Forgotten wrecks are a time bomb | DW Documentary
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- Time bombs are ticking on the world’s sea beds. During World War II, 6,300 vessels were sent to the bottom. For years, they have been rusting beneath the waves and leaking toxic oil into the oceans. The biggest oil spill in history is imminent.
Experts estimate that the wrecks could hold up to 15 million tons of fuel, posing a threat to both holidaymakers and wildlife. This documentary takes viewers to Poland’s Baltic coast, to Norway, the USA and the Pacific Ocean. It accompanies scientists who are investigating how heavily the seabed has in some places already been contaminated by leaking oil, observing the rotting wrecks, developing danger scenarios and issuing warnings: the oil from several sunken ships urgently needs to be pumped out. There is still time to safely dispose of the sea’s "black tears." But, despite all the warnings, so far very few governments are prepared to take action. Although pumping out the wrecks is technically possible, it would be a complex and expensive process. But we are at the start of a critical phase. After decades of corrosion in salty seawater, sometimes the slightest vibration is enough to cause the steel hulls of the sunken warships to split open. Marine researchers, coastguards and salvage experts worldwide agree the question is not if, but when, further massive oil spills from World War II wrecks will cause an environmental disaster.
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- Dedicated experts warn authority about hidden/potential danger.
- The government doesn't care because they can't see the threat.
- Shit hits the fan.
- The experts have to be called to solve things.
It happened so many times that they even put it in movies.
WOW THIS IS JUST LIKE IN THE MOVIES! ! ! !
portrait in movies
You just described 90% of all action movies ever made involving some sought of disaster, the only thing you have left out is which A list actor will fix it & that it actually gets fixed.
It's not that the government doesn't care, it's more like "oh this is an unexpected cost, that we have to adjust the entire countries budget to accommodate this." In order to do that there is miles and miles of democratic red tape, paper work, and number fidgeting. You have to convince rich people sometimes into help funding the matter, which means those "investors" want money back, so the operation has to "make money" while cleaning up a mess. (some investors are actually happy to just invest with tax breaks and no pay back) This whole thing takes a year to figure out, and within that year something changes or you get a president like Trump who doesn't believe in climate change, so for his entire presidency NO GROUND was made in terms of environmental care.
The people who work in the government care, the people who work for the government are the same people you went to high school with or even a family member. The people who work for the government have real say in the matter, MONEY TALKS, and MONEY makes the world turn.
When the environment starts to effect the rich, their pockets, thats when REAL action will be taken.
If you have time, look up Randell Carlson. Even on the joe rogan podcast this geologist explains how in human history this kind of event HAS happened already. I believe he talks about the Scablands, and how in the past a GREAT FLOOD shaped the hills during the warming period RIGHT after(during really) the last ice age. Evidence of forest fires all over the world at that time, and a great migration of humans, who came together in places that experienced the least amount of change, places that when the planet warmed became habitable.
- Dedicated experts need money so the government bribes them to say whatever they wish.
Sometimes it's easy to forget the run-on effects of historical events, this doc is a good reminder.
Yeah, it is and nobody really cares to begin with. I had no idea about this until I watched this doc.
Most people have other stuff to think about.
@@jakobinobles3263 Does your mom worry about forgotten shipwrecks?
@@MargaritaMagdalena She's certainly not happy that he's putting off dealing with shipwrecks til later. That's a classic form of procrastination.
@@Chironex_Fleckeri Nobody is happy about it. Your point being?
I have always wondered about all the sunken ships, planes, explosives. WW2 was an immense dumping of all kinds of dangerous stuff into the environment.
7000 ships........
I think WWII was the deathnail for humanity the more that I look at it
@@jonathanrichards5024 quite possible, all the first world countries kicked it into overdrive and didn’t realize what they’re doing will degrade and damage the planet for hundreds or thousands of years
Yes a resource and material war
In the fields of France which were once the site of the western front of WW1, over 1.5 billion shells were fired, around 1 ton per square meter. Unexploded munitions continue to be found and disposed of to this very day, over a century later.
My father travelled there to visit the historic locations and memorials and brought home artillery casings, bullets, and bits of shrapnel, which were just lying about like shells on a beach.
The fields are green with grass and trees again, but the landscape is rough and bumpy, with hills and valleys where craters were made over a hundred years ago.
Other wars have had similar amounts of munitions and casualties, but never in such a concentrated area. It gives a perspective on the mind-boggling scale of the human cost of war.
*Black tears of the sea*
Sound's like something that came out from a horror movie
"Black tears of the Old Ones"
Is this not
Sounds like an scp
Sounds like "The Pirates of Dark Water"
Or a metal album name.
And the 2010 BP Oil Spill discharged about 5 million barrels. Interesting how 'we don`t hear much' about it these days.....
Exactly! What are some scattered leaky ships compared with that F* up?
They can't show us the "lasting damage." What they found out was there are bacterial organisms which feast on oil.
Search on "How Microbes Clean up Oil: Lessons From the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill"
From April 19, 2020
In addition, they cannot show us the "lasting damage" from the Exxon Valdez. Prince Willian Sound is not contaminated as projected when the spill happened.
NATURE TAKES CARE OF ITSELF.
@@jimpeel yeah. Spill more oil. Nature loves it so much. Delicious.
Crude Oil, not 1940s gasoline.
Yeah I wonder why we don't hear a lot about 2010 in 2021
Cleaning this up would be a fantastic engineering project.
Not really. It will be a fantastic political achievement.
@Pool Bal Thanks buddy.
@@wulung5943 You might be spot on.
@@wulung5943 Having over a dozen letters behind my name and 21 years of experience in marine and automotive engineering, I cede to your 'not really'
@TheCamshafter I agree. Being a European this is what frustrates me about the EU, an organisation that should really be doing more of these sorts of capital projects to pull countries together, I don't think Germans would mind funding projects like this to be honest, especially if German companies got contracts. This sort of project needs a Boyan Slat type figure to make a lot of noise and draw attention to it. There were at least four areas that made me think that this could be done better by a designated buro. 1) The prohibitive cost now 2) we couldn't extract it all 3) we left those tanks near the magazines 4) the steel was still thick enough to mount a valve on. I'm sure its not an easy thing to do, variation in depth and pressure is a pain, but I'm sure things could be done cheaper, quicker and safely. Failing an engineering solution then $3m was the cost to cap U- 864 which sank with around 70 tonnes of mercury aboard, if anything really is so dangerous then this is also an option. There are 9 nuclear subs in Davy Jones' Locker too.
I’ve been living in Gdynia my whole life I remember back in the day I would swim in our beloved Bałtyk every summer but I don’t do that anymore for like past 10 years. It’s depressing to watch our bay becoming an ecological catastrophe.
As a young person becoming more aware of their world every day I'm constantly feeling like a new tenant in an apartment. Finding yet another stack of plates hidden under old clothes from the last tenant and just thinking "C'mon, guys! You can't just hide this crap and hope it goes away!" Ugh!"
Except the "plates" are things like minefields and toxin dumps.
cry about it
@@deadspyder duh 🤨
stacks of plates hidden under old clothes? what kind of apartments have you rented?..
DW documentaries are amazing. they seem less bias, very informative and not too fancy. I hope they keep up the good work
Sure, public television man, it's the best.
@@robertmcmanus636 beats staring at a blank wall
O make NO mistake... they are bias and in fact are more bias than most. They just hide it well... most of the time!
there is a difference between factual bias and proper perspective. Like the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the gulf of mexico for one. One doesnt need to lie to be deceptive. Less than all the truth will do it.
I know what you mean. It's infuriating when learning, to have political bias added to the mix. Too many refuse to just give the facts, and let people decide for themselves.
The earth: *dying*
Billionaires: "Mars will be habitable in the near future"
Karma. It will never be livable.
Lol that's what you get when you let 1 percent of the population control the resources.
Billionaires: OH and you're NOT invited.
The earth isn't dying. Literally everything we have on this planet - including what we call toxic and pollution - originated from the earth and it will return to the earth. The earth doesn't care.. it's us that doesn't like it around us.
@@cpvsgvmnt2116 Yes, lets just throw away millions of years of evolution because we need to go nowhere fast.
This documentary was very well done. Thank you.
Hi @RuleofFive, thanks for watching!
@@DWDocumentary Dear DW team, I am a bit confused as to how you came up with your 'ticking time bomb' assessment. Miss Lisa Symons co-published a paper in 2014, stating that 'Although there are approximately 20,000 shipwrecks in U.S. waters, we now know that most of them are unlikely to be substantial pollution threats.' and further 'NOAA can now state that the coastline of the U.S. is not littered with “ticking time bombs” as previously believed. This assessment puts reliable bounds on the potential oil pollution threats from wrecks and helps delineate a path for determining risk for wrecks with as yet unconfirmed locations.' How does one reconcile the statement from the documentary with these findings of her? For anyone interested, the paper is called 'The Remediation of Underwater Legacy Environmental Threats (RULET) Risk Assessment for Potentially Polluting Shipwrecks in U.S. Waters'.
@@Max-nd7se You have answered your own question. "Although there are approximately 20,000 shipwrecks in ***U.S. waters***, we now know that most of them are unlikely to be substantial pollution threats," "NOAA can now state that the coastline of the ***U.S.*** is not littered with 'ticking time bombs' as previously believed." This documentary takes place off the coast of Poland from what I could gather. It's an easy thing to overlook, and I see your confusion, so I hope this helps. :)
@@TakkoSaur Thanks for having a look! I am afraid this is not off the coast of Poland. At 19:40 you can see that they are referring to ships sunk in US waters. Hence my questions remains unanswered
@@Max-nd7se my bad, I went back to the beginning of the video and that's where I got that. Thanks for pointing that out to me!
I'd imagine that BLOWING UP THE SHIP while it was already at the bottom was not that great of an idea...
Well it was a plan devised by communists. Its by default not a great idea.
Arthur Peters, Agreed it was not a good idea. But what makes it worse is that it is a war grave. The ship was loaded with wounded at the time it sailed out to sink. Matters not what country the ship was from, it should have been treated as a war grave and given respect.
@@HalIOfFamer you realise greedy capitalists have done exactly the same to shipwrecks all round the world lol
@@theswagman1263 no, I don't, but if you want me to believe you provide *sauce*.
@@HalIOfFamer I mean. You can google.
I dont care for politics. On a country basis all the Majors have done unser water detonations of wrecked ships/munitions.
Not to mention you are acting like non commies cant be dumbasses. You will find in life, especially within military high com, there are alot of bumbling idiots who can hardly rub two brain cells together without starting a cluster fuck.
DW has a reputation of producing high quality documentaries consistently
yeah, they are pretty great
BBC makes great nature documentaries yet I never see so many fake comments about how glorious they are. Only DW
This is a dramatic flop of a film, much like dw''s climate change doom documentaries. This one fails because the film maker has never bothered to read about oil seep. Look it up now- OIL SEEP. The earth naturally releases oil to the surface every day and yes, the sea dilutes it. The amounts of oil in all the wrecks lying on the bottom of the sea is nothing in comparison to what the earth puts into the sea.
Honestly, I'm so sick and tired of propaganda from the left re "collective action". The only tremendous collective action was when the world united against the national socialists.
The German far right is constantly polemisizing and trolling against Public Broadcasting Services, DW being one of them, calling them fake news, and you know, they're sponsored by Russia. Very unfortunate, that Russia has become a major agent of disfunctionality, from Syria, the destruction of huge parts of the arctic in their own country, cyber attacks and active interference in the political process of presently - or, as in the case of the USA - formerly functional civil societies, also called democracies.... just to mention a few
Well bud this one is has dumb has they come .. what a load of horse manure !!!!
DW documentaries are amazing. Yesterday watched living in the sea. Great work. Keep it up.
Kudos to Norwegian authorities for taking proactive step rather than wait and watch
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@@DWDocumentary
I also watched children of jihad, one documentary about processing coffee locally in Africa.
yea america is doomed continent europe has more a of a down to literaly earth about everything
90% plus of the fuel carried by WW2 ships was bunkerC.
It's very heavy. Heavier than water.
That's why it's in the sand, on the seabed and not floating onto beaches.
Exxon Valdez was carrying light sweet crude, which floats on water
The comparison is apples/oranges, and deceptive.
Well, fear sells, the left media knows that all too well.
@@a.c.4054 Ever seen right wing media?
Did you know that naturally occurring oil seeps from the seafloor are the largest source of oil entering the world ocean? In fact, they account for nearly half of the oil released into the ocean environment every year. So even if you cleaned up all the wrecks, there will be and will continue to be oil seeping into the ocean from the ocean floor.
Ah yes, half the oil is naturally seeping so let's just keep the problem and not do something about it, leaving it be twice as bad as it should be
@@cesaroliveira1982 No where in my reply did I say not to do anything. I am merely stating that oil does seep naturally from the environment itself. So try not to be like the mass media and twists words around to create a content that does not exist.
@@Benglator1 Humanity really is heading to self annihilation though. All it's going to take is the day to come when the Earth hits it's breaking point. No one can say when that day will come and there are multiple possible things that could happen to cause things to go to $#!+. If the air pollution gets bad enough, people will just start suffocating and drop dead in seconds in mass. We could run out of certain particularly rare resources that are important for certain industries and that would cause industries to collapse, which would obviously have negative sociological consequences down the line causing people to go nuts. We achieved the ability to kill basically everyone with a handful of bombs a long time ago. (which is why we have proxy wars now and no one wants to use nukes anymore.) The society is all about money. It's a simple equation. You need money. To get money you have to work. Work is intrinsically meaningless because, no one actually specifically cares about or remembers what gets done. Your trading what's real ( The Earth and your Life) for Illusions (society and money). Giving everything to someone else only for no one to care in exchange for Instant gratification, comfort and complacency, instead of doing things for yourself, because doing things for yourself is much more difficult and society has set in place barriers to stop people from being able to break away from it and for anyone to live self sufficiently. Many people go insane anyway, but they're so engrossed in the great illusion that they don't even realize that they're wasting everything and taking everything for granted. I'm not writing this to be a fear monger or nihilist. It's simply the current state and situation that basicaly everyone is exsisting under. We're converting everything into garbage and constantly mixing everything in exsistence with everything else way beyond the point of no return from things that are large and recognizable like a car or phone to the microscopic and imperceptible like all the plastic that has disintigrated into tiny particles and noxious gases constantly being released all over the world 24/7. We have way too many people that have been indoctrinated and conditioned (basically brain washed) into being hedonists constantly seeking pleasure at all costs and selfishness is the name of the game. All anyone really cares about is their own happiness and life while others are secondary background characters. Your creativity is worthless regardless of your objective skill and passion unless you can break through into the mainstream and become popular, while only a very small group of people are basically worshipped for actually contributing very little to anyone other then giving people momentary subjective pleasure... I could go on, but it's my bed time. 😆
I love how they overlook this as well as ignore hydrocarbonoclastic bacterias that do exist and consume oil
@@lumberjackzac ??? That is irrelivant to the situation. The word "Oil" is a generalization. You can consume oil. You act like these bacteria are everywhere and abundant enough to make all the petroleum disappear. It's very misguided. There are 7 known species of bacteria that *can* consume *parts* of petroleum breaking it down into singular constituent elements. However, it not a solution and they don't make it just make it all disapear. Basically they eat hydrogen and carbon but nothing says they have to target petroleum specifically. The bactria has to be baaically implanted into the petroleum with no other option but to stay there and eat it.
I appreciate factual representation without overt bias and dramatic flair. Good show. I can't recall a WW2 documentary ever citing residual fuels as an environmental hazard. I wonder if anyone was championing this cause during the war.
Probably more concerned with not being killed in the short term than worrying about the environmental impact a century later.
Yeah I think there was alot bigger problems at the time
You're kidding right?
This is a joke right?
Was a bit dramatic tbh
The attitude right now is we'll not going to deal with this, it's too expensive, too complicated ,too much time yadda yadda yadda, let's next generation deal with this crap..
its always got to do with politics, politicians dont do crap if it doesnt affect them, its out of sight out of mind for them, also most countries, especially USA prefer making bombs to kill each other now than fix something that will kill us later
If there is a next generation.
There is no such thing as the next generation, war is good for lots of things and the planet is long overdue a good world war that culls large parts of the population. On a human level I obviously think war is terrible, these wrecks will never be touched and we will just live with the consequences.
We are the next generation that have to deal with this.
@@speedibusrex 😂😂😂
Finally someone else other than me is concerned about the oil and diesel in these sunken WWII ships leaking into the ocean!!!!
There is someone else tho, but he died after shooting himself in the head
I would be more concerned about the millions of tons on chemical, biological and neurological weapons tossed into the ocean.
@@Thenotfunnyperson don’t worry I’ll handle it ✋
Don't panic about it at all, oil leaks from the sea bed all the time, shallow oil and gas reservours permeate through, the oil just spreads out, disperses and eventually breaks down, this is just sensationalism.
I was just watching a thing about the stockpiles of chemical weapons after the two world wars being largely dumped in the ocean, notably the North Sea, just train loads and train loads, untold amounts, nobody knows the full extent of how much and where, just that it was a monumental task over a long period.
Over 32,000 ships sunk in WWII by far the vast majority of the oil has already escaped them in the past 76 years.
Even after war there still is destruction this should give all of us a reason to pursue peace
"If you want peace, prepare for war"...
@@pureafrican4432 Ever hear of Karma?
A P big government hate peace.
World's largest arms dealer will not like peace
There will never be peace on this planet, whilst America is still alive.
Good for Poland!
While I was a kid, I lived in Sakhalin Russia for 2.5 years. There was a seaport where Japan ships would lineup awaiting to get loaded with wood logs.The very first year I was there, locals had plenty of fish to catch, until one of those ship (previously sunken near by the port) started to loose oil and wood log load in the water.
Japan insurance company figures it was not economical to salvage the ship, and just left it behind there. My dad had a team of divers there at the time and proposed to lift the ship up so it could be salvaged or properly scraped. The local government denied the proposal. Soon after, ecologically disaster happened - entire shore line was laid with massive wood logs, then with oil clumps. Local could hardly catch any fish. The health of the fish they did catch was also very questionable and most likely toxic.
Russians? The same ones responsible for Chernobyl and the Aral Sea disaster? Eat that fish. It's good for you.
based
I've always been a history buff, and World War II had always been my main subject. I had always wondered about the horror of the materials lost with each attack and now to see that culmination is pretty sad.
All that material gone and such a toxic legacy to leave generations to come. War is terrible in every sense of the word.
Nah its definitely worth having real war since we get cool video games. Call of duty, battlefield, total war, halo.
@@duskyracer8800 cringe post, don't post more.
It's immoral. World leaders throwing a tantrum as a child would. But instead of throwing a toy fire truck, they throw lives and lay waste on such a scale that generation of people will still suffer the aftermath
Without war we would all be speaking german. A little oil in the oceans is not as bad as the alternative.
@@pluto8404 i definitely prefer drag queen story hour to speaking german! god forbid, what a horrible language.
In war, there are no winners, there is just tragedy, for the duration and long after the war is over.
What are you smoking, of course there are victors.
Can you pass the boof? There is always victors in wars, its those who write history
@@rickmarinara5179 I think their point was that even the "victors" have to bear the persistent consequences of war and pay the cost like that win was bought on VISA and the interest never goes away
Bankers and those in the military indrustial complex industry wins
DW documentary is the future I spend 1 hour to watch something from this channel every day, it has really helped me a lot
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@@Siliconson 77% is also pretty good, right?
Eisen59 right
@@DWDocumentary Not many Docs like yours anymore.. most countries want to keep people dumb
Makes sense why atlantians hate surface dwellers
All of those people on beach must be able to hold their breath to great depths.
@wagner1va Maybe it's you
Prince Namor often raged about this, even Aquaman wasnt happy about polluted oceans.
But we sent them all this oil for FREE
You mean those cephalopod guys that were probably leaving for space when we had our little "Battle of Los Angeles" lightshow?
I initially thought: "Wow a documentary about sunken ships, cool!"
Only to be imediatly greeted with bone-chilling shots of submechanophobia fuel. I hate myself. Very well produced by the way!
i thought it was about ships with bombs about to explode.... wrong type of explosion i guess. i regret knowing this too.
@@ILOVEMARILYNMANSON89 yeah same, i thought it was about unexploded mutions and bombs.
Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?
Flex Seal, we need you!!!
I dare, NO double dog dare him to fix this one!!!!!
"I sawed this boat in half"
It is Indeed their moment to shine
that's Alot of damage
And it even works… underwater!
I absolutely love documentaries like this!!! They help shine light on subjects like this one, they help open our eyes and we can learn from them.
Please keep this kind of content coming 🙏
Several thousand ships were sunk during WW2. Many, especially tankers would have disintegrated when bombed or torpedoed and dumped their fuel into the ocean, and many of them close to land. German Uboats sank a number of oil tankers within sight of the American coast! Did they cause an environmental catastrophe then? NO! Why then should they do so now?
These people should stop trying to manufacture a problem where none exists!
Regarding the wreck near the Polish coast, the guy was concerned that the heavy oil was flowing downhill! Well dang!! He should have been delighted. If its flowing downhill it ain't gonna suddenly turn around and flow UPHILL to trash his beach, is it??
Serve the politician a plate of that toxic sludge and ask if he has eaten any fish from the Baltic lately...
I have a better idea; Serve him/her a plate of sea food from that region, then after they and the concierge of attendees have finished dining, bring out dessert: A plate of toxic sludge, then tell them it came from the same place as the fish they just ate. Then see what can be done to make them realise.
@@brothermaleuspraetor9505 im sure none eat the fish
Oooo la la . . . . 💀
At least we can blame hitler.
@@quinlanal-aziz6155 you obviously need to do some SERIOUS research, it's the small hats responsible for all the major wars in the last century
A weird thing to see a bay of my area (Gdansk) to be featured here. In Poland it's generally widely accepted that we have a huge problem with chemicals (combat gases cannisters, fuel, industrial waste) that were dumped in the bay by Germans (most of it, due to their retreat) and Russians(to the lesser extent after the war). We also have a local conflict with Germans about reparations for WW2 (it's stupid but that's a different matter). I think the only thing Germans should do these days is to help us clean up this mess or else it will turn Baltic Sea into a toxic graveyard. Poland can't deal with it by itself - there's too much of too fragile containers for us to deal with.
Yes. I wonder why DW doesnt say anything about chemical weapons sunk there...
Germany signed in contract that the eastern provinces will be accepted as polish and Poland accepted there won't be reparations. You take the land you keep the problems. C'est la vie
@@deinemutter2476 Problem is - it's not just our problem but of every country with a baltic coast. Most affected will be obviously Poland and Sweden (due to the way water flows in the Baltic sea) but Germany still has a significant coast here last time I checked. I couldn't care less about the reparations but when you hear all that crap about ecology and conveniently ignore the biggest ecological issue of the century for the region, it makes you vomit.
Btw, Poland signed it not out of free will but due to "influence" of USSR when we were actually still occupied by their "liberation forces" - but I still think we should just drop the issue since it's way past the time + we got the better deal in the end (less developed lands in the east in exchange for the well developed lands in the west).
The sad part it may be to late .
You know ive been a diver sense i was 16 i am 70 now .
I have often wondered when people going to wake up . Before it turns into a disaster
The people aren't the problem. And the people will never be the solution because people will never consider something that is out of their realm. I think one of the bigger issues might actually be maritime law. Because I don't see a reason why somebody wouldn't salvage all these ships and oil already. The only reason I can see is that there's an ownership issue. For instance maybe the UK wants to sell these locations and people that are going to salvage it don't see this as profitable.
Sometimes I wonder why people don't appreciate this gift of mother 🌍. Thanks DW for such a wonderful and educative documentary.
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While we are making this planet uninhabitable, we are trying to make mars into liveable..
You just answered ur own question, we need to conquer Mars cuz we cant take care of what he have right now. Its absolutely crucial that we go the moon and mars asap and thn move further out. Luckily the universe is big, hopefully we can find a way to reach it
@@chris-hu7tm The only problem is we can destroy faster than we can create.
That is nothing but a fairytale. You cannot go to "Mars."
@Ros3NburG true..
We Humans are our own worst enemy not to mention the environment we live in all for the sake of Greed and Power 😖
I've seen enough X-files to know where this is going.
Glad I'm not the only one who saw this reference
lmfao that’s the first thing I thought when I saw that black sludge. Good memories
I have the feeling this documentary will be useful in the near future when politicians come with the "we had no idea" answer.
Most people don’t realize how delicate an ecosystem the ocean is. Let’s not concern ourselves with these issues, let’s spend more money on the defense budget. Hideous
yeah, most countries NEED a decently large defense budget
@@PASBGR I mean the video said for a project like this it would cost 30 millions.. Who is gonna pay that? I am pretty sure some people care but they cannot afford all this money since governments etc. don't care
@@mariapriest4106
That is the yearly wage of CEO Boby Kotick. He currently has a war with his shareholders, who are infuriated with his rapidly increasing pay.
The finances are there, but the initiative is not.
Society simply DO NOT care. I already know this things. I am just pointing it out to the man claiming "people are not educated". People know about those issues, and probably WAY BETTER THAN US. How should I put it - they simply dont give a shit. Its not their problem. They are not fishermen.
This kind of thinking, is a cultural byproduct from capitalism and the monetary system. This kind of problems will never be solved, unless you make it their problem in some way directly. Thats how the game of money works.
Thomas Weatherford yes ,because people’s lives are more important than the fish you eat.
Always more money for the system that promotes death and destruction.
This is a fascinating insight into a problem that I never even knew existed, let alone that is poses such a huge environmental issue!
The proximity to coastlines and the sheer quantities of wrecks emphasises the extent of the threat, and the fact that even without postwar metal scavenging, these wrecks and the vehicles and barrels within have detetiorated to the extent that leaks will be a certainty.
When government agencies say that they can't deal with it, they have the choice to do so prior to catastrophic environmental disasters or during them!
Extracting bunker oils from wrecks is a well known salvaging process, doing so under the most controlled conditions possible is preferable to the alternative...
Whilst those sunken vessels have largely been forgotten, their hazardous cargo remains a high level threat that simply cannot be ignored.
There exists sufficient subsea oil extraction expertise and technology to ensure that these missions can be undertaken with a high degree of success.
The elephant in the room is who pays for it?
This is only poland imagine the pacific and the atlantic...
It should pay for itself if there is a significant amount of material to be retreived.
There isn't.
Don't worry about it.
I heard Trump say he was gonna make mexico pay for it
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@@jy9291 That is quite literally not how that works.
I don't know why I even bother watching these documentaries any more. The story is always the same.
Scientists: "This is a catastrophy waiting to happen"
Governments: "It'S tOo ExPeNsIvE"
Yet the government says we have to spend trillions on global warming. The government was paid off by the companies responsible for this mess.
Government: spends billions in weapons and space.
the Stuttgart case, honestly trying to clean it will probably cause even more harm
More harm than letting all that oil leak out?
@@RuleofFive Mineral oil was never allowed to be pumped up due to it being too toxic.
Wow just wow. I didn't know that there are so many shipwrecked in the seas. Let alone knowing how much oil still residing within them.
Thank you for this documentary.
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You're welcome! We're glad you found the documentary eye-opening and thanks for watching and commenting. Be sure to check out our channel for more documentaries.
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There is no secret steel or iron ship wrecks. During the Cold War, most larger navies plotted these shipwrecks using anti submarine magnetic detection equipment. The purpose was to not be distracted by a wreck when looking for submarines. The wrecks magnetic footprint (how much steel) was also calculated so a submarine couldn't rest on the bottom next to a wreck and avoid detection. In the USN, we had charts of all the shipwrecks, and their names, along with a book with all their info, including much later "found" wrecks like the Titanic. But the charts and info was classified.
During war, warships were kept as full of fuel as possible. Most warships probably had 50% or more fuel on board. Civilian ships were fueled to make the trip, but also by the availability of fuel in different ports. Ships leaving the US were usually as full as possible. Submarines going on long patrols carried additional diesel in some of their ballast tanks. Often when sinking, the ships leaked oil and burned. Bunker oil of WWII will turn tar like in really cold, deep waters and may never be an issue.
The Coast Guard doesn't pump out the fuel. A marine salvage company with highly skilled divers does the job.
A good documentary. My comment isn't meant to be critical.
My dream was always to go on a large ship in the ocean, I wish you can take me to a trip thank you for the information Ocean Mariner mister. m(_ _)m
Yeah, the Navy didn't chart ALL the wrecks, they charted SOME of the wrecks. Really, it was just the ones in the busiest shipping lanes, where submarines would be more active. Lesser used routes or less patrolled routes didn't warrant the same scrutiny.
Amazing work by DW Documentary, we all need more videos like this. There are a large number of environmental threats left by humans until now and the government keeps ignoring and even covering them, the world really needs to see how profound these problems are and what we should take into account and implement before we have to endure a series of extremely bad outcomes.
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better to leave these ships alone than to do anything. not worth throwing money on somthing that does not mather and somthing that will fix itself later. + shipwrecks are good for the ocean. the shit onboard the wrecks sure aint but that shit will fix itself over time. always remember Life finds a way
From NOAA-
“Did you know that naturally occurring oil seeps from the seafloor are the largest source of oil entering the world ocean? In fact, they account for nearly half of the oil released into the ocean environment every year.
Seeps occur when crude oil leaks from fractures in the seafloor or rises up through seafloor sediments, in much the same way that a freshwater spring brings water to the surface. NOAA's Office of Response and Restoration (OR&R) is interested in oil seeps because they are predictable places to observe oil behavior. In Santa Barbara, California, where many natural seeps are found, OR&R trains aerial observers, calibrates trajectory models, and performs other tasks to determine how weather, wind, tides, and currents affect oil movement.”
Somebody better start a lawsuit against Mother Nature to clean up her mess.
Also, I thought we were running out of oil?
@@richardcranium3579 no no you see, we are running out of oil to fuel the sci fi dreams of our dear overlords. Us useless eaters need to stop having civilization and move into our freezing 15 minute city hovels, have no kids or family and die. So our social superiors can live lives of unparalleled luxury and innovation, its the green thing to do.
One of the best video's I have seen dealing with the problems of sunken ships. Many ships sunk during WW 2 carried explosives which are time bombs waiting to go off.
All the oil from every WWII ship ever wouldn't add up to 2% of what BP did to the Gulf of Mexico.
Actually it is more like round about 20x the Gulf spill.
@@Flex2212 where did you get them numbers ? Lol,,,
Thank you !!
@@bustersmith5569 For example, a cleveland class light cruiser had a bunkerage of ~2100 tons(fuel oil). Wouldn't have been full, but that's around 565,000 gallons at max capacity. Each major naval power(Japan, U.S., Commonwealth, France, Germany, Italy) lost quite a few warships, both larger and smaller than a light cruiser.
It's probably more realistic to go way over OPs claim. Keep in mind that every side was also targeting merchant ships of enemy powers. The merchant losses in WW2 were HUGE. The US alone counted up about 1700 merchant ships lost for various reasons, and Japan probably had a similarly high toll. England was also an island nation, the wolfpacks were only REALLY in swing for a year or two(as opposed to U.S. subs which as the war went on became more and more numerous), and the allies had access to virtually unlimited fuel(lack thereof greatly reduced Germany/Japan's ability to escort their merchantmen).
BP disaster was vastly exaggerated at the time!
I'm loving the overdub. The guy is talking calmly in Polish and the narration "FULL STOP! WE'RE THERE!"
Classic American voiceover - designed for speaking to 5 year olds.
"All forms of life have been eradicated"
Meanwhile: oysters growing all over the place
Are you saying youre okay with being an oyster
There's also all of the live deteriorating unexploded ordinance (mainly thanks to the war) tucked away within these old wrecks, so I guess you can that they are a ticking timebomb, both metaphorically & physically. Even with all the water, the ordinance could still go off if triggered accidentally, by something like a collapse of the wreck. The likely detonation of which would probably deal both physical & ecological devastation on the surrounding marine life & environment, as the fuel might intensify the reaction, and be spread further by it.
You do realize that an underwater explosion of that scale is effectively trivial, right?
Most of the fuzes on those munitions have corroded away.
Personally, i'd hope the explosives are a bit more manageable. They're severely waterlogged (though that might not help much. Naval explosives deal well with water) and more importantly a number of bacteria speceis view energetic nitrates used to make some explosives as very calorie rich foods. They likely biodegrade, but do so like a big hunk of cheese: slowly, and only along the surface in places where the wrapper (bomb casing) is already ruptured.
It has been nearly a hundred years now though. I'd bet there isn't much left at this point.
@@Geolaminar You would think research would be done to study how dangerous these lost explosives from both world wars are in this day and age.
After the BBC and National Geographic DW makes the best documentaries. I have been following them since the early 90's on satellite TV and it has been interesting watching this channel grow.
They should be able to siphon the oil out and into a holding tank on a barge. If the oil gets out, it would be far more difficult if possible at all, but as long as the oil is together they should be able to simply pump and store it before it disburses.
Make it economically rewarding for a company to retrieve and refine this oil, and the problem will be handled quickly, I believe.
Maybe an X Prize type of competition?
The value of the oil is way to low and its often not pure enough to be used
Also fraud could be done
you can't just snap your fingers and make something economically viable. someone somewhere would be losing money. it sounds like you're suggesting it should be taxpayers. no thanks. how bout mega corporations and insurance companies
@@Zreknarf maybe you missed the last part of my comment in your blind rage to make a political statement.
The "X Prize" concept literally provides the economic and bragging rights incentive for many industry breakthroughs.
Not governments. Definitely not parties or specific companies.
@@PWN_Nation mega corporations and insurance companies should be held responsible for the consequences of their actions. it's expensive to recover stuff from the ocean floor. an xprize isn't going to change that.
Watching equipment being thrown overboard in old WW2, and Vietnam videos was an absolute crazy thing to do.
In Vietnam alot of those videos were so people could be evacuated out of Vietnam.
@@theshadesofreal9372 it was either take a helicopter or another 100 people, which do you think was right?
@@apleknight411 Its so hard to tell on the internet, but if you are thinking I'm saying the helicopters should have stayed, I apologize for the misunderstanding. My Great Grandmother and Grandmother were some of the people that made it out BECAUSE of that. Sacrifice replaceable equipment to save human lives? Excellent Choice
Is there also natural seepage from underwater oil wells? I think I have read that somewhere and that is quite alot..
The Earth is pretty leaky and I heard an estimate of the amount of oil that comes
up through cracks in the sea bed. It was a pretty scary number.
Lots actually. What they omit to mention is that there are plenty of bacteria/microorganisms that thrive on the stuff. They are also very quick and efficient. The best course of action is to leave sunken vessels alone. Nature can easily deal with slow leakage of even very toxic materials. Disturbing those boats run the risk of overwhelming the local environment and pose a danger to the operators.
Description of California coastal waters for navigation include several places that oil bubbles to the surface, a well as specific instructions to NOT notify the coast guard because this is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Hope this helps.
Natural leaks occur all over the world but generally its very different to what man creates
@@markmitchell450 different in what way? Evidence that it's not something that nature is currently in process of fixing for us? For example, the "great Pacific garbage patch" is actually NOT a huge floating island of debris, and there are micro organisms that feast on human garbage particles one they're of a certain size that they will naturally reach through weathering in the ocean, such that the smallest particles cease to exist. Instead of cleaning UP all the trash, it's quite likely we just need to do a better job of shredding it before it makes it in the ocean.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for better behavior by people, I just don't subscribe to "end of the planet" fear porn that's always, ALWAYS proven wrong.
With respect, slow seepage of crude oil from wrecks represent no more of a threat to the environment than the countless of Earth's natural oil seepages from deep and shallow oceanic crevices.
Worth noting, as to oil biodegradability, I had the honour of knowing Captain Brent Pyburn who was mainly responsible for the clean up after the Exxon Valdez disaster, so I do have an appreciation of what environmental scale damage can occur.
Redistributing resources from one part of the world to another is clearly destructive to any or all environment s. Oil exists in the ocean, but to a degree. Having oil spilled into the ocean without pause for an hundred years and more can be destructive for all of us and the planet.
@@acetek2 with respect of course
There are naturally occurring bacteria that eat the oil. This is a ridiculous premise.
Thanks for posting this DW channel 💖
I'm moved by how intense the understanding of how grand this discovery was. I absolutely love the thermal imaging map of the sea bed to give a better visual. Always been a bit of a visual learner myself so I'm literlly sitting at the edge of my bed greatly curious about this one. 👀😲🍿🥂
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Thank you for a great documentary. Glen Martin
Didn’t even know never even thought about that kinda stuff
Love finding these documentaries this types of issues should be more mainstream
One of the biggest roadblocks in trying to address this is the cultural idea that they should be left alone as underwater cemeteries. As someone whose family is heavily involved in the military I can tell you this view is still extremely strong. People would be happy for the dangerous fuel etc to be cleaned up, but they will be very oppositional until you can convince them that it won't desecrate the site. Part of the problem is most have never seen a wreck. They picture it in a perpetual state, there for eternity, but the reality is they're disappearing whether we touch them or not
Isn’t the oil and other pollutants in a way desecrating the site? Perhaps that could be part of an argument used? If I was at rest in a site that was contaminating a valuable and cherished area, I wouldn’t want my legacy to be an untouchable crisis- I’d want the living to be put first… but that’s just one perspective and it’s not as important as the families whose loved ones are involved in situations like this. What are your thoughts?
@@mikalin9286 personally, I agree with you, but unfortunately I think a lot turn a blind eye to that. It's an uncomfortable truth, and they'd rather pretend it doesn't exist. Maybe good education might help, but I'm fairly doubtful sadly :(
@@DreamBelief I appreciate your response. Good education only goes so far when it challenges traditional understandings of memorialization/death culture in my experiences as well. I think there is some hope when we look at how the death industry has changed over the last few hundred years- embalming, medical examiner’s, the general distancing of ourselves from loved ones bodies after death (at least in the US) and the more recent push by some for less traditional death plans (human composting/natural burials/treepods). There is, at the very least, practices happening now that could act as examples for relocating memorials respectfully.
@@mikalin9286 I definitely agree that things are improving. The backlash is definitely lower than it was in the past, and a higher proportion are willing to listen and compromise. Defence attitudes themselves are changing fast too, including towards environmental damage that defence used to not care about and not try to avoid, so there is definitely hope and room to work on it. Unfortunately, it's not getting attention though (not helped by the fact that, at least for Australia, many sites are confidential or hidden, so no one can even go to see the damage). Even further issues come with the issue of people (usually under extreme poverty) salvaging metal from these sites, which would definitely increase the risk of spills etc
It's not helped by the ignorance regarding the ocean even amongst naval personnel. You wouldn't believe how many think that things on the bottom, won't drift or decompose (of course, there are very specific situations in this category, but they are few and far between)
Thank you so much for discussing this respectfully. It can be nasty on CZcams, so I always value when people are mature and respectful.
Lol who gives a crap. They are dead no one cares.
If you want a genuin 'timebomb' wreck (not to dissmiss the danger of these oil wrecks) look at the SS Richard Montgomery; she sank in the Thames estuary in 1943, only half of her cargo was able to be removed and she rests at only 15m deep in the middle of one of the busiest shipping ports in Europe and surounded by East London.
Right now its estimated she holds 1,400 tons of TNT including 6,650x 500-2,000lb bombs and 2,815 cluster bombs...which were stored with their fuses in situe...
The moment personal subs become under a k that shit is going to get set off by some drunk idiot
Looks like they’re planning to remove the exposed masts as of this year to reduce structural collapse risk detonating the munitions. Seems like a bandaid measure at best for a ticking time bomb.
I've been thinking about this alot honestly it's nice to see some info on the problem for once.
If every under water wreck spilled its chemicals and oil into the ocean simultaneously, it still wouldn't come close to the BP Deep Water Horizon Oil spill in 2010. The BP oil continues polluting the gulf even today. I appreciate the effort and insight into this interesting issue, but our biggest concern is not old wreckage, but new oil disasters which will inevitably occur. This documentary is a focus on the appetizer, not the meat and potatoes.
I see what you are saying, but I would say this is potentially up for debate. While there is no question that modern oil spills, especially the one you mentioned, would be a far larger amount of oil when comparing old to new, it isn't necessarily the only factor to consider. Mainly the type of oil involved.
Modern oil, while there is more of it, is far easier and safer to clean up than the old types found in these old ships.
Generally speaking newer oil can either be drained out of vessel by just opening up a hole and having a funnel over that hole, or taken off of the surface of the water by a skimming system. Not saying that this is good at all, but it is at least more easily doable. Older oil on the other hand, is far more toxic, and can be extremely difficult to even attempt to gather. As shown in the video, it can actually mix with sea water, making it a thick substance that is much harder to gather. It can also just basically merge with the sea bed, making it almost impossible to actually clean up.
This has actually been seen when a Korean war shipwreck began leaking oil, and needed to be cleared up. The oil was described as being like peanut butter, and actually had to be heated in order for it to seperate and be collected properly.
So not saying that the older oil in these vessels is definitely a bigger problem, but it is at least somewhat debatable. Modern oil spills definitely win (for lack of a better word), when it comes to quantity, but older oil spills have other factors to them, that make them possibly far worse to deal with.
Yes clean it up but don't make such a big deal about it , make and upside down funnel above the leaks that captures the oil , run a hose up to the surface with a float and collect the leaking oil periodically
I'm no expert, but I've been been wondering about this for decades. All you need to do is add up the known wrecks and their cargoes to know this is a major long-term issue.
It really isn't, though.
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Because there are bacteria that feed on oil, and even if there weren't, there is not enough oil on these wrecks to constitute even an environmental hiccup. If unexploded munitions go off, the ecological damage will be negligible. Moreover, as time passes, saltwater corrosion will tender any fuzed munitions inert, eliminating any chance of an accidental detonation. Science is a powerful tool against fearmongering.
Dw always has some great documentaries
Hi @john doe,
Glad you think so! Stay tuned. (:
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The DW Documentary Team
Very interesting documentary indeed, so thank you for the upload. I did not realize the extent of the damage already caused and the potential future damage that may be caused from these sunken vessels. Undoubtedly assigning responsibility will be problematic, e.g. Who owns and has responsibility for the ship? Who caused the ship to sink? Whose waters is the sunken vessel within? If international waters, who is liable? It certainly is a minefield (not trying to be flippant). However, on a more positive note, at least we have these committed experts that are doing their best to deal with the problem. Governments really need to take more action for the world environment and all our futures!
This doesn't really seem like a hard problem to solve for the shallow wrecks. Just pay someone to drill into the wreck and pump out the oil. You might even be able to sell the oil to offset some of the costs. Since the ships are wrecks, just drill the most direct path, whether its through the bottom of the hull or the side. If there is already a leak, just make the hole big and use the collector there.
Catch 22, oil extraction of any kind is dirty business for the environment. Then again, it's going to be exponentially worse to let these wrecks continue to rot.
I wish I could hit the lottery. Because I would definitely put my money to goals like this cleanup. Right away
Ok but, could you set aside a couple thou to get me a couple really nice hookers and a ziploc of blow? Plz.
Fuel? Pf! What about all the chemical warfare ordnance sunk after the war in the Baltic and next to Norway??
For that matter the chemical weapons fills sunk in the Atlantic ocean.
mayn explosives are also really toxic, for example TNT is very poisonous and was used in some bombs
Ultimately due to a dumbass thinking his race was superior tried to conquer the world and failed laughingly .
Obviously they are unaware of the billions of gallons of oil Mother Nature leaks off the California coast. I wonder if you could punch a big hole in the tank and when it comes to the surface suck it up and recycle it?
I don’t disagree but this is focusing on the fuel and oil. That is a whole other problem that needs fixing. So many so so many problems in the ocean and people don’t think about it cause it’s so large and they don’t think it could make a big difference
DW tells a great story thanks you guys!
Thank you for this story! The world has needed to wake up for very long now.
The world won't wake up from this. Society has enslaved us all.
RIP to our future generations 😭
Every politician crossing his/her fingers hoping they don't leak during their tenure and if they do they have along list of predecessors to point fingers at !
FYI there are also a couple of lost nuclear bombs lying around !
@Justus the righteous If they were better people, they wouldn't be politicians.
Bro this is a good documentary for real
Why doesn't this channel have a "Thanks" button to give super thanks? You can get that at 100k subs.
Yeah, and make it available ONLY in knowledgeable videos
Pretty bad the government didn’t care enough but this guy uses his own money and man power to take care of the environment!
Norway doing everything right once again.
And I've always asked myself what happens to all that oil and diesel in those sunken war ships. And now I know, wish I didn't.
Watching these kinds of docs are informative, but they depress me so much
The U.S. Coast Guard does not have the money in their budget to do this kind of work (and probably never will).
These things leak so slow it literally couldn’t be less of an issue. Deep water reserves leak millions of gallons into the water every year
It's a national and global problem, so it's going to require both national and global solutions, as well as the will to take this problem seriously. If Norway can do it, so can Poland, Germany, the USA, and others.
But the US military has enough money to bomb Middle east for 2 decades
@@ainzooalgown7589 But that was to bring FREEEEEDDDOOOMMMM. You ever notice the USA doesn't invade I mean 'liberate' resource poor countries?
@@ptonpc since Germany started the War that produced all of these wrecks - Germany should pay to clean it up
Another great documentary.
Kudos to the narrator btw, it's quite rare to hear names pronounced this closely to their original languages in a documentary narrated in good English too.
The coast guard doesn't have anything near the budget to do anything.... This needs to be handled by a completely separate group with its own budget.
Academic question:
Does anyone have any data on the amount of oil pollution produced from warfare actions during WW2? How does that data compare to the quantity/quality of pollution with this modern problem?
I'm trying to get a sense of relative scale to this impending disaster, since our oceans managed, albeit imperfectly, to survive the pollution we unleashed during the time of warfare.
I think we should request Bill gates for funds to pump out the oils from these sunken ships... He is very kind and generous man, and always ready to give away his money to help the humanity..
I agree, bill should help. Maybe he can even sell the fishes some vaccines against oil infections.
@@user-fs8bb8gh4n hate it when people try to eradicate preventable diseases! The nerve.
Amazing video, I have not really thought about all the oil and other contaminants that are quietly in our seas
Great job Krauts, you chaps make great Doc's.
If we didn't put so much emphasis on fighting each other, we would have the funds and resources to clean it and everything else up. Yet as humans...we're constantly quarreling with each other.
Just because you tried to appease people by only putting pineapple on half the pizza does not relinquish you of the crime of putting it on half.
You live in lala-land. War is a complicated thing and so are humans. It's not as simple as "hurr durr stop fighting", nations, people and governments have agendas and those agendas regularly clash.
@@saopro21 living with blinders on will keep one repeating the same ridiculous things because "that's how it is", "tradition".
It’s a major part of our nature and who we are so crying about why we can’t have world peace is completely ridiculous. This is the way it’s supposed to be and there really isn’t much else to it
Human beings are probably the WORST thing that ever happened to this planet :(
@Proof for East Azn Messiah on this channel
Piss off with the godly thing what a pile of crap that is.And as far as miraculous I wouldn't go that far and saying that but there are people doing good things but not miraculous. Man you religious types are brainwashed so easily. And besides we are the worst thing that ever happened to this planet.
DW, always concise and neutral.
All I can say is, what do you think the after-effects of war, are limited to?
You speak of mutually assured destruction i assume?
Blucher, the first ship the Germans sent to occupy Norway was sunk in the fjord of Oslo 9 April 1940, she has been on the bottom of the fjord ever since. In the 90s most of the oil was removed from the ship to prevent an oil leak. The remaining tanks containing oil are not reachable
Thanks DW. It’s an important issue and everyone who has an access to the Baltic Sea is involved.
Very interesting, thank you.
I have never even thought about about this subject before, has it seems, we are doomed then, as no country wants to take responsibility for for their wreaks.
Very uplifting!
Nice doc
All of these wrecks from the war should have been dealt with years ago knowing the effects of what the chemicals can do
This is less of an issue if the oil is released slowly, overtime and sporadically. The scarey thought is if these ships decide to leak within the same 10-30 year window...
Great video
Nice documentary. DW