Neolithic and Ancient Roman Fire Methods
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every time I watch one of your videos I get a feeling of how adaptable and competent our ancestors were in their environment. We have lost so much knowledge, but you are helping us rediscover our past .Thank you
Two rocks, a fungus and some tree bark. Amazing.
Otzi is smiling!
sulphur also lowers ignition temperature, that's why it is used in black powder
If i remember correctly Otzi had 2 mushrooms on him. one for ingestion i think they said, the other for fire.
I live in an area with lots of pyrite mines...worth trying...after all, the name "pyrite" has its origins in "pyro" that means FIRE in greek...so you see the conection, they even included the instruction manual in the name of the rock...but we never read the manuals, right?
From a member of the Portuguese Bushcraft School...I salute Dave and his Folks
Thanks
Pretty awesome techniques! I think that fungus grows in Greece too. People used to put it in lighters in the villages. We call it "iska" and it grows like some kind of mushroom on the sides of trees! Thanks for sharing!
I really like the fact of you bringing the modern people knowledge that you've acquired throughout your life again Dave.Thank you ,keep on keeping on!
great video Dave. I'm curios to know how long would that fungus stay viable in my fire kit?
Thanks, David. This is the best video of its kind on the internet for pure information... and it WORKS.
I purchased a beautiful reproduction viking "firesteel".
I took my favorite piece of red jasper that throws sparks like crazy from my firesteel I got from Ray Mears's site, and hit it with the viking "firesteel".
Nothing. Nothing again. Never.
Then it hit me... right! This video.
I just received my chunk of pyrite ore (purchased from a science supply house where this stuff is cheaper than from most online that are selling it.) I took the rock and hit my viking fire iron with it. Bingo! The sparks come off in clusters as the ore is clustered, glow with a different sort of yellow, and look like falling meteors breaking apart in the stratosphere. They can be big, and just like David said, they tend to hang around a few microseconds longer... and you can see it.
A subtle degree of perception that is a treat for the senses.
Then you smell sulfur.
Thanks again for this practical and informative video, David. I took the information and used it.
I have an artifact the Native Americans used which is a recycled arrowhead in which the back end was used as a fire striker. You'd be surprised how effective a tiny striker rock can actually be and it won't bash into the tinder. Light wrist flicks is all you need. Big fan Dave! Good video!
Nothing better than the application of knowledge! Greatly appreciate your tenacity for your love for this field. Thanks Dave! By the way, I have ordered products from you and they are not only super reasonable but EXCELLENT!
I love the mix of history and example. Much more real for me seeing how it's not always as easy as it looks. Good stuff. And thanks for all the stuff you have taught me.
Excellent in depth review of the various fire starting methods. Thanks
Thanks for sharing that older fire making way with us Dave. I watched a program about Otzi last year on PBS where the Scientist did new scans and X-rays that revealed the arrowhead in his shoulder area. They also talked about his tools and the possibility that what most thought was his knife may have been his fire "striker".
as always, great stuff from the phenomenal teacher .
I love how passionate and knowledgeable you are about fire starting.
Very nice video, Dave! The playing with sequencing was pretty nice, as it clearly showed what you wanted us to see!
Thanks for the interesting video, and I'll keep a lookout for the horseshoe fungus!
Holy cow, I just remembered I collected some pyrite a few years back. I took it out and tested it. Man were they big sparks. Thanks for Sharing this awesome info Dave!
Dave u are amazing. If only we could express how much we appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. U are a legend in your own time!
Very cool, history and bush craft/primitive skills in the same video.....thank's Dave.
A tip for you Dave - marcasite is a mineral made of iron sulfide but with a different crystalline structure than fool's gold - the ancients knew the difference and prefered marcasite over fool's gold as it works much better. Iirc it is what otzi actually had rather than pyrite. It is available on ebay and amazon - try it you will much prefer it over regular iron pyrite.
Excellent, informative video. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
There are some good ways of processing the amadou, this makes it almost a leather like consistency and you get more out of the fungus. As for fungus a few bracket fungus work but horses hoof is best followed by birch polypore. When you come to the UK bushcraft show next year you'll see plenty of it
chaga fungus (also found on birch trees) works incredibly well as a tinder fungus and is a powerful medicinal allowing you to keep a multi purpose aspect with your fire kit . Thank you so much for your videos dave proud to be a subscriber of your channel and id gladly send some chaga your way from halifax nova scotia canada , you just say the word brother, keep up the great work !
Hi Dave thanks for this really interesting video on the progression of firecraft.
There is a book which EVERY bushcrafter should read and that is Jean Auel's book 'The Clan Of The Cave Bear', also its sequel 'The Valley Of Horses'. It describes perfectly how the Neanderthals lived 60 000 years ago. Jean Auel won archaeological awards for her research. The Neanderthals were an ASTONISHINGLY sophisticated civilization.
Great research Dave. Thank you for sharing!
Just starting with flint and steel. Fascinating stuff Dave !
Thanks Dave, I always enjoy learning new facts about Otzi.
I learned 2 things here : I had already considered that the first method of strike ignition was probably using iron pyrite and good grade European flint in the neolithic. You confirmed that 'theory' of mine.
The 2nd thing is that iron pyrite ore, can serve as a 'flint' with a fire steel, in areas where chert simply doesn't occur, geologically-speaking, ( like mine). I knew about quartz as a native sourced material for fire striking, but pyrite puts a new wrinkle on things
LOTS of quartz, ( usually white quartz) and iron pyrite, here in the Western Cascades. Thanks, Dave. Put it to good use.
Trapper Tom,
Wow Dave, really opened my eyes. It is much easier to find pyrite than suitable chert in North Georgia. Fomes fomentarius is only found at the higher elevations (at least by me). The rest of the fungus works well as a fire carry.. especially when charred. Thanks for sharing!
Enjoyed the detailed discription of how the materials work.. better late than never.. ty
Its always great to find a good fire starter.
Nice. Thanks for sharing this informative tutorial video.
Greetings, THANK YOU DAVE FOR THIS !!!!! And yes, I did mean to shout this out. This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I love to do and learn about. Thank you for the share. Hurrah! pax, PL
P.S. since the late 1960's I have been doing historical demonstrations and examples of what I call, "Experimental History". The one thing I am explaining all of the time and worked hard to have those that saw and participated to understand from my demonstrations was this one thought.....
"Just because they are dead now doesn't mean they were stupid then." :
Keep up the good work, pax, PL
Great presentation, Dave.
Nice work Dave.
You're great at making your self understood Dave.
Hope everything is going well for you sir. I always loved watching your videos.
I. Really enjoyed that video Dave ...
Dave,
Very good historical explanation, of some of the earlier fire starting methods.
Also, the secondary, and tertiary experiments/demonstrations were good too.
I would only modify your method slightly, by scraping and placing my tinder onto a small platform, or shim, that I could lift up after a coal had formed.
Of course you used the knife blade which obviously works too.
I would also use a small bellows, basically a straw to gently focus more oxygen onto the tinder as the coal was forming.
Obviously, if I needed to start a fire, and I wanted to do it quickly, I would use something like a lighter, or a UCO Stormproof match.
The historical techniques that you showcased would be much harder to utilize in wet or damp weather.
Anyway, all of this is good to have knowledge, just in case, or if you desire to use primitive skills.
Thanks for taking the time to share.
Learned something new. Thanks Dave
Awesome video! Keep them coming
I saw a video where horse hoof fungus was charred in a tin like char cloth. It worked very well.
Thanks for the video. Yet another way to achieve fire. Love it!
Great, Dave! Thank you...very interesting.
Very cool Dave.
Love the history you showed. Great video
Super video sir. I watched dual survival. So glad to find you doing all these amazing resourceful videos. God is good!
I think ive watched this video like 3 times and i still love it man
Great video. Thank you 😊
Thanks David very interesting subject thumbs up 👍
Horse hoof fungus plenty of it in my area if you know where to look.
Thanks for sharing 👌🇬🇧
Great video Dave . I like to show using pyrites in a very dark area , to show people they are getting more sparks and hot materials than they might think. Thanks for your research and video. All the best.
great video dave
Now I get why you told us about the pyrite in the basic class. Next time I see that stuff. I’ll grab some and give it a try. Awesome!!
thanks Dave very educational good luck deer hunting this year hope you get a big one
Another very excellent video!!
This is way cool. Pyrite I can find, flint not so much. Thank you for teaching this. Your Facebook video using the Garberg knife really seems to take that knife up a bunch of notches in my book. Thank you so much sharing this information.
Thanks Dave I found the books I want at the library of the city.
your effort is educational and appreciated
Excellent video!
I didn't know the Roman fire method before the gathering! Great demostration!
Thank you for making this video.
Thanks for crediting my friend Michele Lupoli from W.O.L.V.E.S Italia, for where you learnt some of these methods. I enjoyed this video immensely..
There is a man in Alabama, Ben Norton, who sells a ironpyrite/marcasite fire buildingkit. I have been striking marcasite against iron pyrite with amadou(processed) to catch the spark which works well. You can get horseshoe fungus from Michigan Mushroom LLC as well as chaga for very reasonable prices. I buy processed amadou from Forever Mushroom in Knoxville, TN. You might check them out. David Mashburn
Brilliant video
Great tutorial, thank you!
very cool, thanks for showing us. greetings from Belgium.
Never thought about pyrite. Good info Dave
very nice dave keep them videos coming:-)
Thank you for being on here on CZcams to help me re learn these techniques that I had learned originally in the Boy Scouts and that the Boy Scouts are no longer teaching these days
Romans have high carbon tool steel, and they use it like any later firesteel - with flint.
I made a tool steel (about 1,2% C)with historical methods of that period, and works great as firesteel.
That method is known as Aristotle furnace, and it is not only one method to create high carbon steel in that times.
I would say this depends on the Era in Roman history which starting about 753BC
I agree that "Romans" started with wrought iron and pyrite.
Dave can you try using those primitive methods with a fluffy cattail? if it was dried out of course.
Iv'e found a fair few horse hoof fungi locally where I live here in the UK.
I have only found it on dead silver birch trees - whether they be standing on laying on the ground. I took most of a large horse hoof fungus off of a dead silver birch laying on the ground near a pond, and it has been growing back well (so it is possible to harvest horse hoof fungus carefully and have it grow a new horse hoof fungus from the same spot on a dead silver birch).
Nice. Thank you for the info.
Thank you sir, some neat info
If you want to research more Ray mears did this as well with marcasite and flint like the natives in England did
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Thanks for posting. I'm always interested in Stone Age techniques of fire starting.
great info sir..really good research..safe journeys
Very, very cool. Thanks!
Nice, I've been to the Ötzi museum 2 years ago in Ötztal. Very interesting!
Great tutorial.
very nice thank you very much David for sharing that with us I will be sure to hunt me down some iron pyrite for my go bag
Thanks Dave. ZZ.
Wild! Thank you for the history lesson
As always Dave, great video and very informative. I have to ask you the brand name of your shirt and where you bought it from? Thanks.
Very good Sir.
Awesome!
Just a thought,but when you were fanning the ember...if you had a drinking straw or tubing you could have blown softly and had pinpoint accuracy to supply oxygen to the ember.
awsome video
great vid Dave pirate who would have thought utzy methodology love reading and watching that little guys kit not much but all multi use atb...tom
It took me three minutes to notice the glowing piece of fungus.. Imagine how interesting you speak and explain things! Nice vids, will subscribe now and follow you! Kind regards from Holland.
Thanks for the lesson
I always love watching your videos even though this is an older one like you always doing research 🧐 and learning new skills and shadow says Hi she heard your voice and went to looking for you lol
I would like to confirm that this very same fungus grows in Eastern Canada. I am sure that it is even more prevalent in the US. Thank you for the very informative video.
Interesting stuff
An easier way to process the amadou is by cutting into it with a small saw, like you would find on a SAK or a Leatherman. You can get a really fine dust that way, and it takes almost no effort at all.
Awesome knowledge. Will you be offering that leather bag in the SRO store and/or online?
really nice
I have done this stones method in forest fountain. Pine rasin will help more .
thanks for making this video
Field mouse @ 11:50 , bottom left. Looks like enough for a snack ;)
Awesome! Makes me want to draw pictures in a cave
Good show