DMS had the auto fare collection equipment fitted at the entry point, whilst the DM was designed for crew operation. The DM had an extra 3 seats in the space where the AFC had been.
OK - DMS was the double deck OPO version of the SMS and MBS. They were designed to have been fitted with the turnstyle AFC machinery. In later years, not all were but the OPO designation stood. The DM was the fully seated version, could be crew of OPO (and reclassified D), depending upon whether or not the bus was fitted with a drivers' ticket machine. The B20 was still a Fleetline and classified, as above, as appropriate, but had a "quiet pack" fitted at the rear to make engine noise less intrusive - only they made the bus sound like a hair dryer, hence the slang name for the bus.
Well, that takes me back! Grew up with these things. Geared to the front doors. The Iveco engined ones (Suttonbus and South London buses) were better than the the Leyland ones but they were incredibly smokey. Absolutely fantastic video.
DMS had small rear vents, and the later DM has the huge 'hairdryer' vents at the back, in an attempt to overcome engine cooling issues that plagued the earlier DMS buses.
It’s nice to see these kind of videos brings me back to my Younger days. we should most definitely meet up and perhaps I can film some of your bus videos from above
DMS 2247 to 2646 lasted until late 91/early 92 when they were replaced by available Metrobuses at Sutton, Merton, Stockwell and Croydon. They were also at Thornton Heath and Brixton plus a few ran from Streatham too.
Plenty of "Silkies" doing the rounds back then! Theses busses were so loved and adored by passengers and LRT drivers alike. They nearly eclipsed respect that Routemasters had enjoyed (and still do so) in the public psyche. Though they never reached the iconic status that the much loved Routmasters did. Silkies did achieve a sense of mysterious if not iconography. One London bus driver once remarked "You have never truly experienced life until you've driven a Silky"
Leyland fleetline wow this bus Rocks this has got to be the best old bus in London the engine is good and the same of the old buses I don't know when it got withdrawn
After they were re engineered in 87/88 they really flew. The upgrade gave them a very distinctive final drive whine. Used to listen to the night bus climbing Forresters Drive and then running off down Mollison Drive towards Croydon.
Most independents and others, Chesterfield Transport for one operated the DMS at some point in the 80's/90's. They seemed to perform reasonably well outside of London. Maybe the faults were ironed out with age?
I find something endearing about the DMS bus early OPO buses shame they weren't in service for long but they also had a lot of mechanical gremlins can't beat the 2nd generation of OPO buses the Metrobus and the Titan both pleasure to drive
@@BristolRE although I passed my test on one of Leasides/Arrivas Metros I prefer both in equal measure. The Titan as a boy growing up in Ilford they were common place and weren't that bad to drive in service bearing in mind they were being phased out for the more modern Tridents
I think the S in DMS meant that they were OPO operated. Nice reminder of how ugly they were. One was in service for 9 months before it broke down, was stripped down for spare parts and was then scrapped.
Some had 4 leaf doors, some two, not sure why, Lol. Not very reliable at the start, but they plodded on and worked outside of London with no real issues.
@@BristolRE The variant here is the later B20 - which had the bi-folding doors and wedge shaped air cowls at the rear with a modified rear light cluster. It was the earlier non-B20 which had the 4 leaf doors.
DMS had the auto fare collection equipment fitted at the entry point, whilst the DM was designed for crew operation. The DM had an extra 3 seats in the space where the AFC had been.
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@@BristolRE obviously by the time of your video there was little difference as the AFCs had gone and they were all OMO.
@@mondyboy81 Very true
OK - DMS was the double deck OPO version of the SMS and MBS. They were designed to have been fitted with the turnstyle AFC machinery. In later years, not all were but the OPO designation stood. The DM was the fully seated version, could be crew of OPO (and reclassified D), depending upon whether
or not the bus was fitted with a drivers' ticket machine. The B20 was still a Fleetline and classified, as above, as appropriate, but had a "quiet pack" fitted at the rear to make engine noise less intrusive - only they made the bus sound like a hair dryer, hence the slang name for the bus.
Thanks, what a confusing mix of codes!
Well, that takes me back! Grew up with these things. Geared to the front doors. The Iveco engined ones (Suttonbus and South London buses) were better than the the Leyland ones but they were incredibly smokey. Absolutely fantastic video.
Thanks, happy days (sorry for the late reply!)
DMS had small rear vents, and the later DM has the huge 'hairdryer' vents at the back, in an attempt to overcome engine cooling issues that plagued the earlier DMS buses.
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Nostalgia! Brilliant to see the old buses and cars
Happier times
I can smell the diesel smoke through the screen
Lol
Great video nice to see old buses in different places in London.
Thanks
These last examples ran for about 14 years so we're not that bad a vehicle at heart - once they got on top of the maintenance of them
@@Keithbarber Indeed
It’s nice to see these kind of videos brings me back to my Younger days. we should most definitely meet up and perhaps I can film some of your bus videos from above
I so want a drone, lol
loving these 1990 look back videos
Thanks, a few more to come on days when I do not have anything new to upload.
These old videos are great Dare I say proper buses 😮
Thanks, and I agree.
DMS 2247 to 2646 lasted until late 91/early 92 when they were replaced by available Metrobuses at Sutton, Merton, Stockwell and Croydon. They were also at Thornton Heath and Brixton plus a few ran from Streatham too.
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Plenty of "Silkies" doing the rounds back then! Theses busses were so loved and adored by passengers and LRT drivers alike. They nearly eclipsed respect that Routemasters had enjoyed (and still do so) in the public psyche. Though they never reached the iconic status that the much loved Routmasters did. Silkies did achieve a sense of mysterious if not iconography. One London bus driver once remarked "You have never truly experienced life until you've driven a Silky"
Never heard the expression Silkie before
Whas a Silky?
Nice video Peter.
Thank You
Leyland fleetline wow this bus Rocks this has got to be the best old bus in London the engine is good and the same of the old buses I don't know when it got withdrawn
They were still around in London in 1990
The "THX...S" Fleetlines were running with small operators in East Manchester ca. 1993. They weren't there long but they seemed to perform well.
After they were re engineered in 87/88 they really flew. The upgrade gave them a very distinctive final drive whine. Used to listen to the night bus climbing Forresters Drive and then running off down Mollison Drive towards Croydon.
Most independents and others, Chesterfield Transport for one operated the DMS at some point in the 80's/90's. They seemed to perform reasonably well outside of London. Maybe the faults were ironed out with age?
Quite likely
I find something endearing about the DMS bus early OPO buses shame they weren't in service for long but they also had a lot of mechanical gremlins can't beat the 2nd generation of OPO buses the Metrobus and the Titan both pleasure to drive
Always preferred a Metro to drive over a Titan
@@BristolRE although I passed my test on one of Leasides/Arrivas Metros I prefer both in equal measure. The Titan as a boy growing up in Ilford they were common place and weren't that bad to drive in service bearing in mind they were being phased out for the more modern Tridents
@@stephenport4768 Didn't like the smaller steering wheel on the Titan, plus they tended to have worse road holding in the wet than a Metro
I've seen this video in the past without the commentary. is that one still available to view as well?
It's 2 minutes and 40 seconds in to this video:
czcams.com/video/kX_P8dWn2PM/video.html
Great video Peter
Cheers
I think the S in DMS meant that they were OPO operated. Nice reminder of how ugly they were. One was in service for 9 months before it broke down, was stripped down for spare parts and was then scrapped.
Some had 4 leaf doors, some two, not sure why, Lol. Not very reliable at the start, but they plodded on and worked outside of London with no real issues.
@@BristolRE the last batches had 2 doors, and i read,that the s, some supousse for standee, but iam not sure
@@marcelomenendez1971 The type is too confusing for me, lol
@@BristolRE The variant here is the later B20 - which had the bi-folding doors and wedge shaped air cowls at the rear with a modified rear light cluster. It was the earlier non-B20 which had the 4 leaf doors.
@@PERCYxyz...no sir, the 2 panel doors were on the later deliveries of the standards too