102-year-old Oakland man ordered to clean graffiti or face fines

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  • čas přidán 19. 03. 2024
  • Wheelchair user, Oakland-born, 102-year-old, Victor Silva, Sr. often finds graffiti painted onto the back fence of his Oakland home. Earlier this month, he got a violation citation from the City of Oakland to remove it by Tuesday the 19th or face an $1100 fine, plus an additional $1277 for each failed re-inspection.
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Komentáře • 7K

  • @unploog
    @unploog Před 2 měsíci +8112

    Oakland doesn't punish criminals, only law abiding citizens.

  • @longbeach225
    @longbeach225 Před 2 měsíci +8057

    How about arresting the criminals and make them clean it!

    • @JOHN_F_KENNEDY_DADDY
      @JOHN_F_KENNEDY_DADDY Před 2 měsíci +256

      Black peoples

    • @GKP999
      @GKP999 Před 2 měsíci +190

      And make them pay for the supplies for the clean up and repainting!

    • @billmoran3219
      @billmoran3219 Před 2 měsíci +52

      That would be s lave l abor

    • @nuhrii3449
      @nuhrii3449 Před 2 měsíci +64

      @@billmoran3219 its legal, its in the 13th amendment

    • @GKP999
      @GKP999 Před 2 měsíci +45

      @@billmoran3219 What about the work to clean up the mess? Whose responsibility is it? Do you want to donate your time and energy to be the good Samaritan?

  • @jcalli66
    @jcalli66 Před 2 měsíci +629

    Absolutely disgusting. Making an innocent citizen that’s 102 years old do the work that a criminal being sentenced did. God bless that man for being happy through all of it.

    • @milehightim1192
      @milehightim1192 Před měsícem +4

      Who ever said the criminal was sentenced or even arreated?

    • @thomaswilson8634
      @thomaswilson8634 Před měsícem

      Well thats communists democrats for ya

    • @kdizzle901
      @kdizzle901 Před měsícem +2

      A man who’s paid tax for 80 years

    • @AnonymousDumboOctopus
      @AnonymousDumboOctopus Před měsícem +2

      I wouldn't even bother doing it if I were him. He's literally at the end of his life, who cares what the city says at that point

    • @utubestalkerdotcom
      @utubestalkerdotcom Před měsícem

      Surprised if it's continuously targeted, they should put a surveillance camera on it

  • @kellylingus
    @kellylingus Před 2 měsíci +238

    "I'll be 103 soon, gotta slow down a little bit". Victor is the man

    • @TheDylls
      @TheDylls Před měsícem

      Victor is gonna outlive half of the dickheads who have him the fine! 😂❤

    • @azazellon
      @azazellon Před měsícem +4

      "it's easy, cuz I was a contractor...I'm gonna be 103 in two months, gotta slow it up a bit"
      I love Victor and I hope he's still doing well.

    • @illpunchyouintheface9094
      @illpunchyouintheface9094 Před 21 dnem

      This is why victor has lived to 102, he doesn’t slow down

    • @Kim-Berly200
      @Kim-Berly200 Před 14 dny

      😅😅

    • @eugenePerryMB
      @eugenePerryMB Před 3 dny

      He said, "Keep breathing and behave yourself". Fkn wise words.

  • @Ay-B
    @Ay-B Před 2 měsíci +3510

    🤬🤬🤬 They won't tow cars or arrest criminals - but they want to fine a 102-year-old man?

  • @miralomagal
    @miralomagal Před 2 měsíci +3003

    This man's tax dollars put to work, against him! Oakland, you should be ashamed!

    • @Exposingyou
      @Exposingyou Před 2 měsíci +79

      Taxation WITHOUT representation

    • @jimmunro4649
      @jimmunro4649 Před 2 měsíci +42

      They WOKE they don't care on power trips

    • @gillyhalf4704
      @gillyhalf4704 Před 2 měsíci +17

      not surprising

    • @stf5876
      @stf5876 Před 2 měsíci +21

      This man needs a tax refund.

    • @danerickson1632
      @danerickson1632 Před 2 měsíci +27

      Oakland like Seattle you get what you vote for, keep checking the D box 😅😂

  • @Confused_Philosopher
    @Confused_Philosopher Před měsícem +150

    A victim of a crime is then victimized by the city for being a victim of a crime.

    • @PatrickArcato
      @PatrickArcato Před měsícem

      That's what he gets for being white 😂

    • @creative2716
      @creative2716 Před 17 dny

      True, he needs to file police reports each occurrence and demand a crime victim's advocate to fight for his rights. Make the city do it's own work!
      Also, white is a blank target to taggers. Try BLACK or POOP BROWN...

    • @TheObeyMayhem
      @TheObeyMayhem Před 7 dny +1

      Yea, they got to hit you with the double whammy or they aren't doing their due diligence.

    • @AdamAddictL
      @AdamAddictL Před 4 dny

      @@TheObeyMayhem”well we can’t find the REAL criminals….but YOU’RE here,we’re making it YOUR problem” - Cops,probably

    • @europa
      @europa Před dnem +1

      Thats government
      Taxation = theft

  • @LoganTheLogMan
    @LoganTheLogMan Před 2 měsíci +173

    "Keep breathing and, you know, behave yourself."
    That's one hell of a great quote. I'm writing that one down.

  • @WeThePeeps1
    @WeThePeeps1 Před 2 měsíci +1716

    Whoever ordered that citation should be SACKED....
    the man's paid his dues, he's committed no crime. He should not be punished.

    • @NLINE7
      @NLINE7 Před 2 měsíci +66

      I bet you the citation would still be expected to be paid if this wouldn't of made the news.

    • @WeThePeeps1
      @WeThePeeps1 Před 2 měsíci

      @@NLINE7
      You're RIGHT. We gotta take everything to the streets nowadays, that's the only way forward. Gov officials are crooked AF.

    • @scray00
      @scray00 Před 2 měsíci +61

      Used to have respect for our elderly people. Town probably want to seize his property!! That’s the democrat way after all.

    • @Bestoftherest222
      @Bestoftherest222 Před 2 měsíci

      The city inspector was sent by some one, I doubt that inspector wanted to issue a citation. I bet some hire up city officials wife was mad about seeing her name "Call XXXX for a good time" after she cucked her husband.

    • @yourlifeisagreatstory
      @yourlifeisagreatstory Před 2 měsíci +19

      I wonder what would happen if they put a sign by the wall that said “I’m over 100yrs old, in a wheelchair, and have to clean up the paint. Please destroy the city property.” I wonder if that would strike a heartstring on the kids doing this…

  • @West_Coast
    @West_Coast Před 2 měsíci +143

    This is despicable. The city workers are shameless and corrupt.

    • @brandonknight431
      @brandonknight431 Před 2 měsíci

      Yep, liberal state. So California is a joke now

    • @jesuspunk84
      @jesuspunk84 Před měsícem

      I woould agree with you about it being shameless and stupid... but corrupt? Do you have any tips on the inspector getting money from someone else to specificaly go out of is way to target that guy? You understand what is corruption is that just a term you throw around? And just to be clear that inspector and the city are dumb for enforcing such regulation, but that often come down to NIMBY mentality of sterile environement for ''their own precious property value to keep increasing at all cost''. Blame sutck up people that see property as an investement instead of place to live. They are the ones that lobby to pass those stupid regulations.

  • @amaliarr32
    @amaliarr32 Před 2 měsíci +90

    103 his beautiful attitude has kept him young

  • @cbofresh861
    @cbofresh861 Před 2 měsíci +892

    Time for the people to sue the City of Oakland for the neglect!

    • @theoryofpersonality1420
      @theoryofpersonality1420 Před 2 měsíci +15

      It's called nonfesance in office and misfeasance in office

    • @richardharepax123
      @richardharepax123 Před 2 měsíci +23

      And elder abuse by trying to fine him over and over

    • @aetius7139
      @aetius7139 Před 2 měsíci

      Theres already calls to impeach the mayor. Though very likely, it wont change anything. They just replace her with another puppet.....

    • @americansfirst1095
      @americansfirst1095 Před 2 měsíci +15

      Its past time to pay our elected employees a visit......at their residence.

    • @Subgunman
      @Subgunman Před 2 měsíci

      @@americansfirst1095yup, graffiti in the max by the bucket full of paint in contrasting colors. I bet they will have the police out looking for the perps. As for the police, they should just sit in the station house. It’s only a politician, who cares.

  • @thelostone6981
    @thelostone6981 Před 2 měsíci +2195

    So the 102 year old man was a victim of a crime and it’s his responsibility to fix it or the city will hold him responsible?!? How is that logical on any level?

    • @lisab.1595
      @lisab.1595 Před 2 měsíci +195

      Logic and common sense left this country a long time ago.

    • @Mike-01234
      @Mike-01234 Před 2 měsíci +26

      Yeah clean up your own property they should go after them and arrest who did it but can't just leave it.

    • @thomasschwarting5108
      @thomasschwarting5108 Před 2 měsíci +24

      The only "logic" I can see is, it would too much sense to do the right thing, so their "logic" is they do what doesn't make sense!

    • @DerekWhite-yx2ce
      @DerekWhite-yx2ce Před 2 měsíci

      They're communist. Trying to destroy law abiding citizens and the middle class.

    • @TarsonTalon
      @TarsonTalon Před 2 měsíci +29

      It's perfectly logical, it's just also monsterous. Why spend money on cleaning an old man's house, when you can instead force them to paint it themself or add to the city coffers? He's an old man, so what can he do about it? They also know the people who feign outrage are the first to jump to their defense if anybody wants to actually hold them accountable.
      😑

  • @DaniMacYo
    @DaniMacYo Před 2 měsíci +29

    Him at 102 is remarkable how well he can communicate and still remember his hey days. Bless him. A big F you to those imposing fines and to those low lives who will probably never amount to anything good in this world.

  • @kygal
    @kygal Před 2 měsíci +46

    He speaks so clearly and seems good cognitively for someone who’s 102!

    • @thommysides4616
      @thommysides4616 Před 2 měsíci +4

      They should elect him as the next Mayor of the city. He's earned it!!!

    • @opossom1968
      @opossom1968 Před měsícem

      More mentally capable then Biden for sure.

    • @Digitize49
      @Digitize49 Před měsícem +1

      President.

    • @rogerfaint499
      @rogerfaint499 Před měsícem +1

      He's putting that Genocide Joe to shame . . .

  • @cardinalstar2048
    @cardinalstar2048 Před 2 měsíci +791

    Frightening when the city is cherry picking certain residents for monetary shake down

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu Před 2 měsíci

      Yup, white people are being persecuted at an alarming rate for things they aren't doing... Don't give up your firearms. The second amendment is our last bastion of hope for when things get worse.

    • @user-yp9nz6bs9q
      @user-yp9nz6bs9q Před 2 měsíci +2

      How much is this guy worth?

    • @gilwood7530
      @gilwood7530 Před 2 měsíci

      @@user-yp9nz6bs9qHis properties are worth a screaming fortune

    • @ian5780
      @ian5780 Před 2 měsíci +36

      It's rqcialy targeted. Look at oaklands city council

    • @TrashcanTroubadour
      @TrashcanTroubadour Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@user-yp9nz6bs9q do you think everybody who lives there is rich? Oakland was kind of dumpy for a long time, and even the nicer neighborhoods were basically just middle class. I’d say having been there for 80 years, he probably just bought his house when it was a regular working class neighborhood and the only way he’s getting any money out of it now is to sell it.

  • @mariobecerra9030
    @mariobecerra9030 Před 2 měsíci +1069

    Oakland should be ashamed of themselves for harassing this old man and not doing anything about the homeless problem.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat Před 2 měsíci +21

      Nope. The mayor is cool with it. 💪😎✌️ That's just how Oak-town rolls. Everything in its proper place.

    • @vf5536
      @vf5536 Před 2 měsíci +7

      @@Novastar.SaberCombatWhere can I donate please?

    • @Look_What_You_Did
      @Look_What_You_Did Před 2 měsíci

      And how the f would they know such a detail? You should be ashamed for being that dumb.

    • @yvonnephillips3888
      @yvonnephillips3888 Před 2 měsíci +23

      Most homeless are there by choice, alcohol, mostly drugs. Their choice. Most, not all.

    • @Yussef415
      @Yussef415 Před 2 měsíci +13

      The neighbors for reported it. They know he’s old, but they don’t care.

  • @auggie5097
    @auggie5097 Před 2 měsíci +12

    imagine being on hold for 911, thats insane.

    • @Faceplay2
      @Faceplay2 Před měsícem +2

      I hate to say it, but that happens in most major cities are used to be a police officer. I’m now a private investigator. I do a lot of work with unseen, accident, investigations, and majority of time we’re on hold for police.
      It happens in Vegas happens in LA happens in Phoenix. Arizona happens in Tempe basically happens anywhere that’s not the middle of nowhere or isn’t the suburbs.

  • @Khmerstreets
    @Khmerstreets Před měsícem +4

    This family had great genetics! 102yrs and 70yrs they look great!

    • @Anubis424242
      @Anubis424242 Před 5 dny +1

      The 70 year old guy doesn't look 70 to me. 50-60 maybe.

  • @PrettyBlkSense
    @PrettyBlkSense Před 2 měsíci +960

    Whoever told a 102yr old man to clean graffiti need to go to jail!

  • @123ElectricMonkey
    @123ElectricMonkey Před 2 měsíci +547

    “I’l be 103 in 2 months so I’ve slowed down a little” is ALMOST as good a line as “this utility box has 6 types of graffiti. Did the utility company get a summons?”

    • @chaseroush6503
      @chaseroush6503 Před 2 měsíci +4

      It all depends. Is the utility box owned or operated by the city? Is there a codicil in the contract regarding upkeep and maintenance? The bureaucratic wheels grind very slowly.

    • @jasonbaxter1608
      @jasonbaxter1608 Před 2 měsíci +11

      Also, Reporter: "How does one live to 102?"
      Old timer: "Very easy, just keep breathing"

    • @ellbow7287
      @ellbow7287 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@chaseroush6503I bet your a city employee of the management kind.👎👎👎

  • @tjafloyd
    @tjafloyd Před 2 měsíci +5

    They intentionally targeted him because of his age they thought that he wouldn't be able to fix it so they would have more more or get his house.

  • @IxXDOMINATORXxI
    @IxXDOMINATORXxI Před 2 měsíci +8

    Good on you guys for putting this story out there and forcing the city of this mans back.

  • @mugen3603
    @mugen3603 Před 2 měsíci +1019

    So he's been living there, paying taxes for 80 years. Law enforcement does absolutely nothing to protect him and his property. But the city will be happy to fine and punish him for failing to cover up the crimes that THEY failed to prevent. Nice. Very nice.

    • @christinebuckingham8369
      @christinebuckingham8369 Před 2 měsíci +15

      👍💯💯💯😥

    • @OGr8JusJas
      @OGr8JusJas Před 2 měsíci +19

      Nicely put, sad it's all facts!

    • @Wasqah213
      @Wasqah213 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Umm how is that law enforcements fault? They can’t be everywhere at once. You realize people do mischief when no one is looking right? People that can possibly write up citations for this would be the city inspectors or public works.

    • @bonnieparkertheoutlaw7353
      @bonnieparkertheoutlaw7353 Před 2 měsíci +23

      This pissed me off fr. He and his son should sue the city

    • @Angel-zk5gi
      @Angel-zk5gi Před 2 měsíci

      Because people want to blame anyone besides the criminals ​@@Wasqah213

  • @XXtheJUMPoffXX
    @XXtheJUMPoffXX Před 2 měsíci +518

    This is truly pathetic of Oakland to target this old man yet let real criminals run rampant everyday

    • @user-yp9nz6bs9q
      @user-yp9nz6bs9q Před 2 měsíci

      How much is he worth?

    • @rickybrown7687
      @rickybrown7687 Před 2 měsíci +7

      I wish that I had known bc I would’ve helped this man! The law loves to bully citizens! At this rate the only people that will respect them are the criminals. They never harass them!

    • @billsherwin1705
      @billsherwin1705 Před 2 měsíci

      The Oakland government is two-faced.

    • @lisab.1595
      @lisab.1595 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Pathetic is an understatement.

    • @cherylclick1664
      @cherylclick1664 Před 2 měsíci

      exactly

  • @Omnihilo
    @Omnihilo Před 2 měsíci +3

    I know this is so off-topic but he looks absolutely incredible for 102.

  • @br2266
    @br2266 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Ah yes the ol “have a news station contact you, suddenly guy doesn’t feel so bold to take advantage of an old man” tactic.

  • @latinwaterpoloperez
    @latinwaterpoloperez Před 2 měsíci +2146

    The Mayor needs to go! She is a joke!

    • @1039cash
      @1039cash Před 2 měsíci

      She is shameful. Mayor is just the start of the woke problem.

    • @jcwick0859
      @jcwick0859 Před 2 měsíci +63

      newsome too!

    • @Baebon6259
      @Baebon6259 Před 2 měsíci +60

      and DA Price as well.

    • @yolyprog2561
      @yolyprog2561 Před 2 měsíci +8

      Exactly my thought

    • @emilioaymat5651
      @emilioaymat5651 Před 2 měsíci +15

      People that accept being governed and ruled NEED TO GO!! 🏴🏴

  • @undiscloseduser2004
    @undiscloseduser2004 Před 2 měsíci +506

    Absolutely shameful; I'd sue the city for emotional distress if I were his family.

    • @zigmogcreator
      @zigmogcreator Před 2 měsíci +10

      The family is too kind and considerate so they wont sue.

    • @rayl3103
      @rayl3103 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@zigmogcreator It would go nowhere.

    • @jaminova_1969
      @jaminova_1969 Před 2 měsíci +8

      It's harassment!

    • @710grabtherig
      @710grabtherig Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@zigmogcreator plus it would cost as much as the fine if not more for a lawyer to sue

    • @user-vh9hs4qe7r
      @user-vh9hs4qe7r Před 2 měsíci

      Remember talk is cheap and they pass lost to protect themselves so you can’t sue them and they’re probably the people that live in that city

  • @TOMVUTHEPIMP
    @TOMVUTHEPIMP Před 2 měsíci +2054

    He looks damn good for 102.

    • @bodybuilderslave7125
      @bodybuilderslave7125 Před 2 měsíci +169

      He's in alot better shape than joe b.

    • @sunnykobe3210
      @sunnykobe3210 Před 2 měsíci

      @@bodybuilderslave7125living rent free 🤦🏽👍🏽

    • @rickwhitman6435
      @rickwhitman6435 Před 2 měsíci +140

      He looks better then Biden.more coherent as well.

    • @seeharvester
      @seeharvester Před 2 měsíci

      @@rickwhitman6435
      Everybody looks better than Biden. Even Methuselah.

    • @drquinnmedicinewoman7786
      @drquinnmedicinewoman7786 Před 2 měsíci +1

      i want to sleep with him and share a double whopper with cheese after we make whoopi!

  • @michaeldaugherty6826
    @michaeldaugherty6826 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Put the agents threatening this man in jail.

  • @dinavincelli1804
    @dinavincelli1804 Před 2 měsíci +2

    For crying out loud. This poor man. God be with you love. 💕

  • @fabulousfabricationsimmacu4962
    @fabulousfabricationsimmacu4962 Před 2 měsíci +319

    He’s payed property tax for 80 years I think he deserves a break and the city should paint it for free

    • @tommitchell8425
      @tommitchell8425 Před 2 měsíci +6

      They will raise his taxes

    • @HobbyOrganist
      @HobbyOrganist Před 2 měsíci +25

      The insanity is a friend who lives in Hungary told me that there you buy your house you pay a one time tax, and thats IT, you never pay anything more. She has a house, fields, 3 horses and a kennel of dogs there,

    • @kyleshockley1573
      @kyleshockley1573 Před 2 měsíci

      @@HobbyOrganist Yeah well, Hungarians weren't afraid to take up arms against Soviet invaders. "Russians go home!" Metropolitan Americans would probably prevaricate over how the New Soviet Overlords were simply decolonizing us with the help of socially-conscious tanks and armed troops.

    • @ravikiran4495
      @ravikiran4495 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@HobbyOrganistdammmm sounds like a plan if you ask me

    • @davidjacobs8558
      @davidjacobs8558 Před 2 měsíci

      ha ha, the property tax is paid to the County, not the City.

  • @hawkfeather6802
    @hawkfeather6802 Před 2 měsíci +685

    They literally fined the old man who's fence got vandalized? That's ridiculous 😤

    • @sneakymole
      @sneakymole Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@Maddenmvp_yt Because it is. No even the majority of black people commit crimes, and white people or people of any race is capable of committing them. Race doesn't define a persons character. There are just as much bad black people as white people. The crime rate being high for black people is that black people are poorer, iirc 70% of their households are fatherless and so on. It's a cultural economical problem not about race. If white people grew up in the situation black people in general in this country grow up in they'd be in the same hole

    • @sneakymole
      @sneakymole Před 2 měsíci

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      @sneakymole Před 2 měsíci

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      @sneakymole Před 2 měsíci

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      @DedesFewscres Před 2 měsíci +8

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  • @Alexis-ey4kp
    @Alexis-ey4kp Před 2 měsíci +1

    What a precious man, wish I could tell him how amazing he is! Take care ❤

  • @Oceanside2023
    @Oceanside2023 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is one story that I’m glad the news covered! 😢❤😊

  • @VolcanoKing-dj5px
    @VolcanoKing-dj5px Před 2 měsíci +281

    The worthless city of Oakland officials let criminals do whatever they want but they threaten this man with steep fines..sickening.

    • @CrimsonEclipse
      @CrimsonEclipse Před 2 měsíci +25

      Because they are cowards and bullies and found it easier to shake down law abiding citizens like this old man because they can't profit from actual criminal who avoid paying their fines.

    • @lisab.1595
      @lisab.1595 Před 2 měsíci +6

      I'm surprised they didn't confiscate his home. So pathetic, it's beyond words.

    • @kathyyoung1774
      @kathyyoung1774 Před 2 měsíci

      I’m betting they are all Democrats.

  • @EnchantedSmellyWolf
    @EnchantedSmellyWolf Před 2 měsíci +342

    Punishing a old man who didn't do it is an act of coward for not targeting those that committed graffiti. Smh.

  • @jballaviator
    @jballaviator Před 2 měsíci +2

    Keep voting for the same thing Cali... You're an inspiration.

  • @HENRY-tm4fz
    @HENRY-tm4fz Před měsícem

    Thank You For Sharing 🇺🇸

  • @tassiegirl1991
    @tassiegirl1991 Před 2 měsíci +221

    He didn’t graffiti his fence, it’s a criminal offence . The city of Oakland should clean it themselves irrespective of any home owners age.

  • @Kitkat-wu3ow
    @Kitkat-wu3ow Před 2 měsíci +313

    If the city cant arrest the vandals....the city needs to pay for the repair.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat Před 2 měsíci +14

      Nope. The mayor wants to collect fines from law-abiding citizens. That way, whatever the crim-crimz do will be paid for and taken care of by others instead of inconveniencing her.

    • @markdsm-5157
      @markdsm-5157 Před 2 měsíci +12

      correction: won't.. not can't. it's a conscious decision what they're doing.

    • @AwesomeAlenYay
      @AwesomeAlenYay Před 2 měsíci +4

      Totally agree

    • @junglesuperstar9270
      @junglesuperstar9270 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Novastar.SaberCombatsounds like the city hires criminals to paint grafutti

    • @denickite
      @denickite Před 2 měsíci

      Excellentcomment! Makes sense to me.

  • @GingerAnne
    @GingerAnne Před 2 měsíci +1

    The strongest generation. Such kindness in him. He doesn't even complain. He just says.. "It's easy, I used to be a contractor." What a good soul. Every generation after him is nothing in comparison to this generation we are losing. My grandma is 94, and she is just like Him. And so isn't her sisters and brothers. They were all like this. They raised me, so I follow in their footsteps. I would kindly paint that man's fence. And the criminals need to be punished. I am an artist, and that crap isn't art. Unwanted and ugly graffiti needs to be heavily criminalized. It makes entire cities look like trash. There is creative and artful graffiti. But gang and destructive graffiti is shameful.

  • @europa
    @europa Před dnem +1

    Graffiti should be a felony, vigilante justice

  • @Himmiefan
    @Himmiefan Před 2 měsíci +284

    They guy's 102. The city needs to come out and clean it for free.

    • @fyiaustralia9686
      @fyiaustralia9686 Před 2 měsíci +32

      Give the council "inspector" a tin of paint when he comes out to inspect the graffiti removal. Make city council officials more useful.

    • @richardlee653
      @richardlee653 Před 2 měsíci +9

      Be even better if they spent some money on policing to discourage vandalism.

    • @JB1052
      @JB1052 Před měsícem

      All those years of him paying his taxes. The city should come out and cover up the graffiti for free.

  • @julianzuniga8905
    @julianzuniga8905 Před 2 měsíci +594

    imagine paying 40% of your own hard owned money to taxes and the state launders it all instead of fixing, maintaining, and policing the city

    • @eatnplaytoday
      @eatnplaytoday Před 2 měsíci

      Government is corrupted

    • @genericamerican7574
      @genericamerican7574 Před 2 měsíci +6

      I can tell you don’t pay taxes.

    • @janitorizamped
      @janitorizamped Před 2 měsíci +18

      ​@@genericamerican7574lol?

    • @MarcassCarcass
      @MarcassCarcass Před 2 měsíci +10

      In Florida, they're militarized against the disabled, left me spitting and pissing blood when they were supposed to be providing legal and medical services.

    • @WeThePeeps1
      @WeThePeeps1 Před 2 měsíci +9

      And then, FINES YOU for others' vandalism.

  • @raz4371
    @raz4371 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is why we as a community need to stand up and offer to do it for him.

  • @melissam64
    @melissam64 Před měsícem

    Oh my gosh image still having your dad in your 70s, I lost mine at 21 years old, this would have been a real blessing to me

  • @vm6418
    @vm6418 Před 2 měsíci +369

    You do not harass a 102 year old gentleman that is not a good idea.

    • @BigJFindAWay
      @BigJFindAWay Před 2 měsíci +13

      Especially when you consider he’s of the Greatest Generation.

    • @littlebrookreader949
      @littlebrookreader949 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Good ideas only proceed from minds and hearts that think good thoughts and have decent feelings.

    • @kbooth249
      @kbooth249 Před 2 měsíci

      @@BigJFindAWay isn’t it sad that he has to see what he risked his life fighting for the shit hole it’s becoming. Most die a bit younger so are spared of that. History repeats itself.

    • @gutwallst6645
      @gutwallst6645 Před 2 měsíci

      White people need to live amongst themselves

    • @BigJFindAWay
      @BigJFindAWay Před 2 měsíci

      @@kbooth249 What makes it worse is that there actually are a lot more of the GI (Greatest) Generation still alive than you could possibly imagine. You wouldnt think so because to be part of the GI Generation you'd have to be 96 years and older. But with the advances of medicine a lot more people are living to that age than ever before. And so there still are tens of thousands of GI Gens living amongst us now. I mean Jimmy Carter is still around at the time of this writing, and so is Alan Greenspan. Plus we still have Mel Brooks, David Attenborough, Caren Marsh Doll and others. Those who are not suffering dementia I shudder to imagine what they think of the countries they did so much to make strong, where these countries are today.

  • @Cyndogg085
    @Cyndogg085 Před 2 měsíci +311

    Shame on the city of Oakland! 😠

    • @BigB0ss00
      @BigB0ss00 Před 2 měsíci

      they only protect and care for thug criminals not its law abiding citizens

    • @secretsauce4530
      @secretsauce4530 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@user-rl7mt4gh3o👍

  • @sushiifoxx
    @sushiifoxx Před měsícem +1

    stay strong, victor! ❤

  • @Xzile40
    @Xzile40 Před 2 měsíci +2

    We the people should write a citation to the city for every single city-owned building or piece of property that has graffiti unaddressed on it. $11,000 per major citation and $1200 per day unfixed, payments made directly to the people in that city. See if they like having to drop EVERYTHING they're doing to paint something others have deemed an eyesore.

  • @halebop12
    @halebop12 Před 2 měsíci +284

    Someone trying to harass him out of his property. As much graffiti as there is anymore, no excuse for fining this 100 year old man for what he did not do.

    • @maewebster9377
      @maewebster9377 Před 2 měsíci +21

      I agree…some company wants that property….they don’t seem to care about commercial property that has graffiti on it.

    • @fastdude2002
      @fastdude2002 Před 2 měsíci

      I doubt the city knew he was 102 years old. I wish more cities would force property owners to clean up graffiti as it’s a cancer. You don’t want to leave graffiti, garbage, etc. unaddressed. The theory is called “broken windows” and it was very effective in cleaning up New York City back in the 90s when the city actually cared, now it’s a trashed city. Unfortunately maintenance and up keep comes with owning property. The gentleman can get family, volunteers or hire someone to maintain his property as the neighbors and rest of the community don’t want to look at that each day. To those who say there is graffiti everywhere, why make this property owner clean it up? Unfortunately undesirables graffiti every day but you can’t just give up and not try and clean up the city. This guy is not the only person required to maintain his property. I was a Deputy Probation Officer back in the day and I always ordered offenders when caught to clean up graffiti as part of the terms of their probation.

    • @lisacain1670
      @lisacain1670 Před 2 měsíci +18

      @@fastdude2002so go to Oakland and get to work…and the point is that there is graffiti on city property that the city isn’t cleaning up but yet the city is threatening a 102 year old man over graffiti on his fence. If the city caught the criminals, nobody would have to clean up after them.

    • @LetsTalkAboutPrepping
      @LetsTalkAboutPrepping Před 2 měsíci +5

      ​@@fastdude2002if the city wants it cleaned up then they should clean it, even make a jobs program out of it and maybe hire some of the graffiti artists to clean up their mess and have a job (they'll refuse).
      You'll still be punishing the citizens through taxation for these programs, but at least you won't be discriminating against the law abiders

    • @fastdude2002
      @fastdude2002 Před 2 měsíci

      @@lisacain1670 everyone is focusing on the property owners age. The city who notified him of the issue with his property wouldn’t know his age and frankly it’s irrelevant. Graffiti is a disease on a community and it needs to be cleaned up. The older gentleman can get help from family, volunteers, or pay someone to come maintain his property that he owns and is responsible for. Because of his age should he be allowed to store broken down appliances in his driveway? Cars up on blocks on the front lawn? After all he’s very old so standards and codes shouldn’t apply to him. I wouldn’t leave graffiti on my property for even one day, makes me look trashy. The city can’t use tax payers money and clean private property. As butt hurt as you realize that all cities require property owners to clean graffiti from their property, businesses. Stating that there is graffiti in other places including city property doesn’t mean that we should just give up and not clean up the mess in our cities including graffiti. I’m sure the city cleans up its fair share of graffiti on city property, it’s a never ending task but you can’t just except it and allow it to build up and stay, we already look like a 3rd world country in our cities, let’s take some pride.

  • @kepckatherinec805
    @kepckatherinec805 Před 2 měsíci +217

    The city’s too chicken or too cheap to enforce anti graffiti laws against the punk a-holes who deface properties. Instead, the city acts against a 102 year old wheelchair bound tax paying citizen. Pathetic.

    • @briansharp4388
      @briansharp4388 Před 2 měsíci +15

      He can't run from them like the punks doing it. Glad I left east bay

    • @synnove1046
      @synnove1046 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Joe-by8jhIt’s not about race. Don’t be an idiot.

    • @furiousapplesack
      @furiousapplesack Před 2 měsíci

      @@Joe-by8jh DId you just invent a victimization for a strawman? Grow up, kid.

    • @furiousapplesack
      @furiousapplesack Před 2 měsíci

      @@Joe-by8jh Cool. I ask again, did you just invent a victimization?

  • @i_bleed_makeup1187
    @i_bleed_makeup1187 Před 2 měsíci

    I love this man. I wish him all the best. Terrible what the city is doing to him.

  • @josephmedina6403
    @josephmedina6403 Před 2 dny +1

    That’s crap !
    If I lived in Oakland I would have helped a 102 yr old disabled man paint his fence and wall .😐

  • @shak180
    @shak180 Před 2 měsíci +171

    It takes the City being publicly shamed on the news to let the issue go

  • @zakbaker6620
    @zakbaker6620 Před 2 měsíci +313

    102 and a former private contractor, that man is is great shape considering his former line of work. So is his son, for being 70 years old. Thats some solid genes.

    • @Slay_No_More
      @Slay_No_More Před 2 měsíci +13

      Indeed. He looks better than some 65 year olds.

    • @dannyhowarth1728
      @dannyhowarth1728 Před 2 měsíci +7

      I was thinking that son is 72 and overweight but looks alot younger

    • @-MaryPoppins-
      @-MaryPoppins- Před 2 měsíci +6

      He looks AMAZING!!! So does the son and daughter in law!!! I guess when you’re not a piece of trash, life is kinder!

    • @fett_420
      @fett_420 Před 2 měsíci

      That's how living your life the way you want and doing the things that make you happy looks. Now people are shamed for doing the things they like and eating what they enjoy instead mostly because of plant grazers and psudoscience.

    • @TheKingacevedo
      @TheKingacevedo Před 2 měsíci +2

      True. Can I get a blood transfusion? My DNA could use an enhancement.

  • @WilliamsPinch
    @WilliamsPinch Před 2 měsíci

    I love what he said! “Keep breathing and behave yourself” for long life 💕

  • @r1133rocco
    @r1133rocco Před 2 měsíci

    ❤️This man!

  • @steveblankenship5474
    @steveblankenship5474 Před 2 měsíci +106

    That’s elder abuse by the City of Oakland!

  • @MB26535
    @MB26535 Před 2 měsíci +379

    This man has lived through the Great Depression, World War II, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the 60's, Vietnam, Watergate and 9/11 and they are still giving him this fine. He has seen more than any of those lawmakers or city inspectors. We need to treat our elderly citizens in this country better than this.

    • @tarynjoyce275
      @tarynjoyce275 Před 2 měsíci +22

      He also made it through the pandemic! Give the man a break

    • @gameratortylerstein5636
      @gameratortylerstein5636 Před 2 měsíci +6

      ​@@tarynjoyce275which pandemic?

    • @CandaceP-dd9gx
      @CandaceP-dd9gx Před 2 měsíci +3

      The 60’s? Jim crow?

    • @jaffa3717
      @jaffa3717 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Just the entire decade of the 1960's lol

    • @Kirasfox
      @Kirasfox Před 2 měsíci

      Nah...they just want the elderly to work till they can't live anymore....I wish I was kidding but the dam retirement age is creeping further and further away....

  • @kathydavenport4422
    @kathydavenport4422 Před 2 měsíci

    I hope someone near him will come help him. Blessings Be.

  • @RobertNazarov65
    @RobertNazarov65 Před 3 dny

    The streets should respect this guy and help keep his wall clean

  • @bigbellyflyer
    @bigbellyflyer Před 2 měsíci +502

    Name the city inspector!

  • @davidalexander7988
    @davidalexander7988 Před 2 měsíci +199

    Maybe he should site the city for failure to police the city?

    • @JoeVinson
      @JoeVinson Před 2 měsíci

      He probably voted for this.

  • @MrChase115
    @MrChase115 Před měsícem +1

    100 years of dealing with peoples bullshit, and he still don't let it faze him. That's his secret. Stress kills and shortens life, this guy has no time for it. Brilliant !

  • @cashusgr8
    @cashusgr8 Před měsícem +1

    I think the city should be fined if there is any graffiti on any street signs, or utility boxes, or any buildings that they are responsible for. Local Government is not above the law, they should be held to the same (if not higher) standard that they impose upon their people.

  • @12GaugePadawan
    @12GaugePadawan Před 2 měsíci +424

    The City leadership should be fined and should step down for the failed government they’ve enacted.

    • @carlitosway917
      @carlitosway917 Před 2 měsíci +14

      The officials probably saw him as a easy target to extort money from through these ludicrous fines.

    • @kewintaylor7056
      @kewintaylor7056 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Look like he protect those grafitty thug more than knnocent ppl!…

    • @christinewigley2206
      @christinewigley2206 Před 2 měsíci

      It’s HAPPENING ALL OVER, GOVERNMENT ARE ALL CORRUPT

    • @gypsyrose7554
      @gypsyrose7554 Před 2 měsíci +2

      This is reality when your vote blue.

    • @Veritech617
      @Veritech617 Před 2 měsíci

      If he's tagging the buildings, he should have to clean it regardless of his age.

  • @michaelkissner2284
    @michaelkissner2284 Před 2 měsíci +229

    They won’t kick out squatters who are trespassing in peoples homes, but they’ll fine an elderly man who has paid more than enough of his dues in his life, for not cleaning something he didn’t even do. I wish I lived close enough to this man to go to his house and do this for him so he can relax in his retirement

    • @annjones6543
      @annjones6543 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Or Hoarders that need to Clean their property and remove Junk.

    • @finlaymcdiarmid5832
      @finlaymcdiarmid5832 Před 2 měsíci +8

      The criminals couldn't help themselves! You should've known better!
      Thats the democrat motto.

    • @timafiggy
      @timafiggy Před 2 měsíci +2

      I seriously think it's by design now. Slowly turning into larger Alcatraz.

    • @user-ye6ty9ie8g
      @user-ye6ty9ie8g Před 2 měsíci

      paid enough dues? he has gotten more in social security than he ever paid for anything, mega welfare recipient

    • @squidwardtentacles2736
      @squidwardtentacles2736 Před 2 měsíci +1

      world's gone backwards it seems

  • @Blessed_by_Yeshua
    @Blessed_by_Yeshua Před měsícem

    God bless you, sir. God bless your son. ❤❤

  • @kwazimokava6499
    @kwazimokava6499 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The city officials should be charged for letting the city look like that too...another corrupt officials in charge of a town...

  • @LISA75_
    @LISA75_ Před 2 měsíci +192

    The real issue is that this old guy's property has been vandalized , and instead of working to catch and fine and punish the miscreants that have done it , they blame/punish the victim .

    • @alexandru5369
      @alexandru5369 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Not just that but he STILL has too pay property tax if you're 65 property tax should be null and void same as if you pay off the house on the spot ( unless you're renting it out)

    • @anthrolitestudios
      @anthrolitestudios Před 2 měsíci +1

      I’m so confused. Ok you don’t know the perps sure. But why punish the owner of said property for vandalism if it’s private property. Wait I should word it better. Based on the fine for not clearing graffiti can you not put graffiti on your own property?

    • @franknblunt
      @franknblunt Před 2 měsíci

      this happens in USA more often than aware & media complicit with suppression

    • @HibouRondo
      @HibouRondo Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@anthrolitestudios he needs Banksy! Then it’s art.

    • @73cidalia
      @73cidalia Před 2 měsíci +5

      All while they ignore the graffiti on their own property.

  • @dougrigel1997
    @dougrigel1997 Před 2 měsíci +101

    You don't have to be a smart person to be a politician. The politicians are proving that every day.

  • @mr.x8880
    @mr.x8880 Před 2 měsíci

    This is outrageous and quite relatable to how any time my younger brother would (out of habit) start hitting or pinching me, and just when that was upsetting enough our mom and dad would just reprimand and/or punish me for pushing him off of me or go about it like it’s all my fault that he wanted to instigate a problem.

  • @ianbattles7290
    @ianbattles7290 Před 25 dny +1

    Funny how the city ITSELF isn't held to the same standard, based on all the spraypainted street signs...

  • @johnhmielewski1230
    @johnhmielewski1230 Před 2 měsíci +165

    This family has some superior genes man. His son looks like he's in his 50s and still in great shape, they're both in amazing health for their ages.

    • @JakeTurbine
      @JakeTurbine Před 2 měsíci +5

      Right?!

    • @a.j.carmichael8156
      @a.j.carmichael8156 Před 2 měsíci +4

      For sure!

    • @bguerra4
      @bguerra4 Před 2 měsíci +17

      The 102 year old is more spry than our president

    • @sharknadofartquake2449
      @sharknadofartquake2449 Před 2 měsíci +1

      LOL 50'S?! In my newest video on this channel I was a week less than 47 years 11 months old and I DID NOT dye my hair to remove gray. I guess you'll think I'm immortal if you think that guy looks like he's in his 50's!

  • @hearsemanjeff1477
    @hearsemanjeff1477 Před 2 měsíci +107

    Think of how many years this person has paid taxes to this city only to be treated this way

  • @Phaserdeath
    @Phaserdeath Před 2 měsíci

    “How many times do we have to tell you old man” 😂🤣😂

  • @ld2048
    @ld2048 Před měsícem +1

    its time for the people to take justice into their hands, when all governing bodies refuse to deal with the problem

  • @Blemmo
    @Blemmo Před 2 měsíci +205

    Well then sue the city for failing to remove all of the grafitti from public buildings. Let's say 1100 dollars and 1200 more for every failed reinspection

    • @alyssatipton5080
      @alyssatipton5080 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Poetry

    • @pamelabeth
      @pamelabeth Před 2 měsíci +2

      👏 👏 👏

    • @thelonecabbage7834
      @thelonecabbage7834 Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah, spend your own money to accomplish nothing. That'll show them!

    • @clalam5241
      @clalam5241 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@thelonecabbage7834 youre deluded if you think all city funds come from taxes

    • @thelonecabbage7834
      @thelonecabbage7834 Před 2 měsíci

      @@clalam5241 What the fuck makes you think I think that?

  • @georgemason1026
    @georgemason1026 Před 2 měsíci +184

    Ridiculous, with all the other problems Oakland has, they pick on this elderly gentleman. Heard they don't answer or respond to 911 calls, yet they have the time to harass this guy.

    • @dacreamofthecrop
      @dacreamofthecrop Před 2 měsíci +19

      Its a shakedown plain and simple

    • @timsmith1125
      @timsmith1125 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@dacreamofthecrop Agreed. Unfortunately, stories similar to this one are more common than not. Whatever the motivation for the city to issue the citation, the unanswered question remains why they didn’t have a conversation with this gentleman before escalating the matter?

    • @mikeg3728
      @mikeg3728 Před 2 měsíci +5

      What I heard from an insider (Mountain View PD) is the Oakland guys will respond if it sounds like potential injury/harm to a human, but beyond that, they pretty much ignore calls.

  • @kennethnakamura3936
    @kennethnakamura3936 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Absurd totally ridiculous and very cruel. The City should be painting it for him not the other way around. Just unacceptable on the City’s part, unconscionable and patently unfair. Counter sue the City. Get him an attorney to ensure this attack on a decent guy who has paid property taxes for 60 years deserves some recognition and respect. Shame on Oakland

  • @donnalouden7364
    @donnalouden7364 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Someone needs to install some cameras for this man so they can catch the criminals that are making this mess and let the criminals clean it. Just totally absurd

  • @fishgutz4272
    @fishgutz4272 Před 2 měsíci +118

    He was targeted because the home has no mortgage. A developer wants the property.

    • @nothanks5846
      @nothanks5846 Před 2 měsíci +16

      🎯🎯🎯

    • @juniorthird7952
      @juniorthird7952 Před 2 měsíci +11

      But who wants to develop in Oakland it's a wasteland. Everything has moved out. The football team left now the baseball team is leaving.

    • @tmartin-wong8602
      @tmartin-wong8602 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Agreed!

    • @crippledwings
      @crippledwings Před 2 měsíci +3

      too real

    • @sysbofh
      @sysbofh Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@juniorthird7952 For real? That's savage...

  • @eleanorhardy683
    @eleanorhardy683 Před 2 měsíci +185

    Cancel the citation my a**. They need to sue the city. You can't be human to do a 102 year old like this. It's like they're punishing him for a crime someone else committed. Also they should put up some hidden cameras, and catch these tyrants. This man has lived over a century. 🎉 We should be honoring him, not hurting him.

    • @Tea_Spilln_Cupz
      @Tea_Spilln_Cupz Před 2 měsíci +3

      It’s more important knowing what he spent his 102 years doing than making it that far before putting on the cape for someone you don’t know.😒

    • @CarsonL2000
      @CarsonL2000 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Tea_Spilln_CupzDid you hear the man? He behaved himself, so sounds like a good person to me😊

    • @Tea_Spilln_Cupz
      @Tea_Spilln_Cupz Před 2 měsíci

      @@CarsonL2000 That doesn’t reflect on character, it reflects on obedience.

    • @DRHightower
      @DRHightower Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@Tea_Spilln_Cupz I can see you're trying to be human. Your attempt is a funny one. Well done, im impressed.

    • @TheSpicyLeg
      @TheSpicyLeg Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@Tea_Spilln_CupzYeah, that 102 year old man is familiar with concepts like obedience, duty, discipline, and honor. Not exactly commonly found in modern people, so it can be confusing and alarming when first encountered.

  • @user9b2
    @user9b2 Před 2 měsíci

    He’s doing good for 103 years old 👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @conrad7635
    @conrad7635 Před měsícem +1

    The old man taxes must be used to provide services. Lawmakers are paid by taxes. Conscience and be reasonable. The city did not provide protection and services to the taxpayer. The city must be sued and pay the taxpayer.

  • @MIM-ve7qz
    @MIM-ve7qz Před 2 měsíci +187

    The City of Oakland should help him not hurt him.

    • @neckarsulme
      @neckarsulme Před 2 měsíci

      they are too busy being nice to the drug addicts and criminals

    • @CrimsonEclipse
      @CrimsonEclipse Před 2 měsíci +4

      If the city was that honorable the city wouldn't be so crime infested.

  • @bradspringer2372
    @bradspringer2372 Před 2 měsíci +180

    "Keep breathing and behave yourself". God bless this man!

  • @tracy9397
    @tracy9397 Před 2 měsíci

    This is completely insane! When will the criminals be charged like they use to?! Smh

  • @crazyman8472
    @crazyman8472 Před 3 dny +1

    SEE ALSO: “102 Not Out”; great movie! 😎

  • @SATruthNow
    @SATruthNow Před 2 měsíci +93

    This proves that serpents are running the City.

    • @UrbanPrintScape
      @UrbanPrintScape Před 2 měsíci

      Not just the city they run the world .This is Satan's earth .

  • @veebes1142
    @veebes1142 Před 2 měsíci +124

    So those squatters that take over people's empty houses can not be arrested, but this 102 yr old man in a wheelchair and pay his tax will get charged and fine.. wow!

  • @kalemulnix7875
    @kalemulnix7875 Před měsícem +1

    Go to California if you want to be punished for being the victim of a crime while the criminals get to roam free!

  • @outdoorsy01
    @outdoorsy01 Před měsícem

    This has happened quite a few times. 88 year old lady with arthritis also fined for not cleaning off grafiti

  • @ItisOKtobewhite
    @ItisOKtobewhite Před 2 měsíci +152

    Born in 1922 . The fella saw some things in his life . Rock on gramps.

    • @aaa7189
      @aaa7189 Před 2 měsíci +22

      That 102 year old man must be going insane seeing the way this country is headed

    • @BigJFindAWay
      @BigJFindAWay Před 2 měsíci +7

      He’s of the Greatest Generation

    • @waltchan
      @waltchan Před 2 měsíci +3

      1950s San Francisco (when was in his 30s) were the happiest time America's history.

  • @Headywon
    @Headywon Před 2 měsíci +141

    Oakland should just arrest itself, what a disaster of a city

    • @lisab.1595
      @lisab.1595 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Can we possibly get any dumber in this country? I don't think so.

    • @tommitchell8425
      @tommitchell8425 Před 2 měsíci

      The home of WORLD CHAMPIONS
      RAIDERS
      A'S
      WARRIORS
      ❤❤❤

    • @Want2cJesus
      @Want2cJesus Před 2 měsíci

      A disaster of a city in a disaster of a state. Bunch of communists.

  • @mecha417
    @mecha417 Před 29 dny

    Whoever came up with the idea to fine this old man should face the fine themselves. This isn't the city playing by the law, this is absolutely spineless.

  • @Doomsdeath17
    @Doomsdeath17 Před 19 dny

    for transparency sake, how did this happen? who cited and why?