Review: Hans Rosbaud's Astonishing Mahler
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Here are legendary recordings of Mahler's Symphonies Nos. 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and Das Lied von der Erde by the great Hans Rosbaud. Recordings have been remastered from the original German radio broadcast tapes, and lovingly presented by SWR Classic in an attractive 8-disc box. If you're a Mahler fan, you must own this.
- Hudba
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This really is the best channel on CZcams.
Several years ago I got to know a guy who worked in diplomacy and had received, as a gift, a CONTAINER with TONS of German radio 3-track tapes. He had to build a huge "overflow room" just to accommodate those tapes and all the "machinery" to play them. Plenty of Rosbaud, Konwitschny and all those guys. He treasured that collection very highly and was always ready to demonstrate how good sounding they were.
I would have never checked this set out without coming across this video.
You’re a good guy, David!
Excellent review, David. Thanks.
David, I have to thank you for opening my mind and my ears wider each time I watch your episodes. My favorite way to watch you is on my computer, with a window also open for wikipedia (so I can look up any names I do not know), and also running apple music in the background, so that I can quickly sample any new recording you present. I had never heard of Hans Rosbaud, before this video, but I've now marked several recordings (including this mahler set) for listening later. Thank you for all the work you put into this, as well as for your wonderful humor and humanity!
Thank you for watching and listening!
Found it on Qobuz and added it to my streaming collection. Can't wait to check this out!
Great Hans Rosbaud is my favourite conductor as well as Hermann Scherchen , they were both Mahler pioneer and they seemed to "fulfil" each other "Mahler gap" as Scherchen did in 2 3 8 10adagio at one side ; Rosbaud made for 4 dlvde
Can't wait to check these out once I work my way through a stack of other Mahler cycles and one-off recordings! Particularly looking forward to hearing Rosebaud's 7th, which has become my acid test for evaluating cycles and minicycles.
I bought this set on your recommendation, and I agree. Not only does he catch the authentic Mahler sound, but he avoids the little traps that everyone else falls into. He even has a good soprano in 4! The box is a feast for Mahler nuts (like me).
David, I just ordered my Rosebud symphony collection from Amazon! Hooray!! This guy does grab you by the scruff of the neck and shake the daylights out of you. Salivating its arrival. Thanks for the review.
Enjoy!
Rosbaud's 7th is the performance that finally made me pay attention to and like the work.
I've got a mammoth task of Rosbaud listening ahead... Just downloaded his SWR boxes of Mahler, Beethoven, Brahms, as well as some Wagner and Tchaikovsky... Thanks to you Dave for recommending his Mahler 5 in a different video, thoroughly enjoyable and looking forward to exploring his recordings further!
Enjoy!
Thank you for this exciting review! I love how in Rosbaud's Das Lied von der Erde the tenor songs are very lyrical, more than I usually hear in other recordings. Especially the first song where there is no shouting in the singing, just a pure lyrical and soft quality throughout. Rosbaud really brings out the darkness from the orchestra and the orchestral detail is so fine and expressive! Why don't other conductors bring out this darkness and let the lower parts of the orchestra be heard? It drives me crazy.
Hyperbole, hyperbole... right? That thought drifted through my mind when you promised that my hair would stand on end in the climax of 9/i ... and my god it did. goosebumps. TWICE
Thanks for this, Dave. I’d be curious for your take on the recent Beethoven box in this series. Those have become some of my favorites in the short time I’ve had with them. Incisive, with a fantastic ear for effective balances, tempi that are fairly mainstream but suit his approach to a T. There’s zero BS in Rosbaud’s Beethoven! Btw, those who might have the single ICA cd of Rosbaud’s Mahler 5th (the same as in this box) should hang on to it. The sound is much better on that one for some reason.
Thank you for this review. So the secret is out about Hans Rosbaud. I love his Bruckner and thanks to you I'm looking forward to exploring his Mahler. I wonder if you've ever come across Heinz Rogner - another unsung master of the same era who makes the BRSO of the day play their hearts out, has a real sense of the dramatic and seems to discover effects I haven't heard before. His Bruckner 8 is great.
Sure, I talked about his fine Mahler 3rd in that chat.
i am a great fan of Rosbaud for 30 years ,i have not read all comments but i must say in the pirate version of "Lied von der Erde" sings so often called:Helmut Melchert and with SWF Symphony and on SWR classic it comes Haefliger with RSO Köln.I now i was an "Neunmalkluger" but i found Melchert better!The Melchert Version was an VOX recording.
Just ordered it with his Brahms box. Don’t forget his Haydn and Bruckner.....
A Rosbaud Mahler box!? Is it my birthday!? I've made it through about half of these recordings so far. I found the version of the first to be good but not overwhelming. However, Symphonies 4, 5 and 6 were amazing! Still haven't made it to 7, 9 and Das Lied yet. Looking forward to it.
But the reason I write is because this video made me think of some special requests. David, you MUST be working on an Ideal Mahler Symphony Cycle video. Right? I'm already working on my list. Just stuck on Das Lied and the 6th. However, you know what else would be great? An Ideal BERNSTEIN Mahler Symphony Cycle. None of his cycles avoids weak links. I'm wondering if we mixed and matched and used singleton performances if we could get an ideal cycle. AND... since I'm dreaming here - how about an Ideal Bernstein Box with all his best recordings! ?And maybe an Ideal Ashkenazy Box!?
Just some things to think about, David. Love your videos.
Agreed - Rosbaud's Mahler is fantastic. Could we have a video review of his SWR Haydn box, please, Dave?🙂
Maybe, in some modern « reimagination » of Citizen Kane, the central character’s final dying word could relate to something else than a mere sleigh... 😉
I have his Bruckner 7 and it is really good. I can't help wondering what it took for orchestras in the BRD or in Austria (where arguably support of the Nazi regime was strongest) to get back to playing Mahler. Bruckner, unfortunately, was practically the twin tower along with Wagner, of the Third Reich musically.
This is my best recording of the year, so far.
Interesting that Pierre Boulez, in an interview I saw, credited Rosbaud with alerting him to Mahler’s music...,
Someone had to...
I've just noticed a big Haydn box by Rosbaud. Any comments about this? I've known his Das Lied von der Erde and his Bruckner 7 for a long time.
If you like Haydn, and you like Rosbaud, and you don't mind mid 50s mono sound that isn't too bad, get it! Interpretatively it stands with the other great Haydn sets (Jochum, Szell, Bernstein, etc.)
@@RabidCh Yes, it does. There are some ragged performances (some of the earlier ones) but Rosbaud is mostly great and the set it worth hearing.
Wonderful. as always, David. I can't seem to find your BEST Mahler box set cycle episode. Have you done that yet?
Not yet!
What about Rosbaud's recording of Schoenberg's Variations op. 31 on Wergo? Just askin'.
Go listen to it and you tell us.
Thanks for that! I looked for it and found the 7th with Munich is this the one in the box?
No.
Ugh! More essential Mahler...but that's a good thing. But I'm wondering, I have the 7th with Rosbaud on the Vox recording. Is this the same one?
I believe the 7th on Vox is with RSO Berlin, this 7th is with SWFSO, now commonly known as SWRSO.
As the producer of this set I checked, of course. The 7th on Vox (or on Urania oder Saga) is with Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra and was to my knowledge released in 1953. Rosbauds recording with SWFO Baden-Baden is from 1957 and much better. To make things clearer regarding the orchestras: The SWFO Baden-Baden later became SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden and Freiburg (monstrous name, no mercy here on the radio side) and is not identical with the Stuttgart Orchestra which also has SWR in the name. The Baden-Baden orchestra and the Stuttgart one merged in - i think it was 2015 - to become the SWR Symphonieorchester today.
Downloading the Beethoven, the Haydn, and the Bruckner collections too - any comment, Mr. Hurwitz?
Yes, enjoy them! There are some fantastic performances in there.
I don't think "guys" is necessarily a reference to males only; I've heard it used on all sorts of crowds.
Dave, you may or may not know that Rosbaud's second of the two appearances he made with the Chicago Symphony (I think that was in '61 or '62), he conducted the Mahler 9th with the orchestra. I've read in a few places where CSO players who were involved with that concert said that they played their hearts out for him. And Reiner was present for that concert, who said afterward that it was Rosbaud he wanted to succeed him as CSO music director (Reiner's health wasn't the greatest at that time, as you probably know). But that was never to be, because Rosbaud's health likewise wasn't very good at that time. Rosbaud died a year or less later after that concert. Then after Rosbaud passed on, Reiner said that he wanted Karl Böhm to succeed him as CSO music director. I don't know if Böhm was later approached by the CSO Board after Reiner left, but I doubt it.
Good for you Dave, how people can be so petty😒
Jeez David, you sound a lot like my old Chicago friend, Fred Beckman. He saw that legendary set of performances that Rosbaud did with the Chicago Symphony, which, of course, didn't get recorded! Fred was the first person to bring Wuhan tam-tams into the U.S. after Nixon's thaw with red China. The Wuhan tam-tam that Gordon Peters used on Solti's "Das Lied von der Erde was Fred's dining room gong. He and Gordon Peters were close friends. The 50" Wuhan that Pittsburgh has, was one of Fred's gongs. Anyway, I'll check out this Rosbaud box. I always liked his DG recording of Sibelius works.
I love Rosbauds Haydn! He made so much good stuff!
There’s a word in English that applies to everyone. That word is “everyone
don't know when the word 'guys' started becoming an umbrella term for guys and gals, but as a gal I honestly can't stand it - imagine if it went the other way and everyone said "Hi Gals !" - i think the men would put a stop to it pretty quick
No, I couldn't care less. I get the intention and that is what matters.
Not sure how gender politics relates particularly to Rosbaud's Mahler...