The Cleveland lived on in Australia until 1982. It was an option for the Falcon and Fairlane. . There were 2 capacities 302 and 351 and 2 different head designs. Ford Australia had the castings for the block and it ceased production with the last V8 produced in 1982. The V8 wouldn’t return until1992 as the Windsor 5.0HO and ended in 2002. Then we took the US modular V8 and turned it into the Boss 260 5.4L it’s run ended in 2011 , replaced with the Miami V8 a supercharged version of the coyote. This would end in 2015 . Without the Falcon the only V8 in Australian would be the mustang V8. We also received the modular 4.6 in the mustang and presently the 5.0 coyote. The Cleveland had a cult following in Australia and still to this day the 351 Cleveland has its place in motoring history here. Long live the V8.
The Chevy OHV straight 6 usually had more HP than same year Ford flathead V8... Chevy and Cadillac had V8s before Ford... Ford flathead V8 actually put into Ford trucks in Europe until mid 1970s or '80's...
Thank you for great recap In Australia the 351 Cleveland is a legend engine, used in the 1971 Falcon GTHO Phase III, to win the Bathurst 500 in the same year, an original Phase III is the most collectable car ever manufactured in Australia $M+ One thing I think I read somewhere, is that, Ford NASCAR teams in the 70's liked to use what they referred to as the Cleveland OZ block based on the Phase III Australian block, Thanks again for your great shows Cheers Pete
Thank you for the refresher course. I'm a hard-core Ford guy, and my knowledge is getting rusty from being out of the game for several years, and I have enjoyed your videos over the years and always look forward to new videos you put out. Thank You
I personally loved it!! Covered many of the bases and touched on some others. Fairly comprehensive in my thinking!! Thank you!! I'm a Ford guy and loved it!!
I never knew that Ford actually had their own mining operations to make their own steel. Thanks for sharing that, much appreciated. This is most likely the reason why Ford was always known to have the strongest axles & rear ends.
Many 427's were put into Chris Craft twin drive large boats and also sold all over south Louisiana for irrigation pumps in the sugarcane fields , I worked on many of them . They could hold high RPM's all day without issues and only wear out the water pumps and rear seals . Dad had a 400 in a 76 Mercury Marquis and for such a heavy car it would get up and go , I guess that motor had more torque than HP . Great video !!!! I forgot the big trucks had the FE 370 !!!
I absolutely love these videos! I am a Ford guy through and through but I also watch your chevy videos. I find you content very informative and thought provoking and I feel we need more of this on youtube. Thank you for taking the time to go into the details of these topics!
Good presentation! Two engine families were, understandably, overlooked. The "Lincoln" Y-Block that was used from 52 - 58, and the "MEL" 383, 410, 430, 462 used in Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln from 58 - 67. Certainly not most popular.
Thanks for the presentation. It helped me understand the differences in the different Ford engine lines and cleared up some confusion I have had. Thanks, again.
Here goes the condensed 3,000 word comment. You nutshell nailed it good my friend and good to see you back at it. My personal favorite from FoMoCo is actually the 430 MEL (Marauders) but that's not actually Ford. Again, good stuff and supper glad to see you back man.
As a lifelong Ford owner and supporter, I thank you for this. Gasoline fueled Ford V-8 Engines throughout the years were many, varied and at times even redundant and confusing. However, the vast majority were competent, reliable and had long production runs. A few not so much. Performance Ford V-8's were able to meet or exceed the off-road successes of the competition. Many of Ford's V-8's have become legendary, live on and are popular to this to this day. But infamous. I beg to differ. Also, a cult member I am not.😉
Awesome video! Very informative and entertaining. I've had several of these engines in different cars/trucks in the past and even today. Still running a Windsor 302 roller from 1995 in my F150. Thanks for your videos.
I do like the FE engine family, especially the 427. I was waiting for you to mention some of the special and unique aspects of the 427. Like "cross bolt mains" on #2, #3, #4. Some had bumper pistons. Also, the nickel content increased for racing endurance. As a side point many of these engines were in Boats. I actually retrieved two 427 motors from a twin-engine Cris Craft (they had left and right turning 427's)
I think it was a great little run down. You set yourself up for folks wanting gm and mopar for sure! I’m a lot less knowledgeable on them and the timelines. We appreciate everything you do!
Great job explaining the Ford Family! I'm really a Chevy guy but my grandson loved the video. Since he owns a 1966 Ford Mustang with a 410 stroker I build him. My granddaughter as well owns a 1966 Mustang with a kick ass 302! 👍💕
The FE intake was half of the head, so changing to the aluminum and port them, they are amazing. The intake was 75 lbs and the aluminum was 25. An aluminum water pump really helped too.
The 429-460 is a very heavy engine. With full assembly you will want to brace the engine stand. There is a myth that the FE is heavier and that is not true. The FE is close to 100 lbs lighter. If the intake manifold is swapped on each tire FE is close to the SBC in weight. The 385 series is comparable to the BBC.
@@davidwier2862 I can’t imagine how I replaced so many. Ford even sold a Medium-Riser intake and cam and lifter kit out of the catalog that had a 715 Holley that was guaranteed to add 75 hp and 100 hp with the Stock kit headers and 150 with the SS headers that crossed two pieces from one side to the other. Right out of the catalog. It was too bad that they didn’t build them that way. A 330 hp to 460 hp with a kit that knocks off 75-100 lbs off the nose. It was a shop in Detroit. I swapped out a few for people and they were able to play with the big boys. A 428 CJ with this kit in a Torino or Mustang was ready to go racing. When Edelbrock tried to redesign the heads and intake. And the RPM cam kit, they discovered that Ford had a covered and they just copied the CJ all in aluminum and had the 410 hp cam as a hydraulic. They could not improve the castings but to make them lighter. The aluminum water pump helped too. They were pretty close to a 350 Chevy with the Edelbrock kit.
Great Ford content as usual. I've got the 400 335 series in my 77 f 150 4x4. And with Cleveland heads, stock pistons, 268 comp Cams bump stick,Scorpion roller rockers, dual plain aluminum intake, and a smallish 600 vacuum secondary Holley carb, it makes respectable power for my heavy truck. Yes this engine family gets a bad rap because of its history of being a smog engine. But I believe if we could try to put some of that in the past and treat this engine the same as some of the more popular one's the aftermarket support may increase as people realize just how strong they can be with the right parts in them. Just like any other V8. I do know the price of the parts will surely stay higher than most engines tho. Keep up the great work. 👍
I agree to a point the issue is the 335 series blocks are thin wall cast so to bore them more than 30 over is taking a chance unless they are sonic tested. The most I’ve heard is 40 over and that was max. Also the rods are weak and the cost of a decent piston that brings them up close to zero deck are expensive. They make good power if you replace the rods and buy the expensive pistons and throw in Cleveland heads but by the time you spend all the money to do that you could have built a Windsor or FE or 429/460.
Lol! I'm a FE nut & I there was a few points that I felt alil triggered to hurry up & correct you! But even though i have been that guy, I am aware of my weaknesses in life & I dont want to be that guy. I may never be 100% cured of my weaknesses but with time & age I can be better than I was. U got it all close enuf man. Lol! Good job! It's good enuf for me brother.
thanks, I could have spent a few hours doing research instead of just my memory, but I just figured what the heck i'll just wing it that's why I added what I said at the end because I know my memory is not what it used to be and I was more than likely off on some facts
You did a great job telling about the ford engine's I had 2 57 ford's with 312s and they would run great I'm a fun of the 351m & 400s and the 429/460s also thanks for sharing this thumbs up
Great video! I have a 351M/400 in a 1974 F-100. It came with the truck when I bought it but was definitely not original. Have no idea what I want to do with it but this video was an awesome overview of all the Ford V8s and where this motor fits in! Thanks for putting out great content!
I love the 390 , nice engine in stock form , a little work and money , they can haul ass , if it’s what you want , i was and still happy with a stock 390 ❤
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I think you did a fine job in reporting most everything. I understand not going to far with the Flathead V-8. I have been a Flathead guy since I was 14 years old. And know that the Flathead is a video all it's own. Maybe some day you can do that.....Thanks so much for doing a great job.
Liking the new format of your videos, very impressive! I always refer to your videos cause im always learning something new from you. Im building a 408 LS at 11 or so compression that'll go into my 71 olds cutlass. Anyway that i can get a cam recommendation that'll pull like crazy till around 6500 or so. I love hp but id rather have neck snapping torque! I value your opinion. Thanks chief be blessed 👍
Y Block ran from 54-62 in cars but 54-64 in trucks. The Lincoln Y Block has very few parts that interchange with the Ford. The Ford Y was quite durable and found a home in Ford’s line in South America up through the 1980’s. Ford did a phase 2 version with a head/camshaft/firing order design like the Windsor family. Appreciate the video!
You are right about the Lincoln y block it was a totally different engine than the Ford y block. The Ford y block was built on the 4.38 bore center like the ford Small block. The Lincoln Y was built on the 4.63 bore center like the FE engine intake ports were not stacked. ports were not stacked. The Lincoln engine was Ford's First over head valve. it was used in heavy trucks until 1962. There was also a MEL engine 430 CI that was used in the Thunder bird in 1968 and 59. This engine saw known as the Marauder engine and was the first production engine to have more than 400 HP.
Thanks for your great informative videos! Nice job. Around 1982 I had a '65 Mustang retrofitted with a 351 Cleveland hopped up, 4-sp B&M (quick shift?)...torquey and fast. Ladder bars too lol. Then more recently a couple Fox Mustangs (88 GT 5-sp. & 91 LX CONV auto. Both 5.0L). The LX wasn't very fast esp. here in Denver. Then finally a real ratty 1974 F-100 pickup (strictly workhorse for transporting the dirt bike to the track lol) with that FE 390 motor you were mentioning. Torque city!
Good job on the video!! You left out the Mercury 410 from ‘66-‘67. And the 360 used in the trucks in the early 70’s. 272 is a Y block too. Thank you for taking the time to make this video
Perfect timing. My brother has a 1986 F150 with a 351w that just developed a knock. Trying to figure out how Ford stuff all works so I can help him. I'm a Chevy guy. Thank you and nice video!!
Loved it, I think you missed the MEL which had a big 462 cubic incher that went into the Lincoln’s. You also missed the Lincoln Y block, but that could have been developed by Lincoln when it wasn’t under the Ford umbrella. Also you missed Super Duty series that was in big trucks that had a 534 cubic incher and then you missed the best one of all and it was all due to WWII. The Ford GAA which was an all aluminum, 32 valve 60 degree V8. The narrow angle was because Ford wanted into the airplane engine business and he developed an all aluminum 48 valve V12 and the 60 degree V is necessary in the 12 cylinder to keep it even firing. Great video, use those examples for the next video please sir.
to be honest I don't really have much if any experience with those engines I've done a few 4.6/5.4 engines. but that was 20+ years ago. All the engines I spoke of I have built and worked with over the years the flat head is kind of an exception I did one ford v8 flat head many years ago I have done a ton of Plymouth and Chrysler industrial flat heads
Around 200K the 6.8 V10 likes to warp and crack exhaust manifolds. As well as breaking the studs in the cylinder heads. Also around that mileage the valve springs break and the lifter followers spit their needle bearings. If you hear ANY engine noise out of a 6.8, you had better fix it asap. Or else you'll be slinging in a replacement.
I always like engine history especially which engines were the best and which ones can be built up. I am not a major purist to anything. I do own a 1964 Ford F250 with a 292 Y block and a 1975 Ford Gran Torino with a 351W. I am more of a Dodge guy but like all American major 3 car maker, cars and even some AMC cars. I would like to see the engine history of Dodge and GM. Tackle AMC as well,maybe. But I like the idea as well to go deeper into any engine. I have heard the 429/460 had the same stroker ability as the FE engines. I heard the 429/460 put the camshaft up so high in the block that very little clearancing needed to be done compared to the Mopar 440 or GM 454. That is what I heard but a good point to make or clear up if you revisit those engines.
I’m definitely not going to criticize or make any corrections, great information and spot on, but you did overlook one version, the MEL series, Mercury, Edsel,Lincoln, very rare and hard to find dinosaur, thank you !
Would love to see more detailed summaries of the separate Ford V8 families like you did for the GM division specific engines. When you consider for overseas use, a lot of history to cover.
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Like most people I am super familiar with the Windsor family of engines along with the Cleveland. One of them was always in a Mustang or Cougar that I drove in the late 80’s thru late 90’s. All were good reliable power plants. At the present day I’m still driving a Windsor small block which is in my 91 Fox Mustang, the OG 5 oh 😊
1964 we had moved from Tulsa to Calgary. 1960 Ford 2 door base 292 2bbl, 3 on tree. It started every mornijg except the mornings it was -40F. It did not have a block heat until 1965. The old cheap stripper ford 2 dr sedan just started and ran no carpet but a rubber matcovering.
Tim Meyer might disagree with the 351M take here. I have one in my F350, and I just this week bought another for a spare-as things go, they are cheaper to acquire than the C version, but they can be modified for peak performance. In Australia, the 351M was made ALL through the 80s and into the 90s I think.
Like I mentioned they can be made to run pretty good, but the lack of performance internals from the aftermarket makes them challenging and expensive, the cylinder heads are also very poor performers you need Clevland heads that are very hard to find any more or an aftermarket head those equal big $$$$ the W engine is much more bang for the buck mainly because there are so many more of them around along with the fact that there is a huge aftermarket support for the Windsor engines and the later 351W can be found with factory roller camshafts this is a huge + now days with all of the poor quality flat tappets being produced , can the M engines make decant power? Yes they can, but to get the same output as a W base engine you're going to spend double the money for most people choosing a project engine the M engine just does not make sense
@@Myvintageiron7512 I do not disagree generally, but as George Reid noted "These engines didn’t live long enough in production nor did they realize their great potential as factory high-performance engines due mostly to the unfortunate timing of tougher federal emission standards and higher auto insurance rates. It arrived during a period of changing attitudes about high- performance automobiles.” In other words, the potential was always there, and the engine was built by people in the C1/c2 plants with the understanding they were building a muscle engine.
Model X (1926-1927) The Model X is a sportier version of the Model A with a heavier and longer (136 in (3,500 mm) wheelbase) chassis and 100 hp (75 kW) engine that enabled it to reach 100 mph (161 km/h).[19] The most notable differences between the A and the X were that the latter had hypoid differentials and all its valves were on one side.[8] The Duesenberg Model X chassis is an upgrade over the Model A chassis, offering a reworked 260 cu. in. straight-8 engine, an overhead cam, with a new crankshaft, revised valve train, improved pistons and superior intake manifold. Power is 100 hp, which made driving at 100 mph possible. The chassis length increased to 136 inches, with additional reinforcements. Improved leaf springs are mounted above the frame rails, thus, lowering the center of gravity. The Duesenberg Model X chassis is the rarest Duesenberg street production chassis ever made, with only thirteen ever manufactured. Only five of the Duesenberg Model Xs manufactured are known to have survived
I hear this all the time about the FE the 360 390 was light truck passenger vehicle, the 361-391 medium duty truck engines heavy crankshaft large snout very heavy slow revving torque engines. I'm a fan of the FE engines they were terrible on fuel they were somewhat inefficient but you could make torque more substantially than horsepower. Great engines sound awesome.when built up.
Every time i see a US video they neglect to state the 351 Cleveland and the 302 Cleveland ( yes i said 302 c ) were produced in Australia from 1974 untill 1984/5 and was the most common Ford V8 in Australia they were in everything from up market Taxis to F150 trucks, Buses , they were cast and assembled in Geelong Australia.
yeah I have known about the Australian 302 Cleveland for decades now, but it really has no place in American muscle car history, I need to correct you when you state it was not mentioned, I actually did mention it in this video you probably need to watch closer in America it was known as the Boss 302
@@Myvintageiron7512 sorry my friend the 302 Cleveland was nothing to do with a Boss 302 , the Boss 302 uses a Windsor style bottom end and Cleveland style heads ( although the there was no Cleveland when the Boss was designed ) the Aussie 302 Cleveland was a 351 Cleveland block were Ford Australia installed a 3 inch stroke crank , 6 inch rods retaining the 4 inch bore , it came with ( very sort after even today) 2 V style Closed Chamber heads unique to the 302c even though it was a four barrel engine ( Carter Thermoquad carbies just like the Aussie 351 C ) this is a true 302 Cleveland , a very popular conversion was a set of 2V 302c heads with 4V US 351c valves on a 351 W block with a 400 (335 series) crank in the 351w block as they share the same Journal diameter ( drops straight in , as Ford did the opposite by dropping a 351W crank in the 400 block making a 351M it's M because it was a modified 400 but I've heard Michagan Casting Centre or even Midland as in mid way between Big and Small Block ) either way a Boss 408 comes out of the 302c heads , 351w block + 0.30, 400 crank , and Aussie Clevor alloy intake manifold that links the W block to C heads. All Ford bar the intake. If you want to see an odd ball 351 Ford Australia was looking around in 1974 for a new V8 to produce in Australia they thought the Cleveland was a bit over the top for Taxis, family cars , ect so they built a 351 Cleveland bottom end and used 351 W heads in effect making a reverse Boss to tone down the normal Cleveland, they were installed in family cars , about 40 prototypes were made I saw a complete one in a 1973 ford falcon , a very rare and special Windsor heads on Cleveland block manifold was cast in iron ( of course) by Ford Australia. But they ended up creating the 302c with its unique heads and out 351c with its own 2v style heads with 4 barrel intakes matching 2v port profiles. Ford Australia did crazy things , they took the 200ci and 250 ci Ford Sixes and put Cleveland style Canted Valve heads on them first in iron then in mid 1980s alloy , they got Honda to design the ports and combustion chambers. One last thing , to say the 351 Clevelands and Windsors share only displacement is a bit off , they share some very important things like bore spaceing , head bolt locations, bell housings , engine mount locations, this makes a bit of mix and matching possible, as in the above Boss 408 , I think it's a bit strange Ford chose to build 4 engines with the same bore and stroke that were different families , sort of in 1973 the 351 C, 351 W, 351 M and 352 FE all the same size ! Thanks for your time.
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 yes we did things differently down here , outside the US we are the only other country to really embrace the V8 , I sort of miss Holden , they made the best affordable V8 cars, Ford too but GM Holden was probably the first V8 most people worked on.
Excellent analysis! My Dad had a 58 Mercury Monterrey with a 383 MEL engine family. I believe that this was also FE based, but it had a Herron type cylinder head which made it a wedge combustion chamber. I wasn't quite old enough to know more than looking out over the padded dash and it having a push button transmission. We junked the car in the 1980s and really wish we hadn't. Again, great analysis and very much appreciated. I would also like to add my 2 cents for a similar style video on the various GM engines and Chrysler too!
Actually the 383,410,430 and 462 are MEL engines. MEL stood for Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln. These are different than the FE engines with FE standing for Ford Edsel. Note that the MEL 410 is a Edsel engine here and were only found in Edsel cars. in the mid 60's there was also a 410 engine and these were in Mercury cars and these engines were FE based, basically a 390 with a 428 crankshaft.
1915 Cadillac introduced a mass produce v8,chevy also had a v8 in those days. Ford over produced their v8 and made it affordable for everyone. Love your videos great info and advice.just check history.👍
yes caddy had one along with a few others but they were definitely not mass produced, the production was limited those v8's were cast in several sections and bolted together they were heavy and very expensive to make each one was Custome built by hand, not assembly line built IE mass produced, in fact when the ford flat head came out Henry Ford had already been producing V8's in his Lincon's for over a decade but again heavy underpowered and expensive the flat head was a 1 piece casting mass produced on an assembly line it was the first v8 built this way
Loved your video! My first veheicle was a '48 F100 with a '49 Merc flat head 62 years ago. I still drive Ford pickups. However I'm wondering are you going to do a vid on Ford 6 bangers?
I enjoyed it. For big power in Oz Clevland's are the go because we made them for ten years. FE's and 385 are unobtainium here, so it's Clevland baby! The lack of 4 barrel heads when i was young in the mid 80's , was disappointing. They were around but racers horded them it seemed. These days many great after market heads are available. Please look into them maybe?
thanks , my first car in 1973 was a 1965 tbird with the 390, do you know why it had an overflow radiator tank that was different than any other ford that i saw. I see 390 hotrod cars today that do not have this extra tank.any thoughts on that.
A few things to note: The flathead ran hot because the exhaust had to flow out between the cylinders. This held the heat inside the engine longer. Other manufactures of flathead V-8's ran the exhaust out the top. As long as they were careful not to vapor lock the fuel line this was not a problem. Ford eventually installed two water pumps to cool the engine better. FE stands for Ford Edsel. Y blocks often suffered from clogged oil passages to the valve train because the non-detergent oil in those days could not keep the passages clean. Many people ran small lines from the external oil pump to holes drilled in the valve covers to keep the valve train oiled. Also, I do not think that Ford was bigger than GM in the '50's and 60's either in sales or revenue.
I agree with you on GM being bigger with sales and revenue...I think he meant that Ford was bigger in the fact they created everything from their own raw materials. From wood to glass they did it all. Where GM outsourced everything.....which is fine too. I've always been open minded with car brands.....I drove Fords for years....and now Dodge trucks and cars. But I have had other brands and they worked well too. I've had good luck with anything I've driven. All the companies make cars that are not great in some models.
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Very well done and good information. One caveat, the FE 352 was first produced in 1958 with the 332 during the introductory year and the 360 was the FE and the 361 was an FT. You did nail the bore for the 352, 360, 390 at 4.00, 4.05, 4.05. I really liked the video and agree that the Ford FE (especially the 390) is a good motor for building a solid performing Ford. It is also fairly expensive to modify. For the money I would recommend the 351 Windsor (which I believe you also recommended). Thank you!!!
@@todbarker9104 The 352 and 361 were both released for the 1958 model year. The 352 was the Ford performance engine, The 361 was standard in the Ford Based Edsel, and optional in Ford as police intercepted. in 1959 the Edsel was down graded and could be had with a 6 cylinder or a 292Y block
You may have been only covering passenger and small truck engines, and may not have been popular and lesser known but Ford made some for heavy duty trucks the Super Duty SD 401, 477, and 534. No timing chains but gear drive. Used in largetrucks only.
Rebuilt a 460 in a 69 Lincoln a few years ago. Totally different crankshaft. The power steering pump is mounted on the crank snout. So the snout is longer. Weird seal on the front. Good luck finding a replacement!
You didn’t mention the new 7.3L V8, which seems to be a purpose built truck engine. Is it an evolution of an earlier engine family or something totally new?
LIKE!! THANKS for the great information! I still can't understand the difference between a Y block and a V block . Are they not both bored in a 90 degree? angle spread to each other's cylinder banks?
Skirted block. The crank centerline on the typical V blocks was the bottom of the casting. Where the Y engine’s casting put the centerline of the crank “inside” of the block. Very similar to how many of today’s modern V8s are designed.
The Cleveland lived on in Australia until 1982. It was an option for the Falcon and Fairlane. . There were 2 capacities 302 and 351 and 2 different head designs. Ford Australia had the castings for the block and it ceased production with the last V8 produced in 1982. The V8 wouldn’t return until1992 as the Windsor 5.0HO and ended in 2002. Then we took the US modular V8 and turned it into the Boss 260 5.4L it’s run ended in 2011 , replaced with the Miami V8 a supercharged version of the coyote. This would end in 2015 . Without the Falcon the only V8 in Australian would be the mustang V8. We also received the modular 4.6 in the mustang and presently the 5.0 coyote. The Cleveland had a cult following in Australia and still to this day the 351 Cleveland has its place in motoring history here. Long live the V8.
The Chevy OHV straight 6 usually had more HP than same year Ford flathead V8...
Chevy and Cadillac had V8s before Ford...
Ford flathead V8 actually put into Ford trucks in Europe until mid 1970s or '80's...
Thank you for great recap
In Australia the 351 Cleveland is a legend engine, used in the 1971 Falcon GTHO Phase III, to win the Bathurst 500 in the same year, an original Phase III is the most collectable car ever manufactured in Australia $M+
One thing I think I read somewhere, is that, Ford NASCAR teams in the 70's liked to use what they referred to as the Cleveland OZ block based on the Phase III Australian block,
Thanks again for your great shows
Cheers
Pete
If they could see how far we pushed the clevo in Australia it would blow there minds
Good video on the older Ford engines. CZcams needs more videos like this!
Thank you for the refresher course.
I'm a hard-core Ford guy, and my knowledge is getting rusty from being out of the game for several years, and I have enjoyed your videos over the years and always look forward to new videos you put out. Thank You
I personally loved it!! Covered many of the bases and touched on some others. Fairly comprehensive in my thinking!!
Thank you!! I'm a Ford guy and loved it!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I never knew that Ford actually had their own mining operations to make their own steel. Thanks for sharing that, much appreciated. This is most likely the reason why Ford was always known to have the strongest axles & rear ends.
When time permits, check out the story of Ford's River Rogue Plant.
I'll check it out. Thank you.@@billfioretti3013
Many 427's were put into Chris Craft twin drive large boats and also sold all over south Louisiana for irrigation pumps in the sugarcane fields , I worked on many of them . They could hold high RPM's all day without issues and only wear out the water pumps and rear seals . Dad had a 400 in a 76 Mercury Marquis and for such a heavy car it would get up and go , I guess that motor had more torque than HP . Great video !!!! I forgot the big trucks had the FE 370 !!!
One of the most underrated CZcams channels in the Motor head genre.
351C and 351W have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. 351M is a destroked 400 and has the same bellhousing pattern as a 460
I absolutely love these videos! I am a Ford guy through and through but I also watch your chevy videos. I find you content very informative and thought provoking and I feel we need more of this on youtube. Thank you for taking the time to go into the details of these topics!
Good presentation! Two engine families were, understandably, overlooked. The "Lincoln" Y-Block that was used from 52 - 58, and the "MEL" 383, 410, 430, 462 used in Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln from 58 - 67. Certainly not most popular.
Thanks for the presentation. It helped me understand the differences in the different Ford engine lines and cleared up some confusion I have had. Thanks, again.
I have a 385 series 429 in my 69 Thunderbird and I always watch this channel looking for ideas and history on this and other ford engines!
Here goes the condensed 3,000 word comment.
You nutshell nailed it good my friend and good to see you back at it. My personal favorite from FoMoCo is actually the 430 MEL (Marauders) but that's not actually Ford.
Again, good stuff and supper glad to see you back man.
The MEL Marauder 430 engine was available in the Ford Thunderbird 1958 -59 so it was a Ford engine.
As a lifelong Ford owner and supporter, I thank you for this. Gasoline fueled Ford V-8 Engines throughout the years were many, varied and at times even redundant and confusing. However, the vast majority were competent, reliable and had long production runs. A few not so much. Performance Ford V-8's were able to meet or exceed the off-road successes of the competition. Many of Ford's V-8's have become legendary, live on and are popular to this to this day. But infamous. I beg to differ. Also, a cult member I am not.😉
Great video love it 🇺🇸
I don't even like Ford, and I enjoyed it🤣🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Awesome video! Very informative and entertaining. I've had several of these engines
in different cars/trucks in the past and even today. Still running a Windsor 302 roller
from 1995 in my F150. Thanks for your videos.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for video. Would love to see more like this
I do like the FE engine family, especially the 427. I was waiting for you to mention some of the special and unique aspects of the 427. Like "cross bolt mains" on #2, #3, #4. Some had bumper pistons. Also, the nickel content increased for racing endurance. As a side point many of these engines were in Boats. I actually retrieved two 427 motors from a twin-engine Cris Craft (they had left and right turning 427's)
I was waiting for him to mention the side oiler 427s and also the MEL series
Bumper pistons for marine engines to push those floating valves back shut.
I think you are my favorite modern youtuber. What a hidden gem
thanks!
Keep doing what you do, GOD BLESS YOU.
I love the Ford Engine History. Thank you!
For this Mopar guy the video was helpful. Ford 351 engines have been quite a mystery. As you may suspect the FE are my favorite.
The Y block over under intake ports is just another way to deal with dual plane intake manifold. Its like an extension of the intake into the head
I think it was a great little run down. You set yourself up for folks wanting gm and mopar for sure! I’m a lot less knowledgeable on them and the timelines. We appreciate everything you do!
Love this history lesson..great job!
Great job explaining the Ford Family! I'm really a Chevy guy but my grandson loved the video. Since he owns a 1966 Ford Mustang with a 410 stroker I build him. My granddaughter as well owns a 1966 Mustang with a kick ass 302! 👍💕
Ford FE has the heaviest cast iron intake manifold known to man. Lost the bolts? Na problemo, just set the intake in place in forget about it 😂
yep, I always tell people if you replace the iron FE intake with aluminum your front end will probably come up an inch or two
The FE intake was half of the head, so changing to the aluminum and port them, they are amazing. The intake was 75 lbs and the aluminum was 25. An aluminum water pump really helped too.
The 429-460 is a very heavy engine. With full assembly you will want to brace the engine stand. There is a myth that the FE is heavier and that is not true. The FE is close to 100 lbs lighter. If the intake manifold is swapped on each tire FE is close to the SBC in weight. The 385 series is comparable to the BBC.
Amen to that. That cast iron intake is as heavy as a white dwarf star.
@@davidwier2862 I can’t imagine how I replaced so many. Ford even sold a Medium-Riser intake and cam and lifter kit out of the catalog that had a 715 Holley that was guaranteed to add 75 hp and 100 hp with the Stock kit headers and 150 with the SS headers that crossed two pieces from one side to the other. Right out of the catalog. It was too bad that they didn’t build them that way. A 330 hp to 460 hp with a kit that knocks off 75-100 lbs off the nose. It was a shop in Detroit. I swapped out a few for people and they were able to play with the big boys. A 428 CJ with this kit in a Torino or Mustang was ready to go racing. When Edelbrock tried to redesign the heads and intake. And the RPM cam kit, they discovered that Ford had a covered and they just copied the CJ all in aluminum and had the 410 hp cam as a hydraulic. They could not improve the castings but to make them lighter. The aluminum water pump helped too. They were pretty close to a 350 Chevy with the Edelbrock kit.
400M is one of the best ones for performance. It's a stoker 351 Cleveland- stock or aftermarket Cleveland heads bolt right on
Great Ford content as usual. I've got the 400 335 series in my 77 f 150 4x4. And with Cleveland heads, stock pistons, 268 comp Cams bump stick,Scorpion roller rockers, dual plain aluminum intake, and a smallish 600 vacuum secondary Holley carb, it makes respectable power for my heavy truck. Yes this engine family gets a bad rap because of its history of being a smog engine. But I believe if we could try to put some of that in the past and treat this engine the same as some of the more popular one's the aftermarket support may increase as people realize just how strong they can be with the right parts in them. Just like any other V8. I do know the price of the parts will surely stay higher than most engines tho. Keep up the great work. 👍
I agree to a point the issue is the 335 series blocks are thin wall cast so to bore them more than 30 over is taking a chance unless they are sonic tested. The most I’ve heard is 40 over and that was max. Also the rods are weak and the cost of a decent piston that brings them up close to zero deck are expensive. They make good power if you replace the rods and buy the expensive pistons and throw in Cleveland heads but by the time you spend all the money to do that you could have built a Windsor or FE or 429/460.
I love these videos! Please do more!!!
Great video. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching!
Lol! I'm a FE nut & I there was a few points that I felt alil triggered to hurry up & correct you! But even though i have been that guy, I am aware of my weaknesses in life & I dont want to be that guy. I may never be 100% cured of my weaknesses but with time & age I can be better than I was. U got it all close enuf man. Lol! Good job! It's good enuf for me brother.
thanks, I could have spent a few hours doing research instead of just my memory, but I just figured what the heck i'll just wing it that's why I added what I said at the end because I know my memory is not what it used to be and I was more than likely off on some facts
Great video
Great video and job !
Thank you for a great video!
You did a great job telling about the ford engine's I had 2 57 ford's with 312s and they would run great I'm a fun of the 351m & 400s and the 429/460s also thanks for sharing this thumbs up
Love my FE. I dont care if I only get 8 mpg. The sweet sound alone is worth it.
I ran a 400 in drag race the cams were the biggest hold back
Great video! I have a 351M/400 in a 1974 F-100. It came with the truck when I bought it but was definitely not original. Have no idea what I want to do with it but this video was an awesome overview of all the Ford V8s and where this motor fits in! Thanks for putting out great content!
Great video brother, thanx
I have taken in several of your presentations, I find them to be absolutely superb, well done, keep up the good work.
I love the 390 , nice engine in stock form , a little work and money , they can haul ass , if it’s what you want , i was and still happy with a stock 390 ❤
Nice bit of history, well presented.
Thanks for listening
Great video.
Loved the video!
Let’s here about the Chevy small block now. Another great video and I appreciate you depth of knowledge and education.
it posted this morning.
Awesome! Thank you.
Can you do a talk on the Ford 477/535 engine family. Thanks for the great vid's!
As a strictly GM guy. I very much appreciate this explanation as my in-laws are ford guys and when they start talking, i typically tune out
Well done. I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for sharing your wealth of info with us. I do have a 360 FE as my daily driver. Dead reliable.
GREAT VIDEOS!!!!
This guy is the best.
Son bought a 1990 F250 with the roller 302, had a 100K on it, had almost 200K when he sold it, still ran good.
Thank you 👍
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I think you did a fine job in reporting most everything. I understand not going to far with the Flathead V-8. I have been a Flathead guy since I was 14 years old. And know that the Flathead is a video all it's own. Maybe some day you can do that.....Thanks so much for doing a great job.
Love the content, keep it coming.
THANKS FOR POSTING
Liking the new format of your videos, very impressive! I always refer to your videos cause im always learning something new from you. Im building a 408 LS at 11 or so compression that'll go into my 71 olds cutlass. Anyway that i can get a cam recommendation that'll pull like crazy till around 6500 or so. I love hp but id rather have neck snapping torque! I value your opinion. Thanks chief be blessed 👍
Y Block ran from 54-62 in cars but 54-64 in trucks. The Lincoln Y Block has very few parts that interchange with the Ford. The Ford Y was quite durable and found a home in Ford’s line in South America up through the 1980’s. Ford did a phase 2 version with a head/camshaft/firing order design like the Windsor family. Appreciate the video!
Yeah they used the Y block in what's basically a bump side (6th gen f series) until like the 90s lol.
You are right about the Lincoln y block it was a totally different engine than the Ford y block. The Ford y block was built on the 4.38 bore center like the ford Small block. The Lincoln Y was built on the 4.63 bore center like the FE engine
intake ports were not stacked. ports were not stacked. The Lincoln engine was Ford's First over head valve. it was used in heavy trucks until 1962. There was also a MEL engine 430 CI that was used in the Thunder bird in 1968 and 59.
This engine saw known as the Marauder engine and was the first production engine to have more than 400 HP.
Thanks for your great informative videos! Nice job.
Around 1982 I had a '65 Mustang retrofitted with a 351 Cleveland hopped up, 4-sp B&M (quick shift?)...torquey and fast. Ladder bars too lol.
Then more recently a couple Fox Mustangs (88 GT 5-sp. & 91 LX CONV auto. Both 5.0L). The LX wasn't very fast esp. here in Denver.
Then finally a real ratty 1974 F-100 pickup (strictly workhorse for transporting the dirt bike to the track lol) with that FE 390 motor you were mentioning.
Torque city!
Very cool!
Good job on the video!! You left out the Mercury 410 from ‘66-‘67. And the 360 used in the trucks in the early 70’s. 272 is a Y block too. Thank you for taking the time to make this video
Just do more videos. They are great!
Perfect timing. My brother has a 1986 F150 with a 351w that just developed a knock. Trying to figure out how Ford stuff all works so I can help him. I'm a Chevy guy.
Thank you and nice video!!
I enjoyed this video.
Loved it, I think you missed the MEL which had a big 462 cubic incher that went into the Lincoln’s. You also missed the Lincoln Y block, but that could have been developed by Lincoln when it wasn’t under the Ford umbrella. Also you missed Super Duty series that was in big trucks that had a 534 cubic incher and then you missed the best one of all and it was all due to WWII. The Ford GAA which was an all aluminum, 32 valve 60 degree V8. The narrow angle was because Ford wanted into the airplane engine business and he developed an all aluminum 48 valve V12 and the 60 degree V is necessary in the 12 cylinder to keep it even firing.
Great video, use those examples for the next video please sir.
It would be interesting to get your thoughts on the 4.6, 5.4, 6.8 engine family.
to be honest I don't really have much if any experience with those engines I've done a few 4.6/5.4 engines. but that was 20+ years ago.
All the engines I spoke of I have built and worked with over the years the flat head is kind of an exception I did one ford v8 flat head many years ago
I have done a ton of Plymouth and Chrysler industrial flat heads
Around 200K the 6.8 V10 likes to warp and crack exhaust manifolds. As well as breaking the studs in the cylinder heads.
Also around that mileage the valve springs break and the lifter followers spit their needle bearings.
If you hear ANY engine noise out of a 6.8, you had better fix it asap. Or else you'll be slinging in a replacement.
I always like engine history especially which engines were the best and which ones can be built up. I am not a major purist to anything. I do own a 1964 Ford F250 with a 292 Y block and a 1975 Ford Gran Torino with a 351W. I am more of a Dodge guy but like all American major 3 car maker, cars and even some AMC cars. I would like to see the engine history of Dodge and GM. Tackle AMC as well,maybe. But I like the idea as well to go deeper into any engine. I have heard the 429/460 had the same stroker ability as the FE engines. I heard the 429/460 put the camshaft up so high in the block that very little clearancing needed to be done compared to the Mopar 440 or GM 454. That is what I heard but a good point to make or clear up if you revisit those engines.
😂😂 love the ending... Tractors are cool.. 😂😂
The Y-Block hung around in pickup trucks until '64 when the 352 replaced it in '65.
Thanks for that video 👍
You bet
I’m definitely not going to criticize or make any corrections, great information and spot on, but you did overlook one version, the MEL series, Mercury, Edsel,Lincoln, very rare and hard to find dinosaur, thank you !
Thanks for the info!
Would love to see more detailed summaries of the separate Ford V8 families like you did for the GM division specific engines. When you consider for overseas use, a lot of history to cover.
The Packard Twelve was a range of V12-engined luxury automobiles built by the Packard Motor Car Company in Detroit, Michigan. The car was built from model year 1916 until 1923, then it returned 1933 until 1939. As a sign of changing times, the majority of second generation Packard Twelves received standard bodywork, with custom bodywork gradually losing favor. Many of the custom cars were actually only "semi-customs", with Dietrich assembling Packard-made bodies with special touches.[1][2]
Like most people I am super familiar with the Windsor family of engines along with the Cleveland. One of them was always in a Mustang or Cougar that I drove in the late 80’s thru late 90’s. All were good reliable power plants.
At the present day I’m still driving a Windsor small block which is in my 91 Fox Mustang, the OG 5 oh
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1964 we had moved from Tulsa to Calgary. 1960 Ford 2 door base 292 2bbl, 3 on tree. It started every mornijg except the mornings it was -40F. It did not have a block heat until 1965. The old cheap stripper ford 2 dr sedan just started and ran no carpet but a rubber matcovering.
Tim Meyer might disagree with the 351M take here. I have one in my F350, and I just this week bought another for a spare-as things go, they are cheaper to acquire than the C version, but they can be modified for peak performance. In Australia, the 351M was made ALL through the 80s and into the 90s I think.
Like I mentioned they can be made to run pretty good,
but the lack of performance internals from the aftermarket makes them challenging and expensive,
the cylinder heads are also very poor performers you need Clevland heads that are very hard to find any more or an aftermarket head those equal big $$$$ the W engine is much more bang for the buck mainly because there are so many more of them around along with the fact that there is a huge aftermarket support for the Windsor engines and the later 351W can be found with factory roller camshafts this is a huge + now days with all of the poor quality flat tappets being produced , can the M engines make decant power? Yes they can,
but to get the same output as a W base engine you're going to spend double the money for most people choosing a project engine the M engine just does not make sense
@@Myvintageiron7512 I do not disagree generally, but as George Reid noted "These engines didn’t live long enough in production nor did they realize their great potential as factory high-performance engines due mostly to the unfortunate timing of tougher federal emission standards and higher auto insurance rates. It arrived during a period of changing attitudes about high- performance automobiles.” In other words, the potential was always there, and the engine was built by people in the C1/c2 plants with the understanding they were building a muscle engine.
Wrong
Model X (1926-1927)
The Model X is a sportier version of the Model A with a heavier and longer (136 in (3,500 mm) wheelbase) chassis and 100 hp (75 kW) engine that enabled it to reach 100 mph (161 km/h).[19] The most notable differences between the A and the X were that the latter had hypoid differentials and all its valves were on one side.[8]
The Duesenberg Model X chassis is an upgrade over the Model A chassis, offering a reworked 260 cu. in. straight-8 engine, an overhead cam, with a new crankshaft, revised valve train, improved pistons and superior intake manifold. Power is 100 hp, which made driving at 100 mph possible. The chassis length increased to 136 inches, with additional reinforcements. Improved leaf springs are mounted above the frame rails, thus, lowering the center of gravity. The Duesenberg Model X chassis is the rarest Duesenberg street production chassis ever made, with only thirteen ever manufactured. Only five of the Duesenberg Model Xs manufactured are known to have survived
Right on
Great overview, do some more.
in the works
Great.@@Myvintageiron7512
I hear this all the time about the FE the 360 390 was light truck passenger vehicle, the 361-391 medium duty truck engines heavy crankshaft large snout very heavy slow revving torque engines. I'm a fan of the FE engines they were terrible on fuel they were somewhat inefficient but you could make torque more substantially than horsepower. Great engines sound awesome.when built up.
Every time i see a US video they neglect to state the 351 Cleveland and the 302 Cleveland ( yes i said 302 c ) were produced in Australia from 1974 untill 1984/5 and was the most common Ford V8 in Australia they were in everything from up market Taxis to F150 trucks, Buses , they were cast and assembled in Geelong Australia.
yeah I have known about the Australian 302 Cleveland for decades now, but it really has no place in American muscle car history, I need to correct you when you state it was not mentioned,
I actually did mention it in this video you probably need to watch closer in America it was known as the Boss 302
@@Myvintageiron7512 sorry my friend the 302 Cleveland was nothing to do with a Boss 302 , the Boss 302 uses a Windsor style bottom end and Cleveland style heads ( although the there was no Cleveland when the Boss was designed ) the Aussie 302 Cleveland was a 351 Cleveland block were Ford Australia installed a 3 inch stroke crank , 6 inch rods retaining the 4 inch bore , it came with ( very sort after even today) 2 V style Closed Chamber heads unique to the 302c even though it was a four barrel engine ( Carter Thermoquad carbies just like the Aussie 351 C ) this is a true 302 Cleveland , a very popular conversion was a set of 2V 302c heads with 4V US 351c valves on a 351 W block with a 400 (335 series) crank in the 351w block as they share the same Journal diameter ( drops straight in , as Ford did the opposite by dropping a 351W crank in the 400 block making a 351M it's M because it was a modified 400 but I've heard Michagan Casting Centre or even Midland as in mid way between Big and Small Block ) either way a Boss 408 comes out of the 302c heads , 351w block + 0.30, 400 crank , and Aussie Clevor alloy intake manifold that links the W block to C heads. All Ford bar the intake. If you want to see an odd ball 351 Ford Australia was looking around in 1974 for a new V8 to produce in Australia they thought the Cleveland was a bit over the top for Taxis, family cars , ect so they built a 351 Cleveland bottom end and used 351 W heads in effect making a reverse Boss to tone down the normal Cleveland, they were installed in family cars , about 40 prototypes were made I saw a complete one in a 1973 ford falcon , a very rare and special Windsor heads on Cleveland block manifold was cast in iron ( of course) by Ford Australia. But they ended up creating the 302c with its unique heads and out 351c with its own 2v style heads with 4 barrel intakes matching 2v port profiles. Ford Australia did crazy things , they took the 200ci and 250 ci Ford Sixes and put Cleveland style Canted Valve heads on them first in iron then in mid 1980s alloy , they got Honda to design the ports and combustion chambers. One last thing , to say the 351 Clevelands and Windsors share only displacement is a bit off , they share some very important things like bore spaceing , head bolt locations, bell housings , engine mount locations, this makes a bit of mix and matching possible, as in the above Boss 408 , I think it's a bit strange Ford chose to build 4 engines with the same bore and stroke that were different families , sort of in 1973 the 351 C, 351 W, 351 M and 352 FE all the same size ! Thanks for your time.
Aussies got the best stuff! ;)
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 yes we did things differently down here , outside the US we are the only other country to really embrace the V8 , I sort of miss Holden , they made the best affordable V8 cars, Ford too but GM Holden was probably the first V8 most people worked on.
Excellent analysis! My Dad had a 58 Mercury Monterrey with a 383 MEL engine family. I believe that this was also FE based, but it had a Herron type cylinder head which made it a wedge combustion chamber. I wasn't quite old enough to know more than looking out over the padded dash and it having a push button transmission. We junked the car in the 1980s and really wish we hadn't. Again, great analysis and very much appreciated. I would also like to add my 2 cents for a similar style video on the various GM engines and Chrysler too!
Actually the 383,410,430 and 462 are MEL engines. MEL stood for Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln. These are different than the FE engines with FE standing for Ford Edsel. Note that the MEL 410 is a Edsel engine here and were only found in Edsel cars. in the mid 60's there was also a 410 engine and these were in Mercury cars and these engines were FE based, basically a 390 with a 428 crankshaft.
1915 Cadillac introduced a mass produce v8,chevy also had a v8 in those days. Ford over produced their v8 and made it affordable for everyone. Love your videos great info and advice.just check history.👍
yes caddy had one along with a few others but they were definitely not mass produced,
the production was limited those v8's were cast in several sections and bolted together they were heavy and very expensive to make each one was Custome built by hand, not assembly line built IE mass produced, in fact when the ford flat head came out Henry Ford had already been producing V8's in his Lincon's for over a decade but again heavy underpowered and expensive the flat head was a 1 piece casting mass produced on an assembly line it was the first v8 built this way
Loved your video! My first veheicle was a '48 F100 with a '49 Merc flat head 62 years ago. I still drive Ford pickups. However I'm wondering are you going to do a vid on Ford 6 bangers?
I enjoyed it. For big power in Oz Clevland's are the go because we made them for ten years. FE's and 385 are unobtainium here, so it's Clevland baby! The lack of 4 barrel heads when i was young in the mid 80's , was disappointing. They were around but racers horded them it seemed. These days many great after market heads are available. Please look into them maybe?
The 400 is a tall deck Cleveland, high compression pistons and you have a high cube Cleveland.
thanks , my first car in 1973 was a 1965 tbird with the 390, do you know why it had an overflow radiator tank that was different than any other ford that i saw. I see 390 hotrod cars today that do not have this extra tank.any thoughts on that.
A few things to note:
The flathead ran hot because the exhaust had to flow out between the cylinders. This held the heat inside the engine longer. Other manufactures of flathead V-8's ran the exhaust out the top. As long as they were careful not to vapor lock the fuel line this was not a problem. Ford eventually installed two water pumps to cool the engine better.
FE stands for Ford Edsel.
Y blocks often suffered from clogged oil passages to the valve train because the non-detergent oil in those days could not keep the passages clean. Many people ran small lines from the external oil pump to holes drilled in the valve covers to keep the valve train oiled.
Also, I do not think that Ford was bigger than GM in the '50's and 60's either in sales or revenue.
I agree with you on GM being bigger with sales and revenue...I think he meant that Ford was bigger in the fact they created everything from their own raw materials. From wood to glass they did it all. Where GM outsourced everything.....which is fine too. I've always been open minded with car brands.....I drove Fords for years....and now Dodge trucks and cars. But I have had other brands and they worked well too. I've had good luck with anything I've driven. All the companies make cars that are not great in some models.
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I live for this kinda information and motor knowledge, to bad i cant remember half of it! 😂 you should do GM and Mopar next! This was awesome!!!!!!!
GM and mopar history vids are already posted
The first Model J prototype was created in 1927 and the first cars were delivered in 1929, shortly before the onset of the Great Depression. About three hundred Model Js were completed by 1930, short of the original 500-vehicle goal.[21]
Model J engine
The car's 7 L (420 cu in) engine was based on the company's racing engines of the 1920s and was manufactured by another Cord company, Lycoming.[22]: 73 It output 265 horsepower (198 kW), aided by dual overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder, making it the most powerful car of its time.[21][22]: 72 The Model J was capable of a top speed of 118 mph (190 km/h), and 88 mph (142 km/h) in second gear. Duesenberg historian Randy Ema wrote that the Model J spurred change in engine design, "single-handedly (starting) the horsepower race that drove the number of cylinders from twelve to sixteen," but noted those engines still could not match the Model J's
Very well done and good information. One caveat, the FE 352 was first produced in 1958 with the 332 during the introductory year and the 360 was the FE and the 361 was an FT. You did nail the bore for the 352, 360, 390 at 4.00, 4.05, 4.05. I really liked the video and agree that the Ford FE (especially the 390) is a good motor for building a solid performing Ford. It is also fairly expensive to modify. For the money I would recommend the 351 Windsor (which I believe you also recommended). Thank you!!!
352 came out in 1960 332 was 58 and 59 .
The 352 was available in 1958 and 1959 in the Thunderbird and the Edsel.
@@todbarker9104 The 352 and 361 were both released for the 1958 model year. The 352 was the Ford performance engine,
The 361 was standard in the Ford Based Edsel, and optional in Ford as police intercepted. in 1959 the Edsel was down graded and could be had with a 6 cylinder or a 292Y block
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You may have been only covering passenger and small truck engines, and may not have been popular and lesser known but Ford made some for heavy duty trucks the Super Duty SD 401, 477, and 534. No timing chains but gear drive. Used in largetrucks only.
Awesome video. I'd like to know more about international pickup motors I know where one is sitting
Rebuilt a 460 in a 69 Lincoln a few years ago. Totally different crankshaft. The power steering pump is mounted on the crank snout. So the snout is longer. Weird seal on the front. Good luck finding a replacement!
that was probably a 462
You didn’t mention the new 7.3L V8, which seems to be a purpose built truck engine. Is it an evolution of an earlier engine family or something totally new?
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THANKS for the great information! I still can't understand the difference between a Y block and a V block . Are they not both bored in a 90 degree? angle spread to each other's cylinder banks?
Skirted block. The crank centerline on the typical V blocks was the bottom of the casting. Where the Y engine’s casting put the centerline of the crank “inside” of the block. Very similar to how many of today’s modern V8s are designed.