fauna said was really sweet; saying our own friends are just as interesting ...
That's my oshi
An alternate form of the parasocial relationship talked about here by Fauna is the type where people think the streamer owes them something just because they donate superchats or join membership. The shrimps over at Gura's have been extremely disappointing on multiple occasions, justifying their atrocious behaviour and overbearing kindness with 'care and concern for Gura', and because 'they deserve an answer'. Poor Gura couldn't even catch a break.
You don't become a customer by donating to a streamer, nor do you become a business partner. You're still a viewer, and what you get from a streamer is what you get. No one 'deserves more'. Tons of people still refuse to understand this though.
My honest opinion is the same with any continued subscription or media. You pay to support what you want and continue getting that content. Not for anything more then what you are getting.
After all if the streamer can't afford basic needs etc they can't stream as a career.
Donations for me are the same as you throwing money at a Street Performer, because you like what you saw and you wanna see more of them. But just because you put $1000 in their hat, doesn't mean that you earned the rights to get personal or control their life.
@@Cosmoman78
That reminds me of one time way back when Ollie got a request for a simple happy birthday... on a donation of 5 grand. She got disconcerted and kept asking "what do you want me to do?!", which is generally a bad move. Excusable given her inexperience back then, but still not a great move.
It's kind of crazy how needy streamer fans be with how often they normally stream compared to edited video YT'rs like Jontron just casually dissappearing for a 1.75 years and then not a single person complains when he comes back.
The only one I half sympathize with is the members (if a streamer does advertise monthly membership streams and doesn't deliver that's false advertising, but I don't think any of them state they make new ones monthly). Superchats entitle you to absolutely nothing, they can delete offensive messages without a refund.
@@gamerguy425
Pretty much this. Supas are nothing but regular messages with very expensive highlighter ink.
Fauna: *Gives reasonable and decently worded response to a troll question*
vt: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MY OSHI HATES ME" *uncontrollably pisses itself in anger*
This have hurt many and left but for me, she earned my respect knowing the consequences but still talked about it.
Seeing the alarmingly common parasociality and strange forms of attachment from viewers of (particularly vtuber) streamers is always jarring to me. It's all just entertainment, that's it.
For those who are seriously upset about this, go take a break. Like, really take a break. Isolate yourself from the internet, go out on a hike or a vacation, anything. Touching grass would be a good start.
Not a good excuse to not blame Fauna for this travesty
hahahha yalll give her money 😂😂
Love her answer.
Knowledge acquired: saplings have friends irl.
Fauna is a great Entertainer! :)
I genuinely didnt expect people to try and make a big deal over this whole segment. (Although i didnt really see the text of the superchat) Its good that Fauna made it clear for those that couldnt already tell, though. I completely understand the desire to be friends with content creators, but its almost never sunshine and rainbows. I speak from experience on this one.
Fauna, the Hololive Idol "You shouldn't idolize me"
Saplings *confused Jackie Chan face*
Of course she cant be my friend, why would my mommy be my friend?
She's not my friend, she's my oshi. Duh.
so basically by the terms of the SC, saplings are just simps
Basically, she didn't deny that part. Then you have her hugbox who agree with her pretending that they aren't as parasocial as babski when the lot of them kept getting comments criticizing fauna deleted regardless of your member status. She could've ignored babski like she's forgotten so many other SCs but nah, had to read what wee already knew but didn't need her to say.
I CAN APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE FROM FAUNA BUT WHY QUOTE GRIFFITH, A MAN WHO LITERALLY BETRAYED ALL OF HIS FRIENDS
This is the best way I've ever seen this question answered, Im a little amazed
I believe Astel adressed the same topic some time ago, and it really isn't anything to be upset about. Connection to our favourite VTuber talents may be more direct, but we are not friends with them just as we are not friends with the members of our favourite bands or cast and crew of our favourite films.
Based Fauna, as always!
This is so refreshing to hear. I hate when streamers feed into and encourage people to have a parasocial relationship with them. It's extremely toxic, and essentially the modern version of; the girls in "corn" will never cheat on you or hate you kinda thing.
That's how people get stalkers.
Handled elegantly.
admiring someone unconditionally is great