6.5 Creedmoor vs 30-06 Springfield: A Detailed Comparison & Analysis
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In this video I talk about how the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .30-06 Springfield compare to each other.
While the .30-06 Springfield has a long history of use as an extremely effective all-around hunting cartridge, the 6.5 Creedmoor is much newer to the hunting game. Both offer certain advantages to hunters, but there are some significant differences between the 6.5 Creedmoor vs 30-06 cartridges you should be aware of.
Unfortunately, as is the case with many things involving the 6.5 Creedmoor, there’s a lot of misinformation and hype out there regarding the capabilities of these cartridges. Not surprisingly, it’s really easy to get confused when trying to understand their actual strengths and weaknesses.
In this video, I’m going to discuss the pros and cons of the 6.5 Creedmoor vs .30-06 Springfield cartridges so you can make an informed decision on which one is right for you.
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6.5 Creedmoor vs 30-06 Springfield
30-06 vs 6.5 Creedmoor
I've used a 30-06 for 27 years on coyote, whitetail, mule deer, black bear and elk. I've even shot several heads off of grouse. The distances were from 4 to 387 yards. Just shot a chocolate colored 306 pound black bear at 370 yards on 9/11/2021. I LOVE THE 30-06 and will shoot mine until the barrel falls off. My set-up:
*Browning X-Bolt Stalker Long Range 30-06, Bergara Omni muzzle brake.
*Nikon Buckmasters 4.5-14x40mm SF BDC scope, 4" Nikon 40mm sunshade.
*Harris 6"-9" bipod.
*Hornady Superformace SST 150 grain.
3,103 FPS - .82" groups at 100 yards
About the same performance of mine with the same bullet. I’m using IMR 4064. 24 inch barrel on a Win Model 70.
The Creed is an excellent long range paper puncher. But for hunting it's just another cartridge. We have the 6mm-308 in 245, the 6.5-308 in the 6.5 Creed, the 7-08, and the 308. With each step comes more power and an extended range where killing power resides. This guy loves the Creed but absolutely hates all the hype surrounding it. 100 years from now, which of these cartridges will still be here? My money is on the 06 because it does EVERYTHING the Creed will do and a whole lot more. By the time the Creed catches up, it lacks the steam to make an ethical kill. Someone mentioned previously to get both. I SECOND THAT!!! Thank you for sparing the hype, that was refreshing.
Have shoot over 100 moose with 6,5x55, 308 win and 30.06. Never seen any differens in how the moose reacts to hits. They all work.
Would you say that shot placement and the angle of the moose is much more important when using 6.5x55 Swede or not necessarily?
Bullshit .. where in the world can you get a min of 3 moose tags per year . Because even getting 3 a year you'd have to do that every year for 34 years
NORWAY, Sweden and Finland.@@evanchatterley9280
I'm a Big fan of the 30 06... I've hunted with it for ,30 plus years.... You can't go wrong with the 30 cal bullet.... Thanks . Great video
Here is a novel idea. Get both and shoot both for different game. I actually prefer 7mm 08 over the 6.5 Creedmoor. I would rather have the 30.06 in bear country though.
06 bucks a little much so I went 7m08 and boy it's sweet just having a hard time getting ammo especially copper out here in commie California
My 7-08 runs circles around my Creed.
6.5 was designd for difered purposes. Both good but for hunting game yes all day 30-06
I reload so I chose the 30 06 because of the variety of bullet sizes and weight.
From 50 to 220 grains...
Many differences between these two, especially if you reload. I use 220gr Nosler Particians on Moose, Grizzlies & Elk. I'm not sure 6.5 Creed could take these animals humanely. I also use SMK 220gr bullets with 0.63 BC for long-range 30-06 fun. I load them with 4064 or Hodg Superperformance powders and achieve 2450-2550fps, delivering over 1,000ft-lbs at 900 yards.
Have you ever loaded 130-168 grain bullets with the superformance powders if so what did you get performance wise
I was just wondering what loading manual shows to use 4064 powder in a 30-06 with that heavy of a bullet.
@@russellkeeling4387 it’s that hard knocks loading manual haha …
Trial man start small and move slowly if you start shitting primmers back off
@@russellkeeling4387 not in any of my 3 manuals. 180 is max.
I wouldn’t use a 6.5 on anything bigger than a white tail honestly. But with elk I’m sure a 6.5 would kill one with good shot placement but I wouldn’t even consider it for an elk hunt unless it’s all I could get.
Enjoy the format and ballistic categories presented in your videos. If you had to choose one, I would take an ‘06 with a muzzle break. Thanks
Glad you like the format! Thanks for the comment!
I'm glad the old 3006 beat the 6.5
Why? Are you one of those that can’t sleep at night thinking about the hype of the creedmore??
Because the 30-06 is just simply more powerful than the 6 5 Creedmoor. Has more powderspace. Can shoot heavier bullets etc.
I have a 30-06 and I love it because if I loose an animal I know it wasn’t because of the cartridge. I bought it because I own an M1 and I wanted my Deer rifle to shoot the same cartridge. Plus every time I hold a 30-06 in my hand I smile.
I own a .243, because I wanted a light recoiling flat shooting coyote/Varmint rifle as my truck gun, also during the first great gun scare of 2011 it was the only cartridge I could find, but the great gun scare of 2022 it’s as rare as gold. Ive never been impressed with its performance on Deer and Wild Boar it is comparable to the 6.5 in power and recoil, having said all that I have found in my experience it really comes down to how well the hunter shoots and practices with his or her rifle and using the correct bullet construction for the job, but with 30-06 is much more forgiving with bullet construction.
With powders hitting the market like Hornady's Superformance and Winchester StaBALL 6.5. The distance of the '06 from those classic magnum power levels of the 7mm mag and 300 win mag, are getting smaller. Advantages are still there for the 300 WM. But an '06 with a max charge of StaBALL and a 180gr pill, has just shy of 3300 ft lbs of energy.
The 6.5 CM has some nice attributes to be sure. I just do not see it in the same league as the venerable 30-06 Springfield. Or having near as much versatility as the old war horse.
Thanks for the good info on the subject.
Im certainly no expert. I got a 6.5 creed for a combo deer/coyote rifle. With very cheap norma whitetail soft point 140 grain loads, i fired 2 shots last deer rifle season. Dropped a doe at 75yds on opening day and dropped a buck at 90yds day before closing. Either took a step. I can load down to 90 grains for coyotes and groundhogs. Creed hype may be real, but its hard to ask for more than that for my purposes
30-06 one of the best all around rifles. The reason why creedmoor has taken off is recoil, accuracy and the fact that most people kill deer at 100 yards. Very few hunters will hunt all deer, bear, elk and moose especially in the same season. Most hunters don’t even shoot over 200 yards so both cartridges will cause hydrostatic and hydraulic shock. I love when people say o I went with the 30-06 cause it will kill anything in North America and the only thing they have ever shot at is a deer.
In all of those factors, this is why the 30-30 has historically been the go-to.
I agree with you, however, I think people like knowing that the 30.06 will do the job if they ever need it to.
10 years before the creedmoor the simular .260 Remingtion came out and two years before in 2005 the 6.5x47 Lapua. Strange how just the later creedmoor get popular.
It's because Hornady put it out, then paid gun writers to sell the cartridge as the next big thing. Buth cartridges you mentioned are better, the 7mm08 is better and the .270win is better.
Even if Hornady did what you accuse them of, marketing, hype, and advertising can only do so much. There's no way the Creedmoor would still be around and still be so widely used (the 223 and 308 are the only centerfire rifle cartridges that are more popular in terms of raw ammo sales) if it weren't a darn capable cartridge capable of standing on its own.
Make mine a 30-06. Thank you!!
Right on!
Me 3
I killed my first elk last winter at ~150 yards. 450 lbs. 1 shot 168 grain 30-06 Berger. DRT.
I’ve used both for hunting and killed whitetail with both. My 6.5 killed whitetail just fine but I did notice a lot less blood with my 6.5 compared to my 30.06 which made tracking a little harder but you can still make it happen.
Tracking? I've been harvesting whitetail with my creedmoor for 4 years. The furthest I've had one run is 30 feet, most of them crumple where they stand. What round are you using?
@@baracis85 what round are you using?
Sir, you are factual, professional, and articulate, thank you for this presentation
Thank you kindly!
30-06 hands down and 8 mm Mauser, my second favorite Caliber.Lastly the 308
I used a 30-06 until I shot my buddies 308 . I switched to 308 over 30 years ago and never wanted to go back .
8mm Mauser is the most underrated cartridge. My father in law used an 8mm Mauser since the 70s and has taken everything from brown bear to California mule deer with it.
@@cekamsr 8mm is a great round , but there is many good rounds .IT
A PLACEMEN THAT COUNTS to bring any target down.!
Happy hunting guys and everyone be safe🙏👍
Curious you should say that. One can make a case the 30-06 is an 8mm Mauser necked down to 30 caliber. Germany even took the US to court over it and won.
@Don Thursby Mauser sued the U.S. over the 1903 Springfield Rifle not the 30-03/30-06 cartridge
nothing that would make me go out and buy a 6.5. i'll keep my 30-06
Have seen game taken with both I choose the 30.06 with 180 gr bullets like partitions or norma oryx in the bush and 178 Eldx or 180 gr sierra gamekings in open areas with 400 yards max distance the advantages of the cm is basically only recoil
Nice stats bro. Awesome presentation!
Glad you liked it!
Okay one more thought to simplify your decision. If your the guy that just wants to put his boots on, go to Wally World and pick up a box of affordable shells (REM Core-Lokt, Win PP’s, and Federal power shocks) and put meat in the freezer I recommend 30-06 every day of the week, but if your the guy who reads ballistic charts. Sleeps with his rifle at night, and loves watching your bullet impact an animal through your scope at 300 yards I would go 6.5.
What does the creedmoor do significantly better than the 243win, 260rem, 7mm-08, 270win, 25-06rem, 264win-mag, 7mm rem-mag, 280rem, 300win-mag, or 338win-mag? (I've seen all of these for less than $400 with scope included) Nothing for the average shooter that I can see. It's nice, but due to its popularity, the excessive prices for the rifles and ammo put it out of the running for me.
Nobody is saying the creedmore does anything better
Just a thought...I would use the 30.06 still for most hunting. However, I would think the 6.5 would make a superior Sniper round..better than the .308? For what military and LE snipers have to do it seems almost perfect.
300 PRC is being used for extended range military snipers. 308 is great up to sub 500 yards, but beyond that it's not superior to smaller, higher-bc bullets in energy retention or flight times. It's a great trainer round because it has those 'issues' and exposes riflemen to the elements and how to develop 'dope' for making hits. I'd say the 6.5 CM is a great middle range caliber for those uses, certainly better than 5.56 Nato at longer ranges. What the military decides to use for its work has a lot to do with feasibility in weapons platforms in use, round-count and fit in magazines, overall loaded cartridge weight, supply logistics, and of course cost. Yet the sniper work is quite a bit different than the common combat personnel.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is almost a mirror of the old 6.5x55 Swede which was called the best sniper rifle ever made.
I’m beginning to think that CZcamsrs make 6.5 CM videos just for views. The 6.5 CM is a range toy and it makes sense that people are going to hunt with their most familiar with from the range. A race car is a lot of fun at the track, but the pick-up is what you take hunting.
I've never understood why people feel so strongly about the 6.5 Creedmoor. You don't think it's a real cartridge? Don't hunt with it. You don't like hearing about it? Don't watch CZcams videos about it.
I *love* the 6.5 Creedmoor. It’s one of my favorite calibers. If I was asked to chose to hunt with, I would choose the 6.5 creedmoor. I liked your video as well. Sorry, if you took offense. I was intrigued by the comparison and spoke a little tersely.
Ok, no worries. Glad you enjoyed the video and no offense was taken. All the best to you!
Kent Goldings - do you have multiple personalities?
@@kentgoldings chicken
Great presentation. The 3006 is the most versatile caliber of most calibers.
Correct you are 30-06 is versatile. I own one as well. I also own a 338 win mag which is also surprisingly versatile. I can shoot 180 grain to 300 grain bullets out of it
I'm confused now. I had believed;
- 6.5 CM for long distance paper
- 7mm RM for long distance meat.
- 308/30-06 for big critters close-in.
- 375 HH for fangs and claws.
I'm shocked that the ballistics for 6.5 CM and 30-06 are that similar. Not that much drop or drift in those examples. Gentler shooting experience is a plus, though on the East Coast 300 yards is a looooong shot.
Excellent video. Your comparison is just fine. Obviously there's differences.
I think the Creedmoor has brought in people that want to shoot a serious chambering without serious consequences (recoil, barrel life) for fun.
The problem with some people is they think just hitting a target a long way off translates to killing game animals and they don't appreciate the need for terminal performance.
The claims about the Creedmoor doing everything is childish but it's touched off a nerve with others that know better.
The people that know better get mad because rifles/chamberings may have some sentimental value.
Everyone wants to believe what they already have is better than something else and, in a way, a good rifle is like a trusted companion, especially if you need to depend on it.
The 6.5 Creedmoor has brought in a new way of thinking about efficiency and has made already existing and future chamberings have to try harder be more broadly useful and "check off as many boxes" as possible.
In a way the Creedmoor has imporoved existing chamberings because it's caused manufacturers to have to make better ammo so existing chamberings may be the ones to keep instead of getting the Creedmoor.
I'm a one centerfire rifle guy (economics and so on...) so I'm always wondering what the best all around, sensible chambering, factory ammo shooting, is. I've often thought the 308 or '06 is better because of their broader use, such as get lower grain weight ammo for fun shooting, then move up if/when the hunting need calls for it.
Do you think the '06 or 308 shoots smaller bullets as well as the Creedmoor does in it's grain weight range?
Now ive fired both from an AR platform. Ive got the Noreen BX36X3 chambered in 30-06 and an AR15 chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor from PSA. The difference in performance is the round. Ive used the Hornaday that you got here but, however, i switched over to Vortex 30-06 for the Noreen and i can tell you i actually prefer the Vortex over the Hornaday. It just feels better and seems to be more accurate with both rifles having 20" barrels. Recoil is still an issue with the Creedmoor, its just not as pronounced.
The problem with the Creedmoor is its dwell time . It uses all of its energy too early. If it had a shallower shoulder with maybe 3 extra mm in case length it would be a far superior round.
I just finished reading about the 6.5 versus 30 06. I have a smith @ Wesson icon 30 06.
Sounds like the 30 06 barrel last longer than 6.5 creedmore, some creedmore barrels are only good for 2,000 rounds,
I recommend ear protection with anything larger then 22's, i have severe ringing in my ears from my 44 mag pistol without protection, it's very annoying 24/7.
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I believe the 6.5 Creed was developed to function through an AR Style Rifle with better attributes than the
308. It has accomplished that. The
most important thing is to find acceptance with consumers. So far it has done so. I hope it continues to grow in popularity and ammunition cost trends down.
I always thought if a big game rifle doesn’t have a good size recoil it’s not doing it job 👍
The 6.5 creedmore has been weighed measured and been found wanting.
Inside 300 yards no animal will ever know the difference if you do your part.
I’m not an expert on this but I recall seeing videos of Banana Ballistics doing a comparison with multiple cartridges and The 6.5 CRD held up pretty damn well and penetrated through half in plate of steel. Some secondary shots didn’t go right through but it penetrated deep enough to knock it out of its placement holder. It’s a solid round.
I'd take the 280AI over either of these, best balance of all worlds.
.308 is 7.8mm
.280 is 7.2mm
And the 6.5 is...
The .280AI shoots better b.c. bullets with plenty of velocity and has over 2000fps at 600 something yards, the .308 has 350 yards?
And the 6.5 doesn't make a big enough hole for some hunting or take a heavy enough bullet.
The 280 has the bigger diameter more like 308 and the better b.c. like the Creed.
Softgame targets
.223? For muntjac etc
7mm-08 for medium targets
280AI for larger ones
But if ammo is hard to get then I'll take anything I can feed!
Thank you trying to find a good elk hunting rifle you did a great job helping me choose
I load 156 norma oryx bonded for my brothers gas 20 inch 6.5 creed. I believe Velocity should be 2525 will test on elk. 125 yards and in
I would like to see the 06 loaded with those really long aerodynamic bullets
First off I do not currently own a 30-06 but have in the past. I am and always have been a 7 bore fan and the 7mm-08 is my caliber of choice. Nothing wrong with the good ole 06. That said the 6.5 NEEDSMORE is a joke caliber and yes I have owned and shot them it just flat out sucks in my opinion. EVERYTHING AND I MEAN EVERYTHING THE NEEDSMOORE CAN DO MY 7MM-08 CAN DO BETTER..............
If 6.5 is your shoe size go with the creedmore
... just ask the US Marines at "Bella Woods/WWl" ... the Germans where amazed when the Marines started dropping German solders at +800yds w/ open sights ... using the 1903 Springfield w/ the .30-06 ... and a legend was born ....
Excellent presentation.
Thanks for watching!
This comparison should use the plastic pointed boatailed bullet in BOTH the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 30-06, otherwise the comparison is of apples and oranges. The Creedmoor is firing a much better bullet than the 30-06 so the comparison is ridiculous.
If you actually watched the video, you'd see that I did indeed compare the two cartridges to each other when using the exact same type of "plastic pointed boattailed" bullets.
Much better? Open a hand loading manual and you'll realize, for hunting, the .30 call is hands down the most versatile. The 6.5 is a great " niche" round.
really? youre going to compare the creedless to the o6?
Yes, but in fairness, if you look through my video library you'll see that I've compared the 6.5 Creedmoor to all sorts of other cartridges. Thinking about comparing it to the 338 Lapua as well just for laughs.
Appreciate the info
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
I prefer the 30 06, I've taken whitetail deer, and feral hogs with mine.
I think you should compare apples to apples. If are going to compare these 2 rounds make sure they are the type of bullets high vc to high vc
What is a high vc?
The 6.5 creed is king of the range. The 06 is king of the woods. Cheer's
6.5 Creedmoor is "new to hunting"? It's been out since 2007
New is a relative term, especially compared to the .30-06 which is literally over a century older...
6.5 Grendel is enough for whitetail! 😁
Right? But the creedmore is a joke🤣🤣😂🤣
One cartridge was designed to win a game, the other to win two world wars. This being a big game hunting channel, this video is 15 minutes too long.
Gave you plenty of time to comment a couple of times. Thanks!
compare 6.5 creedmoor & 25-06
Your wish is my command: czcams.com/video/T3IK2GHl0K0/video.html
GET LOST !!! 3006 has and will continue to do everything asked of it. Period.
Well, I think that was a little excessive...
.257wby for the win 🏆
Plot twist, 308 offers better performance than both in shorter barrels - shorter barrels only, but still, it does.
exactly, carrying an 18” bolt gun is a HUGE advantage.
At what range?
And at what altitude?
No it doesn't
Tomorrow the fanboys will compare creedmoor to .375:)
You can compare anything to anything. I've thought about doing a 22LR vs 50 BMG comparison just for kicks...
The 6.5 grendel beats them other two rounds
Why do you say that?
My grendel with 18in barrel has been more effective than my 6.5 creedmoor T/C compass. The 2 deer I have shot with the creedmoor have run the longest of animals I have shot. No blood trail for the first 30-50yards until the chest cavity filled up. Then had the largest blood trails I have needed to follow. I have shot deer and hogs out to almost 200 yards with the grendel and they dropped or went 10ft. My 270 has also dropped everything I shot out to 200 yards. The grendel and 270 I shoot federal fusion. 6.5 creed I've only used the hornady Whitetail 129gr so need to test other bullets for quicker kills or do high shoulder shots instead of lung/heart shots.
6.5 s for target 308w 30-06 for hunting.
Put high BC bullets in the 30-06 and then compare the two.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video...