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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2019
- #frequencyfriday #soundstage #imaging
What makes a speaker completely disappear? All audiophiles want to get the best out of their music playback systems and a huge part of that is soundstage!
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Great video Ron. I recently just purchased a pair of Martin Logan Motion 15i bookshelf speakers and I must say in my room they completely disappear. I'm so blown away by experiencing a AMT tweeter for the first time, I've been searching for this silky smooth butter sound for quite a while and Martin Logan has brought it to my attention.
Sometimes physics gives you the bird and sometimes it gives you a gift. Following your "place your speakers in the dark" advice, my Yamaha NS-6490s have disappeared. Well, not for my wife - she HATES the placement. So they may physically disappear. But, in the meantime, they've disappeared from an audiophile perspective. It has a lot to do with the room, I suspect.
Perhaps the key to speakers disappearing is having sound bounce off of rear +/- side walls as it does for live music played indoors. My mirage m3 bipoles (front and rear facing drivers in phase) disappear, you’ve experienced open baffles and I suspect you’ll find dipoles and omnis that do.
If a speaker fill the room physically , well it is not easy to say it disappears. I always wonder when I see (video) the IRS5 in PS Audio's music room how they can disappear. In all cases you have to close your eyes or dim the light - just want to say that the brain is better supported for that disappearing act when the speaker is small , light is dimmed or you close your eyes.
Another factor is the recording. With my Zu Soul Supremes with Zu Sub some recordings cause the speakers to disappear and other recordings make them almost painfully apparent.
Well said!
Fun episode man! I have liked the look of Gallo Acoustics speakers since the came out. Awesome aesthetic design. Have a Fantastic Frequency Friday!
To add to this, the Japanese Eclipse speakers vanish as do KEF LS50s. KEF have a great white paper on point source speakers. Removing first reflection points or bring speakers in close helps tremendously.
Bose 901s vanish too? They are kinda dipole/omnidirectional.
Never heard those speakers, not sure on those!
Very well put. I personally really like it when a speaker disappears. But many of these speakers often have compromises of their own compared to speakers that do not completely disappear. Very important to know what our priorities are when it comes to sound quality especially if we can't spend tens of thousands on a speaker. That is why I went with open baffle because an open large soundstage and imaging is top priority. And I still want powerful bass thrust without having to hear a box. My Dad's Magnepan 3.7i are wonderful but they are out of my price range and too big for my space. The 1.7i are great speakers but did not have the dynamic thrust I want for rock and orchestra. That is why I went with the Spatials as they were a good compromise. That is not to say Spatials are better than the 1.7i because the maggies have their advantages. The Spatials were just better for me and my current room. And I did not want to buy more powerful amplification.
I sat down last night for a listen....and boom! The speakers had completely vanished....Oh joy....then I realised they were stolen......
But it did the trick....😆
Pure awesomeness
I really wish that you would have provided a link to the speakers mentioned.
The prick who broke into my house made my speakers disappear...and my laptop...
That sucks!
Doesn’t LX521 or mini disappear it’s the most unique OB I have seen but not heard yet
actually the ones with with the wood grain inserts are grand wagoneers and they are awesome
Thats it! Grand Wagonee's! "Woodys," I think is what they called em? Thanks!
@@Newrecordday2013 yup some people called them woodys, now that I think about it, you must look cool driving one in hunter green, it kind of fits you
@@modelerrrrr You are a kind gentlemen! Thank you sir!
@@Newrecordday2013 thank you! but really! it would be very cool you know, even for a speaker review theme. You get in the truck, coffee on hand, windows open on your way to pick up some speakers for review, that would be a very nice teaser for speakers like klipsch lascala or forte or something special along those lines
Yup the smaller speakers are the better they dissapear. I have small monitors 5.5 inch woofers and they are doing great job!
Sometimes physics shows up and gives you the bird. I see a t-shirt here...
Maggies do this exceptionally well too!
They sure do!
Hey! This is an EASY question. WIVES! WIVES MAKE SPEAKERS DISAPPEAR from their living rooms. Especially BIG ONES!
" its not a life being wife" Lou reed Modern dance
Big wives?
@@howardskillington4445 lol! Big speakers, that is.
Dude, you need to hear some Spendor S100s or SP1/2es - wide baffles, no rounded edges, yet somehow they can completely disappear. What I've found makes speakers disappear are low-distortion drivers, well-damped cabinets with no significant resonances over 400Hz, and smart crossovers with proper phasing.
And just like that the speakers are gone! :D
I have Gallo CL-2 Classicos. The problem with that tweeter is bad vertical off axis dispersion.
Really? I haven’t measured these off axis, I’ll have to do that!
@@Newrecordday2013 I think Mr Gallo told me my speakers should be on 42" stands and angled down toward the listener. I have not tried this yet.
I have been wondering if Tekton Design's OB Sigma- hybrid open baffle, might do the same? Tekton seems to be thrilling everyone with their other offerings.
Does he still offer those open baffle speakers?
I guess my question is Gallo reference 3.5 or NX-otica ?
Forget the 3.5, I would say get the Otticas and a used pair of the 3.1s! Ha!
I thought this video would be about the technicalities behind speakers disappearing...
Do the Gallo reference disappear like the strada's?
Yup! Sure do!
@@Newrecordday2013 I appreciate it Ron :-) do you happen to have an opinion on the original Strada versus the Strada 2? I can get my hands on a pair of brand new original strata speakers for $1,200. Just not sure if it's worth the extra 800 for the newest version.
I dont but can tell you the differences are minimal. I think they changed he magnet structure on the drivers and have the built in grill which imo is a negative lol! I would say the originals would be just fine!
Can better amplification improve matters, or is it solely down to the speakers (and presumably the room too?)
Mrpostronia, no, amplification won't help them disappear in so much as if a pair of good speakers sound at best "polite", you'll notice it and better amplification will just make them sound better but not to disappear, room and speaker design will though - and as Ron says, the less wide the baffle helps here is being key, less front reflection from the baffle.
@@johnhpalmer6098 Yup, John is right about this. Ill say, good tube stuff can help with bringing a little more of that holographic magic but it surely wont make a speaker that CANT disappear, all the sudden vanish. Thanks John!
Mrpostronia, no, I don't think better amplification will necessarily help with the disappearing act, but rather, it WILL help with the speakers sound by providing what it needs to sound good, proper power, clean power and with enough headroom to handle the dynamics and percussion to give the speakers sparkle, punch or they'll sound polite, if you will. Discovered that with a very good pair of vintage ADS speakers last year. Initially hooked up to a BPC era Sherwood receiver. It had requisite power (60W/Ch, RMS) but they just didn't have the beans necessary to make them shine and they did sound polite, but even then, I discerned that they were very much a better speaker than the early 70's era Sansui kabuki speakers I had been using.
But room and speaker placement will make a big difference, however bear in mind, some of us have to compromise on that due to size/room layout and our gear and fight with furniture and door placement that is dictated by the room. Audio in and of itself is a series of compromises and much of it is out of our control, other than try to minimize issues where we can.
The Room makes a huge difference and depending on speaker positioning in that room, you can take a speaker that struggles with soundstage and make it better, no doubt about that! Will it completely disappear? Well, you saw the video and even though that guy is a camera hog, he sometimes knows what hes talking about! Thanks for watching man!
I had the Gallo Stratos once. I bought them SOLELY based on all the rave reviews they were getting. Big mistake! They are straight up audiophile speakers but they weren't for me.
Kevin, do you recall what you didnt like about them? If I was to guess, ill bet you felt they were thin sounding?
@@Newrecordday2013 YES!!! Forget lack of bass, I expected that, they didn't even have any moderate mid bass!
Awesome you rock, hopefully the Tekton Trolls calm down lol, oh and I own Tekton's, keep up the great work and have a great day and weekend thanks.
Which Tekton's do you have Dan?
@@Newrecordday2013 I have the Lores and Tekton sub 12 inch 300 W that comes with there mini lore theater pkg. I'm very happy with them. My son set them up for me I'm no expert on any of this just love listening to music. My son has the Pendragon theater package in his theater room and a mini lore set up in his living room.
@@dkbdkb57 Dude, thats rad! Seems to me the Lore's really put Tekton on the map and have a pretty devout following! Will be cool to get my ears on those at some point.
@@Newrecordday2013 Ya that's what I hear, would enjoy your thoughts on them. Look forward to keeping up with you on here in the future.
close your eyes and they disapear but seriously it's how good the recording is not the speaker
Eh... While you surely aren't wrong about the importance of the recording, saying the speaker has nothing to do with it is where id give some pushback. Thanks for the comment, appreciate it!
@@Newrecordday2013, all components in the "chain" are important to that good sound. Including the recording. Ain't the meaning of "high fidelity" , true to the original??
Remarkably close to zero content. Much time spent farting around with his cap, talking about Wagoneers, etc., with almost no information whatsoever. I'll never get that four minutes back.
Sorry you didn’t enjoy the video.
What makes a microphone disappear 😂😂😂
Lol! Is that you 😢 crying again?!?!
@technodad Now would be a good time to mention this... www.patreon.com/newrecordday
Would Magneplanars vanish maybe?
Yup, they surely can! Being dipole and having no box is what really helps those speakers sound transparent.
I still love you even though you yelled at me that one time.
Hahahaha!
Ok. I confess, I was talking out of my ass and had no real experience to draw from on the issue.
@@trekjudas Dude, I dont even remember what this is in reference to. But, its water under the bridge and I applaud you for this comment. Appreciate it!