For anyone wondering what the pump controller is. It appears to be a VFD (Variable Frequency Drive) many companies make them now. ABB is a great brand but pricey.
The mash tun screen looks like a NorCal Brewing Solutions job. At least that's my guess. Thanks for the walk through video, I love seeing people who have the guts to take the leap. Maybe someday I will. Cheers!
You roped me in Pat. Excellent content and I really appreciate your transparency. I'm looking at building a brewery in similar fashion without any debt; this is gold.
Thanks. I'm trying to make more I'm just busy with kids and getting this going. If you want to send we some questions that would be great. I could bang out another video.
Love these types of videos! Looking forward to basically any operations videos you could put out (packaging, cleaning, etc). Now to check out your part II q&a on this one. What did you end up using for the door on your cold room? Cheers!
Hey thanks. I currently just have some very thick curtains but i am working on modifying a bi-fold door. Thanks for the suggestions I'll try and do a tank cleaning vid.
This is a great video, thank you for making it. I'm currently building a brewery myself and basically came to the same idea of the cold room with plastic tanks, glad to see it's actually functional.
yeah it works totally fine. the one really tricky bit is putting the racking arms in because the plastic is much thicker than the metal. If you have trouble let me know. and let me know any other videos you would like to see.
@@perfectworldpat7053Thanks, hopefully I won't but I certainly would. I'm really interested by your modifications to the fermenters and how you handle the CO2 in that room and how you do the transfers (long flexible pipes would be my guess aha). Your keg washer is also interesting, I've seen a few designs floating around but it's always nice to see how different people do things.
Immense props for making this vid...This is about as real as it gets and most guys won't divulge this level of detail. Practical, level headed engineering decisions. I wondered if you looked at and discarded the idea of using Brewha brew vessels which are made in 5 and 7 bbl and most of their gear is on wheels. If you rejected it - I'd love to hear the reason? Slainte Mhath!
I had never heard of them until just now. Thanks for clueing me in. They look really cool and i really like the all in one design. I don't think it would work for me because i only have 9 foot ceilings, and if i am looking at the vessel correctly we would need taller a ceiling to crane the mash insert out. The only other down side for me would be haveing to buy expensive fermenters. but maybe i could have saved that money on my brew kettle or something. If i was starting all over again i might go this route. Thanks for the comment. Slaintheva!!
Hey Pat, this is Jarod - your brother's friend from way back in the day. He sent me the link to your channel. Great videos! Glad to see you doing so well. Take care.
I'm currently down to get my plumbing up to code but i have mostly done kegs in the past, since self distribution is allowed in NY state. But i am increasingly coming to the realization that for a brewery my size, Direct sales of cans and super premium products is the way to stay in business. Thanks for the question. It is always helpful to know what people would like videos about.
That carbon filter doesn't stop chloramines or fluoride, maybe your supply is not fluoridated? Have you ever had your mash water tested for lead , chloramines, fluoride levels? I thought lead pipes were all replaced decades ago when it was found to be leaching into the water? Great info on the video, cheers.
I don't have a floor drain yet. I installed a triclamp fitting right onto my drain pipe and that a connect the tanks to. Besides that i put catch tray under stuff. It's actually not that big of a problem.
according to google maps, the space you just saw is about 1,150 square feet. We also have about another 500 upstairs. The only tap room we have is the little bar you might see me walking by a few times. some day I'll get a nice tap room. thanks for the interest. any other questions you would like a video about ,please let me know.
I'm not sure if different countries have different standards for what constitutes size, when you say "seven barrel brewery", are you talking about brewhouse capacity, fermenter capacity, or something else maybe? I am training as a commercial brewer here in the UK, hoping to create my own nanobrewery on the side as a "part time" weekend job, supplementing both my income and my creativity for the style I might want to make that month, (which my weekday job in the brewery doesn't!) until I am skilled enough to sell it, so I'm trying to get as much information as possible, so when I build it (my new house rental comes with a 3m*4m workshop I'm turning into a little brewhouse) I don't get to a brew day and think "crap, I forgot to get a pump here" or "why didn't I think to put a triclamp there?"... any advice would be really helpful!
Yeah my brewhouse capacity 7 x 31 gallons. or about 8.3 hectoliters. Do you have a plan of how large you would like to make your nanobrewery? I had one in my garage for years it is a great way to learn the ropes. Sounds like you will be coming into the build with allot of knowledge already. The biggest mistake i made in my garage brewery was trying to hard line the plumbing. i definitely should have just had a mobile pump with two flex hoses.
@@perfectworldpat7053 yeah so I'm planning to get a 35-40L AIO, to ferment a 12-30L batch (I have a 15L conical and getting a 30L in the new year, which covers a wide range of batch sizes) and I'm looking to get something, maybe a keg, to act as a 25L conditioning tank, as if I do lagers, they will all be full size, designed to be regular drinkers, rather than small batch specials like impies and barleywines. I'm not getting into hectolitres any time soon as some of the 3*4m workshop is for woodworking and overwintering veg from the garden!
@@jeremyghunter My personal preference as far as set up goes, would be to use gravity rather than pumps when ever possible. Are you going electric or gas?
I see alot of work went into engineering and buying for the gas setup, what was the main reason to not use electric? When I priced stuff out I figure electric would just be easier mainly because of exhaust/safety.
Thanks for asking. The main reason I decided to use gas was the trouble of cleaning electric elements. I visited a brewery in Saratoga with electric elements. The brewer often had to crack sediment off the element in his HLT with a hammer and chisel. He also told me that the element in his brew kettle "carnalized" the sugars of every batch. Which sounds ok but he said he had trouble brewing very light colored beers. Cleaning that element was difficult as well according to him. That was 10 years ago and there may well be solutions, i don't know. Hope that helps.
@@perfectworldpat7053 Oh interesting stuff, also thanks for checking out my channel! Looks like based on your setup you can only have one beer going at a time? Or at least one in the brite and one in the fermenters is that correct? Do you find that this setup is difficult to keep up with demand?
@@TroubleBrewing When i get something in the brite, i can get it kegged and or canned up pretty quick. I haven't ever used the brite as a serving tank, so i haven't had any bottles necks there. For fermenting i do have to pick either ales or lagers at any one time. Generally i try and do ales in the extreme summer and lagers in the extreme winter. Much easier that way. And i think more rewarding.
@@codyhvac6067 The bottoms of the tanks are threaded plastic. We pretty simply screw in a 1 1/2" tri-clamp fitting. The key is to reinforce the plastic drain at the bottom with hose clamps before you screw the piece in so that you can turn it in very tight without cracking the plastic. I don't use any thread locker for that. Under that i have a tri-clamp elbo and a half turn sanitary valve. The racking arm is a standard off the shelf model for any tank installed at the 4 gallon line. The difficult park is installing a bulkhead through the tank. We used bulk head adapters made for standard steel wall tanks which was almost imposable be because the plastic is mush thicker than steel. We ended up having to make custom extra thin seals, a tank sander/shaper be gluing sandpaper to a bottle. and it was a two man operation to reach a very long breaker bar inside the tanks with a huge socket and a nut taped to it. If you ever try it yourself hit me up.
The whole cost would be difficult to say. it was about 40k for the tanks pump kegs and cooler. maybe 7k for blast heaters. 2,000 on plastic fermenters. 2000 to build cold room.10k on other bits of stainless steel. have to add inflation to that too. Maybe i should make a video about the 1.5 barrel i used to have in my garage. any interest in that?
Wish I had the guts to simply buy something from China...lol. I want to throw a 3 (80L) kettle HERMS system together next summer, but I'm a little wary about shipping my money off on "faith" so to speak. I'm gonna have to buy from a shop (here in Vancouver) to physically inspect what I want...but along with that comes the brutal "markup"....sigh.
Before i bought me equipment i requested a list of previous customers. Two of them were within a 3 hour drive, so i loaded up some friend's and met some relatives and had a super good excuse to go out drinking for a long weekend. Both people told me they had no trouble with their purchase, so i jumped in. I didn't have trouble either, but i would recommend asking for the client list, makes for a fun trip. And like i said Gavin Zhang can be trusted. But honestly i think that people, at least in the states, know the jig is up and mark ups a way lower now. so it might not make much of a difference. 80L sounds fun. I made a big jump up years ago from 5 gallon to using 55 gallon drums. Let me know if you would like any advise, i love this kind of stuff.
Best advice I can give anyone would be you don't open up a restaurant because you make a bangin' mac & cheese at home. First step usually is going to culinary school, and/or getting a job at a restaurant as a line cook before taking out a mortgage and signing a lease somewhere.
Yeah that is an excellent point. I'm trying to make videos to educate people about how to get started with as little failure as possible. Any advice on what videos to make?
Having two cameras was pointless and absolutely nauseating with the constant cuts between them. I made it about 2 minutes and dipped, something to keep in mind wrt filming/editing.
Thanks, yeah I'm just learning about film making. Check out my other vid, i worked pretty hard on this czcams.com/video/-bflMFJUhoM/video.html&ab_channel=PerfectWorldPat
Finally! Someone that makes me feel normal! It's hard to build a brewery, specially on a budget. You rock brother! Keep up the good work 🤟
Thanks, it's great to know people enjoy the vids. Let me know if you need any info.
I don’t know how this guy does not have more views and/or subscribers. your content rocks man!
Thanks, that means a lot.
For anyone wondering what the pump controller is. It appears to be a VFD (Variable Frequency Drive) many companies make them now. ABB is a great brand but pricey.
thanks
The mash tun screen looks like a NorCal Brewing Solutions job. At least that's my guess. Thanks for the walk through video, I love seeing people who have the guts to take the leap. Maybe someday I will. Cheers!
Your right!! They are a great company. Thanks for the comment. If you ever need a video made about something let me know.
Hey i'm your 999th subscriber. Good luck on the next one.
@@perfectworldpat7053 much appreciated!
You roped me in Pat. Excellent content and I really appreciate your transparency. I'm looking at building a brewery in similar fashion without any debt; this is gold.
Thanks. I'm trying to make more I'm just busy with kids and getting this going. If you want to send we some questions that would be great. I could bang out another video.
Some of the best info I’ve seen on CZcams. I went back and watched the rest of your videos and found a couple other great nuggets. Keep it coming.
Hey, thanks a lot. Please let me know if there is something you would like to know more about.
I have to keep updated with the progress. Great video, thanks.
Thanks for checking me out. You a brewer too?
Great video, thanks for all the info!
my pleasure. let me know if you need any other info.
Great passion and great commitment! Keep going!
Will do thanks. let me know if you need a video.
The ideas Pat comes up with are engineering genius
thanks Amandalorian
I like what you have created! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, let me know if you want to see something.
I wanna see that keg washer in action! Awesome brewery my guy. Cheers 🍻
ok it's coming.
Great video, looking forward to your keg washing video.
Thanks, more to come
Ill appreciate you and your help
No problem, I'm happy to answer any questions i can.
Love these types of videos! Looking forward to basically any operations videos you could put out (packaging, cleaning, etc). Now to check out your part II q&a on this one. What did you end up using for the door on your cold room? Cheers!
Hey thanks. I currently just have some very thick curtains but i am working on modifying a bi-fold door. Thanks for the suggestions I'll try and do a tank cleaning vid.
I am a commercial brewer. Bonneville Brewery, Tooele, Utah.
Love your show !
thanks! love the support
This is a great video, thank you for making it.
I'm currently building a brewery myself and basically came to the same idea of the cold room with plastic tanks, glad to see it's actually functional.
yeah it works totally fine. the one really tricky bit is putting the racking arms in because the plastic is much thicker than the metal. If you have trouble let me know. and let me know any other videos you would like to see.
@@perfectworldpat7053Thanks, hopefully I won't but I certainly would.
I'm really interested by your modifications to the fermenters and how you handle the CO2 in that room and how you do the transfers (long flexible pipes would be my guess aha).
Your keg washer is also interesting, I've seen a few designs floating around but it's always nice to see how different people do things.
@@Morkhs I'm on it.
Pat, you beer is the Bomb 💣
Billy!!!!!!!! great to hear from you!!!
NorCal brewing for your screen.
Immense props for making this vid...This is about as real as it gets and most guys won't divulge this level of detail. Practical, level headed engineering decisions. I wondered if you looked at and discarded the idea of using Brewha brew vessels which are made in 5 and 7 bbl and most of their gear is on wheels. If you rejected it - I'd love to hear the reason? Slainte Mhath!
I had never heard of them until just now. Thanks for clueing me in. They look really cool and i really like the all in one design. I don't think it would work for me because i only have 9 foot ceilings, and if i am looking at the vessel correctly we would need taller a ceiling to crane the mash insert out. The only other down side for me would be haveing to buy expensive fermenters. but maybe i could have saved that money on my brew kettle or something. If i was starting all over again i might go this route. Thanks for the comment. Slaintheva!!
Hey Pat, this is Jarod - your brother's friend from way back in the day. He sent me the link to your channel. Great videos! Glad to see you doing so well. Take care.
Hey, great to hear from you. hope to see you soon.
I'd love to see a video about keg cleaning.
Smart, funny and speakin my language. Subscribed.
Sincerely, part time doctor and full time homebrew loser.
Thanks allot
happy to help.
nice job Pat. Enjoyed the video. So with this brewery do you just sell cans or kegs? Do you sell Kegs to local bars? How does that work?
I'm currently down to get my plumbing up to code but i have mostly done kegs in the past, since self distribution is allowed in NY state. But i am increasingly coming to the realization that for a brewery my size, Direct sales of cans and super premium products is the way to stay in business. Thanks for the question. It is always helpful to know what people would like videos about.
That carbon filter doesn't stop chloramines or fluoride, maybe your supply is not fluoridated?
Have you ever had your mash water tested for lead , chloramines, fluoride levels? I thought lead pipes were all replaced decades ago when it was found to be leaching into the water?
Great info on the video, cheers.
Thanks for the video. What does your plumbing look like with drainage? Was that built into the facility or did you need to customize for it?
I don't have a floor drain yet. I installed a triclamp fitting right onto my drain pipe and that a connect the tanks to. Besides that i put catch tray under stuff. It's actually not that big of a problem.
Hey! Thanks for the video. I haven't finished it, so you might already say, but how large is the space? Is there a Taproom?
according to google maps, the space you just saw is about 1,150 square feet. We also have about another 500 upstairs. The only tap room we have is the little bar you might see me walking by a few times. some day I'll get a nice tap room. thanks for the interest. any other questions you would like a video about ,please let me know.
Pat! ❤
Oh Meg!!!
Good stuff. What temp do you keep the fermenting room at--68 or lower?
depends what I'm making. I normally make wheat in July at 72, drop to 68 for part of the year and then down to 50 in the winter for lagers.
Very helpful. Still, I have to find out about permits where I am. Looks like cook cr meth would be easier.
Meth is good money, but brewing has better people. Let me know how it goes either way.
I see a trench drain in the brewery. But what about the cooler?
Also, are you doing all distro?
We have a tri-clamp drain, we hook our tanks to directly to drain them. thanks for asking.
I want to know who makes the screens! 🙂
Took me a while to remember but i found them. www.norcalbrewingsolutions.com/store/index.html what are you working on ? cheers
I'm not sure if different countries have different standards for what constitutes size, when you say "seven barrel brewery", are you talking about brewhouse capacity, fermenter capacity, or something else maybe? I am training as a commercial brewer here in the UK, hoping to create my own nanobrewery on the side as a "part time" weekend job, supplementing both my income and my creativity for the style I might want to make that month, (which my weekday job in the brewery doesn't!) until I am skilled enough to sell it, so I'm trying to get as much information as possible, so when I build it (my new house rental comes with a 3m*4m workshop I'm turning into a little brewhouse) I don't get to a brew day and think "crap, I forgot to get a pump here" or "why didn't I think to put a triclamp there?"... any advice would be really helpful!
Yeah my brewhouse capacity 7 x 31 gallons. or about 8.3 hectoliters. Do you have a plan of how large you would like to make your nanobrewery? I had one in my garage for years it is a great way to learn the ropes. Sounds like you will be coming into the build with allot of knowledge already. The biggest mistake i made in my garage brewery was trying to hard line the plumbing. i definitely should have just had a mobile pump with two flex hoses.
@@perfectworldpat7053 yeah so I'm planning to get a 35-40L AIO, to ferment a 12-30L batch (I have a 15L conical and getting a 30L in the new year, which covers a wide range of batch sizes) and I'm looking to get something, maybe a keg, to act as a 25L conditioning tank, as if I do lagers, they will all be full size, designed to be regular drinkers, rather than small batch specials like impies and barleywines.
I'm not getting into hectolitres any time soon as some of the 3*4m workshop is for woodworking and overwintering veg from the garden!
@@jeremyghunter My personal preference as far as set up goes, would be to use gravity rather than pumps when ever possible. Are you going electric or gas?
I see alot of work went into engineering and buying for the gas setup, what was the main reason to not use electric? When I priced stuff out I figure electric would just be easier mainly because of exhaust/safety.
Thanks for asking. The main reason I decided to use gas was the trouble of cleaning electric elements. I visited a brewery in Saratoga with electric elements. The brewer often had to crack sediment off the element in his HLT with a hammer and chisel. He also told me that the element in his brew kettle "carnalized" the sugars of every batch. Which sounds ok but he said he had trouble brewing very light colored beers. Cleaning that element was difficult as well according to him. That was 10 years ago and there may well be solutions, i don't know. Hope that helps.
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@@perfectworldpat7053 Oh interesting stuff, also thanks for checking out my channel! Looks like based on your setup you can only have one beer going at a time? Or at least one in the brite and one in the fermenters is that correct? Do you find that this setup is difficult to keep up with demand?
@@TroubleBrewing When i get something in the brite, i can get it kegged and or canned up pretty quick. I haven't ever used the brite as a serving tank, so i haven't had any bottles necks there. For fermenting i do have to pick either ales or lagers at any one time. Generally i try and do ales in the extreme summer and lagers in the extreme winter. Much easier that way. And i think more rewarding.
Keg washer please 🙏
Roger that
This dude is as smart as he is sexy!! 6/10
5/10
What fittings are you using on your fermenters?
I could make a whole video on that. which one are you working on, bottom, cleaning, top or racking?
Bottom and racking.
@@codyhvac6067 The bottoms of the tanks are threaded plastic. We pretty simply screw in a 1 1/2" tri-clamp fitting. The key is to reinforce the plastic drain at the bottom with hose clamps before you screw the piece in so that you can turn it in very tight without cracking the plastic. I don't use any thread locker for that. Under that i have a tri-clamp elbo and a half turn sanitary valve. The racking arm is a standard off the shelf model for any tank installed at the 4 gallon line. The difficult park is installing a bulkhead through the tank. We used bulk head adapters made for standard steel wall tanks which was almost imposable be because the plastic is mush thicker than steel. We ended up having to make custom extra thin seals, a tank sander/shaper be gluing sandpaper to a bottle. and it was a two man operation to reach a very long breaker bar inside the tanks with a huge socket and a nut taped to it. If you ever try it yourself hit me up.
Do you know the cost of putting your brewery together?
The whole cost would be difficult to say. it was about 40k for the tanks pump kegs and cooler. maybe 7k for blast heaters. 2,000 on plastic fermenters. 2000 to build cold room.10k on other bits of stainless steel. have to add inflation to that too. Maybe i should make a video about the 1.5 barrel i used to have in my garage. any interest in that?
Pat. How long did it take from china to your place.
As I recall, from order to in house was about 3 months.
@@perfectworldpat7053 It took quite long. He has one hiab ready to ship. Did he give you some discount?
@@peteszikla4612 they're not ready to ship. the begin production when you place the order. and the trip from china to New York is Pretty far
Great vudeo I am starting my brewry can you please send me you seller in china looking to buy a brewry house 10bbl to start
No problem duder, sungoodmachinery.com/ I would recommend checking to see if American prices have come down. What state are you looking to start in?
Wish I had the guts to simply buy something from China...lol. I want to throw a 3 (80L) kettle HERMS system together next summer, but I'm a little wary about shipping my money off on "faith" so to speak. I'm gonna have to buy from a shop (here in Vancouver) to physically inspect what I want...but along with that comes the brutal "markup"....sigh.
Before i bought me equipment i requested a list of previous customers. Two of them were within a 3 hour drive, so i loaded up some friend's and met some relatives and had a super good excuse to go out drinking for a long weekend. Both people told me they had no trouble with their purchase, so i jumped in. I didn't have trouble either, but i would recommend asking for the client list, makes for a fun trip. And like i said Gavin Zhang can be trusted. But honestly i think that people, at least in the states, know the jig is up and mark ups a way lower now. so it might not make much of a difference. 80L sounds fun. I made a big jump up years ago from 5 gallon to using 55 gallon drums. Let me know if you would like any advise, i love this kind of stuff.
Best advice I can give anyone would be you don't open up a restaurant because you make a bangin' mac & cheese at home. First step usually is going to culinary school, and/or getting a job at a restaurant as a line cook before taking out a mortgage and signing a lease somewhere.
Yeah that is an excellent point. I'm trying to make videos to educate people about how to get started with as little failure as possible. Any advice on what videos to make?
You just 100% sold me on US manufacturers. If you can't trust the product you're purchasing, that's not a good thing!!
thanks for the feedback. Glad I could help. Please let me know whatever other info you need.
Having two cameras was pointless and absolutely nauseating with the constant cuts between them. I made it about 2 minutes and dipped, something to keep in mind wrt filming/editing.
Thanks, yeah I'm just learning about film making. Check out my other vid, i worked pretty hard on this czcams.com/video/-bflMFJUhoM/video.html&ab_channel=PerfectWorldPat