Insect Glaive Meta Damage Comparison | MHRise: Sunbreak
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- A damage comparison between the previous main Insect Glaive combos and 3 kinsects slashes followed by a fully charged dyving wyvern. In almost all situations the aerial IG combo wins out.
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It's hard to do the tornado slash stab loop on the training dummy head. And the stabs wouldn't have made it out damage the diving wyvern.
Rata you admit to having a very flawed testing method, you’re being unintentionally misleading. I hope your next video you’ll try a bit harder and I hope people see this comment.
@@breakinmadly I admit no such thing. If you have video evidence disproving my conclusion that "3 kinsect slashes followed by a diving wyvern will out damage all normal ground combos in the time it takes to do it" then I'd love to see it and then I'd amend my conclusion in a pinned comment.
However the way I see it, adding the stab to the tornado slash loop would not change anything because the tetraseal slash loop does far more damage than the tornado slash loop, and it still does not begin to out damage diving wyverns until the end of the second loop.
Please feel free to send me evidence to my email if you have any. It's on my about page.
@breakinmadly erase his comment? what a little 🐱
I thoroughly appreciate the thorough breakdown, and my only complaint, if you can call it that, is that you didn't use the Jumping Advancing Slash.
I'll admit that your other Insect Glaive videos are what got me to bring it out of retirement, and it's a damn good time to be an IG main. Again, thank you for the excellent content, and I look forward to more videos!
After getting used to this art of war I can now kill Malenia with ease. It feels so good being able to hop out of waterfowl dance range and then kinsect slash her for that sweet damage. Thank you for enlightening me on this new meta, it has been very helpful
Yeah way better than having to dive everyone she does that attack
Indeed I finally got to beat Soldier of Godrick with this
dafuk you talking about?
@@jcdeton72 Foul tarnished one
@@lokilize DAFUK?!
It's pretty neat that aerial and ground are technically on par now. And if you build for both, you can achieve Lance versus Rajang levels of ridiculous uptime. Switch scroll away and no matter what the monster does, you have an answer. Recall Kinsect for a defensive playstyle against highly aggressive monsters, Awakened Kinsect for an offensive setup to beat the living hell out of slow monsters.
What works for me quite well is advancing roundslash, kinsect slash and diving wyvern, roundslash to cover agressive monsters moves, which then launches me up and sets me up for 3KS + Diving Wyvern.
With that loadout you get (IMO) optimal deeps -against most monsters without having to switchscroll, allowing for dereliction to be used.
I got a 7:35 Freestyle run on my second try of afflicted Rathian with that, which can if optimized actually keep up with CB runs.
Also works on furious rajang
@@illuminatilord4291 Interesting. I'm not particularly good and don't care to chase speedrun times, but I do find it interesting that IG can get some nasty damage now.
@@illuminatilord4291 you can get away with just 2 KS then dive for max charge since getting popped up from advancing is a charge already. For those tight windows.
@@meowarfmoo How does that work? Don't Advancing and KS share the same Switch Skill slot?
Or by Advancing Slash do you mean Awakened Kinsect Attack? But then that takes over Diving Wyvern.
@@badtiming2208 I think you are misremembering the names. Advancing is the forwarding attack that pops you up into the air. If you countered a attack you are already in stage 1 2 more Kinsect slash you can be in max charge for diving wyvern.
I already knew I liked you Ratatoskr, then you go and slap some Etrian Odyssey music in here? Beautiful
Thank you, I always love and appreciate these in-depth side by side analysis with visualizations
yeah same, honestly for how big of a community mh has there is a suprise lack of "field research" at least i can't seem to find those and have to do testin by myself. (e.g. jow much healing does recall kinsect give you, what's the dps best buddy setup or how does chameleos blessing work etc.etc.)
@@Dr_Donald_Duck for Buddies 2 Gun Dogs with Ibushi Pure Sword, Palamute Silkbinder and Large Shuriken with the skills Range Up, Range Centric, Pierce up and your choice of Attack L + Attack S(or Status/Element) if you prefer your Dog dealing status they're great at it and Element for if the monster is very vulnerable to Dragon
also its not worth it to switch to the other element weapons but if you did feel like it the ones with some Affinity on them paired with Crit L+Crit S do nicely if you use the valstrax HH
Even before Sunbreak aerial with diving wyvern was competitive, but it was extremely hard to reliably get three aerial dances off. Kinsect Slash is much safer since it's short, can be aimed, and you bounce away after each use making it easy to pull off a full aerial combo.
well said
That stamina drain though 💀
well i'm never gonna be alienated at this rate
I’m really enjoying the insect glaive content glad that glave is getting more represented in sunbreak.
That's really good info there. Basically I can continue playing a kind of free form playstyle of insect glaive where I switch between a ground style or an aerial style depending on the situation. Seeing that the 3 main combos are on par with each other for the most part shows that Capcom did a really good job with Sunbreak : the player never had that much freedom in choosing their own playstyle thanks to the switch skill system, and you can do just that with the insect glaive now without feeling bad about your overall damage.
offtopic but I love the Metroid music you are using for your videos!
Can’t wait for more insect glaive videos. Would love to see some full hunts with aerial/ powder set up
Thanks for the video. I've been loving your IG tricks. I do somewhat wish you hadn't stopped the clock at 2:19 to see the ground combo's damage while Diving Wyvern was in animation lock but it isn't the end of the world. Thank you!!
So so so glad I found your channel! Finally we attain air superiority!!!
Just subscribed to you.
Not just because you have awesome monster hunter content.
But anyone who uses torvus bog underwater music from the best metroid prime game is an awesome man. ;)
I always enjoy the Metroid soundtrack in the background, sir!
Thanks for the video!
I just started using the insect glaive for the 1st time and wanted to see how meta combos would differ from my own experimentation with the weapon. As a new IG user I wanted to test out paralysis/stun kinsect with powder vortex and use tetraseal slash to apply marks and maximize powder uptime. I have so far completed paralysis->stun while doing ground combo with tetraseal and finishing off with a powder explosion. Also I find the switch scrolls amazing since they offer a variety of playstyles suited for different monsters.
I started using the kinsect slash + diving wyvern combo because of your videos and the number one reason it's because it's new style of gameplay. I have around 1.2k hours played with IG (World + Rise) and being able to play in a different way is refreshing
Been loving this style. As an insect glaive main something felt off about it in base rise so I only used it about 50% of the timer and this has breathed new life into the weapon for me. Haven’t touched a different weapon since sunbreak
Mind englighten me with this combo? And type of kinsect and most important skills to look out for?
I've been jumping between weapons since rise (didnt like the HH changes) but this play style is so much fun thanks for the videos, mb IG main in progress 🤔
I won't touch that weird bug stick any time soon, but I'm glad you are making MH videos :D
Off topic but, I LOVE that you used Metroid's music
Very nice. This is what IG should be in my opinion, a good mobile balance between the styles. The thing that sticks out to me the most is that, outside of the very first example, all of these are very close to each other, meaning you can basically change it up depending on the situation and still be able to deal consistent strong damage. I had a feeling that was the case from just playing, but it's great to see it confirmed.
Can't wait for build videos
You've sold me on this playstyle! If nothing else it looks very fun. That said, what sort of skills should I be looking for? It seems like stamina skills would be important. In particular what talisman would you recommend? Thanks!
This is an interesting find really. I've been dabbling with IG on Sunbreak. I'll try it.
Do you have to supplement decos that help with stamina use/regen? How does that hurt the dps on aerial ig. Would love to see a full build video for armor and skills
I have the stubbornness to stay aerial no matter what, and I'm glad it ain't that bad now! Very nice. I hated ground ig for the longest time lol like if I want some weapon combos on the ground, I could be using other weapons instead y'know.
Thank you for this. Now I won't be judged flying around on random lobbies/hunts
The aerial IG playstyle has been so much fun, especially when monsters slap me out of the sky. I've been going through the story with it and LBG and it's a blast.
Some of the hitboxes' reach in this game is just stupid lol
Garangolm has some crazy ones
@@XenobladeXSupremacy His right arm slam is plain silly. It definitely tracks you and the hitbox on the water spout is massive
@@XenobladeXSupremacy IDK why but I'm not having a hard time as aerial IG against garangolm. But I was having a nightmare against Tigrex. He's using a lot of the new jump moves, and the tail spin hitbox is fkin crazy
@@ewy4010 It's not that I'm having issues (I can take them down just fine), it's just that some of the hitboxes are a bit too big for comfort
Fun fact: Valstrax can aim his wing spear thrust upwards
I'm loving this aerial insect glaive. Finally filling their niche.
Very informative video, i was just messing around yesterday with insect glaive and it's been a hell of a lot of fun. I was just wondering if you were using stamina usage reducing skills or dangos in the Kinsect Slash clips? My Kinsect Slashes take way more stamina than that and I often can't chain them all the way to the Diving Wyvern.
I got the same issue. Mr4. If I hop once between de slashes I often cannot get the last slash in or reposition got the final blow. This is on a regular hunt with the right food and stuff.
Put some Constitution decos in tour build tô reduce stamina usage during aerial dogdes
Constitution is great, but you can give that up if you opt for meal with Fighter in the first slot, and keep up with Dash Juice. Those two things will suffice.
I actually just started IG a couple days ago because I wanted to be in the air, regardless if ground style was better or not. So this is good to know!
This helped me, thanks.
Is there a video showcasing the build & skills involved to be able to reach this kind of damage? I've been messing around for awhile, and can't seem to get it quite right.
I decided to main insect glaive for sunbreak mainly because of the new switch skills and the aerial playstyle is my favorite so far. I still have to try vortex kinsect but that I can wait.
efficient and satisfying. TY
I've generally found a pretty decent rhythm air insect glaive in using the powder assist kinsect and alternating between a full air combo and 1 tetraseal combo. This makes it so generally I always have enough stamina for full power dives and I have an ample supply of full buff clouds around. The other thing I do is my set has level 3 of the skill furious on it so I go in a cycle of the first 90 seconds I play more ground focused and build lots of buff powder clouds around and the next 90 seconds I go pure aerial since I have infinite stamina and usually available buff clouds to grab, and from there it's just alternate
I just got MHR for pc and I'm only HR3. I played DB, and LS in MHW though, have a little over a thousand hrs. I always wanted to learn Insect Glaive, now after watching this video I'm going to give it a try. It really looks fun.
Is there a video or guide for your palmute setups? I don't know much about buddies besides giving them paralysis weapons. Anything you can recommend would be great! I love these comparison videos.
I think his are set up with Attack Up (S) and (L), Ranged-Centric, Ranged Attack Up, and Piercing Attack Up
This is my favorite way to play now. Thank you. See you in the skies, brothers and sisters.
The insect glaive was the first weapon I learned in MHW. I moved on to other weapons but would fall back on it when no other weapon would do. The ability to essentially fly comes in clutch.
Seeing how much freedom of movement and how much height we've gotten in rise, I find it absolutely crazy someone has to make a video *convincing* people to play with the aerial weapon In the Air where it was designed to be. I'm glad the devs made it so strong in the air in this game.
TLDR great video. Subbed
Having sooooo much fun with this. God I love flying.
Tbh I love alternating between ground and aerial playstyles, ig feels great now!
Would you release a guide on how to set this up/what build compliments it? I'm new to sunbreak and trial and error just ends up frustrating me to figure out what "works" since there are so many options. the whole theory crafting aspect is what makes me stop playing Monster Hunter games as I'm not a fan of feeling egregiously weak for ages until I figure it out.
Generally I am a fan of the aerial meta however I'm like basic spin to win Andy in the air where I repeatedly helicopter the length of the monster and bounce off repeatedly until the spin down is max damage and repeat
I do a mix of ground and aerial play with the insect glaive. It's what I find to be the most fun when playing it, but I am using the dual color defense kinsect since that seems to be the one that gives me the most time with the triple up buff so far with the majority of monsters.
same to all that!
Being an older insect glaive that stayed on the ground and did the tornado slash a lot. I use a mixture of both. I try to use diving wyvern when I have my stamina saved up. I'm also at the end of sunbreak but not end game so my playstyle might change
I've been following this strategy for aerial glaive and I feel like I still don't quite have a build to reduce my stamina consumption with Kinsect Slash. Are there any other skills you recommend aside from stuff in your previous video (Dango Fighter, Palico GFW)? I'd hate to use up all my Dash Juices...
I actually did not know how to charge that falling attack before this video.
What gear were you wearing for this demonstration? Nearing endgame and I'm starting to look for builds and this new aerial style has been my jam and I'm just looking for somewhere to start build-wise.
Hey :) Wanting to test IG but I have no idea what are the skills considered mandatory for the aeriall playstyle, would you mind sharing some light ?
I have been trying for so long to get back into this weapon. It's hard to let go of an addiction (longsword), especially if theres a deco with 3 quick sheath. I am trying, but being addicted to that thing since 2017 makes it a challenge.
Do not forget to consider elemental damage. Especially during the comparison with the Tetraseal Combo you get about 28 Hits more with Tetraseal; which would be about 28x16 extra dragon damage on a Rathian's Head witht the Valstrax Glaive.
Also do not neglect the utility of Tetraseal: It automarks the monster this opens up more playstyles potentially leading to extra damage.
Last but not least: You have to invest into stamina managment with the Arial Insect Glaive: This might mean 3 points of Constitution instead of Attack Up or Agitator or Crit Eye. It means eating for Figther instead of Booster or using a Palico instead of a Palamute.
Even so, i the end i mostly stick with arial because of the additional safety it provides. It would honestly be bad combat balancing if the safest playstyle was the most damaging one. It would make choosing the playstyle feel graceless and bereft of intelligence.
Great video as always.
youll only take my dog from my cold dead hands xD but i get you. I picked up on the style quickly come launch and came to the same conclusion, without the Constitution or fighter dango its a giant mess trying to pull it all off.
At least Con 2 is indeed needed for aeriel. But if you run out of stamine you can just ground combo for a while. The beauty of IG.
I mostly stick with aeriel as well as it’s so unique to IG.
What's your recommended amount of Sharpness for a heavy aerial style? I've noticed that Kinsect Slash only takes away 1 unit of sharpness (12 KS = 3 Strong Rising Slash Combo)
My go to combo is kinsect yeet, into 3 kinsect slash then the kinsect spike.
Right now I use the dual color (attack) assist kinsect so I get the red buff right away for kinsect slash but I may try the speed charge kinsect since it looks like it hits 6 times on the kinsect throw as long as its charged up. But damage vs comfort is always the case isn't it.
i like doing the tetraseal once in a while when i want to recover stamina or am just standing right in front of the face or the tail while it's immobilized
Can you make a video about you build and show it clearly with both scrolls too?
I am so happy that aerial is viable now. Even if it was still weaker, as long as it is not trash like it used to, I will play it because it's FUN!
And obviously, right now it doesn't just look viable, it actually looks like it's stronger! Amazing.
Do you have some glaive builds. I've been looking for a decent IG build.
What was the music at the beginning of the video it sounded oddly familiar.
What Stamina skills do you fit into your builds to assist with an aerial favoured play pattern, is Constitution 3 enough ?
Do you have a endgame build video for the insect glaive?
Thank you.
hey can anyone drop a link of the reddit post mentioned in the beginning? thanks
What about the other move you unlock after the red extract? If you see you won't land the dive, but you land that move and string into your ground combo, how would that fare?
So would an exhaust build for insect glaive be the most useful then? Because then the monster will be less active, therefore allowing you to get more diving wyvern hits in
Could you do a video on endgame insect glaive builds?
are you gonna do a endgame IG build?
Do you have a recommended set listed anywhere? also do you use constitution at all?
The Reddit meta gallery flat out refused to even entertain the idea of aerial IG.
Are you using constitution lv5? I'm trying to do it but kinsect slash eat up so much stamina that I can barely do the third one, let alone dash to the head and diving wyvern...
Although i am primarily subscribed to you for Elden Ring content ( i know..i know..its ok i dont play it as well currently, will be back into it after few weeks or a month or two ), i watched some Monster Hunter videos purely from interest...combat as you describe it sounds awesome.
Only thing that bothers me with Monster Hunter is the art direction and how everything looks tooo arcady and stuff, but that may be just mine preconceptions or something.
Anyway i almost bought it on steam summer sale but the art style put me off and the impression of having tons of stuff to learn for a new game, i bought detroid become human instead.
Could you make a video for absolute beginners in Monster Hunter, where to begin, how to begin, what game to buy...etc..etc..
Maybe that would inspire me and others who are on the fence about playing it, to try it and it wouldnt seem such a chore or starting a new giant game with tons of systems.
Great videos btw :D
I'll look into it.
Its better to play the aerial IG with elemental weapons or better with a raw build?
Hey Ratatoskr quick question, is your name a reference to Date A Live by any chance?
What happened to the powder insect glaive from the demo that everyone was talking about? Did it got nerfed or something?
dont forget that vaulting dance has s to it too when comparing uptime of aerial vs ground
Sold! ❤️❤️❤️
Ahh, you named your Palamute Repede as and you play IG. We're kindred spirits, you and I.
Can you make a full build for the aerial style of play?
Omg I didn't know we can aim with the new air attack it takes so much sense now i'm gonna try this it looks way better than I thought
You can also mark a part of the monster and kinsect slash will autopilot to the marking
@@LugaruEvolutions awesome need to try this to
@@axi8158 ahh, gotta correct myself - that was for kinsect glide the new silkbind. But useful nonetheless :)
@@LugaruEvolutions oh yeah I know that one and there is an on it
Did you ever do the Powder Vortex damage comparison? I've fairly recently taken up IG for the first time, and was a bit overwhelmed by the options. Elemental, non? Ground, aerial? Assist, Vortex?
I can say elemental is better in general for IG
@@leebard9335 wow, I wouldn't have guessed!
Which ig should i make tho, could u give me some suggestion besides final boss ig?
is that Etrian Odyssey music i hear? good taste.
Did your kinsect slashes poke downward at the monsters? Mine are all horizontal
I've been using aerial since I first got my hands on the base rise,
I never knew some ppl would prefer ground assault.
so diving wyvern vs ground combos is to insect glaive as super spam vs spinning axe are to charge blade.
As a Insect Galive main, I only use this style lol. I almoste never fight on the groud, and even when the monster is not incapacitated. I just try to dodge mid-air all the attacks while continuing to attack the monster right after. I get hit really rarely while almost never stop to attack the monster.
And as you've showed it here, the damages are clearly here.
So I don't get why this would not be a good option... I get that we all have preferences, but objectively, if you are able to land the combos, it is a really viable option.
Great MH content, love that you’re filling the Jinx and Tuna / Mathalos hole in my heart since they soft retired from CZcams.
what kinsect should i use in end game?
What’s the name of the Metroid music In the video?
EO4 music.. Nice 💜
Anyone have an aerial build they can share?
I am running into stamina issues. I am not sure if I should be swapping out attack decorations for constitution, or there is some better skill altogether to deal with this.
have you tried a stam surge for one slot or dash juice?
Someone please tell me the name of the song in the end!!
i honestly dont like the whole aiming thing with the diving wyvern and kinsect slashes so its not great on small/highly mobile monsters from what ive seen, also the stamina issue does effect it. definitely will use it when monsters are immobile now tho thanks for the video.
Diving wivern is a bit annoying, plus it's not unlocked till HR7. It was a default move in World.
Do you have a link to what set you’re using?
IG looks insanely fun in this game, damn...
I think there's a couple footnotes I'd like to add to your conclusion. Kinsect Slash, especially when used very quickly, consumes a lot of stamina. Enough so that you might not be able to finish a full combo during an opening. Though this is easily mitigated with things like spirit birds, skills, and dash juice.
Another thing to note is that there appears to be a very small or guard point after the second hit of Kinsect Slash. I've noticed when landing that timing precisely you can potentially, key word, keep up your combo.
Ive noticed the I-frame(s) during the kinsect slash 2nd hit as well. I wonder if it works with Evade Window🤤
what skills may i ask help i love ig but the stamina eating kills the fluidness of it for me
@@bootysalad Constitution and Stamina Surge.
Constitution has 5 levels, decreases your stam usage on rolls and all the IG airborne stuff.
Stamina Surge has 3 levels - each level increases the rate you regenerate stamina by 10%, up to, well, 30%.
You can also eat for dango fighter which stacks with Constitution, to an upper limit of something...cant recall offhand.
Your palico can also use a skill called "Go, Fight, Win", that also works like and stacks with Constitution.
Sorry that was so long, hope it helps. Btw if you see a skill called Marathon Runner, that's bait for IG. It says it reduces stamina usage too, but its for things that have a continuous drain on your stam bar, like dashing with Lance, Demon Mode in Dual Blades, uhhh... Hammer charge holding I think, but not IG. 👍🏾
@@bootysalad see this vid for Stamina Reduction changes in Rise from Worldborne
Stamina Reduction include:
Constitution (skill)
Dango Fighter (untested but probably works, dango food)
Dash Juice (item)
Go Fight Win (Palico Lv 10 skill)
Butterflies (Endemic Life)
Hunting Horn Song (friend)
Other stuff that can help:
Hunger Resistance/Food (restore lost stamina)
Stamina Surge (Skill) - Increase stamina restoration rate
Spiribird's Call (Skill) - gives you spiribirds over time
Spiribird Rally (Ramp Skill) - improves spiribirds sometimes
@@bootysalad I straight up build the default bow comfy build with Cons 5, Stam Surge 3 as the base mandatory skills. With that, I was able to use 2 full combo with both Dyving Wyvern + 1 more full combo into Enhanced Insect Spiker (the triangle combo) + some Midair Evades in between. That build takes me through the storyline quickly. But I guess that was way too comfy of a build, because I was spamming vault after vault with no ground combo in between.
I think the better way of doing it is like the video: full Aerial Combo > Midair Evade > DW > Ground Combo (in this window, with Stam Surge 3, your stamina will recover fully) > start another Aerial Combo. You may want to experiment on how much you want to compensate for Cons & SS skill for your full combo can come through, and also some space for some Midair Evades.
Also Evade Extender on aerial combo is awesome :D
do you have a build you use with aerial glaive?
I have to say. Those dogs are dealing more damage than most of the RANDOS ive played with! :D
The thing with powder is that like… it’s fun! But it doesn’t feel super optimal if you’re going for all the powder hits
Aren't you supposed to do the forward stab after tornado slash though to loop the combo? Pretty sure it's better than canceling with recall and then starting over again.
Yeah that sounds about right.
It is better but it's hard to do that to the training dummy head. The stab wouldn't have made it out damage the Wyvern Dive.
@@ratatoskr6324 True just thought I should mention it though in case you weren't aware of it. Kinsect slash into diving wyvern definitely seems to be the strongest. Using it feels like playing the game on easy mode sometimes.
Is it worth using a dps meter on a hunt to compare?
Might the community inquire about your current build?