Suzuki Jimny BIG BLOCK engine conversion! [EP1] M13A to M16A swap
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- JC wants more power and Eastie is a bad influence, so he's talked JC into a daunting project: upping the displacement over the modest 1.3L that the little Jimny comes with.
To replace the ailing M13A engine, JC has sourced an M16A from a Suzuki Swift Sport. They say it's almost a straight swap, but is it really that simple? One thing is for sure... there's no replacement for displacement.
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Next episode please , I am about to do the same but with a m16a vvt SX4 ... I wondering what I need, that is why I need to see the next video , great job guys , Greetings from Poland from an Venezuelan guy , Bless
Coming soon! Progress is slow, we've had so much on
Amigo, soy de Argentina...estuve averiguando y hay un motor 2.0 de la que aqui se llama Suzuki Grand Vitara. Será que se le puede adaptar al Jimny 1.3 m13a?
El 1.6 es el unico upgrade que se le puede hacer por tema de la caja de cambio y demás?
Saludos desde la Patagonia! 😀🇦🇷✌🏾
@@henryrollins9177
¡Hola amigo! Eso es posible. Ese motor es el H20A. Debe verificar si la caja de cambios se conectará al motor y si el TC estará en la posición correcta. No tenemos ese motor aquí, así que no puedo ayudar mucho. Mucha suerte 🙋♂️😁
@@OutAboutOffroad Bien!
Estoy leyendo en los foros de Australia y veo que hacen el swap que ustedes hacen...pero quiero un motor mas grande...😀😀
Voy a averiguar el bolt pattern de la caja de Grand Vitara y verificar si coincide con el de el m13a.
Saludos y gracias!
Episode 2 is up
Just a 1.6 8v in my 86 samurai was a nice improvement! Gearing goes a long way too. Lower tcase gears and Ring/Pinion gear set bring the power back as well.
Nice effort. Look fwd to seeing the next exciting episode.
Episode 2 is up
So glad I found this video and your channel
OMG, the engine is dirty, we must insert a new one!
No, just kidding, great job guys.
Love to see a turbo conversion in that 1.6 think it will go quite well 👌👍
The torque handling of the gearbox is a bit of an unknown but if JC is feeling reckless one day, he might eventually give in to my constant pestering to put a turbo on it anyway 🙄
Awesome stuff boys, subbed.
These guys do know what a big block engine is right….
By any chance did you notice a difference in the diameter and length on the crank flange if you swapped over the flex plate? Im doing a swap from a manual non vvt and the flange for the flywheel is way shorter and smaller in diameter... Currently getting screwed over longer flange on the 1.6 as it will push the spigot bearing out 😂...
Nice work! I own a suzuki swift sport and am considering swapping it with a m18a engine from a suzuki Liana. Would love to see someone attempt it.
What engine do you have at the moment? I think the newer 1.6 and the old Liana 1.8 give similar performance. The 1.6 is a later design.
@@OutAboutOffroad while the m16a gives better performance from what I've read. Due to the engine block being based on the same casting, a M16a cylinder head can be bolted onto a M18a shortblock while using the stock internals (crank, pistons and rods) in a Suzuki Swift Sport, in order to have more torque on the whole rev band. Now you know as much as me! Haha
Sub'ed! Looking forward to the next video!
I'm about to finish doing a swap on my jimny to the m16a from a 2010 swift sport. It's alot less mucking around then the 2011 onwards m16a. It's a complete bolt in swap.
Did you finish the swap? Do all accesories fit fine or do you have problems with the front temp sensor as in the video?
@@carsandcook everything was a straight bolt over, didn't have issues with the front sensor or the manifold studs missing.
are both engines vvt ?
I am just about to do the same thing
Go for it! Make sure you know what your plan is for the electrical fiddly bits like the crank tone wheel and transmission etc if you have an auto
Great video fellas. Do you still have the old M13A engine?
no shot you backed into the engine 💀
I had an x90 . Couldn't get over how gutless it was . Hope there's something you can do to make it go better than that .
Great job guys!!!! Any idea on the weight difference between the engines (I mean how much heavier is the M16a)?
No difference. Cut from the same block.
@@OutAboutOffroad Thanks!! If I consider around 110kg (dressed engine) Am I ok? just trying if swapping with a M16a into my 1986 is not too much weight in the front
@@luifercdr not sure on putting in an 86, it's probably a bit heavier but is the 86 block aluminium?
@@OutAboutOffroad Actually my car has a 1986 aluminum block (G13A) engine that is around 65kg - just wondering if the M16a is too much weight or not...
@@luifercdr I wouldn't have thought it was much heavier. I was able to lift it solo into the back of the Jim.
The other alternative and it would be more work would be to replace the 1300 conrods with the 1600 conrods because the only difference in the engines is the stroke. Bore is the same and according to the specs the journals are the same. Can you change pistons without lifting the head? But then the swift head has higher compression. Good job with the second battery by the way.
Wanted the full power from the 1.6. the main difference is the VVTI tone wheel so to try run it with the 1.3 ECU you need the head AND to pull the crank shaft and swap the tone wheel
And nope, can't change the pistons without taking the head off. If you had a 1.3 and didn't want to be sourcing a 1.6, swapping conrods and pistons should be doable.. would be the same as putting a stroker kit through any engine I imagine, but you would have to confirm the compression ratio isn't too far off spec with the 1.3 head to cause problems.
Yep, I seem to have screwed up on that one. Learning is an adventure.
@@gardnep Are you in the middle of swapping conrods and pistons? I just did a quick google for images of the two heads. Just from a visual the valve arrangement and dome design is very similar if not identical. I would be surprised if it didn't work just fine 👍
It is the crankshaft that determines the stroke.
Good descriptive video, when is the updated version coming out?
Soon mate! There's a lot going on in the workshop so things are moving a little slow, but hang tight we've got big things coming :)
Good stuff! Can't wait to see the drive ability reaction video.
Hi Boss
I have my Jimny 98 manual with gb33w (single sohc) engine, what should I replace to swap to m18a,
All engine with transmission
Or just engine? Not transmission.
M18a are made with auto transmission, can this engine mach my manual transmission or I need to find the other transmission?
Ecu and wiring altimately going to be replaced.
Waiting
Thank you very much
I notice you removed the engine with the Torque Converter still attached to the engine instead of unbolting in from the flex plate. When you refitted the new engine, did you slip the TC into the gearbox first and did you have to check/adjust the torque converter backlash at all? Thanks in advance
yup we goofed on that. No need to worry about backlash - the TC just slips onto the input shaft and is keyed into the pump drive sleeve. Depth is set by bolting to the flex plate and we confirmed there was no difference in the crank profile at the rear of the block. Sealing is done by o rings and was easy to fit back onto the transmission, it's a well designed setup which isn't fussy about removal of the TC👌
Hi guys, just picked up a 2015 Swift sports engine for a 2015 Jimny. Lucky I saw this before we started hacking away as I had no idea about the trigger wheel issue.
Was the Haltech upgrade a bolt in job? Was there a base map available to get it running straight away? I’m wondering if it’s worth putting the money in now instead of swapping over the internals. Cheers
Hey Ben no a haltech is definitely not bolt in, but while there's a learning curve for sure any performance shop that does haltechs would find doing one of these a cinch. I think if we had our time over John would do the trigger wheel swap, but you'll need to figure out what to do with the ignition coils because the M13A used wasted spark with one coil per two cylinders. I think just connecting the trigger wires for the pairs of independent coils on the M16A would be okay but make sure to measure the resistance of a pair of coils first, if it's much lower than a single m13 coil it'll burn out the ECU. It can still be done but you'll need to work out a MOSFET circuit to trigger them. Hit me up if you go that way, I can build one for you, or at least put together a design! Tim
Nice work, very helpful in what to expect doing the engine swap, with a longer stroke does that mean power and torque would be produced lower in the rev range?how would affect the gear raitios, the jimny is set up for a higher revving motor thanks for what you are doing, go the turbo
Should just increase torque along the range.
So your 03 jimny isnt VVT, is the 2016 swift engine vvt??? So I guess you got a new ecu? Cheers
I have same questions
2016 jimny, 2014 swift motor.
Hi Guys! I noticed that M16a engine in the Swift is around 15 degrees inclined locking at top cover or oil pan shape (exhaust is lower ). has the Jimny the same configuration or not? just wondering is that can cause a premature damage in the M16a if not installed identically.
Hi guys, love the video! what year of swift sport engine did you use to clarify? I've got a 2016 sport engine ready to go and a 2017 jimny, Is the labour worth it ?
Assuming the new engine meet's John's expectations for power, I'd say yeah it was worth it! We're not done yet, and some things we're doing the hard way to maximise the power increase.
@@OutAboutOffroad Okay thanks, looking forward to another in depth video!
We think yes, if you intend on using Haltech, we found the Suzuki K12 trigger matched with a TDC offset of 447 degrees.
Hi, loved the videos and found it very informative. I've just done the same conversion here in South Wales UK and I'm having some issues. Would I be able to contact you directly for advice?
Sure thing. Contact @the.zookinator on Instagram and I'll help where I can
How did you get the vvt . I won’t to swop my engine but don’t know how to get round it . Can you just fit the ecu straight in. Or change the wiring loom cheers 👍🏻
I believe to get the engine working right with Jimny ECU you need to swap the heads and also pull the crankshaft and swap the VVT timing wheel. We'll be using a haltech.
Hello guys, great work!!! Just wondering how you got that second deep cycle battery to fit in there and what the dimensions are of it. Thanks in advance, Dean
Hey dean, it didn't fit well and even caused on significant electrical short. I've now switched to a 75AH in a piranha second battery tray.
@@OutAboutOffroad could you please send me a link of the tray? Thanks for the reply👍
@@deanioannidis7333 www.piranhaoffroad.com.au/jimny/
@@OutAboutOffroad thanks for the link unfortunately I have a 2010 with ac and abs I don’t think the 2013 battery plate will fit😢
Добрый день! Вам нужно было брать мотор от suzuki zc31s, он бы подошёл лучше к вашей машине.
Этот двигатель идеально подошел. Он врезался прямо внутрь.
Hi Guys, congrats from Brazil.
Can I use all of my M13a parts to build the M16a big block?
I want to make this upgrade, but before I need to make sure if I need to buy any other part beyond the M16a engine.
Think you can swap m13 parts in to the M16A but not sure on the specifics I'm afraid. At least trigger wheels. Will also need oil filter stand pipe.
@@OutAboutOffroad I am still learning on your video, thanks again LoL
Also, I can't see the EGR va
lve on M16A. Doesn't this engine use this valve?
Can you use the Swift ECU ? Instead of the standard jimny one and not change the tonn wheel ?
That's a big question. Possibly, but you'll probably find it won't talk to the dash cluster, and the ABS module, and the transmission computer, etc etc. Might get lucky but that's a lot of wiring to do on a gamble
@@OutAboutOffroad thanks, we are in a hard spot. Done a swap and customer advised a Straight swap and now we are at this point where it’s got no communication with crank signal
That's rough. At least these engines are easy to pull out! Swapping the tone wheel on the crank will be your easiest fix by far
@@OutAboutOffroad is it just the tone wheel or has to be 1.6 block and 1.3 head you mentioned in the video
The 1.3 head has a wasted spark setup and different coils to the 1.6, but you can wire the coils in pairs and it should be okay. Apart from that an intake manifold off a Vitara should get you going. You'll have a few fiddly things like the EGT valve to deal with which the ECU will expect - probably delete that and put a 1K resistor in place of the control solenoid. Can't remember what else there was
Hi Guys,
Great vid and thanks for sharing!
I’m in Melb and have an 07 Jimny VVT that I’m hoping to drop an M16a into but, having trouble finding the right engine.
Is it possible to reach out to you guys directly for a bit more advice?
Thanks legends,
Benny
Hey Ben, will publicly respond as it may help others. With 1.6 engines you have a couple of choices. If you aren't willing/can't afford to change the ECU then you want either an M15A or an M16A (pre 2011) EZ / RS416. These are rare these days as they were in the new defunct Liana and older swift sports. The swift sport 1.6 was to find but have the same trigger wheels as the M13A but I think you still need to swap some other components. The Jimny ECU will run it but not optimally. An M15A is a simpler, more available option as they were also used on Holden Cruze rebadges of Suzuki Ignis. So if you're planning on having someone else do the engine swap work, the M15A is the easiest and closest to the M13A as far as allowing the stock ECU to cope with it properly.
If you're willing to do the ECU and all then an M16A FZ is a good option or an M18A. More torque from the M18A but the M16A FZ is a better engine than the M15A and M16A EZ, performance wise. The M18A will be the easier swap as it's a similar age design where as the FZ is a newer design and more complicated. With the custom ECU we were able to keep the engine in tact and just bolt on all the cross compatible components. You have to be comfortable with wiring for this option and there is a lot more spend in getting the custom ECU setup/tuned etc, but the potential is much greater.
It is possible to swap the trigger wheels, rocker cover etc from an FZ and M13A but it is far and away the harder approach with more risk.
Skip the back grond music!
Did you manage to get the jimny intake manifold on the m16a?
Yes with a 3D printed adapter for the swift sport drive by wire throttle body.
Update on this. Have now swapped it to an M16A Vitara II intake and the suzuki swift fuel rail to improve resource supply.
Lol you guys are crazy! Engines are supposed to stay *in* the car
That's crazy talk, man
@@OutAboutOffroad love the Eastside stuff too. We're racing this weekend! Come down!
Не тот вы двигатель взяли, напдо было брать с Suzuki Aerio M18A брать.
Fuck YT commercials 👍
are you seeing a lot of them on our channel? there should sometimes be a short one at the start and thats it
hell of a lot of work to do for really fuck all gain but mate.
Ah well, enough for me, no need to over-compensate but you do you boo.
big guys in tiny girls cars? Why? 1.6 is still too small. v6
car weighs like 1 ton, more than enough power