Why Go Rotated Turbo & How Much Does It Cost? Subaru WRX / STI
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- čas přidán 30. 08. 2021
- Since Starting the rebuild on the 2005 Subaru WRX STI, I've had a handful of questions like:
Why Do you want a Rotated Turbo Set up?
Is It just for looks?
How Much Does It Cost?
What are the pros and cons?
Can an FA20 be Rotated?
So in this video let's knock em out!
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Not gonna lie I miss the Tanner Teaches Turbo Tech time. You do a really good job of explaining things. Thanks man!
Been running out of topics to touch on but I've got a couple ideas to turn into videos 🔥
The fundamental issues with stock location is turbo inlet size. Max air flow will be vacuum at turbo inlet vs atmosphere. That 2.4" inlet becomes a choke point no matter how big the impeller is. I plan to skip the stock location upgrade and go rotated.
This is a smart option 🔥
This video was freaking phenomenal exactly the amount of details that I needed to hear with actual referencing the parts locations can't say any more than this was a 10 out of 10 video
Eyyy glad it helped and appreciate the feedback! 😁🔥
Thanks for all the info, you have a great way of explaining things. Was also a nice surprise seeing you in Bader's video yesterday haha
Appreciate the support and that was actually my first time meeting him 🔥😅
So... first video of yours. Damn good man, holy shit is it refreshing to watch someone with great technical knowledge that can also speak in normal car talk. I have a 98RS with a EJ20K conversion (WRX heads, Coil on plug, 1050's, tgv deletes, rails, etc) running the stock VF34 that came with it. Was looking at going rotated eventually and you really helped clear up most of the questions that I had! +1 sub for me!
Appreciate the support Byron! And glad that it helped, sounds like you've got a fun build glong on. Been wanting to do an RS for years but prices went 📈📈📈
😁👍🏼, Thank you! I swear to god, you make relatable content, just when my buddy decided to go rotated on his 2012 STI you drop the killer content😂👏🏼 ! ....That has answered all the questions he thought of lol!
Appreciate you T!! Big time!!
Eyyyyy I got you my dude 🔥🙌
Definitely appreciate all the info, I blew throw out bearing in my ‘17 and I’ve decided to send it and upgrade to a STI trans and a stage 2/3 block and build it myself, keep up the 🔥🔥 bro
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Awesome video man. Super informative. I wished I had watched this video before I did the build on my STI. I appreciate you doing this video.
Anytime my friend and glad it helped 🔥😁
as others have said, this is VERY informational. great one to add to the library of your best of.
also the taxi seems like it's gonna sound sweeeeeet when it rips!
Hopefully she's chooching by the end of the week 🔥 last of the parts I need come Thursday 🙌
I stopped watching Subie vids since I finished my build a year ago (full send IAG900/ETS rotated). So cool to see Smeedia went rotated. The car has come a long way. Sick!
Rotated is the way 🔥 how's the car been? 🙏🙌
Thanks brotha! FA20 Wrx here, def didn't know people were doing rotated on them, thats pretty cool! Btw the intro song was a BANGER!
Eyyyyy 🔥🙌
you deserve more subs bro
Growing everyday 🔥❤
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Awesome video man, I have an 07 spec b I plan on building power on in the near future and I’m not gonna fool with any turbo or down pipe mods because I want to do this. This was perfect for detailing the correct direction to go. Thanks!
Eyyyy. Glad that the video helped and good plan if your going to go rotated 🔥
Nice get break down, now can't wait till you get to start working on fa20 in the future
Hopefully in the near future 🤞
The difference in intake diameter between the old turbo and that absolutely massive new snail is insane!
Muchhhhhh bigger 😈😈😈
Making me want a Subaru again. Excited to see how the new STI turns out but I'll definitely wait a year or two. Awesome video.
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Sad this didn't age well.
I’m about to go rotated in my Subaru this video helped a lot!!
Thanks for the great info. Going through a rotated setup right now as well LOL been hell over here trying to get parts on the east side
Hopefully you've got thrm all now or at least they're in route 🤞
Been watching your vids for a while now, just realized i wasn't and sub'd. Entertaining and informational for sure, i'm just jelly af of your nice stuff haha
Appreciate the support 🔥🙏 and definitely has taken some time and engine builds to aquire it all 😅🙏
You motivate me more every day to do a full build on my sti
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Yooo I see that M’s logo peeking out, pnw represent! Great vid and great build!
Eyyyy, thank you 🙏🔥
Amazing breakdown!
Thank you 🙌🙏
Beautifully put.
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Great info man, thanks!
Anytime 😁🔥 appreciate the support 😁
I've always been casually wondering, thank you!
Anytime and glad it helped 😁
Whew! just finished a 2 week binge watching all the old videos from start to now, you have made a monumental amount of progress in 2 or so years, awesome job man keep it up 👌🏻
(Side note I miss the turbo BRZ)
But I’m now inspired to build a turbo drifting BRZ
Thank you! The videos have definitely progressed 🔥😅
Low key also miss that car from time to time 😪
So maybe you answered this in another video. But for those of us interested in taking the rotated plunge and going hog wild on our set up, what becomes of the issues we would now face with waste gates dumping to atmosphere, tgv deletes and all sorts of other EPA infractions that tuners would be inclined to deny us a tuning session for. How do we now go through the tuning process post the "EPA crack down"? Side note, we love your videos out here Philly side of PA! Keep up the fantastic content buddy!
If you've got state inspections there's not much you can do, if not you might be able to find an under the table tuner? Unfortunately not really any work arounds 😭
Another great video. Always learn something from ya. Thanks again sti teacher lol
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Again, dope content. 💜💜💜
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1:48 I never knew you could exprience different emotions at a single time
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Great information. Awesome Chanel. 🤝
Thank you! 🙏🙏
You should put a camera in the engine bay looking at turbo during some hard pulls to see if that thing is stable or flexes.
Will do 🔥
Love the content and the results so far on your daily. When it comes to performance on your daily do you have any oem Subaru parts on?
I'd say there is a few OWM parts left 😅😅😅
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleive you can get your turbo (which ever model you have either factory or aftermarket) clocked to a useable position for a variety of uses. Also, I love how you're going balls to the wall in one aspect while I'm going balls to the wall while still attempting to look as factory as possible under the hood. We'll see what she does on dyno day. Shooting for 450whp
I can't help myself 😉 and yes. With most turbos you can clock them however you need to
Love this walk though, this ish looks so fine 🤌 its quickly going from Karma to Mona Lisa 💯
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Do you have like a full build sheet or video somewhere where we can see like what all you really have into this thing. I’d love to learn and I also just buy a 257 block so I’m looking for some assistance into parts decisions. Love the car man. Incredible work and videos.
I want to go rotated just cause I'm already running speed density and it would simplify the intake routing and make pulling the turbo so much easier. I hate the way the stock turbo inlet is routed.
Agreed and we'll worth it IMO
Idk why but when you mentioned josh bader and said “badder” it made me giggle 😂 keep making the good vids man!
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Love you man!
What up Ron 🙌🙌🙌
1:48 as often as you say yeet, this was a missed opportunity 😂. This is good info, you should do how much to build your own SB (unless i missed it lol). I need to do it go get any more power, but $5K is a lot for pre-built 😵.
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That one will be coming once the car is running 🔥😁
Thanks for the explanation.
Anytime 🙌😁
Aye I enjoy watching your videos and all the info that you give. A few days ago I got my WRX STI 2021 w just 6 miles on it, and i was wondering what are the first mods you recommend me to do it ? Cuz it's brand new and I don't want to blow the engine up!!!!
Wait at least 1K miles before mldding thE engine but start with an AOS 🔥😁 Congrats on the car 🔥😁
I had to clearnce my block to fit the gtx3076r even with the shim plate to raise it up. I been waiting to have time to finish my rotated..im building my own up pipe and v-band down..buy I love how the taxi came out. And haha air filter to keep crap out air coming into turbo. Got to keep that turbo from catching covid
Lmao I'm 💀🤣
You made a video for me, thanks!
I got you 🔥🔥🔥
Discussion topic? Explaining different sizes of turbos and how they’re measured? How much power certain ones will make with supporting mods? Why different manufactures name them differently? Your opinion on different brands?
I’m currently FBO on flex and plan on going ETS big turbo kit on my FA later on once I get a block/trans that can handle it. I’m just not sure which one I want to go for. My goal is 600+ HP. I know you’re running the 6062 in the Taxi, would you recommend maybe the 6266 or 6466? Dude also, thank you for your channel. Between you, bader and JR I don’t need a television subscription. Ha!
We've got you 🔥😉
And I can definitely make that happen. General rule of thumb for subarus is take 15% off of the HP rating of a turbo and that will roughly be what you'll make with it
Loving the content mate. Surprised that you didn’t touch on the best thing about a rotated turbo. The extra flow and efficiency of a rotated v band rear housing. Compared to the poorly designed/flowing Subaru rear housing. That comes on the fp and blouch’s . The gains you get in spool in the same size turbo and power/ torque they hold up top is night and day.
Very true! I also totally spaced on the restrictions of thr turbo inlet as well. Many benefits to going rotated 🔥
Bingo, that's the best point. Except I like keeping it stock locatio, since it has less bends on the dp. AMS manifold removes all restrictions of having a turbo inlet. No need to go rotated.
@@PolishAlexx so you’re saying to go to a 6062 with a 4” inlet and the 4” inlet fits under the AMS? there are no issues with “more bends” on a rotated downpipe. The more bends don’t become a restriction l, as shown by numerous 1000hp setups that are rotated.
@@lincolntighe5836 yes that's correct. Two hard bends so close to the turbine absolutely effects it and getting a well designed one is crucial. Look how WRC Impreza turbos are mounted in order to have no bend at all. Yes 4" inlets fit easily with AMS, I believe Bader built has one on their channel.
@@PolishAlexx doesn’t seem to restrict the 1000hp cars that rotate their turbo. Maybe you should tell ETS they’re making a restrictive downpipe and you know better 😂😂. If it was a real issue people wouldn’t do it. Especially the guys wanting big power and drag times. Have you ever heard a tuner or builder say, “geez this rotated downpipe is restricting this turbo” hahaha never.
My wife is not a grandma lol. The 2021 Ascent she got tho is pretty cool. And fun to drive for a family car. I still got my 19 sti and thinking of going rotated. You should make rotated kits for newer models!
We're looking into them, just need cars to make jigs off of 🙌
Damn that engine bay is BEAutiful! Its nice to see those who keep the bay clean..this set-up is so impressively done. Seein how many times he bust's that old turbo on the ground...hahaha
Lol thank you! Wanted to make sure everything was perfect and clean in there when I built it 🔥🙏
Big power conversion with a rotated turbo 🐌 is very cool 😎. And great power rewards depending on the turbo 🐌 size you spool. Lots of detail to consider though or one could end up looking the fool.
It requires at a minimum a medium to advanced level of skill. For you “Golden Spanner” Tanner you have both the unstoppable will and the required skill. 👍 You also have a great build partner in Fuse Fabrication that made this conversion possible and went above and beyond for you. Fabricating in your garage you owe that man a case of beer 🍺 or maybe two above and beyond what you are paying 💵 him too.
Good luck 🤞 with your joint venture on the conversion kit! You have a nice opportunity to both share with your following and to profit 💸. I respectfully suggest appeal will be enhanced if you create detailed installation instructions both video already done ✅ and PDF printable to go with it.
Lol I always read these as if I'm trying to rhyme them 🤣
@@Smeedia It’s what I do when commenting but I can and do talk normally too, honestly I am not bullsh*ting you! 🤣🤣
The calculations for speed density really aren’t very crazy: MAF (lb/min) = V•D
V = volume of air flow and D= air density
I actually just learned that yesterday that it's not as insane as I thought 😅
Rotated turbos also look amazing! I was recommended by my tuner to go rotated but since I already had every part upgraded for the stock location turbo I decided to go with the largest stock location turbo as possible so I went with a blouch dom 5 which I’ve been pretty happy with so far. I wouldn’t really want anything much bigger because it already doesn’t spool until about 4200 rpm and I’d like my sti to be good at tracks with turns.
How much power did the 5 make out of curiosity? 🔥
@@Smeedia he left you hanging XD
@@Hakiri27 😂😂😂😂😂
Kids are sleeping, dishwasher is on and time to Smeedia while relaxing!
Eyyyy 🔥❤
A must if you go bigger than a t3
Saw you with Baderbuilt in his last vid, both of you have helped me a lot with my build, ran my first 10sec 1/4 yesterday and you helped. It was on a backroad with a draggy lol but I trapped 131.5mph so it’s got a lot left!
2013 STI 3576r @36psi for anyone interested. With enough time/money and most of the time both, all roads lead to rotated.
Eyyyyyy sounds like a blast! That was actually my first time meeting him!
Great video as always. Very informative. Screw anyone that gives you a thumbs down. Lol
Always going to be some haters 🙏
Your videos make me miss my old 05 sti. Should have just kept it.
That's how I felt about my old 07, regret selling it all the time
Damn I cant wait to hear that thing, and see the 16 come home
Sameeeee, parts should be here Thursday for the 05 🤞
@@Smeedia sweeeeeet
It's funny when you threw the turbo on the ground, you couldn't stop looking at it when you were like what is that coming out of that turbo. Lol
It was oozing 😅😅😅
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@@Smeedia how's everything been going over there and how's the sti doing?
I really enjoy your video, I want your opinions about the subaru flexible tower strut bar which have a pillow ball joint in the middle? Do you think it work better then solid bar when it come to track driving?
Great for daily driving but any hard spirited driving or track use I'd get a solid bar
12:07 I have personally captured two live birds with my '05's hood scoop, the second being a blackbird that was pissed off and ready to rumble when I popped the hood.
I've caught a bat once but never a bird 😅
*Throws turbo and keeps talking
*pauses* "that...chipped the concrete"🤣🤣🤣🤣
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And that's when I subscribed LMAO.
selling stock parts in cali will cover the whole upgrade. stock parts are worth a lot more now that folks in cali have to go back to stock to pass smog every 2 years. i seen a factory used down pipe and cat going for 3k on ebay lol. hope it was a typo from the seller because that is nuts.
Man your making me want to go rotated and I’ve only just changed my turbo 🙈 485bhp on a stock location isn’t that bad though 👌🏻
Not bad at all 🔥🔥🔥
I'm liking the hoodie yo... 👌🏽
Eyyy. Thank you 🙌 will be in the next merch drop this Saturday 🔥🙌
Great video, thanks,, when you buy de ams intake?? Saludos de Chile!!!
Got ths AMS a few weeks ago 🙌
Waiting for that reaction video to the new WRX ✌️
Live stream tonight on it 🔥
Does it will be compatible with Garrett GTX3582R turbo? Btw great video! Cheers from Panama
Yes 😁
Not expensive at all, good work! Any 05-06 LGT/Spec.B fitments in the future?
Wagons yes, we're using Matt's as a jig for them. Sedans I'll have to look into a bit more 🔥
Hey quick question. Your rotated turbo kit, are you going to be selling that for a while? Have a GD sti same as yours and I want to replicate exactly what you’ve done, motor and all. Problem is I’m deploying in a couple weeks. So as you know being a vet. I’m bouta stack some cheese. Just wanna know how soon I’d need to buy this if it’s a limited thing. Thanks man!! Love and watch every video
Go get that chedda, we will have then for a hot while 🔥
It was good to see you in Josh Baders video oh yeahhhh. I. Going to miss subiefest this year, I gotta go to a wedding. Next time. It's Dyno time now. Stay safe.
Have fun at the wedding!
@@Smeedia Tgank you. You all have fun man.subies forever.
Hey Tanner , great video!!! Question , would you say that the stock location FB black fp turbo is the next best thing to a rotated set up (because that's what currently have on my 05 sti (513 to the wheels on E 85 @ 24 psi) did you liked that turbo? (I wasn't looking to build a street monster (yet)🙃
Yes I would, I lived my FP Black, I just wish that it fit a little better 😖
@@Smeedia you will forget the fo black very quickly. After you feel how the 60/62 comes on 4-500rpm earlier and holds power better up top.
Looking great man! Can't wait to see you give the car the beans!
Sameeeeee I just wanna give her the beans!!!
I wonder why folks don't rotate it the other direction. Where it uses the hood scoop for a cold air intake to the filter where the original intercooler was at (versus your hot air intake with the standard rotated setup). And the hot side boost pipe from the turbo goes where the original intake pipe to the turbo used to go under the intake. Is there not enough room behind the turbo then for an exhaust?
I've seen some people do it but not often, there is room, ETS turbo kit has the pipe route under the intake manifold. But you'll get shorter piping if you route it this way. Plethora of ways it can be done 🙏
You know, when they say the Chinese turdbo is hockable.. I'm not sure that's what they mean lol
Very nice educational video. Where were you when I was in shop class?
Lol makes for a great paper weight though 😅
Are you and Fuse still doing a rotated kit? I didn't see it on your site😦
I am new to the Subaru ecosystem and want to thank you for sharing your knowledge, pitfalls and success. I acquired a JDM Legacy with the EJ20H twin turbo and and now know to leave it the "F" alone and not modify it in any form.
They're very touchy engines but would be a fun set up to modify if you can get it all to work 🔥
Getting a new 2021, ik late in the year and could wait for the release of the new drop coming soon, but would love to beef the engine 😋
Eyyyy congrats on the 21!!!
You throwing that turbo made my heart cry 😢
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Congrats on that order for the BRZ dude, looking forward seeing whatcha do with it 🔥
Shit like this is why I like your channel so much. Awesome information, explained in a very understandable way. Great job Tanner!
Trying to get some more topic videos out, have a list of a couple to get made into videos 🔥🙌
crazy good video ! does this kit fit the 2015+ sti's ? what size is your ID up pipe ?
Not yet, thr up pipe will fit but we need to work the downpipe. And 2.5" ID 🙏
@@Smeedia thanks, can I just buy the up pipe then ?
We may make that an option 🤔
I put a turbo blanket and ceramic coated heat shield with gold foil tape.
All the heat protection!
Hey tanner, so I've been debating going rotated, but I have issues from stopping me from doing it. 1, I have a wrx with 93xxx miles, so I would have to build the block or buy a short block from iag. 2, will the 5 speed even be able to handle it? Going to start modding very soon
The 5 stock 5 speed won't. You can get some bladt plates for the trans which will help some.
Personally I would build a block
If your gonna do it. Then go for it and rotate it right off the bat then you could change turbos in 20 minutes or less and have different sizes and tunes for what your going for. I run a gt 3067 because I have a rally car. Don’t really need a giant turbo, 3400 rpm spool is pretty good.
When switching over to Speed Density, there's a couple different IAT sensors that are offered, what's the main difference between them so I can purchase the proper one. i.e, IAT Sensor compared to IAT + AEM 3.5 Bar?
Just brand, each one has a diffrent calibration so you'll need to know the sensor to calibrate it properly
Why go rotated. Because we forced him to? Because it's seggsee to look at? Because big turbo? Engine bay is beautiful and Karma is looking awesome. Can't wait to hear Karma run!
Sammmmmme Thursday the last of the parts come in 🔥
I know this might be a stupid question (and there is such a thing), can you rotate while using an upgraded top mount or do you have to be running a front mount?
Cheers in advance!
Yes you can 🙏🤝
Best part of the video was you repeatedly throwing that crusty turbo. Second best part was the discussion about the turbo sucking in a sparrow 😂
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Do you still sell the kits for the rotated setup?
To gain some better response of turbo and mid range power, what turbo do you suggest for stock position that does not give me space problems for my ej257?
FP Green 🔥
Twist mount for my fozzy ;) when i go built 😅😆
YESSSS 😈😈😈
great discussion. It hurts every time you yeet the turbo
That turbo had so much bearing material go through it, it's a bad apple 😅
Went to the link for the Up Pipe and it says Unavaliable link. Is the Up Pipe still something thats avaliable? T4 flanged E/wg?
Get the killer b oil filler lol let me know if it clears 😭. Love the car. And the info 🤙🤙🤙
Let you know if it clears what? 😭
@@Smeedia the ams manifold. Lol I wish you still had the one from your sti. I feel like it's gonna hit the runners
Ohhhhh 😅 if someone has one I'll kidnap it and test fit it for ya lol
Would it work if I run a spacer for my fp black Turbo so the bolts don’t warp?
Why do high powered subaru run a big diameter pipe from intercooler to TB in comparison to from turbo to intercooler.
Sometimes it's to match throttle body size. I know for me that was one of thr main reasons. I'm using a 3.5" TB on my EG and we have 3.5" intercooler piping on the cold side and 3" on thr hot side. It will also change velocity die to piping DIA change. But if you have a larger throttle body and use a reducer coupler your creating a bottle neck in the piping
Where do you sell your used parts cause I'm planning on going closed deck and want to sell my short block but I'm nervous and I also don't know how to figure out fair pricing.
Normally FB groups 🙏🙏🙏
@@Smeedia thank you
This i what I need, but in Melbourne, Australia... What is my solution ??
Any idea if your rotated kits will be back in production soon?
Once I have the 04 ati running I'll be tearing the hatch apart to make jigs for the parts 🫡
@@Smeedia hell yeah! 🔥🔥 will you be adding a pre-order option to the site soon? I’d be quick to put a deposit down 🫡
So if you were to do this all yourself at home and then time comes for a tune. What do you do ? Tow the car to the shop?
Normally get a base tune via email, upload it to the car then you can drive it to the dyno 🤙