The Lost and Abandoned Roads of Portland, Oregon
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Over time I have taken an interest in just about anything abandoned, and that has ultimately included roads. I’m out of town on a little vacation and while I’m away I put together this little video diving into the several experiences I’ve had stumbling on to abandoned or closed down roads in the Portland area. I’m sure there are many more that I will see in the future but for now here are the ones I have found and how they ended up that way.
Enjoy!
just subscribed, i was born and raised in Portland, your channel is like a treasure trove of interesting local history and hidden secrets. thanks for being yourself and doing your thing. since ive moved away this channel has become my way to explore new secrets about the city! ps you kinda look like Elliott Smith. peace
Thanks a bunch! I’m glad my channel’s been good for those who no longer live here.
Interesting! Have you done the Pioneer Cemeteries around town? Around 1989 I was doing a painting job at the golf course in King City and went to find a place to get stoned at lunch, so I drove up a tiny little road curving up from HWY99 right across from where Bull Mountain Road ends. 100 yards up the hill and I was in the trees - as well as a bunch of old head stones! There's an old cemetery there!
There's also that weird Clackamas Pioneers Cemetery off 82nd Drive by the post office
Yessah!! There's a lot of small cemeteries around Portland, it would be a good topic for Steve🤙🏼
@@mikeinportland30theres another on Clackamas river drive too right at the round about next to 205. There was once an old orphanage where the overpass is now
there’s a very small pioneer cemetery on SE Chitwood RD, right off HWY 212 into damascus. i always drive by it on my pizza deliveries, i’ve been curious for a while about it.
I grew up right their! It used to be a trolly running from Portland to Oregon city!, my grandmothers friend who passed in the 90's her husband was the conductor for the trolly!
Hey Steve! There was a small landslide up on Mt. Tabor very recently, at the amphitheater, and I believe that it exposed a stone wall that wasn’t visible before. It put me in mind of the rumored cave system up on Mt. Tabor that I believe you mentioned, that was walled up because some local boys disappeared in it. Worth a visit perhaps?
That does sound interesting. I might need to make my way up there at some point.
I lived up in Portland from September 1995 to September 2021. Our first house was 2331 N.E. Weidler St, in Sullivan's Gulch, then in March 2003 we moved to the west side. From March23, 2003 to September 13, 2021, we lived at 8465 S.W. Godwin Court, which is in Garden Home. I live in Southern California now. I sure do miss Portland Oregon and all of the beauty it has to offer. I came across your channel a few months ago, it's a complete gem! Steve, you bring up wonderful memories of when I lived there. Keep up the awesome work with your channel. You have a viewer for life.
Thank you so much! I’ve had a lot of people who no longer live here express similar sentiment. I’m really glad what I’m putting out is having that kind of effect!
I was born and raised in Portland and moved out about 16 years ago. Your videos help with my homesickness. The history and information is awesome. Thank you
Old 82nd St. enters Gladstone where the exit for Gladstone is on 205. Old 82nd continues North from where it meets Oatfield Rd. and connected with the current 82nd Ave., which became Union Ave further north as it entered Portland.
I have some old pictures from around 1920 which show a road that splits off Southeast from Old 82nd St. Dr. just South of where 205 now crosses the Clackamas and which appears to be the original foot of Clackamas River Drive.
In those pictures the area where 205 now sits is a wooded marshy area.
My brother-in-law’s family owned a cottage inside the evangelical conference grounds a block closer to river from where you filmed when he and my sister met. They got married in that little white church and their cottage was directly across the street.
The view from that Oregon City lookout was amazing!! The horse-drawn wagon on Cornell Rd with the wood log guard rails make me happy for modern roads and steel.😮 Another enjoyable history lesson today. Thanks Steve.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Can you do a video on the Portland Speedway location? That would be awesome!! Thanks again for your great work 👍 👏
Perhaps he could look into the Rose City Speedway also which is now the Rose City Golf Course. I've looked at Lidar but can't determine specifically where the old track was.
Last year I road my bike from Gresham down springwater to the willamette, south to Clackamas River, then up to suinyside and 205, and back…
That ride took me to that abandoned road you first discovered… I like riding the paths… but odd roads like this one are very inviting to explore!
Great video my friend!
Fascinating video. Having lived in north Clackamas county my entire life, it was strange seeing so many familiar places to me being documented. Some of these I'd never seen or heard of at all, while some I've gone by and acknowledged for nearly 30 years. Thanks for showing me another part of my hood!
Inspiring. I rode my bike around N Portland today under the Fremont Bridge. There's a new skate park near North Coast Studios. Also on the East side of I-5 the alleys next to the freeway are interesting to walk.
N. Kerby dead ends in a cool spot just West of I-5.
Super rad dude! It's super cool to see the remains of yesteryear. I moved down here because I couldn't afford the Seattle area anymore, and it's amazing how many cool little spots are tucked away in this city.
It's cool you found those old sections of Vanport. I lived in Kenton for years and cruised all around there on foot and on my bike.
I used to door dash full time in portland. The number of completely overgrown abandoned side streets and alley ways in the north and northeast suburbs is astounding
Hi Steve! Love your videos of Portland and the surrounding areas. I recently watched your four year-old video of dangerous in the West Hills . I am 71 year old hippie and was born and raised in Portland up in the southwest hills of Corbett and LaView Drive . I went to Wilson, high school, and that area that you walked in the Southwest hills. I know very well. . All of Vista Dr., Washington Park and Council Crest was our high school hangout! It really brought back so many memories of those times and I’d like to thank you for that! I found all of your videos, so fascinating of all the historical events and places here in this beautiful city! Keep up the great work!!!!
Thanks so much! Yeah I love that area. I’ve lived pretty much my whole life on the east side so I love going to west side spots aside from the downtown area cause I feel that “I could be anywhere in the world” vibe kick in.
It's so funny seeing the bluff 29:23. I grew up in Oregon City and literally right down the street from here, about a 3 minute walk. Used to walk that trail all the time over the years
I love Portland man. I feel a sense of comfort in watching you explore the city because it’s something I always want to do
Excellent story telling and great video! learned a lot about Portland that I would never have known about!
Thank you! That’s what I love too. A lot of the stuff I cover I go in knowing little about so it ends up being a learning experience for me too. 😀
Ha! I recognized that old section of road at the very beginning! Old alignment of hwy 97 just between Biggs Jct and the town of Wasco! I actually remember the road like that until probably the early 2000's....I'm a Hood River native and this is really interesting stuff!!! I'm big into old roads from the 1920s. Great stuff!
That’s so cool I hear it was once connected to Highway 97. We were just driving around for fun and I assumed in the moment someone just dumped lots of dirt on the road years ago to keep random people out… realizing later that didn’t make a whole lot of sense.
i fuckin love seeing other people who are even nerdier about urbex than i am ;3
That evangelical center in Jennings Lodge is also blocks away from the site of the original location of Bob Moores (Bob's Red Mill) first grain grinding mill. It burned down in '88 though I don't know if there are any remnants of it to find.
Yeah I love that the original mill was so close by. When I first started my original channel that was one of the first places I videoed at cause it was like a 10 minute walk from where I lived.
The second abandoned road you went on next to those bridges is very close to a swim spot I’ve been to called high rocks, if you keep going down there then went down a trail it would be a cool spot for cliffs jumping and swimming
I loved this video. I've been fascinated by abandoned roads since I was a very young girl. Thank you.
Love this content! I’ve actually explored a lot of these places too. So interesting! 😊
It really is. I love stumbling onto new to me but mostly forgotten places.
Great video! Thanks Steve!😊
Very awesome! I know a few spots in Portland like this. When you're out exploring, how do you avoid the tweakers? That's the biggest holdback for me right now.
4:49 I know exactly where that is. That "police stuff" is the state medical examiner's office. A pretty cool place where they do a lot with autopsies and death investigation. We got to tour and learn about it during the cadet volunteer academy.
Seeing you walk that bridge above the clackamas river brought back some nostalgia, me and my friends used to walk down to high rocks from that abandoned road, fun place to swim but can be dangerous
Yeah I went to high school not too far from there and I remember people from school talking about going to high rocks over the weekend and I’d always have at least a small bit of relief when I’d see them back at school the following Monday.
2 of my favorite Multnomah County Cemeteries. Jones Cemetery & Columbia Pioneer Cemetery.
Thanks for this history lesson, makes me want to go out and drive around eastern oregon and explore abandon roads out there, I grew up in hermiston and really miss that geography
I’m planning on going out eastern Oregon way on a trip with my wife. Despite being a lifelong Oregonian I’ve never been further east than Antelope…. which is just criminal.
@@StevetheAmateurHistorian try and check out john day I think you'll really enjoy it out there, there is so much history, and when you go to the john day river itself, you're guaranteed to find agates
In the town of John day there's a highschool that behind the building you can dig for fossils, it was free back then but donations welcome, haven't been there in awhile though, found alot of leaf fossils which was cool
@@StevetheAmateurHistorian my other comment is randomly gone, but in it I mentioned checking out John day and forgot to correct myself but the town "fossil" has a fossil bed dig site behind a highschool that was donations welcome but they now have a $5, but it's totally worth it for the amount of fossils you can find
Peter dibble has a great video about the freeway offramps for freeways that never came to be. Kind of similar to your video. Nice work man!
Oh yeah I’ve seen that one. Needless to say I’m a big fan of his channel.
The train sound... 22:25 ... Omg I’m homesick... it never goes away. 😔
Your curiosity is really interesting...
There are several sections of the old St Helens road before Hwy 30 went through in Columbia County
I think I saw that heading to the coast this week. I saw lots of little off shoots with the signs that say “Old Hwy 30” on them.
I used to bike around that exact part of town every when I used to live in clackamas, I remember biking that stretch of abandoned road at night once, very eerie especially since you never know who you’re gonna run into down in crackamas
I really appreciate videos like this. I am always looking for abandoned roads/trails to ride bikes on.
i love the oregon city bluff (waterboard park rd) fun fact if you go deep into those woods, where you found the kids bikes, there is beautiful hidden cliff faces and caves that are sparsely explored. And if you keep going, you can find “Coalca’s Pillar” a massive standing rock up on the side of the cliff from HWY 99E, it’s very hard to get to, and along the bottom of the cliff across HWY 99E on a closed road sits the abandoned “Coalca Landing State Park”
I think I may have found some of that. The day I filmed walking up Waterboard Park Rd. I cut into the brush and videoed some in there. But I remember seeing a cliff wall while I was in there.
I’ve been up into those caves! Climbed all the way up with my friends when we were in highschool.
I live right next to Swan Island. I'll have to check out some of these places. I just watched your video about Kelly Butte, haven't been there. We should go!
My family used to attend a Lutheran Church at the edge of Maywood Park, just west of 102nd. I believe it's possible that this church was on Hancock Drive.
Always good stuff, sir!💯
Thank you so much!
Those are abandoned roads behind the Costco. There even used to be an old Sidewinder dirt race track further up the hill.
I was over on Alberta the other day and found this narrow alleyway that had clearly seen SOME vehicle traffic at some point but looked like it hadn't been driven in years. It ran on and on, and all I could see was trees, grass, dirt, and a little bit of people's back yards but not that much. It was as if a forest road had been fully built up around and forgotten.
i think I'm gonna have to check out some of these spots via dirtbike.
There's a cool abandoned bridge at 30 and Cornelius Pass
Awesome can’t wait man !
Nice job on this.. interesting..✌️
Thanks!
Very interesting!
You should look a slavin road in sw. The end was apparently shut down due to a landslide. The entire road is a nightmare to drive on and the end is blocked off with dirt behind. There’s a good story to it
I live in the newest sextant of the city, South Portland. Interstate 5, 99W, and other routes have cut off so many streets near the river.
Neat i may go visit 84th today i live right there lol
That part of 205 multi use is great because there is a bridge that goes under the 205. The first time i caught the freight train out of Milwaukee we went past that bridge and came out under the clackamas inn (short first ride)
I remember that night i watched a girl get changed probably nine times. That was my first experience with people using meth.
Very cool video
You were practically my neighbor when you lived in Jennings Lodge. I’m just down Jennings a little further. Have you ever explored the Cove area? It is ancient industrial land but it’s quickly being developed into condos.
Cool vid!!
I really enjoy your videos any chance you might do or could do the history of past school of Portland for example Adam's High School where it sat on 39th and Washington High in SE Portland
There’s a possibility. I briefly converted some of that in a video I did about the movie Elephant cause they used the old John Adams High School. I’ve really been interesting in driving back into super early Portland school history too.
I was hoping to hear and learn more about Washington High School, and more of the past and all of the schools that are not used as high schools like Monroe the old schools that Roosevelt took over. Also the land Cleveland High sits on, when Jackson High School was actually a high school thanks for the info.
I remember the White Castle up in the West Hills my dad and I went up there a few times this one time they're remodeling it it was like 81 or something it was being remodeled like we said and I went around the back of it can I put my hand on a clay drain pipe which brought the whole thing down but I thought the tore it down it was about the time they were building the building that hangs off of the side of the Hill the castle is on very Solid Ground this sort of connects the two areas with the tall set upstairs on the West Hills I believe it's 12th Avenue just crosses over the 405 there's like a road that turns to the South and starts heading slightly up the hill so it kind of goes around there is a new development halfway up that hill that goes out of the way and is actually closed off access is only from above and when I went through that area I ended up at the area that's above the longest set of steps cuz it goes all the way down to almost duniway Park but that new development with the closed off Street went through to this development between that one there was a definite area that was hiking area but I could see it was taken out like that one was that you start the video out both sides I said Lids to this kind of circular building that's hanging off the edge of the thing but in a circular Arc very beautiful building this was also being built about the same time but they built it a whole lot better and that other one that was right next to the castle and that's because I started talking about some of the history and the road that kind of leads between the two of them I have to think that there must have been development on that street so when they took this down to put in the new development it was a narrow street but like I said this development is at the bottom of the road that turns into 12 so through that development and at the very top of it there was that road that connected it to that cool Roundhouse has the wooden stairs the 309 step had kind of interesting Landings it was being regularly maintained in the center of it add a couple's places there was a place to sit down I went half way up those stairs and sat down and then I heard the homeless person that was underneath there because I've been aware that there have been people like camping right at the center of that thing anyway I should say that the concrete steps the 180 that was on 12th it looked like you were walking straight up from 12:00 and it was in line with 12th Avenue so it's the 12th Avenue steps there were some interesting houses that were about halfway up there at the bottom there's a cool little building with a garage and then a little hallway that led to a elevator real real weird and sketchy elevator and once again I'm talking about the 12th Street stairs just on the other side of the 405 about PSU basically leaves PSU proper because the back of the library the auditorium and then start climbing up this bridge over 405 you have this funky 50s built apartment complex maybe 40s and you want to just walk up that hill or if you could drive up there but there's no parking
So also on kind of almost on top of the bridge remember hearing about some people that had property there and they were still living there but the city didn't want anybody go back there and build it so they made their lives kind of miserable the families life miserable and then they said well they could stay there until they died and then the family generously going to donate property or that's what I kind of got the feeling of from my dad about his opinion on these things but that was on the other side of that West Hills tunnel so they also took down lots of Roads you used to be able to get on and off Sunset Highway they eliminated those roads probably because it was going to become just a freeway entrance from the Goose Hollow area just about where the MAX train goes into the tunnel that doesn't goes underneath the zoo fact if you want to go to the road that you used to be able to accessible from the parking lot also was eliminated but just the exit most likely because it was coming into a area that was now a one-way that's probably why they got rid of those Pizza property overlooking the west side of the can get up to where that house on something called Ford Road the entrance to that little neighborhood is right above I know above that neighborhood and now I'm talking about a different location entirely possibly that house would have been that they eliminated the roads on the other side of the Sunset Highway tunnel and it does go but now I'm talking about that development that's up above that area that is accessible from what it's called The Suicide Bridge now they put barricades on it so it can't be climbed over over the
I love that little trail that ends at Costco it continues on the other side of that little creek so where you were on it was on the south side of the creek from 160 something something to 137th that street the Costco goes by but you can go all the way a long list Trail then it meets up with the train tracks I think a derelict set of tracks although I think trains can get through there but they're just for the development area off of Airport Way which of course it goes basically ends before 122nd sort of in that development where when I was exploring this area a decade ago I had also discovered that there are Trails off of if you take the 205 from like Parkrose there is this Trail that you could also access from Cascade Station the max station off of Airport Way I don't mean Airport Way anyway if you head towards I guess it would be South of the airport yeah this is only accessible from really the 205 path although like I said you could also I think I walked on what was seemingly closed Road by the airport I think it used to assess
I'm so grateful the work you do! I lived in a house on Thorburn Street in the late sixties and early seventies while in middle and high school. There is another stretch of Stark Street on the west side of Mt Tabor that is closed off as well. I used cut through on my paper route. Also, while in high school, my friends and I would drive on Leif Ericson Drive and Salzman Road, as they were still open to motor vehicles in the early seventies. I'm not sure when they were closed, but were still open at that time. Thanks again!
That’s so cool! I’m thinking about doing a more in depth video in the future on all those old Forest Park roads. I guess even into the 60s there were lots of little short ones that are now long gone.
You should check out the river resource museum in Oregon city and do a video on it.
Thanks Steve.
That area I saw you filming looks like it's right out by Providence and it's gated up I looked in there but I don't know if that's the same place anyway
There's sections of Mt Hood Loop Hwy aka Hwy 35 from Hood River to government camp that is super cool to scope out! I lived on an old section from when I was 6 in 1980 until my dad died and had to sell the place in 2017. The property was in my family since 1964. Neat old history!
When you look at apples map software it still lists Jennings lodge retreat center.
I drive from Portland to Astoria a lot and I'm always driving my girlfriend crazy pointing out all the old sections of old highway 30 that are still visible.
If you keep going up 84th past the police office there is an abandoned road I’ve seen. Having driven into PCC right there I’ve seen it
Born and raised and just started watching your content. There are quite a few areas I know of as well up in the St Johns area where I grew up. We are similar age and I lived in Milwaukie Gladstone at one point and you look familiar. I wouldn't be surprised if we knew each other at some point. Don't worry about using old footage as well. All part of the gig. What I think would help though when changing locations is maybe a small map or something idk. Or maybe I just need to pay better attention lol
That actually was my first thought after I already put the video up was sticking a few maps to note the locations, especially since half the spots are outside the city.
I live in Ohio..never even been close to Portland..lol I somehow came across one of your videos. I love historical true crime cases. You are an excellent storyteller. I found myself accidentally laughing loudly at the park video where the kid flew off the Ferris wheel into the lake & the biggest elephant in the world trampled everyone & everything. How did anyone live past the year 1900 with EVERYTHING you rode, wore or ate being so dangerous? lol I was also excited to find that you discuss the history of Asian & black communities there. I would not have wanted to work there in Portland. Thank you for ALL of your hard work. I very much am enjoying your channel😊
So glad you found and am enjoying the channel. I actually have a lot of long term subs from the eastern half of the US so glad to see I’ve gained another viewer.
My coworker at the Clackamas costco used to take that trail to pee free in nature on his lunch breaks lol
I didn't realize that you live within walking distance of me!
I would be interested in seeing an "Alleyways of Portland" video. When I lived in the Foster-Powell neighborhood I would go on walks with my daughter. Between SE 62nd & 72nd there are multiple North-South alleyways that nobody has driven down in decades that were overgrown but still had some mystery.
I actually did a video a few years back where I specifically walked the alleyways in that area. I’ve definitely considered doing a more in depth Portland alleyways video cause I love that there’s not a lot of them but then there’s areas like Foster-Powell or up in North Portland where there’s suddenly a lot. I’m sure there’s an interesting history in there.
Here’s the link to that video I did: czcams.com/video/92uiFDz5pew/video.htmlfeature=shared
@@StevetheAmateurHistorian Just watched it. Thanks for the link. I was still living on Foster in that area in 2018. Makes me a little nostalgic
16:20 There's a small trail that's walkable between 73 and 74 on SE Stark -- it's pretty steep, so I understand why it was cut off from traffic. The trail entrance from the top is at the left of the guard rail. the bottom is at the end of the gravel drive. AFAIK these are still public rights-of-way so you're not trespassing anybody's property by using them.
Anytime there's some place or thing we're not supposed to find it's police, military or the power company. Maybe a golf course and airport or a racetrack.
They've removed all our racetracks around here. I miss Portland Speedway.
I enjoy your videos, your narrating is excellent, easy to listen to. I have a request, but would understand if this would be too far off from what you do here. Would you cover & video the various sites in and around Portland that were in the TV series’s “Grimm”. I recently watched the entire series on Amazon Prime and enjoyed the many Portland areas in the show. It would be fun to see those areas now, several years later from when the show was being filmed. Thank you if you can. Understand if you cannot. I will still enjoy your show as is.
I might do something like that. I haven’t covered filming locations in a while. I remember a few years ago Walking through Pier Park in St. Johns where I think they filmed for Grimm and they even have a market for it up there.
Nice. Thanks a lot
This may tie nicely with your Sellwood bridge video bc I was down at Marine Park yesterday and there is some kind of old road half buried I the grass to the left of the park when looking at the river. It seems like it’s not that old of a road tho maybe a few decades. I could be wrong. I wondered if it was the original Sellwood bridge road but I don’t think so
I want to say I’m familiar with that. I used to run down under the bridge with my cross country team and I remember there at least being a trail and some articles I found on the Sellwood Bridge suggest getting a car down close to the river was fairly easy, so there may have been a road there at some time.
@@StevetheAmateurHistorianthat’s so cool. Loved this video Steve! Thanks for sharing it
You opened between Biggs and Wasco
On water board rd. There is a cave. Were the bicyclists were hanging out
32:44
That tree looks like a dogs head 😮 awesome 😎
I wanna walk back there
Why wouldn't you find them amazing or at least interesting they're cool I mean it's like you're looking at man's mortality man's possible future you're looking into the past and into the future at the same time you seeing what you fear from a third person perspective it gives you the chills and it gives you all and wonder what could be what was and what you might find
Coroner’s office building is back there
Back in the 90s there used to be an exit that took you to the Costco area in the west bound lane of I-84. I believe that section was changed in the mid to late 90s when the took out the old Kruger's truck stop where camping world is now. The exit was basically right across the freeway from where now you exit into Troutdale heading east towards the Columbia Gorge. Also back then in the east bound lane of I-84 was an exit that was the old Hwy 30. Where before the interstate was made the old alignment was. If that makes sense. You can still see the guardrail from the freeway the NW side
I want to say I vaguely remember that old exit. I lived in Fairview till ‘92 and we were on I-84 going through Totaled and the Gorge. And I know my mom worked at Kruger’s like around ‘83-‘84 so she probably spent more time out there back in the day.
Great old history dude! I'm not that familiar of Portland but it's interesting to watch! My real extent was going to omsi when it was by the zoo back in the mid 80s along with watching 2 Joe satriani concerts in the early 90s at the arlene schnitzer hall then in 1997 watching days of the new at the La Luna..... do you ever think you'll go scope out old remnants of other old hwys in the near future? Thanks! Paul Shelton 👍
If you start to run out of roads, start on the rails - lots of people, including me, are making or have made rail adapters for their bikes or what have you, many times more than actually put videos up on YT - sometimes they even run into each other lol
I would also recommend getting a good respirator (the lightweight IIC pink filter 3M ones will get rid of most of the bad stuff kicked up into the air from freeway use). If I have to ride along a bunch of roads at some point, I will have to wear one inside my helmet, so I've already looked up ones that fit. I commuted to Hillsboro from NE PDX for like 25 years and the thing I hated the most and miss the least was being stuck in traffic and the filters still won't stop everything from coming in, especially the carbon monoxide.
What you talking about Willis I live in Portland Oregon where who win what why take me to these roads now I must see them
@StevetheAmateurHistorian. On the Springwater Corridor there used to be what looks like an abandoned red brick factory or storage for bricks. Just wondering if you've ever covered that? Love your channel. Great work and I'm always surprised you're not more popular.
Maybe you mean the old streetcar electric generator bldg as the trail nears Foster Rd? There's a similar bigger one on SE 11th Ave in Sellwood next to the trail.
@@mikeinportland30 I haven't been out there in years, but I think it's further out than Foster rd. Huge stacks of tumbled red bricks and a building that is falling apart and engulfed in growth. Tons of blackberries, I used to go pick in that area right about now. That was 25 years ago though. So much has changed on the trail it may not even be there anymore.
@@PDXborn It's not that one then. Now you have me intrigued so I will get the bike out for a Springwater reconnaissance ride!
@@mikeinportland30 Yeah, that's how I discovered it, riding the trail from Portland Eastside waterfront to get away from the heat and picking berries and then riding back at dusk. So much fun back then. Hope you find it. Always was curious how something like that could be abandoned. There was enough brick out there to build many homes.
I know Klearski the Kreeper, another local vlogger did a video a while back on an abandoned place and I swear there were bricks everywhere. I think that was near the Coridor more over in the Gresham area.
Is that Nick in the beginning? Small world lol
That most certainly is Nick…. assuming we’re talking about the same Nick which I’m pretty sure we are. 🤣
Hey Steve 😊
Hi Steve, I have a question, I mean no disrespect. I was just wondering why you don't reply to your subs? I really enjoy your videos, but I notice that you don't reply back to your fans? Like I mentioned bro I mean no disrespect, I am curious friend. Thank you for the great content
Hmmm Free way
Whats free about it?
Thanks Steve ❤
1955 (I-84)
Um missing 411 and stairways go no where
Yeah I know what's up the kind of places you find when you're looking somewhere to get high
SE Clinton street. It has not been serviced. Ever.
I can’t wait until you stumble upon the destroyed knowledge that Oregon was once part of the Ottoman Empire. Some of the old structures were made 100s if not 1000s of years ago.
Oregoonians rejoice,your grandparents voted against every infrastructure improvement for fifty years. Unlivable town.
I-205, amongst a ton of seemingly non stop road development, would say otherwise
I remember the White Castle up in the West Hills my dad and I went up there a few times this one time they're remodeling it it was like 81 or something it was being remodeled like we said and I went around the back of it can I put my hand on a clay drain pipe which brought the whole thing down but I thought the tore it down it was about the time they were building the building that hangs off of the side of the Hill the castle is on very Solid Ground this sort of connects the two areas with the tall set upstairs on the West Hills I believe it's 12th Avenue just crosses over the 405 there's like a road that turns to the South and starts heading slightly up the hill so it kind of goes around there is a new development halfway up that hill that goes out of the way and is actually closed off access is only from above and when I went through that area I ended up at the area that's above the longest set of steps cuz it goes all the way down to almost duniway Park but that new development with the closed off Street went through to this development between that one there was a definite area that was hiking area but I could see it was taken out like that one was that you start the video out both sides I said Lids to this kind of circular building that's hanging off the edge of the thing but in a circular Arc very beautiful building this was also being built about the same time but they built it a whole lot better and that other one that was right next to the castle and that's because I started talking about some of the history and the road that kind of leads between the two of them I have to think that there must have been development on that street so when they took this down to put in the new development it was a narrow street but like I said this development is at the bottom of the road that turns into 12 so through that development and at the very top of it there was that road that connected it to that cool Roundhouse has the wooden stairs the 309 step had kind of interesting Landings it was being regularly maintained in the center of it add a couple's places there was a place to sit down I went half way up those stairs and sat down and then I heard the homeless person that was underneath there because I've been aware that there have been people like camping right at the center of that thing anyway I should say that the concrete steps the 180 that was on 12th it looked like you were walking straight up from 12:00 and it was in line with 12th Avenue so it's the 12th Avenue steps there were some interesting houses that were about halfway up there at the bottom there's a cool little building with a garage and then a little hallway that led to a elevator real real weird and sketchy elevator and once again I'm talking about the 12th Street stairs just on the other side of the 405 about PSU basically leaves PSU proper because the back of the library the auditorium and then start climbing up this bridge over 405 you have this funky 50s built apartment complex maybe 40s and you want to just walk up that hill or if you could drive up there but there's no parking
So also on kind of almost on top of the bridge remember hearing about some people that had property there and they were still living there but the city didn't want anybody go back there and build it so they made their lives kind of miserable the families life miserable and then they said well they could stay there until they died and then the family generously going to donate property or that's what I kind of got the feeling of from my dad about his opinion on these things but that was on the other side of that West Hills tunnel so they also took down lots of Roads you used to be able to get on and off Sunset Highway they eliminated those roads probably because it was going to become just a freeway entrance from the Goose Hollow area just about where the MAX train goes into the tunnel that doesn't goes underneath the zoo fact if you want to go to the road that you used to be able to accessible from the parking lot also was eliminated but just the exit most likely because it was coming into a area that was now a one-way that's probably why they got rid of those Pizza property overlooking the west side of the can get up to where that house on something called Ford Road the entrance to that little neighborhood is right above I know above that neighborhood and now I'm talking about a different location entirely possibly that house would have been that they eliminated the roads on the other side of the Sunset Highway tunnel and it does go but now I'm talking about that development that's up above that area that is accessible from what it's called The Suicide Bridge now they put barricades on it so it can't be climbed over over the
I love that little trail that ends at Costco it continues on the other side of that little creek so where you were on it was on the south side of the creek from 160 something something to 137th that street the Costco goes by but you can go all the way a long list Trail then it meets up with the train tracks I think a derelict set of tracks although I think trains can get through there but they're just for the development area off of Airport Way which of course it goes basically ends before 122nd sort of in that development where when I was exploring this area a decade ago I had also discovered that there are Trails off of if you take the 205 from like Parkrose there is this Trail that you could also access from Cascade Station the max station off of Airport Way I don't mean Airport Way anyway if you head towards I guess it would be South of the airport yeah this is only accessible from really the 205 path although like I said you could also I think I walked on what was seemingly closed Road by the airport I think it used to assess
I remember the White Castle up in the West Hills my dad and I went up there a few times this one time they're remodeling it it was like 81 or something it was being remodeled like we said and I went around the back of it can I put my hand on a clay drain pipe which brought the whole thing down but I thought the tore it down it was about the time they were building the building that hangs off of the side of the Hill the castle is on very Solid Ground this sort of connects the two areas with the tall set upstairs on the West Hills I believe it's 12th Avenue just crosses over the 405 there's like a road that turns to the South and starts heading slightly up the hill so it kind of goes around there is a new development halfway up that hill that goes out of the way and is actually closed off access is only from above and when I went through that area I ended up at the area that's above the longest set of steps cuz it goes all the way down to almost duniway Park but that new development with the closed off Street went through to this development between that one there was a definite area that was hiking area but I could see it was taken out like that one was that you start the video out both sides I said Lids to this kind of circular building that's hanging off the edge of the thing but in a circular Arc very beautiful building this was also being built about the same time but they built it a whole lot better and that other one that was right next to the castle and that's because I started talking about some of the history and the road that kind of leads between the two of them I have to think that there must have been development on that street so when they took this down to put in the new development it was a narrow street but like I said this development is at the bottom of the road that turns into 12 so through that development and at the very top of it there was that road that connected it to that cool Roundhouse has the wooden stairs the 309 step had kind of interesting Landings it was being regularly maintained in the center of it add a couple's places there was a place to sit down I went half way up those stairs and sat down and then I heard the homeless person that was underneath there because I've been aware that there have been people like camping right at the center of that thing anyway I should say that the concrete steps the 180 that was on 12th it looked like you were walking straight up from 12:00 and it was in line with 12th Avenue so it's the 12th Avenue steps there were some interesting houses that were about halfway up there at the bottom there's a cool little building with a garage and then a little hallway that led to a elevator real real weird and sketchy elevator and once again I'm talking about the 12th Street stairs just on the other side of the 405 about PSU basically leaves PSU proper because the back of the library the auditorium and then start climbing up this bridge over 405 you have this funky 50s built apartment complex maybe 40s and you want to just walk up that hill or if you could drive up there but there's no parking
So also on kind of almost on top of the bridge remember hearing about some people that had property there and they were still living there but the city didn't want anybody go back there and build it so they made their lives kind of miserable the families life miserable and then they said well they could stay there until they died and then the family generously going to donate property or that's what I kind of got the feeling of from my dad about his opinion on these things but that was on the other side of that West Hills tunnel so they also took down lots of Roads you used to be able to get on and off Sunset Highway they eliminated those roads probably because it was going to become just a freeway entrance from the Goose Hollow area just about where the MAX train goes into the tunnel that doesn't goes underneath the zoo fact if you want to go to the road that you used to be able to accessible from the parking lot also was eliminated but just the exit most likely because it was coming into a area that was now a one-way that's probably why they got rid of those Pizza property overlooking the west side of the can get up to where that house on something called Ford Road the entrance to that little neighborhood is right above I know above that neighborhood and now I'm talking about a different location entirely possibly that house would have been that they eliminated the roads on the other side of the Sunset Highway tunnel and it does go but now I'm talking about that development that's up above that area that is accessible from what it's called The Suicide Bridge now they put barricades on it so it can't be climbed over over the
I love that little trail that ends at Costco it continues on the other side of that little creek so where you were on it was on the south side of the creek from 160 something something to 137th that street the Costco goes by but you can go all the way a long list Trail then it meets up with the train tracks I think a derelict set of tracks although I think trains can get through there but they're just for the development area off of Airport Way which of course it goes basically ends before 122nd sort of in that development where when I was exploring this area a decade ago I had also discovered that there are Trails off of if you take the 205 from like Parkrose there is this Trail that you could also access from Cascade Station the max station off of Airport Way I don't mean Airport Way anyway if you head towards I guess it would be South of the airport yeah this is only accessible from really the 205 path although like I said you could also I think I walked on what was seemingly closed Road by the airport I think it used to assess
I remember the White Castle up in the West Hills my dad and I went up there a few times this one time they're remodeling it it was like 81 or something it was being remodeled like we said and I went around the back of it can I put my hand on a clay drain pipe which brought the whole thing down but I thought the tore it down it was about the time they were building the building that hangs off of the side of the Hill the castle is on very Solid Ground this sort of connects the two areas with the tall set upstairs on the West Hills I believe it's 12th Avenue just crosses over the 405 there's like a road that turns to the South and starts heading slightly up the hill so it kind of goes around there is a new development halfway up that hill that goes out of the way and is actually closed off access is only from above and when I went through that area I ended up at the area that's above the longest set of steps cuz it goes all the way down to almost duniway Park but that new development with the closed off Street went through to this development between that one there was a definite area that was hiking area but I could see it was taken out like that one was that you start the video out both sides I said Lids to this kind of circular building that's hanging off the edge of the thing but in a circular Arc very beautiful building this was also being built about the same time but they built it a whole lot better and that other one that was right next to the castle and that's because I started talking about some of the history and the road that kind of leads between the two of them I have to think that there must have been development on that street so when they took this down to put in the new development it was a narrow street but like I said this development is at the bottom of the road that turns into 12 so through that development and at the very top of it there was that road that connected it to that cool Roundhouse has the wooden stairs the 309 step had kind of interesting Landings it was being regularly maintained in the center of it add a couple's places there was a place to sit down I went half way up those stairs and sat down and then I heard the homeless person that was underneath there because I've been aware that there have been people like camping right at the center of that thing anyway I should say that the concrete steps the 180 that was on 12th it looked like you were walking straight up from 12:00 and it was in line with 12th Avenue so it's the 12th Avenue steps there were some interesting houses that were about halfway up there at the bottom there's a cool little building with a garage and then a little hallway that led to a elevator real real weird and sketchy elevator and once again I'm talking about the 12th Street stairs just on the other side of the 405 about PSU basically leaves PSU proper because the back of the library the auditorium and then start climbing up this bridge over 405 you have this funky 50s built apartment complex maybe 40s and you want to just walk up that hill or if you could drive up there but there's no parking
So also on kind of almost on top of the bridge remember hearing about some people that had property there and they were still living there but the city didn't want anybody go back there and build it so they made their lives kind of miserable the families life miserable and then they said well they could stay there until they died and then the family generously going to donate property or that's what I kind of got the feeling of from my dad about his opinion on these things but that was on the other side of that West Hills tunnel so they also took down lots of Roads you used to be able to get on and off Sunset Highway they eliminated those roads probably because it was going to become just a freeway entrance from the Goose Hollow area just about where the MAX train goes into the tunnel that doesn't goes underneath the zoo fact if you want to go to the road that you used to be able to accessible from the parking lot also was eliminated but just the exit most likely because it was coming into a area that was now a one-way that's probably why they got rid of those Pizza property overlooking the west side of the can get up to where that house on something called Ford Road the entrance to that little neighborhood is right above I know above that neighborhood and now I'm talking about a different location entirely possibly that house would have been that they eliminated the roads on the other side of the Sunset Highway tunnel and it does go but now I'm talking about that development that's up above that area that is accessible from what it's called The Suicide Bridge now they put barricades on it so it can't be climbed over over the
I love that little trail that ends at Costco it continues on the other side of that little creek so where you were on it was on the south side of the creek from 160 something something to 137th that street the Costco goes by but you can go all the way a long list Trail then it meets up with the train tracks I think a derelict set of tracks although I think trains can get through there but they're just for the development area off of Airport Way which of course it goes basically ends before 122nd sort of in that development where when I was exploring this area a decade ago I had also discovered that there are Trails off of if you take the 205 from like Parkrose there is this Trail that you could also access from Cascade Station the max station off of Airport Way I don't mean Airport Way anyway if you head towards I guess it would be South of the airport yeah this is only accessible from really the 205 path although like I said you could also I think I walked on what was seemingly closed Road by the airport I think it used to assess
I remember the White Castle up in the West Hills my dad and I went up there a few times this one time they're remodeling it it was like 81 or something it was being remodeled like we said and I went around the back of it can I put my hand on a clay drain pipe which brought the whole thing down but I thought the tore it down it was about the time they were building the building that hangs off of the side of the Hill the castle is on very Solid Ground this sort of connects the two areas with the tall set upstairs on the West Hills I believe it's 12th Avenue just crosses over the 405 there's like a road that turns to the South and starts heading slightly up the hill so it kind of goes around there is a new development halfway up that hill that goes out of the way and is actually closed off access is only from above and when I went through that area I ended up at the area that's above the longest set of steps cuz it goes all the way down to almost duniway Park but that new development with the closed off Street went through to this development between that one there was a definite area that was hiking area but I could see it was taken out like that one was that you start the video out both sides I said Lids to this kind of circular building that's hanging off the edge of the thing but in a circular Arc very beautiful building this was also being built about the same time but they built it a whole lot better and that other one that was right next to the castle and that's because I started talking about some of the history and the road that kind of leads between the two of them I have to think that there must have been development on that street so when they took this down to put in the new development it was a narrow street but like I said this development is at the bottom of the road that turns into 12 so through that development and at the very top of it there was that road that connected it to that cool Roundhouse has the wooden stairs the 309 step had kind of interesting Landings it was being regularly maintained in the center of it add a couple's places there was a place to sit down I went half way up those stairs and sat down and then I heard the homeless person that was underneath there because I've been aware that there have been people like camping right at the center of that thing anyway I should say that the concrete steps the 180 that was on 12th it looked like you were walking straight up from 12:00 and it was in line with 12th Avenue so it's the 12th Avenue steps there were some interesting houses that were about halfway up there at the bottom there's a cool little building with a garage and then a little hallway that led to a elevator real real weird and sketchy elevator and once again I'm talking about the 12th Street stairs just on the other side of the 405 about PSU basically leaves PSU proper because the back of the library the auditorium and then start climbing up this bridge over 405 you have this funky 50s built apartment complex maybe 40s and you want to just walk up that hill or if you could drive up there but there's no parking
So also on kind of almost on top of the bridge remember hearing about some people that had property there and they were still living there but the city didn't want anybody go back there and build it so they made their lives kind of miserable the families life miserable and then they said well they could stay there until they died and then the family generously going to donate property or that's what I kind of got the feeling of from my dad about his opinion on these things but that was on the other side of that West Hills tunnel so they also took down lots of Roads you used to be able to get on and off Sunset Highway they eliminated those roads probably because it was going to become just a freeway entrance from the Goose Hollow area just about where the MAX train goes into the tunnel that doesn't goes underneath the zoo fact if you want to go to the road that you used to be able to accessible from the parking lot also was eliminated but just the exit most likely because it was coming into a area that was now a one-way that's probably why they got rid of those Pizza property overlooking the west side of the can get up to where that house on something called Ford Road the entrance to that little neighborhood is right above I know above that neighborhood and now I'm talking about a different location entirely possibly that house would have been that they eliminated the roads on the other side of the Sunset Highway tunnel and it does go but now I'm talking about that development that's up above that area that is accessible from what it's called The Suicide Bridge now they put barricades on it so it can't be climbed over over the
I love that little trail that ends at Costco it continues on the other side of that little creek so where you were on it was on the south side of the creek from 160 something something to 137th that street the Costco goes by but you can go all the way a long list Trail then it meets up with the train tracks I think a derelict set of tracks although I think trains can get through there but they're just for the development area off of Airport Way which of course it goes basically ends before 122nd sort of in that development where when I was exploring this area a decade ago I had also discovered that there are Trails off of if you take the 205 from like Parkrose there is this Trail that you could also access from Cascade Station the max station off of Airport Way I don't mean Airport Way anyway if you head towards I guess it would be South of the airport yeah this is only accessible from really the 205 path although like I said you could also I think I walked on what was seemingly closed Road by the airport I think it used to assess
I remember the White Castle up in the West Hills my dad and I went up there a few times this one time they're remodeling it it was like 81 or something it was being remodeled like we said and I went around the back of it can I put my hand on a clay drain pipe which brought the whole thing down but I thought the tore it down it was about the time they were building the building that hangs off of the side of the Hill the castle is on very Solid Ground this sort of connects the two areas with the tall set upstairs on the West Hills I believe it's 12th Avenue just crosses over the 405 there's like a road that turns to the South and starts heading slightly up the hill so it kind of goes around there is a new development halfway up that hill that goes out of the way and is actually closed off access is only from above and when I went through that area I ended up at the area that's above the longest set of steps cuz it goes all the way down to almost duniway Park but that new development with the closed off Street went through to this development between that one there was a definite area that was hiking area but I could see it was taken out like that one was that you start the video out both sides I said Lids to this kind of circular building that's hanging off the edge of the thing but in a circular Arc very beautiful building this was also being built about the same time but they built it a whole lot better and that other one that was right next to the castle and that's because I started talking about some of the history and the road that kind of leads between the two of them I have to think that there must have been development on that street so when they took this down to put in the new development it was a narrow street but like I said this development is at the bottom of the road that turns into 12 so through that development and at the very top of it there was that road that connected it to that cool Roundhouse has the wooden stairs the 309 step had kind of interesting Landings it was being regularly maintained in the center of it add a couple's places there was a place to sit down I went half way up those stairs and sat down and then I heard the homeless person that was underneath there because I've been aware that there have been people like camping right at the center of that thing anyway I should say that the concrete steps the 180 that was on 12th it looked like you were walking straight up from 12:00 and it was in line with 12th Avenue so it's the 12th Avenue steps there were some interesting houses that were about halfway up there at the bottom there's a cool little building with a garage and then a little hallway that led to a elevator real real weird and sketchy elevator and once again I'm talking about the 12th Street stairs just on the other side of the 405 about PSU basically leaves PSU proper because the back of the library the auditorium and then start climbing up this bridge over 405 you have this funky 50s built apartment complex maybe 40s and you want to just walk up that hill or if you could drive up there but there's no parking
So also on kind of almost on top of the bridge remember hearing about some people that had property there and they were still living there but the city didn't want anybody go back there and build it so they made their lives kind of miserable the families life miserable and then they said well they could stay there until they died and then the family generously going to donate property or that's what I kind of got the feeling of from my dad about his opinion on these things but that was on the other side of that West Hills tunnel so they also took down lots of Roads you used to be able to get on and off Sunset Highway they eliminated those roads probably because it was going to become just a freeway entrance from the Goose Hollow area just about where the MAX train goes into the tunnel that doesn't goes underneath the zoo fact if you want to go to the road that you used to be able to accessible from the parking lot also was eliminated but just the exit most likely because it was coming into a area that was now a one-way that's probably why they got rid of those Pizza property overlooking the west side of the can get up to where that house on something called Ford Road the entrance to that little neighborhood is right above I know above that neighborhood and now I'm talking about a different location entirely possibly that house would have been that they eliminated the roads on the other side of the Sunset Highway tunnel and it does go but now I'm talking about that development that's up above that area that is accessible from what it's called The Suicide Bridge now they put barricades on it so it can't be climbed over over the
I love that little trail that ends at Costco it continues on the other side of that little creek so where you were on it was on the south side of the creek from 160 something something to 137th that street the Costco goes by but you can go all the way a long list Trail then it meets up with the train tracks I think a derelict set of tracks although I think trains can get through there but they're just for the development area off of Airport Way which of course it goes basically ends before 122nd sort of in that development where when I was exploring this area a decade ago I had also discovered that there are Trails off of if you take the 205 from like Parkrose there is this Trail that you could also access from Cascade Station the max station off of Airport Way I don't mean Airport Way anyway if you head towards I guess it would be South of the airport yeah this is only accessible from really the 205 path although like I said you could also I think I walked on what was seemingly closed Road by the airport I think it used to assess
I remember the White Castle up in the West Hills my dad and I went up there a few times this one time they're remodeling it it was like 81 or something it was being remodeled like we said and I went around the back of it can I put my hand on a clay drain pipe which brought the whole thing down but I thought the tore it down it was about the time they were building the building that hangs off of the side of the Hill the castle is on very Solid Ground this sort of connects the two areas with the tall set upstairs on the West Hills I believe it's 12th Avenue just crosses over the 405 there's like a road that turns to the South and starts heading slightly up the hill so it kind of goes around there is a new development halfway up that hill that goes out of the way and is actually closed off access is only from above and when I went through that area I ended up at the area that's above the longest set of steps cuz it goes all the way down to almost duniway Park but that new development with the closed off Street went through to this development between that one there was a definite area that was hiking area but I could see it was taken out like that one was that you start the video out both sides I said Lids to this kind of circular building that's hanging off the edge of the thing but in a circular Arc very beautiful building this was also being built about the same time but they built it a whole lot better and that other one that was right next to the castle and that's because I started talking about some of the history and the road that kind of leads between the two of them I have to think that there must have been development on that street so when they took this down to put in the new development it was a narrow street but like I said this development is at the bottom of the road that turns into 12 so through that development and at the very top of it there was that road that connected it to that cool Roundhouse has the wooden stairs the 309 step had kind of interesting Landings it was being regularly maintained in the center of it add a couple's places there was a place to sit down I went half way up those stairs and sat down and then I heard the homeless person that was underneath there because I've been aware that there have been people like camping right at the center of that thing anyway I should say that the concrete steps the 180 that was on 12th it looked like you were walking straight up from 12:00 and it was in line with 12th Avenue so it's the 12th Avenue steps there were some interesting houses that were about halfway up there at the bottom there's a cool little building with a garage and then a little hallway that led to a elevator real real weird and sketchy elevator and once again I'm talking about the 12th Street stairs just on the other side of the 405 about PSU basically leaves PSU proper because the back of the library the auditorium and then start climbing up this bridge over 405 you have this funky 50s built apartment complex maybe 40s and you want to just walk up that hill or if you could drive up there but there's no parking
So also on kind of almost on top of the bridge remember hearing about some people that had property there and they were still living there but the city didn't want anybody go back there and build it so they made their lives kind of miserable the families life miserable and then they said well they could stay there until they died and then the family generously going to donate property or that's what I kind of got the feeling of from my dad about his opinion on these things but that was on the other side of that West Hills tunnel so they also took down lots of Roads you used to be able to get on and off Sunset Highway they eliminated those roads probably because it was going to become just a freeway entrance from the Goose Hollow area just about where the MAX train goes into the tunnel that doesn't goes underneath the zoo fact if you want to go to the road that you used to be able to accessible from the parking lot also was eliminated but just the exit most likely because it was coming into a area that was now a one-way that's probably why they got rid of those Pizza property overlooking the west side of the can get up to where that house on something called Ford Road the entrance to that little neighborhood is right above I know above that neighborhood and now I'm talking about a different location entirely possibly that house would have been that they eliminated the roads on the other side of the Sunset Highway tunnel and it does go but now I'm talking about that development that's up above that area that is accessible from what it's called The Suicide Bridge now they put barricades on it so it can't be climbed over over the
I love that little trail that ends at Costco it continues on the other side of that little creek so where you were on it was on the south side of the creek from 160 something something to 137th that street the Costco goes by but you can go all the way a long list Trail then it meets up with the train tracks I think a derelict set of tracks although I think trains can get through there but they're just for the development area off of Airport Way which of course it goes basically ends before 122nd sort of in that development where when I was exploring this area a decade ago I had also discovered that there are Trails off of if you take the 205 from like Parkrose there is this Trail that you could also access from Cascade Station the max station off of Airport Way I don't mean Airport Way anyway if you head towards I guess it would be South of the airport yeah this is only accessible from really the 205 path although like I said you could also I think I walked on what was seemingly closed Road by the airport I think it used to assess
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