Transport Canada vs. Buffalo Airways: Ice Pilots' Biggest Challenge
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- Joe receives a negative visit from Transport Canada when inspectors threaten to shut down the airline. Ray and the Electra crew fly to Sachs Harbour to pick up a unique load - the hides, wool, and meat of 250 musk oxen. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper visits Buffalo to admire its vintage planes. Mikey works out with fitness trainer Tara and sets his sights on competing in a 45km snowshoe marathon.
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Buffalo Airways is an airline based in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada. They mainly fly WWII-era piston powered propeller planes in minus 40 degrees and land on tiny strips of tarmac in the tundra.
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This is NOT Transport Canada, this is an individual at Transport Canada changing previously accepted procedures...it is essentially a form of entrapment and there is no choice but to have a major lawyer approach the Minister of Transport.
An Officer is representing the Agency with full knowledge of what he is doing. If he erred he should be Fired and a better trained officer replace him. Otherwise it might be a conspiracy against old aircraft that "they" think should be in museums.
@@connomara4171 I've had the same thing with the UK CAA, our new surveyors interpretation of the regulations, was totally different to their predecessor, and ours, however we still lost and had to do it the new surveyors way
Its just for tv
I couldn't agree more
Yup, I have dealt with similar government morons in the US government. You can show them the regulations and they just interpret it in any way they want.
I have my suspicions of Transport Canada pushing out old planes and small companies to make room for big conglomerates that might be possibly foreign operated and the inspectors from Transport Canada and others higher up get monetary incentives for doing that.
The re-runs of this show are never dull and boring.
That's what happens when one person has that much authority.
I'm with Joe on this one. Bureaucrats really are the lowest form of life.
Especially those Bureaucrats who’ve been in power for decades
I disagree, politicians are the lowest form of life. 💩
@@keithtanner2806 I think they are both fighting each other to be the lowest form of life. I must extend my apologies to the real lowest form of life, whatever that might be! Cheers from Texas!
@@keithtanner2806 Politicians are elected, so if they're lowlifes then blame those who voted for them. However, an appointed bureaucrat is just a power-hungry, pencil-necked weenie who thinks he/she has more power than the actually have. In any case, if a company's policy is being challenged, the bureaucrat should have to provide the documentation supporting his/her case. No documentation, no case. Fly Joe, fly!!!
Bureaucrats cannot make judgements. By definition, they follow written rules open to everyone, protecting people from surprises, IF they bother to know the rules.
That the higher eceholons of Transport Canada were prepared to even partialy annul the Inspectors decision leads me to belive that , later, behind closed doors, the question was asked 'How , this side of sanity could you have come up with that one?'
Hands down the worst aspect of being an aviation operator is dealing with some of the clowns that turn up to audit you.
It’s same in medical industry. Clowns that don’t care for patients. Telling me how to use my knowledge, training and experience. I am the one who gives good/bad news, hears their concerns and holds their hands when dying. I had a 10 minute time limit with each patient. Every night….went home and thought about what I missed?
I volunteered my license and left practice. Patients and I deserved better. Malpractice insurance was through the roof. I never had a charge or compliant against me. The entire system is rigged against you.
Drama, drama, drama. During my flying career I flew for a few sketchy operators and never experienced such drama but we didn't have TV producers and cameras around. Plenty of FAA inspectors though.
FAA Inspectors grow on trees and belong in toilets. For the most part, the operators operate legally and ethically. "Sketchy", while cause for concern and evaluation is not a crime, just generally a way to operate profitably around over-restrictive governance (aka Rule).
Ya gotta remember this is drama tv, no one would watch day to day operations
@@hobsonbeeman7529 I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the "Drama" is staged or played up for effect. I mean, it IS a TV-series.
So the Canadian FAA really thinks that pilots who have been flying every day in harsh arctic environments need more training, that has to be the epitome of a bureaucracy
Yes, Civil Aviation Authorities around the world always have people in power who don't have the ability to manage their own transport system... Good on you Mikey, Way to go. Excellent to watch another video of Buffalo Airways 👏🏼
I've heard stories about US carriers that kicked some of these overzealous FAA inspectors off the property and told the FAA not to ever send them back and banned them off the property. Anyway loved the flying ! I flew DC-6 and C-82 in Alaska. Those were the best days!
FAA is American, Canada has it's own Canada Transport.
Frozen anything happens as far south as Kapuskasing: frozen flats on tires; frozen / sticky fuel; frozen transmissions; frozen batteries. They don't need fridges in the winters - just hang the moose meat (or goose meat) out on the balcony.
Only EX-US airlines can throw an FAA inspector out, Mountain M. The moment the FAA inspector was told to leave the airline lost its operating license. Remember, most stories you hear are false.
@@IndependentBear well Boeing seems to have them well trained.
Keep the classics running and the supplies moving. Excellent that Joe has been doing this and well for so many years. Government needs to settle down and remember they work for us the people not the other way around.
Here in Australia, CASA is the regulator and as an operator, you have to make a choice. You do it their way of you are grounded. So there are specialist businesses who work with operators to make sure all the paperwork is perfect. They act as an interface with CASA for you on compliance issues. Their people are all ex CASA inspectors. Yes, it costs, but not as much as being grounded.
Sounds like Extortion. "Their people are all ex CASA inspectors." Jobs for the retired boys, with the help of current insiders.
Absolutely Correct - impartial 3rd party to keep "the regulated" in awareness of any changes that have been Legally made in "regulations" that have been Proposed AND POSTED for a " Legally Defined " time for Public Comment before taking effect.
Everything " in Public View. ( Nowadays this can be done with Monitoring of Changes being flagged by surveillance of Public Notices using Artificial Intelligence for the notification of "the regulated".
.... IF it isn't in The Public Record for Public Review it should not be considered, by anyone, to Exist in any Legally Enforceable Manner....
There unreasonable because your always taking shortcuts and shortcuts kill people
Well casa did shut down 767s on Ansett fleet month out from Sept 11 on same day of events of new York
If I'm not mistaken
That Transport Canada thing where pilots on a flight that aren't specifically set as a training flight doesn't count is mental.. Time in the air flying is time in the air flying... Best way to learn something is by doing right?
not true
This is NOT a transport, training, hours or type of training issue...this is a BUBBLETARD CHANGING previously accepted procedures issue...plain and simple
@@r.scottmacleod4564 no
Yes but they live in facist Canada where the people never revolted against tyranny so the queen still sits on their money.
Is this a new series or is it years old?? Thanks andy
I’m so sad I only have 1 more video left in this series. Then it’s official I will have finished CZcams I’m glad I went out with a great show I never heard of and now can’t stop watching. I was so sad to learn Arnie & the food mail lady died. RIP
This happens with every external audit in all the fields, every year you get a different clown with different interpretations of regulations. It is not limited to airlines.
And a bigger ego to feed
If the Regs are similar to the UK in their operation then an individual has no authority to interpret legislation. This can only be done by a Court or in rare specified instances a Minister of State.
You need to send the S.O.B the bill for the 5,000.00 dollars it cost for the fuel ! ! ! ! !
Sounded like 250K between all of them. The inspector should personally pick that up since it's his interpretation that is different than the other inspectors. IDK where they get off with this revenue vs non revenue stuff. Training is training. Would that mean all training is invalid since the instructor is being paid? If that's the case then the regulations would have to say that specifically. I hope he sues them over that and make them admit it's not necessary and the inspector was fired. Clearly he was on a witch hunt. To say his paperwork isn't ok? That's a witch hunt. They need to fire that inspector.
If it is a charter flight, the trip is ended once the plane is empty. The empty trip back is non-revenue. Charge the customer a "repositioning" fee to get the plane home vs billing them for aircrew and fuel costs on the way home.
Challenging the signature is payback for having the audacity to complain. Plain as the nose on my face.
Sounds like the easiest, but expensive way to conclude a task between private industry and government is by legal means when communications come to a halt. Same with filing for bankruptcy, taxes owed, or in a panic qualifying for Medicaid.
In the US all that would accomplish is making lawyers rich. I doubt given the current administration in Canada, that it’s any different there.
@@billmoran3812 When government is shutting your business down and cannot tell you where to look in the FAA Regulations, how to correct the problem, and keeps moving the goal post, legal action sometimes is the only way - unfortunately.
Is this a new series or is it years old?? Thanks andy
To say something is being done incorrectly, the inspector MUST show them the regulation where it states how it is to be done. Otherwise, they are in the wrong and have NO basis to back them up. 20 years in the Air Force taught me that. But then again, power hungry people can and DO wield their power over you...
Whoever was in charge of making that decision probably had interests in a competitor of Buffalo, thought they could force them into bankruptcy and acquire their operation and and equipment on the cheap.
@@richardrogers668 Yep,,,,, you just can't trust anyone working for government.
joe should have called the Prime minister's office, that inspector would have been fired
Joe should be PM
Government officials need re educating. They are there to help and assist companies not be at war with them. An empty plane returning from a delivery used as training makes sense.
Paperwork is the downside of any type of business that must by necessity be regulated. Doing the proper maintenance and training is a no-brainer. The flip side is that regulators can't verify that the training or maintenance is good, but only that the paperwork is. As long as everyone is held to the same standard no one has a competitive advantage, but it still sucks. Even if I had the discipline that you need to fill out the paperwork in some professions I wouldn't have a clue where I put it.
MSHA can be just as bad, we've had some good mine inspectors and a few that sucked. One of them pretty much told me that they're required to find at least a few infractions.
Glad to see Mikey working out. He already looks better! Love from Liz and Ginger (pic left) in Australia.
I love the young hipster song at the beginning. So friggin emotional.
People who engage with regulators without lawyers are unwise.
Trust me, they like to come down harder if you get lawyers involved. Your lawyer may be right and may win, but the bureaucrats will still insist on punishment.
The question that needs to be asked is, which one of Buffalo's competitors paid off that inspector to shut them down?
^^^^ There it is ^^^^^ there needs to be a corruption investigation into Transport Canada.
Another conspiracy SOB
The answer to that one, is which other operator stands to gain the most if Buffalo is shut down? The answer will be right there just not right in front of you!
There is simple SAYING - - --> "If you don't know what it is about, it is ALWAYS about MONEY".....
Time for a lawsuit against the inspector personally. Take them to court and hammer them with paper work until you break them...all the way to the Canadian Supreme Court. Despicable corrupt tyrant thugs 😡
Landing gear down at 270 knots? The film editor did a good job! 😉
Good point ... I don't even think the Space Shuttle Gear came down at 270 knots (without blowing off).
Ha ha ha!
Very good job fellows!! That's what happens when one person has that much authority.
The pilots can either fly or they cannot. Its that simple.
Don't always agree with Joe, but he's seen some things, so he knows a thing or two 😏.
Hang in there Buffalo! 👨🏽✈️
In New Zealand we have the CAA (civil aviation authority) but everyone dealing with them knows it stands for "conspiracy against aviation"
my step dad was a captain in a medellin, colombia airline called SAM flying this electra 4 propelled planes, i always wounder what ever happen to this planes and found them...lol
eff bureaucrats ......... give them a tiny bit of power and they can't handle it....... 5000$ for 1 hour of pointless rushed training ?
There is simple SAYING - - --> "If you don't know what it is about, it is ALWAYS about MONEY".....
If I would be JOE - I would rebrand (different legal name to run the business) and get away with this bureaucracy BS....
FAA says consistent fuel leaks are a sign of structural failure. Idk about these older planes though, seems somewhat normal.
SR-71 would never have been allowed to fly
But that wasn't a leek as such just an overflow doing it's job!
".... Takeoff from an airport, cycle until you're dizzy, then land in the same airport..."
sounds like a government thing to me
they make standard flying procedure look like life and death situations.
@@My_Fair_Lady ok
I’m am casually acquainted with a lady who lives in Hay River…which if you follow the news will know it’s practically been flattened in a flood. A few years ago the same thing happened to Ft. Simpson and buffalo where heavily involved in the relief efforts…as they will be for Hay River.
She said the McBryan family are well known and liked in the community and do a lot for the people. Even more they are the lifeline of many of the isolated towns up north towards the arctic circle. Without buffalo, they would struggle to survive without regular deliveries.
I’d say there’s a big difference between SOP in a modern aircraft and one that’s almost eighty years old…in arctic temperatures…and appalling conditions!! 🤦🏻♂️
Then there’s pilots like the late Arnie Schreder!! Even buffalo Joe himself. They’re the last of their breed.
That being said, given the lack of avgas at the secluded airports Buffalo have already started to modernise their fleet somewhat.
I’m an armchair pilot….2000 hours on ms flight sim x and MSFS. 😁 Spend most of my time oop north flying buffalos routes or in PNG doing missionary bush pilots.
Even with full weather and realism I admire what those guys do. 👍🏻
@@My_Fair_Lady ru a pilot?
@@My_Fair_Lady take some time think, you called him a non pilot moron… so maybe that’s why it matters
Buffalo Airways motto…..Safety First….unless it impacts profit or costs money
It didn't impact any safety. As they said it was accepted in the past 40 years. If the inspector can't point to a regulation that says so, he just made it up. When he went after Joe's license saying he disputed if it was really signed off or not, that's a witch hunt. No doubt about that. Clearly that inspector is way over the line and must be fired. It's not about safety. He wanted to ground them.
Listening to their comments, the "training" involves demonstrating proficiency in certain maneuvers. Routine trips did NOT include those maneuvers from what they said on camera. Ergo, invalid training; quityourbellyachin! A smart manager would have read the book and followed the rules.
This video illustrates why I have zero trust or faith in Governments. When you get a Government wennie, the same guy that sat in back of the classroom eating his boogers, having control over your life it never turns out well.
They may be looking for bribe money. Ive seen that happen in corporate situations. Joe didnt give in.
Joe getting a temper is already a known sight, but when Justin who's level-headed says there's something wrong, that does say a lot.
Jo,you must ask mafiya man in your town. He will sorted your problem which aviation inspector.
Scratch "non-revenue flight" and substitute with "training flight" for documentation. Everyone can go home now.
Yep, just ANOTHER prime example of bureaucratic B-S…from an Agency who wanted Joe & Co. to feel the pain…
those inspectors are criminal. People like that have no right to have any form of power.
Transport Canada just plain sucks to put it mildly !Power trippers !most of them .
Gosh I watch all the video's and Mikey! He is the best! So cool and full of humor, funny and so down to earth! Love you Mickey!👍👍👍
Way to go Joe! And kudos to Mikie.
If (and I do say if) we get the full story here, the CTA inspector is way out of line! I am used to deal with the FAA (American CTA) and I have never experienced something like this. Yes you shouldn't train your pilots on revenue passenger flights but here we are talking about cargo revenue flights. In America it is normally accepted that you do pilot training on maintenance, ferry and to a certain degree cargo flights. We have no rule (as far as I know) about the pilot training flight should originate and terminate in the same airport, so that might be a Canadian thing. Anyway the pilots received the required training so why should they train again? Is their training any better without boxes in the aircraft? Again if we get the complete story here, I am glad that I am not dealing with the CTA!
Surley training should be carried out with loaded aircraft? The handling is totaly diffrent unladen, and therefore of no releveance to the job being done.
Another uneducated ill-informed opinion.
My friend did 100%of his type rating in a simulator. The first time he ever set foot on a CRJ700 he was the copilot flying out of Denver with a full load of passengers. It was his initial operational training, so he did the takeoff too.
Is this a new series or is it years old?? Thanks andy
@@andybowyer3602 No I believe that it is from 2011 - 2012.
"Good Officer's Conduct" requires the Inspector to conduct himself without prejudgement nor malice. If the Inspector does this malfeasance in the name of and representing Transport Canada. Then Transport Canada is responsible and the inspector CAN & SHOULD be held to account as well as personally liable & responsible beyond the protections of the Canadian Government. This means anything & everything he owns or will ever own is at risk to be forfeit.
Your spot on except, when a Government Employee, agent, official and possibly even private contractors, are going about their duties and job assignments. Usually they have immunity from prosecution and/or civil law suits.
Exceptions would be war crimes committed by soldiers.
You would have to prove that an agent failed to have jurisdiction. Such as a restaurant inspector telling a mechanic what to do!
This is certainly made for dramatic effect. But there is an underlying truth, that the purpose of government is to provide income, pensions, and arbitrary power to government officials, while hurting citizens freedom, productivity, and economic well being. Government is esshoe.
"Consistent with prior research, this study also shows that workplace ostracism [94], workplace incivility [34], workplace harassment [53,58], and workplace bullying [43,44,46] reduce job productivity. Previous studies also indicated that a toxic workplace increased job burnout [24,95].Unfortunately, toxic workplaces exist in many organizations and are generally characterized by a culture of dysfunctional interpersonal dynamics despite of the awareness that human capital is the contributing factor for any organization’s sustainable growth and innovation. [...] Mostly, organizational or corporate culture is driven from the top-down approach, and if the leadership is not concerned about the toxic environment, it can be difficult to shift the culture." [Int J Environ Res Public Health. 2018 May; 15(5): 1035.] This video presents one, clearly biased side of the Transport Canada action. How can a toxic workplace not affect aviation safety?
Here in the US a few pictures of Benjamin Franklin will usually "fix" those kind of problems
The more i learn about Canada the less I want to visit. Transport Canada nerd sounds like he was waiting for a payoff.
We’re not all bad.
@@christinejenkins4698 I love the Canadian people customs is a pain in the ...., then i see this program. Government is stricter than East Germany was long ago. lol
The more I hear from you, the less I want you to feel welcome here.😆
@@swamprat69er lol, that took some thought for you didn't it?
@@jallenwatson8109 nope
"My fitness level isnt the best" ... proceeds to have a stroke after 10 pushup...
Dr. Green's Prescription: Stop doing that
Mike at 48 I had a stroke and wound up in a wheelchair 4yrs later my vision is still hali gone and can't drive. Still no walking or use my left hand.
Yes, Civil Aviation Authorities around the world always have people in power who don't have the ability to manage their own transport system... Good on you Mikey, Way to go. Excellent to watch another video of Buffalo Airways..
no way you can bring a law suite "causing safety issue by the authorities" and re-coupe lost fuel and $ and set in stone regulations and "no interpretation" by inspectors
Bc shouting at an official from Transcanada is a fabulous idea
The other thing to do is keep up the pressure on Transport Canada to promulgate specific regulations by oversight by the Canadian Parliament. Bring political pressure. The other thing is sue them to recover all cost of training flights. File charges against them for official misconduct with the RCMP and have them arrested when they show up. They want war so take the fight to them.
Keep flying guys....
Musk Ox stinks really bad must've sucked flying around with that stuff as cargo!
I'm sure the temps helped mitigate the smell; could you imagine doing the same further south in a much warmer climate?
I was thinking as I watched that, don't turn the cargo hold heaters on!
WONDER can you Link the episode where the DC3 passenger flight is shut down pls
I despise government intervention. So corrupt.
That's using your head. Lets have a free for all, I'm sure we won't have planes dropping from the sky. 🤣🤣
@@dalelc43 I said I despise government intervention, not government. I didn’t call for anarchy. I called for no government bureaucracy and red tape, as clearly depicted here. Please educate yourself on this topic some more. That’s using your head. Thanks.
Canadian government officials and regulators are some of the worst in the western world
Is this a new series or is it years old?? Thanks andy
@@andybowyer3602 it’s years old.
Can we more train crash episodes like south hall
I LOVE Joes fighting SPRITE .....~~~~~~ WHAT EVER TAKES JOB DONE.
Maybe, does Dewey Hicks work for transport Canada?
This sounds like a set up by one of the opposition airlines.
can you also make a video on klm and panam crash collision
Good on u Mikey
...and I thought I had troubles. whoa.
Best series ever
Agreed ... and I like Buffalo Joe's crusty nature. My 1st Flight Test Examiner (the infamous Larry Bartlett in El Paso, TX 1975) was reputed that way. Although I was concerned, he treated me fine and we got along well ... and of course, I passed, went and got fresh underwear, and have been flying ever since.
So, nothing to do with a high accident/incident rate?
Though posted to youtube in May of 2022, is this from the TV show of 8 to 10 years ago?
would be nicwe to see how old the episode is, when it was on first time
There is nothing more useless than a bureaucrat. Nothing.
I really enjoy your channel
I wish they would change Meters into miles per hour so we can understand what they are talking about?
Worked at small one horse fbo. Owner always on good terms with inspector but some times the official would get a little too close to stuff they shouldn't see. He would always have an "oh by the way" question asking for their expertise, knowing they wouldn't be able to answer right away. They would inevitably leave not wanting to look silly.
Great Reality T.V. right on Script
Wonder: **Makes 4K video only available for Canada and USA**
Me: Uses VPN and downloaded it HAHAHAHH
Wow Harper hasn’t been our PM in 7 yrs
Diese Piloten sind wahre Piloten, Meine Hochachtung !!!!!!!!!
How old is this video? Stephen Harper has not been Canadian Prime Minister since 2015.
hmmm...Harper hasn't been PM for a long time..how old is this video?
I read through the credits, and at the very very end it says in microscopic sized print; 2012. Nine, or ten years old.
Transport Canada reminds me of the dmv. The dmv came to do a yearly audit of my shop and looked at a piece of paperwork and said I was price gouging because I charged 25 bucks for a part that cost me 10 bucks. When you own a shop and you buy parts on the receipt from part stores it will say what I paid and what retail price is, I paid 10 bucks retail was 20 and I charged 25 so I said how can you tell me what to charge? Where is the law so I can make sure I am doing what the law says? He said it’s a gray area. So I said ok we’ll look at this receipt this part company has insane recommended retail prices I paid 37 bucks for brake pads and the retail on the receipt is 150 bucks so ur saying that would be fine with you? He didn’t say anything for a min and said it’s a gray area you can’t charge 150 for those brake pads. I said well you can’t have it both ways if ur telling me I have to not go over retail then because you don’t like the retail price from one part company how am I to know what is legal? I said if you gave me a write up or fine I would get my lawyer involved if you couldn’t show me a document with the law I’m breaking and if you can’t provide that every judge is going to throw this write up in the trash. I told him that every shop marks up their parts that’s how we cover warranty’s and make enough money to stay in business and the mark up percentages I use are the same that 99% of shops use It’s the same percentages that the company I pay for my point of sales system put in when I opened the shop so if you went to another shop they would be charging the same exact price for this part. Then I said when people get their cars repaired at a dealership even the dealership marks up the parts the customer could buy the part from the parts window at the dealership for less then the service department charges them when they install the part! Even places like Pepboys that have a part store and service department it’s the same thing they charge more then what the customer can walk up to the parts counter it’s not ripping a customer off we have to make money on the parts to stay in business it’s no different then any business they all make money on their products The dmv guy said I’m not writing you up I’m just telling you to be careful. All that meant is he knew I was right! People think auto repair shops make so much money but we just don’t it costs so much money it’s almost not even worth it. People think because I charge them 1,000 bucks to do work on their car that I put 1,000 in my pocket but in all reality I put $50 in my pocket after paying the bills.
Transport Canada where the guys who can’t fly or fix aircraft work
Those that can, do. Those that can't criticize.
I have had similar encounters with pencil-pushers from the Ministry of Labor- when I recited the existing legislation and asked the Inspector how he would propose to perform the work, he suddenly became mute.
What an embarrassment. This happened because one or two people wanted to justify their positions. What a complete clown show at TC.
There comes a time where some planes belong in the museum.
That Poor man having to go through that
Small minds love big power !
it sounds like transport canada is as bad as the NTSB in the USA
Inspectors in every industry always go after the low-hanging fruit, well by their own admission, Buffalo are that.
Regulator has a personal vendetta against Buffalo, and Jo. It is very clear. It’s personal.
We never see Esso fuel here in the USA anymore
Transport Canada is a flawed institution. I have been a commercial pilot for 42 years. Since CARS they are all about interdiction and shutting aviation down. The office environment is caustic and they have trouble keeping personnel, except the most incompetent.