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- A partnership between Tesla and KIUC's (Kauaʻi Island Utility Cooperative) -- is vast -- 45 acres of solar panels situated among rolling green hills. Panels dip and rise with the contour of the land, feeding the energy of the sun to a 53MWh array of Tesla Powerpacks -- white boxes filled with batteries. That's more than double that of Tesla's battery Powerpack project in California.
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This was an incredible video! Props to you Engadget!
Your reveals are so informative keep up the good work👌🏽
What is the voltage of the incoming power to the Powerpacks from the solar array?
Don't have the money yet, but will definitely get a powerwall and solar panels. An EV is also one of my goals.
SeijuroRen D's
When you do get the solar panels don't finance them. If you move before you pay it off the new homeowners would have to take it on, which makes it less likely to buy your house. It is best to start with the few you can afford and add on later.
What???!!!
Are you telling me that you can read every new buyer's mind?
Houses that have financed solar panels (NOT leased) in California are in much greater demand than houses that have no solar.
Many house buyers will even pay a margin on the value-add that comes with recently installed solar panels and a home that has close to zero utility bills.
Start doing robberies off banks or some shit
@@shoushikochou well don't Mount the stuff up on the Roof so you can take it with you, what's wrong with that? I did. You want to stay off your roof in the first place. That protects the whole house. Stop breaking the shingles. It's like punching holes in your raincoat.
Great work on the cinematography and storytelling! I got a little lost along the way, but the core of your message is clear. Kaua'i is beautiful! Glad you got to shoot there.
Andrew R k
Ikr. This is the clearest, most concise video I have seen on environmental issues. I like it
It is truly remarkable how storage solutions, either in the home or grid scale, are radically changing the future of our electrical needs...
When installing multiple Powerpacks or Powerwalls, what is the maximum number of each per one inverter? It looks like they may have a maximum of 9 Powerpacks per one inverter in Hawaii on the individual concrete slabs.
What are the maximum voltage and amperage outputs of Tesla's largest car battery (100 kwh), that goes to the motors in The Tesla Model S?
They say that if you cool the PV panels it can double the electricity produced plus provide hot water.
Is the design of the system used in Hawaii, available to other municipalities or the general public? Is it on the internet?
D Mitchell Australia has it
What is the maximum input voltage and amperage that can be input to the Tesla Powerwall and Powerpack?
D Mitchell All specs are on their website
wonderful Hawaii! Use the the solar roof panels and improve greater still...
What is the voltage output from Tesla's Superchargers?
250 kWh
what a bout combining it with wind energy production?
Very well presented the power of energy is moving Hawaii forward
Grid tie is great. Battery back up is a must. Go Magnum.
Good to see Hawaii getting alternative energy instead of fossil fuels, a solar farm with battery this big can do a lot for this island.
Kauai is heaven on earth!
Not a word about compared costs... of course it should become clearer after a few years.
Wow this is so Cool! I wish Tesla could build a Solar+Storage power plant in India! :) India is a sun rich country, this technology would be really welcome!
blue280485 - farmers in India are already producing electricity with solar and battery storage.
A lot of Wave technology is taking place in Scotland. Using the water & currents & high/low tides causing electricity generation. This could quite easily supplement this project. On days of bad weather you would still be generating electricity.
Amazing!
I'm sure the return on the use of the land is many times more than any crop would be worth. Panels can be put anywhere the sun shines. Fertile land use wont be an issue.
if you use graphene coated magnets in the sea you can convert saltwater motion to electricity 24-7. graphene creates electricity from the moving dissolved ions in sea water. this can provide a stable back-up to the solar energy input
A brilliant idea. Perfect the system as soon as possible. (And get very rich indeed).
peter lang Is there a working model available? What is impeding the progress on graphene research given its much touted potentials?
yes there are videos of me showing one operating at salem willows on my youtube. what holds it back is corruption and special intrests
Actually the main reason is that we still can't mass produce graphene... and it's certainly not economically viable to use such large quantities of graphene for power generation... seeing as we can't yet afford to use tiny amounts of graphene in semiconductor manufacturing with chips 1cmx1cm and selling for hundreds of euro a piece.
there is a cheap easy way now using the interface of water and oil to make graphite into graphene. also there is the university of kansas's method using acetylene in a detonation cell (and the russian petrick method for making it from coal)
Can Tesla Powerpacks and Powerwalls be used in a totally off grid site with only a solar farm as its source of energy?
Yes so long as you have an internet connection.
i saw a video where they said in Hawaii that individuals could not sell their power back to the electric company or something i think they said the guy had everything installed but could not turn it on or something like that
Bravo!
Supercapacitors or hydro electric storage dams
Guam could use this too. I know people who have been stationed there and they said electricity is very expensive.
PV cells don't necessarily need a bright sunny day to generate electricity, with the right cells it can generate as much energy on a bright day as on an overcast day, to makeup and shortfalls in battery charging and if there is a fear then it can be supplemented by wind power!
Clean renewable energy production combined with sufficient storage capacity and conventional power plants as a backup for "Biblical Rains" situations and it's done, welcome to the future... one can only hope
A year later Iowa and Nevada getting big batteries, the Tesla Australia Battery was the social media breakthrough.
Like to ad Invenergy LLC. Skeleton Ultra Capacitors.
Physical energy storage seems like it would be cheaper, things like storing the energy in water(pumping it up a hill to run it back down and run turbines to get the energy back) or maybe even thermal storage
Kalvin N I was thinking flywheel storage
UK they going to drop a large weight down a mine shaft. Shouldnt have as much lose as a flywheel. But the water storage is best, just hard to find a good site for it
Its hard to match the millisecond reaction time of a battery system like this. But true, there might be cheaper alternatives when you aren't that picky.
Google "load balancing the grid" batteries have never been needed for millisecond reaction time or any other reason. Battery r often sold as package with sources of electric like PV that r intermittent. Even if alternatives could be better ppl r just to lazy to invest time into long term project vs just wanting fast simple solution of using batteries. So its not an engineering issue it about the psychology of wanting the easier solution.
For load balancing and other predictable things true - but what about abrupt plant or transmission failures? Gas generators take time to come online - batteries do not. Batteries can provide many ancillary services.
Can the Tesla Powerpacks and Powerwalls output 3 phase power?
That would have to do with the install
That would have to do with the inverter
awosome......................
Nice idea and yes it works. . . . But are you considering, are you including the cost of the Batteries. The environmental cost of making the batteries and then replacing them. . .. How long do you think it will be before those batteries need replacing. ? ? ?
Solar panels can last for 50 or more years, quite likely to give better than 50% performance in 100 years time, if they are kept clean and don't get physically damaged in that time.
But Energy Storage is the big problem, the big cost over the years and a potential very big environmental problem.
Well they have a lot of heat there (active vulkan) they can just generate power by using that heat, like they did in the past, it´s almost non depletable constant!! source of power for them.
Basically my Factorio base
I do believe that (flow batteries such as vanadium redox) are a better solution for islands. They last 30 years and have over 100,000 charge-discharge cycles. Temperature is constant over the year on such islands so it is not an issue. The capacity is limited only by size of tanks with liquid. There is practically no self-discharge. Also they don't explode or catch fire.
Lithium batteries have maybe 1000 cycles and are usually rated for 3 years because capacity drops at least 10% every year. They will need constant battery supply from Tesla in order to change every failed battery in the array for years.
The degradation of rechargeable batteries is still not fully understood, but it seems that if you cycle a battery around its 50% SoC within a reasonable margin they tend to live way longer than their assumed 1000-2000 cycles. And from what I read is that the Tesla power packs have 200kWh of the nominal capacity of 100kWh but only use the nominal capacity to prolong the live of the packs.
Flow batteries do have great properties but they aren't nearly as efficient as li-ion is and they can't output a lot of power. More choices is good however.
"usually rated for 3 years because capacity drops at least 10% every year" - nonsense, they are rated in cycles exactly like vanadium redox. Lithium batteries have about 15% better efficiency, a huge difference. Do you believe they made this decision without shopping for batteries first?
a battery is considered "dead" when its max charge is 10% lower than it was when it was made. its not 10% a year
nice helping the world
Don’t add anymore solar panels. Try parabolic solar collectors with a molten salt thermal store and use the system to make steam and generate your own power. A fully renewable 24/7 power station.
Mahalo +Tesla!
How to deal with a 40 day storm, put wind generators!
In the last shot of the video some panels get shadowed by plant leaves. they need goats or something
Elon flamethrower
JB is everywhere
You know, wave power is constant 24hrs/day. And I believe you have plenty of coastline. Why no mention of that?
DDD BBB Too costly and too much maintenance
man California makes it thought right requiring companies to have a certain amount of renewable energy
Seriously, shame on people who dislike this video
disliking the video because of your comment
I dislike this video because solar energy is junk
There are those that believe coating the planet in Lithium-ion batteries is not a good idea. There are also those that think renewable electricity can't make it if it has to pay for batteries too. In a spot like Hawaii (mountains in water) why not go for pumped storage?
Doug Mcdonell Hawaii could use wave's for energy and not change the temperature of anything. They wouldn't need any batteries.
Dennis - change the temperature ?? Wave energy would be a wonderful idea, the only trick is making it work, no one has. And it's still intermittent.
hawaiian islands are best to use geo thermal energy your are covering ground with glass na you dont need to do that
I wanna be part of that community
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Cloudy sky problem should be solve in the future when most of the world convert to Solar. The energy grid will be the same like internet today as they connect between country. Place that didn't get enough sunlight will be feed by those who get clear sky. (from Tony Seba's prediction)
That is not 45 acres of solar. Maybe 10.
The world you the way going forward with the future hopefully some other countries can joining your vision sustainability great message
A great solution when electricity is worth 50 cents per kilowatt hour. I would guess the battery cost is 20 cents per kilowatt hour.
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Waves hit Hawaii 25 hours per day 8 days per week 367 days a year
Leap hour.
I love any conversation about batteries and someone always has a better solution. For now Lithium ion is the best we have, and whaterver we produce will be useful for 25 years; 8-10 years in a vehicle and then 15 years for industry storage. And then it can be recycled. Any technological breakthrough can be pursued and whatever we do today will not be a wasted effort. Unlike the continued laying down of pipeline or coal subsidies which have a 30 year ROI. Why aren't Americans and Europeans investing in battery facrories now and start attacking the crisis.
Lawrence Taylor because change is hard and most people hate to do it sadly
They aren't investing in battery factories because pumped storage is incredibly cheaper and more popular. Setting up stationary power storage to be in competition with supplying batteries for electric cars is not a smart idea.
There is a disconnect between this presented setting and the actual homes with installed solar panels in Hawaii. I should hear and see that this Tesla facility was established so that local solar panel owners can connect and make use of it as repository of captured solar energy. Solar photovoltaic technology should be enjoyed by the people, not just to support electric vehicle manufacturer whose product are expensive and is beyond the reach of ordinary citizen. There are reports in Hawaii that solar panel owners cannot switch on to start their systems to allow uploading of excess energy to the power grid, inactive net metering. In Nevada, the local power grid owner, changed the arrangement so that solar energy installation is discouraged and now the solar panel industry is stalled to dry and die.
7:23 "The important thing to remember is _'that batteries have losses'_" (*)
No, that's not _the_ important thing to remember. This figure is just one among many others that go into the _Levelized Cost of Electricity_ (LCoE). The comparison to fossil fuels and their lossless storage capability is cringeworthy. Who edited this video?
(*) Director of Energy and Sustainable Development at Stanford
He just pointed out one difference between using fossil fuels and batteries as a back up storage method.
If ur to slow to realize why or just need be drama queen. Since he didnt do a detailed study on the different parameters in the few seconds he had to speak, so be it.
A lot of talk about how expensive fossil fuels are yet for some darn reason Oklahoma gets most of its electricity from coal and gas and residents pay 9 cents per kWh. Hawaii with its "cheap" solar and "money-saving" batteries pays 38 cents per kWh. For California its 18 cents per kWh. Basically, don't build solar unless you want to pay more.
Where are the wind turbines? Even small wind turbines will provide energy but it can be 24h/day. I agree that solar panels should be put on existing buildings and use the land for other things. But this is a great video, liked it a lot. Don't think that Europe is going to lead the way, the fossils in the fossil fuels industry and finance do not want to lose money.
small wind turbines r not as cost effective. and what wind turbines runs 24h/day?
lift the solar panels up off the ground do not make the land untenable. make the land usable to live stock or other options. Land is precious, work with nature then we will succeed.
This seems promising but just a thought... Why not geothermal ?
unlike iceland, the islands of hawaii are moving along the plate so in 20 years you would need to relocate the geothermal plant
The islands aren't moving that fast. The Hawaiian island chain has been moving across the hot spot for about 5.6 million years now. The real problem is that the hot spot is only under the big island right now. It's not much help for Kauai.
the risk is too high to implement geothermal plant in hawaii. just not feasible.
Hawaii ranks third among U.S. states in geothermal energy
Will someone please mow the grass under the panels already!?
Did you all know that solar panels can always generate power even on cloudy rainy days.
Michael - Do you know that the power generated on a rainy day is just slightly above zero? I live off-grid in a rain forest, and I do know, solar sucks in the rain.
The way to improve power storage, avoid curtailment, and regain the ability to expand solar energy is simple. We should use the excess power from solar energy to power massive pumps. We'll have water pumped upstream in a reservoir stored as potential energy and convert it back to hydroelectricity using a dam when power is needed. Simple, Eco-friendly, and probably more efficient than any battery in existence. Like if you agree.
Not to mention the most cost-effective.
That's PSH, it's used for more than a century and it's the most common method of power storage. You are wrong about the efficiency though. There are many more efficient methods, including Tesla's Li-Ion.
The problem with pumped hydro is that it needs a huge amount of water and a a place to store it. Batteries work anywhere.
lol wtf why not just save that energy instead and get even more solar panels...that's a super loss of money, energy and efficiency.
Agreed, hydro power storage of energy is a great alternative. But there is very little incentives to do it. Tesla received 4.9 billion from the US govt. money. But electric rate in most places r not based on Demand and Supply rates r the same thru out the day, so there is no economic incentives or market to fund this project. That why we have these less eco friendly and costly batteries than this far better solution.
why don't human build connected solar power grid across the world ... that will mitigate all issues related with renewables... and you have to worry less about storage
I love this tech but went a Cat 5 HURRICANE hit you the panel will end up in Japan!
tell that to Fukushima
Yep. I was there during hurricane Iniki. It ripped apart most of that island. Those panels and batteries will be toast. Then what? Back to good ole reliable fossil fuels.
Are batteries made of renewable resources?
Yes, google recycling
Why don't they use geothermal energy?
they do use geothermal energy, y didnt u just google it? But not on that part of archipelago, (U can google y)
Google OTEC (Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion) It;s not geothermal in the sense of drilling into the earth but it is thermal energy conversion as the name would suggest. It has been going on for decades on the island of Hawai'i.
OTEC is irrelevant to his question. Go Google bloviating...
@N C -- Really??? That's your meaningful contribution to this conversation?
Ok, thx Mr Google who cant stay on topics or correctly state the facts. Ur contribution was so meaningful. lol
Are you kidding, they have accessible geothermal activity (volcanoes) and a ton of water to use.... Use Geothermal!!!
Solar should ONLY be on house or green house, not on vacant land. My new engine can sun on solar thermal and fuels as well as battery for mobile applications. These batteries could be useful, but not needed. Can get 80-95% of fuel gone. There is a better way.
seaplaneguy wtf you talking about
sorry. large scale don't make sense.... no real savings in power or the master dollar. this needs to happen at the home personal level.
Cleaning all of them looks like a pain in the ass
why not use nikel iron batteries. theses batteries have a life span of 50 or more years
Nun Urbuisness
I like that idea but I purchased 24 1.2v nife 1200ah cells.....it's a constant challenge to keep these batteries charged.....they have a "weird" behavior....plus they cost 8400 for the set not cheap.....and they were very heavy
so they cost more up front it sounds like. I think they make alot more sense I really do. as people we need to think long term
Y not use a caes system cheaper and longer lasting
+ibezag0, Willing to sell them to me? I don't mind heavy. I'd be willing to pick up with a day's drive of West Virginia.
Because they are shit and don’t work most of the time
This is the smartest thing Elon musk has done since flamethrowers
This is really cool! It would be EVEN COOLER for Tesla to figure out how to manufacture batteries without destroying the planet. I think Elon is up to the task though.
How about hydrogen fuel cell technology? See Bloom Energy. Small foot print, no need of battery storage.
The problem with hydrogen is the cost is actually higher than solar power with battery storage. Solar and wind will provide all the power needed by the customers.
The real problem is the Hawaii power utility was recently sold to the largest power utility in Florida which has a history of not allowing customers to have solar or wind generators. And those that do they continually raise the rates and fees they pay to make them buy from the utility only.
Shirt alert!
Pretty cool.
It is also very sad to see land getting covered with silicon, copper and aluminum. Progress in my world is that space getting covered in jungle.
Why not make floating solar farms like China? Or do OTEC out at sea there. Hawaii is perfect for that kind of technology. It leaves the land to regrow as well.
or just put them on tops of building???
raise up those solar panels and put some crops under there! make even more money from the same land
And those crops... will use.. what light?
This is a misuse of tesla's name.
Tesla's power distributing idea what's wireless through the air and the power was harnessed some aquifers in the ground.
Can someobody help me start a Solar/Renewable Energy Cooperative here in the Philippines? We're a third world country. For 1st world countries it is more of an issue of convenience and the environment. With countries like ours it's more of an issue of "survival". Lower electricity costs here will lead to lower prices for education, health care, food, transportation. The list can go on. One of the greatest things the first world can do to help us is bring the low price of electricity and the long term help it will give countries like ours.
ConceptWiseAsia CWA TV Look out for these two immediate technologies. Any room temperature super capacitor (a super battery that has no electrical resistance) and a working fusion reactor. Also once 50+ percent efficient solar cells become mainstream older cells will be dirt cheap.
How long do these panels last - 10 years? 20?. Anyone realise how much mining goes into producing these panels. These things are laden with toxic chemicals. Do they go in land fill when they wear out? How much are people saving on their bills in Hawaii. Notice he didn’t actually say. Up to 12% on rooftop panels and too many problems for the grid to deal with them. Yet they build a 40 acre solar farm?
another reason to keep TSLA for long.
Who is taking these people seriously with flowers necklaces
30 years later they'll die out so make enough profit fast enough to rebuy those solar panels again... if there are 10 cloudy days tell the people to chill also keep a 30 days electrical emergency power source
roy quinones Clouds don’t affect solar production
Well, storing renewable energy with Li-Ion batteries is definitely not the way to go. CAES more likely as it is extremely simple and the technology is already there.
Battery is good idea but get your energy from the oceans. I know how Elon look me up.
How are chemtrails effecting solar panels?
Michael Benoit Not at all
Why don't Americans wake up to COMMON SENCE??? Maybe GMO'S effects. Our younger generation is our HOPE. So go for it you truly are loved and care for. Maybe GMO'S has something to do with how we act?? Many of us, want to support you, give us a chance. You are the future.
What's wrong with GMOs?
@@terezip2213 do some fact finding on the internet. Read for your self. The truth shall set you free.
@@chazgurrero3090 I have read many scholarly articles. Most point towards GMOs being a force for good for humanity, and there doesn't seem to be any inherent dangers to GMOs. Can you provide some peer reviewed scientific papers to go against this and send them to me?
@@terezip2213 I refer you to Gary Null. And Further more I have tested. GMO food verses organic diet, for 5 and a half months riding 66 miles per day 6 days per week. So I have first hand knowlege. Will you show your exact refferances, and have you sampled the differance?Thank you.
@@chazgurrero3090 "Gary Michael Null is an American talk radio host and author who advocates for pseudoscientific alternative medicine and produces a line of questionable dietary supplements."
Chaz... honey... I don't know what to tell you...
If you're referring me to an "alternative medicine" shill then there is no hope that I am going to be able to communicate you. Think SETI and how we've failed to find traces of much more advanced civilizations. They probably use much more advanced communication technologies that we are not able to detect. Similar to you and your band of anti-vaccine/GMO/general science friends and most actual scientists.
Good day sir.
Omg hopefully hawaii will be the only zombie proof place...Omg I hope only I know that
get the Edison cell's
Superior technology for right now.
Get a Molten salt Thorium base load nuclear power grid
Vote for a Republican an live in your past.
Republicans have a time machine to the past and Democrats will take us to fairyland, So wtf does it have to do with post troll?
This project was a waist of money. It's called an Edison battery. Invented over 50 years ago. No new technology here actually actually going backwards. Educate yourselves people that's the only way.
There are 100's of ways to Generate electricity...Unfortunately there is only 1 storage medium which gives you portablity, mass, yet is capable of huge charges and 20,000 discharges before reaching 85%...Unfortunately it is not Elon's Li-Cobalt-Manganese! I give him credit, but his whole goal is max c rate at minimum weight...He is lost in his own fantasy, sorry!
This is all great but Trump hates this stuff so I don't see it gaining much traction sadly.
He does not hate it he hates media scare mongering about climate change. If becomes cheaper than coal and oil as business man he will change.
The media isn't "scare mongering" about climate change. They're reporting the FACTS that everyone needs to accept, especially in light of the fact that the cheeto in chief thinks its a hoax created by the Chinese. In the next 10 years, many cities around the world will be flooded and that's not an exaggeration. Average global temperatures are rising and rising rapidly. The worst part? Unless we start sequestering carbon dioxide and methane on a large scale and do it quickly (we're not even close to that sort of technology) things will keep getting worse. We're too late. Even if the entire world stopped producing all greenhouse gases tomorrow, it wouldn't stop current climate change trends.
Trump is into coal and oil because all of his cronies are and he wants to help make them (and himself) richer. He approved the keystone XL pipeline because he owns a ton of stock in the construction company that is building it. Trump doesn't care about creating jobs or he'd realize that the renewable energy industry produces more jobs than any other. He's all about this imaginary "clean coal" garbage and is concerned that wind turbines kill too many bald eagles.
Long after Trump and oil, we'll still need electricity. Hawaii is ideal for testing and perfecting solar energy collection and storage. Other area will prefer geothermal and/or wind power. So be it, as the entire world needs what little oil is left for more important things than mere burning! So delay the inevitable, and make renewables as efficient and reliable now, before the choice goes.
Sustentable are unstoppable now, stuff like india 2030 all cars electric, are happening all over.
Mete Tuncay last time I checked it's not the federal government's job to build solar panels. If you want to build them than do it yourself. Or if the state government wants to build it than they can build it.
The federal government has a specific set of duties defined by the Constitution. Building solar panels is not on the list. Sorry.