What is the 1959 claim line in Ladakh that China has brought up? The motives, strategy & politics
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What is the 1959 claim line China has suddenly brought up again in Ladakh which has been rejected repeatedly by India in 60 years? In episode 583 of #CutTheClutter, Shekhar Gupta explains and checks out China’s likely motives.
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Pls improve video narration with animations...
Look at young kids mohak soch and Dhruv rathee.
Vox. etc.
Your video editing and animation don't do justice to your astonishing experiences and anecdotes.
It's very simple move..."20per work
will result in 80 per. Effectivity". Pareto
@@samirthapa6145 www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2003/07/08/commentary/vajpayee-kowtows-to-china/
LOL. You do not even know what your government has recognized.
@Adam Romanov LOL so people in Nagaland are not considered as humans by you guys, I will take note. Also annexation of Tawang from Tibet in 1951 by force is showing brotherhood. Indians are incredible!
@Adam Romanov You can't even tell the difference between Indonesian and Chinese- and declaring a Sulawesi market as in Wuhan, that's really pathetic. And it seems you are proud of your racism. Goodbye and enjoy your illusion.
Samir Thapa Since you wanna know the truth. Let me tell you India annexed Tibetan Tawang in 1951 militarily, but your media will not tell you this. Media are more interested in popularity rather than hard truth.
When china is accusing India about union territory status of ladakh, why cant India blame china of illegal occupation of Tibet ?
Takes balls and power to do such a thing. India's policy towards China is "appeasement". S. Jaishankar, the Indian MEA, believes China can be a strategic partner, he is willing to kiss Beijing's ass and loves singing the song of "Asian century"(as though China will tolerate India's rise).
Panchsheel agreement. Also India helped in occupation.
The Tibetan government in exhile must first decide if Tibet is under illegal occupation. Until then India has to accept China's claim.
@@aadityamurali18 Well, India(Tibet's only trusted neighbour) gifted Tibet away to China in goodwill. India took the case of Kashmir to the U.N while it said Tibet is China's internal matter and has to be solved by those in Beijing. Russia stopped Mongolia from becoming a part of China while India...just gave Tibet away to appease China. Forget the world, India itself doesn't recognise it's neighbour of thousands of years.
Tibet must be freed from the Chinese occupation and slavary.
Chineese 'friendship' have only brought us a lot heartburns in trade, UN seat, Pakistan and so on. Chineese could beat Indians every day in our minds through this 'friendship'. New found 'enimity' has atleast bought an upbeat and confident mood. Let's enjoy the feeling for sometime, and let 'friendship' build on a later date of mutual convenience.
Precisely! The so called friendship has actually been a smoke screen, while CCP China has always subverted Indian interests everywhere including the UN Security Council Perment Seat and to bring Pakistan's combat capabilities as close as possible to India etc. It's not just hot springs and Aksai that are the concerns of CCP, but they consider India itself as one of their chief adversaries that need to be sorted.
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"so so" seems to be a Pakistani agent and 'Kitty Cat" seems to be a CCP Propaganda account. I love to see them insinuated. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Kitty Cat , who said that Americans are not infiltrated with CCP propaganda agent ? Keep spitting out your senseless rhetoric. In grand scheme of things, your chitter-chatter will get engulfed without any random guy like me having to take any special efforts. 😁😆
UN seat wali baat rumour hai
Maybe that's what Chinese want. For India to divert its limited military budget away from Navy and Indian Ocean and blue economy.
The claim line is just a claim. The entire Aksai Chin is India's. No arguments on that position.
Careless goi allowed surrounded countries to do ventures and sudden actions these people can not accept. When defense minister says we don't have money to upgrade it shows our capabilities
@Sheik Mamed Bux Isn't the amount less when compared to people's lives.
@Sheik Mamed Bux Not an issue. India has the resources to manage it. Indian defence expenditure will go up. Not sure whether Pakistan can catch up with the higher Indian expenditures.
@Sheik Mamed Bux 270 billion what? Peanuts?
Joking? Do you know what Aksai Chin means in local language - China's white-sand beach for thousands of years! So-called India did not in existence then, the area of India was only one quarter of today.
24:29 "Especially since 2014, India's infrastructure in the border region has developed rapidly."
I think it's time to call spade a spade.
A Distinguished Chinese scholar is talking about how Hot Spring areas were used by local Chinese population for healing and then goes on to describe what India has in it's mind. We talk about Chinese pragmatism of proposing a line in 1959 and then only coming to that line in 1962 and withdrawing magnanimously after that. We talk about British power games that drove them to define boundary between India and Tibet, with the Tibetian local administration of that time. The same China which claims the whole of South China Sea, the Same China occupied the Tibet and then try to redefine the boundaries accepted by then local administration, the same China magnanimously gives loans and then defends intelligently the infrastructure where the capital was invested, is now rightly claiming what they have been claiming from decades in India. But then Indian have also been going to Mansarovar for centuries so lets start claiming Mansaoravar. Indian ocean is named after India so lets start claiming it. Many Chinese have been practicing Buddhism so let's start claiming apart from Tibet, part of China was an Indian state. May be in five or six decades some Chinese journalist will be talking same like you Sir, and may describe India's claim with such a sugar coated language with all the intellectual backings of books written and what distinguished Indian professor says in the interviews.
Brits: Here is a line I drew. The area belongs to British Empire.
China: I do not agree. It is mine. Even the name is China's White Beach!
India: Whatever the Brits claim, it is mine!
China: Let's fight for it!
India: No, let's have a stare contest.
Did I summarize the whole situation accurately?
@@jkuang nope, it was tibet :)
@@jkuang What Patil said. Chinese occupation of Tibet is illegal.
@@aconsciousnaut5323 But how do you call Chinese occupation of Tibet is illegal? You called it? UN called it? Tell me exactly you would come to this conclusion that a land is "illegally occupied" how this "illegal occupied land" be legally "un-occupied?" Through what mechanism? How would you carry it out? Do not throw words in Internet and assume that by throwing words that somehow something becomes a reality to your liking.
From Chinese perspective, Tibet is always part of China. It is quite logical: if Tibet was not part of the China, how come Tibet called Beijing the Central Government for so many centuries? And how come Tibet HAD THE NEED to declare independence TWICE with Brits support? Tell me, if a nation is independence, why did it need to declare independence from a foreign entity? It must have a governmental relationship prior to justify such an action right? So the Chinese government, once the Nationalist government (which is now in Taiwan by the way) sent in troop to crush the separation group. And the second time, another Chinese government, the CCP, sent troop to crush the second separation group. Neither government accept the independence. In another word, Tibet was never an independent country FOR A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVADE AND OCCUPY.
So what is your "legical explanation" that Tibet was "illegally" occupied by China? Don't throw words. Use facts.
@@saketpatil1306 Tibet is a name of a region in China. Tibet called Beijing the central government. It tried to declare independence twice with Brits support. But both times got crushed by troops sent from central government. If you can not come up with official document that Chinese agreed to Tibet going independence, then your insistence that Tibet is Tibet is no different than you declare your house independent and will not pay tax. IRS will arrest you and you can keep insisting that you are independent in the jail for as long as you want. LOL :)
Hope the Indian National Congress party will not toe the Nehruvian Line " No grass grows there"
Do you even know in detail what happened in 1962
That was shameful, just imagine how the ladkhis feel
@@kashmani8029 It took at least a year to built a road there. That means India did not even patrol the area.
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@@sosoable
welcome idiot
Good Evening sir... Happy to see u on so crucial topic I was waiting, 😌
Yesterday I requested to Gupta ji on 1959 claim line. Now he delivered it with crystal clear decluttering.
Historically Ladakh has been part of Tibet and ruled by Tibetan kings. Today india recognises that Tibet is part of China so there is merit in India accepting the Chinese 1959 line as an international border and get over with border disputes and start working for the development of India.
China's view of India's strategy is more eloberate then it really is.
Dear Mr Gupta it's a pleasure following #CutTheClutter regularly. Hope you are doing well now. Please continue this series as long as possible. Regards.
Hi Abinash. Thank you for following Cut The Clutter. We plan to continue the series for a long, long time!
Thank you Shekhar ji, that you provided information what was the claim line of 1959 as claimed by China. Thank you for considering my comment from your previous clutter. And I thank you for decluttering and telling us the history behind this
Hi Prabhash. We take viewers feedback very seriously. Thank you for writing in!
Was waiting for this video... Thenks
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SG-after so many episodes on India-China, this episode gives a hint on the prime question-'why are they doing this?' Thanks for your insights
The real solution lies in making India economically strong. And that's possible only if we let private companies grow our wealth without Govt. hinderance. Of course Govt. will need to make sure no one breaks the law. Govt. has no business to be in any business. Govt. should not run airplane, mills, Trains, bus, telephone, oil, banks etc. Look how private companies made India #1 in software and Pharma. We wasted 66 years trying the public sector way, lets try the private way now.
@Ather because usa militarily and economically strong is thousands of miles away and Japan which is next door to china is only economically strong. India being both militarily and economically strong will be a force to reckon
Pigs may fly before this happens. The government officers derive their pleasure from holding up stuff and making others bow down. They are proud to say even Ambani has to agree to us
@Ather That suggestion to compromise with China came from Pakistan. Perhaps, it originated in China itself. I am not telling you are either a Pakistani or a Chinese. During 2nd world war, many people said the same thing about Hitler. "Compromise with Hitler, He is way too strong".
Economy can only do so much. After that it's the audacity of the soldiers. Why do you think China is hesitant in taking back the heights which India captured a month back. As long as India has the audacity to stand up to China, they will not be at rest. Dhoklam was the turning point.
@@abhinavmathur5648 I understand the challenge posed by Govt. officers.
@Ather You have brought some good points. Somehow we always seem to blame USA for our situation. You also think like the Chinese that only reason we are standing up to China is because of USA. That's wrong. We are standing up to China because China does not believe in compromise. Compromise is a two way street. China's border with India is ever changing. It changes with time. We bought a lot of arms from USA. But India expects a lot from USA just because we are both democracies. Nehru even asked Kennedy for a fleet with pilots. He was a socialist but did not hesitate to ask for help from USA. Anyway, this is the first time in history of India, Indians are standing up to China. Yes India should compromise from a position of strength.
This is the best media-
No biased opinions
Just true facts
British Empire: I draw a line on the map and I claim this area.
China: I do not agree.
India: Whatever British Empire claimed, I claim.
China: Let's fight for it.
India: No. Let's have a stare contest.
Did I summarize the situation accurately? :)
One of his finest. I am thank Shekhar Ji for enlightening millennials with strategic thinking going ahead. One request. Can you cover how Chinese have behaved in various conflicts including 1967 and stand offs in the past? And, how successful India has been in preventing those efforts by Chinese? A summary would be a big help as China marches ahead.
Mentioning Noorani and his biased antihindu and anti India BS is so typically SG
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@@sosoable and yet India will win😂
@Joseph Li lmao, as if half the world is going to come and fight against India. Stupid commentators can understand only such replies
@Joseph Li seems the commentator is a 2 year old child who has just started learning name of places and his mind has filled with hate by his parents
@Joseph Li why don't you practice what you preach. You could have easily disliked my comment and moved on. But, instead, you unnecessarily indulged into argument over a facile matter.
SEKHAR SIR , ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU FOR KEEPING MY PROMISE WHICH I GAVE YOU YESTERDAY IN THE #CUTTHECLUTTER , & ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE MY #FATHEROFINDIANJOURNALISM
I don't get it as according to map shown, the 1959 line would mean Chinese would have to go back as they have occupied more than that in 1962
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Imagine if the boundary has been defined in Nehru and Mao era. China and India might be the most powerful alliance on this planet for centuries to come. But oh well, that little tiny line drawn by the Brits caused two great civilizations to fight against each other for millenniums to come. Well done, Great Britain!
The problem is on Indo Tibet boarder not on Chinese India boarder.All the Chinese talk is after thoughts.The statements by scholar is quite clear
Shekhar ji, Dhanyawad. Thankyou very much. Danke sehr.
Who are these people buildings roads at night?
Please send them to Bengaluru 🙏🏻
I guess its a long shot but Does it also mean that China is willing to cede the territory between the 1959 claim line and LAC ( 2:00 )and solve the border issue in Ladakh area? If that is the case will India put a counter-argument to accept the Indian control of Arunachal (Mcmohan line) and settle the border issue for the major part?
Awesome I love these discussions!! These logical thoughts never comes up on TV news!!
Please do another CTC on Hathras case. A lot of clutter has happened since you spoke last time. So many narratives like rape, no rape , honour killing and also, violation of rules, denial of rights, and the drama of politics.
It's so shameful that this happens in our country :(
Rape or no rape, they burnt the body at midnight. They have lost the credibility to be trusted.
@@varunkhugshal9049 It's just sad. Entire system is messed up
I think he did one. Check yesterday's episode. Or one before that.
@Kaushal Batavia you may not think this is a caste based crime. But, those see it as caste based crime have not committed any crime, not breached any law, then why should they be put in jail?
@@ayushdubey8878 yes, he did. But, a lot has happened after he spoke. That's why said 'another'
So after 1959 claim line, they went war in 1962. Even after winning war they are not satisfied. Now this shows who is aggressors here.
I really enjoyed this piece, very informative,
Thank you for your impressive research amd hard work. I have a Q on the 1959 claim line. In most maps and explanations I have seen, the 1959 claim line appears to he quite East of the existing LAC? How is that possible?
Here it goes my "conspiratory" mind: seems like 'someone's or 'something' has a privileged view of future events and, in the specific case of India, left lots of 'traps' (If you will) along the way as an impediment to the growth and prosperity of the Country.
China won't accept nothing less than the 1959 demarcation line. If India wants its territory back, it will have to fight for it; what implies a far fledged war.
War, in the best of the situations, imply destruction and stagnation for years to come!
A catch twenty two: if India doesn't fight, it loses its territory in two different ways. In the first way, yielding to the demands of China; or secondly, not yielding and kicking the can down the road for years to come ( like it has been for the last seventy years).
If India does fight and win it would be a sour win: the devastation, the cost of war and the acquisition of an almost sterile terrain (in the middle of nowhere) that can't add to the Indian economy as a whole or even contribute to the alleviation of the costs of such war! Never undermine the possibility of such war drag other Indian partners ( Countries) in this insanity apart of a possible secession of the Seven Sisters of the West...
It's a lose/lose situation, thus the hesitancy in taking any meaningful position until now!I
Just a point of view of an "Indianist"!
Seven Sisters wont secede,
Even though insurgency is there in many NE states but secession is not even a remote possibility because Assam has a large Hindu population.
And unless Myanmar or Bangladesh try to play spoil sport and want to get itself burnt, China wont be able to mobilize enough support to let insurgents sweep Indian Army.
And even in that case it will be a Nuclear war.
@Patriotic Indian To be seen...
@Bubbah 1 This would be: keeping the status quo. ( Option 2 in the case explained above: " if India doesn't fight a war").
@@michaeldelisieux5252 Question is can Chinese fight a War ?? India can take casualties because we have been taking casualties along LOC all the time.
But can Chinese afford even few thousand PLA troops dead, that too when they consider themselves Rising Superpower ???
@Patriotic Indian To be seen.
Thanks Shekhar for a wonderful and well articulated analysis.
Great informative,knowledgeable, discussion sir👍
Seem SG has no career choice other than becoming neighbour’s spoke person. More than 80% of talk is about Chinese prospects, references and books that support it. He is smartly says he does not support their view but repeatedly emphasis their line of control.
We never adventures in capturing other territory or taking a forefront in aggressing other’s area. What does SG want to say, we have capture China’s land because our poor neighbour could not defend their territory for having a geographical disadvantage. They are so generous that they let India come to their border. Sorry, we all know Chinese nature and though process; they are opposite in nature. Remember, from the beginning of Independence, India has philosophy we don’t invade and we don’t have an enemy. Though, it is proved wrong by them.
Guys, better to be careful and more importantly thoughtful about their strategy in winning the war. Now a day, they know that no need bloodshed to win a war. Better fund this spoke person, news channel, and social media to wash your mind first and rest will follow. Read and watch information, which are available in online sources; but, absorb it only after necessary filtration and processing that information in your mind. Again, we need to be careful at the present time.
Exactly
@B-2 bomber Brother, be relevant to the topic. Discussing about Mr. SM’s barking and aggression of China only
Thank you, Sekhar, for an interesting and informative view of the Ladakh situation.
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Shekhar Sir, You're late again......I was eagerly waiting for CTC on ladakh ... ✌🏻✌🏻
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@Nikhil Prem free Manipur , free farmer
A suggestion.....a lot of good books are suggested by the The Print team during.....perhaps you may want to add a section to your website or with the list of books and a one liner summary on what the book entails!
Maxwell's book is based on the Indian army report on 62 war by Generals Henderson Brooks and Preminder Singh Bhagat the two legendary General officers of the Indian army. This report is till date classified. Maxwell reportedly somehow got details of this report and published most of it as the book India's China War.
@Steven Cher Report is classified despite BJP being in power for six years now. It is a military analysis not a political agenda.
@Steven Cher The book India's China War is a must read book on the issue. It does not have Nehru bashing as assumed by many. It shows the historical, cultural and military history of Aksai China and as per that Aksai China was never part of India on all three accounts.
This is also reflected in the army's inquiry and that's why it is till date classified.
Mr Gupta ,Keep it up.You are among those rare journalists who read also.
Love your content ✅
Great info.
SG
After watching your various posts on this subject, I Wished journalists supporting India also will post such an intelligent and spirited argument for India as you do for China in a vield manner, irrespective of China's crookedness...
I was searching wrongly " national interest", they I realized it's Friday..😂😂😂
As good an analysis as can be ! Hats off Shekhar !
there is some issue with camera focus in last few videos.. please fix it.
Quite educative. Thanks
We all understand that the maps shown are not military maps. But it will still be beneficial to explain them (May be using a mouse pointer), which I find Shekhar Gupta ji very reluctant to do. From my own reading on the internet, it seems Chinese claim line of 1959 is east of where the LAC passes today. Is this correct? If yes, then aren’t the Chinese claiming less than what they currently have... id like to understand the topography better but unfortunately I haven’t understood it despite numerous cut the clutter on this topic.
Sir, ur last concluding comment has a double meaning.
But most importantly, the map shows the "1959 claim line by china" is much inside aksai chin than the current LAC. Is the map correctly shown?
Thanks Shekhar sir, its great to know the facts
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Sir kafi discuss Kar Lia ye issue. Thoda US election bhi samjaiye. Topics like swing states, gerrymandering, supreme court appointment and debates, trump getting covid
Thank you sh Seker Gupta
for an excellent briefing on Indo China border dispute
Brilliant explanation professor 🙏
Awesome video 👌
Thanks Mr Shekhar Gupta for excellent information almost on all the topics. I think if you can publish a shorter version (summarised) in Hindi too millions of viewers would be benefitted. At the moment the amount of work done by you and your team doesn’t match the numbers of viewers. You must reach at least 10M.
Dear Dr. Dalpat. Thank you for writing in. We are working on what you have suggested. Meanwhile, thank you for your tremendous support.
@@ThePrintIndia provide bilingual subtitles
too late sir.. i've been waiting for long while
It would help if you can do a cut the clutter on the consequences of the 59 claim line.
Great analysis 👌
@SG: Sir, can you do a small piece on what "Good Journalism" is. As an audience/reader, what aspects/analysis of a news story should we conduct, what to analyse determine objective or complete a story is, how well the research was done, which news syndicates were referred to, if the news agency has a political leaning (left/right) how do we sift through the noise and make inferences etc. I feel while as audiences we may pay or demand "good journalism" we do not always have the knowhow to determine good journalism. Kindly treat this as a customer education, if you can call it that way. Thanks.
Thanku Shekar Gupta for making us Indians believe that we are the bad guys here. Beautifully raised chinese propaganda
Shekarji how come chinese claim line is right/eastward of LOAC. Does it mean that Indians patrol to eastwards of chinese claim line in Ladakh.
So basically, we are asking China to give up claim on Arunachal Pradesh in exchange of we give up claim on Aksai Chin?
I think China believes in the policy of "Jiski Lathi, Uski Bhais" or "might is right"
Have you read the Force Magazine and the point about communication
The best analysis on the dispute. China is not interested in Indian territory. She is interested in trying India down at the border. The cost of mantaining a 50,000 men army in such an inhospitable environment for certainly tie down and constrain India's ability to expand it's navy in the Indian ocean. This will buy the Chinese time to expand it's presence in the Indian ocean
Why don’t you have an app
Peace comes not from the absence of conflict, but from the ability to cope with it.
I think NGOs do not know about road construction in Kashmir...if they knew 2kms would take 20 years
Unfortunately you did not really discuss the main point. The 1959 Line in total is EAST of the present LAC. Is then China saying that they will WITHDRAW from present positions ?!
Wonderful piece I like the long term thinking of the Chinese thinking how India going to dictate n strengthen in India Ocean, foreign policy is indeed very long term
never surrender. .Indian push back is what the world needs to see and support. .Fighting a bully .giving him a bloody nose every time
‘Aap Ke mu me ghee chakar’ was a classic. I am sure many Indians will relate to it positively. I will agree to what Prof Liu Zongyi said. Since that is the right way to counter China since its not on a moral high ground as everyone is aware on how it treats its neighbors especially the amount hostility it shows towards weaker countries. Especially it’s belt and road project has no intention of fairness to the host countries which are entertaining this Chinese project. So Long live Modi. That’s the way to go with aggressive China. I know from the beginning this was the right game plan from day one when the hostilities started.
I wish you were there with your indian express photographer and had written a national interest which we all can read
Excellent analysis. You 🙏🌹👌.
The intersting I noticed is 1959 ( so called Chinese version) is leaving a huge part which they already control in the valley according to the map the Print is showing ( pause and verify) . So are they losing or winning the territory.? Any diplomatic win or are they also cofused..or are we yet more confused ...can anyone enlighten me ???
i didnt understand either
If Chinese wish to go back 60 odd years and revert to 1959 status, India must go 10 additional years to 1949 status when Tibet was independent.
Your cameraman needs to show the maps for a longer time rather than panning back too soon to your respectable self. We don't have a photographic mind to capture maps within a few seconds whereas we already have a good idea of how you look.
Good info
My understanding is that the Chinese in 1962 advance and capture in general the territory that they Claim and went not further. But withdraw to position before the winter to position they can supply during the winter which because more or less the current LAC. To this day the Chinese still have not given up their original claim so therefore they claim land beyond the LAC. This is and was the position taught in World History Course in the United States.
I have a cost effective solution for this problem
Increase capital expenditure in indian navy
Join quad and scrap strategic autonomy and join American camp
Give a airbase to Americans close to Chinese territory ( enough to stop them from provocation and can also increase asymmetry between Chinese and indian air assets )
And also indian navy should start joint patrolling the high seas
You said my mind out brother
cost effective solution = Increase capital expenditure in indian navy ?
@@sreekr yes
Deployment in ladhak costs crores ( revenue expenditure, with no tangible long term assets except roads )
Increased capital expenditure will have tangible assets such as submarines, destroyers etc
@@james46092
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But I don't think ,it will happen in my life time bro , with all russian radar tech , Americans will avoid airbases in india
We shouldn't have bought that s400 ,now we are strategically in Russia gambit
With single move , russians avoided most high tech weapon sales to india by usa
I appreciate it's good journalisam 🙏
SG says that the entire Chinese side talk in one language, one theme. And here we have quite a few almost supporting the Chinese articulation. Again a few from one paper The Hindu. My observation. Did anyone else notice.
Total agreement . All the Chinese speak in the same language and in India , Communists support China , rest will keep mum and wait for the government to fail so that they can criticize.
The Hindu is chennai edition
Of Global times China loud speak
Dear SG, the whole problem began with the CCP annexing Tibet and ending with the Dalai Lama and his people fleeing Tibet into India. The current problem has to be seen holistically from that perspective. India needs to negotiate with CCP for the return of Dalai Lama and his people to Tibet as well as the demarcation of the boundary. Only then the boundary issue will get settled permanently once and for all. We should not be taken into the spin given by some of their scholars saying that India wants to needle China and settle with Pakistan, so that we can take on them in Indian Ocean. Please do an episode on this theme.
The map at 1:57 makes no sense to me. The Chinese claim line of 1959 runs beyond the Line of Actual Control from India. Are the Chinese willing to give up some of the territory they are already holding in return for India giving up claims on the rest of Aksai Chin? That means China intends to give up most of Pangong Tso. Too good to be true. This is prolly a mistake on the map!
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Thanks professor. SG.
Please reserve Sunday's for your personal stories while covering the world!!
Ha ha Abhishek. Do tune in!
Sir, why you are ignoring the hathrash case why you aren't doing a full blown CTC on the case? Pls speak up
In the map you showed, China is already well beyond its own 1959 claim line. In that case isn't it actually beneficial for India to accept this line as this would mean China will have to withdraw several kilometres in almost all areas?
The narrative is very defeatist, Geography and history is 50 % emotional and 50 % pragmatic. WIthout saying it Shekhar Gupta would like to handover Ladakh to China just because they are asking for it. Given a chance China will also want to take over Calcutta and Darljeeling because there is a China town. there and Tea i origin is China
Ladakh is an international disputed territory.
It is a well researched presentation. Many thanks. If Indians build infrastructure on its side of the border, why should China bother? Does China expect to walk into india India as easily as it did in 1962. Is India expected to leave it that way?
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The fact of the matter is that well over 1 million square kilometers of territory between India and China does not belong to either one of them and the inhabitants of those territories were never asked who they want to join. Might is right is the name of the game here.
A true Brahmins! So knowledgeable! Although your points may not be agreed. Who ignited so strong nationalism among low castes in India? Look at the comments below, really desperate to expect a rational India.
BRO is India's pride.
If KASHMIR'S instrument of accession to so imp then why don't you accept Junagarh's instrument of accession to Pakistan. There was a plebiscite in Junagarh but not in Kashmir.
Chinese strategy is pretty simple" keep the line blurry for war to come , then fight a war and win it so that u can capture it and no one will have a claim on it. But if u settle with borders u cant have it." They want the whole of ladakh probably ehole of kashmir, and Arunachal pradesh.
Shekhar Ji, The amount of respect that you command in the world of journalism, you still are vulnerable , like most Indian, is calling McMahon line as McMohan. It is actually MaaaacMohan & not Mohan, which is the typical Indian psyche as Mohan pyare is omnipresent in Indian household. Hare Krishna.
So next time , you can note it.