@@arthuralford - Except for the fact that they mixed their HDD sizes, I think Tested did a decent job already. But if they want some real storage, I can hook them up with people from Hitachi Data Systems, or one of the other real-deal Enterprise-class storage vendors. None of this piddly terabyte nonsense….
I LOVE tested and am a huge fan (Maker + IT Guy here), but really, go watch Linus Tech tips if you want more accurate detailed information about RAID, and Synology Hybrid RAID, etc. This is a bit tough to watch, he mentions using different sized disks and that you are supposed to use the same size, but "its what he has". Hybrid RAID is what allows that, i think some deep explanation of Hybrid raid vs standardized old school raid modes would be helpful for people to understand, as Hybrid Raids are game changers. Otherwise, people getting a NAS (Synology, QNAP, FreeNas, etc.) are forced to supply same sized disks, this isn't exactly misinformation, but its not the whole picture, and I hope/expect people shopping for a Synology will do a deeper dive with more research.
@@simplebuilds8872 - Nah, the Synology does exactly what is required, and doesn’t have the additional administrative overhead of the kinds of systems that Linus builds. If you want something to play around with, do it the Linus way. If you want something that just works and you don’t have to think about it, you want Synology.
@@simplebuilds8872 - the thing about the builds that Linus does is that there really isn’t any collaboration. He does it for you, or his people do it for you, while you watch. We’ve seen that pattern multiple times. That’s fine for a “show and tell”, but he’s done that type of show and tell multiple times. We don’t really need to see another one, at least not until there’s something materially different.
RAID -> "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks" originally. When large disks where expensive, you could use raid to combine a bunch of cheap disks into the size of a large disk for less money.
Absolutely true, Size but it was mainly created by Berkely researchers for Speed. The old 5 1/4 harddisks (winchesters) were relatively slow compared to the massive platters that mainframes used (more circumference, more data per cycle and less seeking required). Their idea was to actually combine many disks together to get that same performance for minis. An extra benefit (depending on the RAID level) was extra storage but it was a secondary concern to the researchers.
I’m an IT Infrastructure Architect, you explained what a NAS is very nicely 👍🏻 I have a hardware sas raid card so that I can have a raid 6 array with 18tb of storage space which acts as warm storage in case I need some older footage (current work footage stays on some NVME’s, but also replicated to the raid array), and then I have a NAS with 40TB of capacity which is cold storage and stays powered off most of the time and I backup everything to it once a month or so. The onboard raid can transfer files at around 550 MB/s which I’m happy with for them being spinning disks.
@@GermanEngineer84 I was thinking something closer to what LTT setup for Destin but throw in a stack of 10Gb copper interfaces since Tested has already adopted it.
@@Nighthawke70 I haven't really run numbers, but I've considered Amazon's S3 storage, you can use trims with lower storage speed or even tape storage for fractions of a penny per GB
@@saulnunez2625 I'll take your word for it. I peeked at S3's configuration page and came away scratching my head in confusion. There's more settings there than a nuclear weapon arming panel.
They are great if you don't know hardware/software well enough to set up your own stuff and have an offsite backup. There are much better and cheaper solutions (Unraid) for keeping your data intact locally than an old school RAID array. RAID is great for some things but if hardware fails your data is most likely screwed because rebuilding a RAID array can be a nightmare.
@@wymcoupe9335 funny. I have a technical background and used self build linux/unix based storage for years. Our company still uses Storage Servers forspecial purposes, obviously. But for private use I couldn’t disagree more. I don’t know why you mix up a NAS with an raid and a backup solution. „A NAS isn’t a backup“ is a saying as old as the switch from SAN to NAS most companies did back in the days…
WD Mybook Live all the way! I never know when I go into it if all my data will be there or not. Does Synology have that kind of emotional roller coaster, I bet not!
My late uncle’s entire photo collection was on one of those drives. I’m so happy I backed it all up to Google and unplugged the damn thing before they started getting hacked.
I was just about to buy a NAS system, specifically the DS1621S+ wanting to do exactly what you're describing, to have multiple people editing remotely and I thought that the lag will be fixed with my internet speed but you've corrected me! I need the DS1621XS+ to actually be able to. Thanks!
I’m one of the technical reviewers for the O’Reilly book “Using SANs and NAS” by Curtis Preston. I can confirm that Synology has a good reputation as a Prosumer/low-end business NAS device. TrueNAS is also a good solution, and Unraid is also pretty good. Synology has the advantage of being something that a reasonably smart person could buy “off the shelf” and manage for themselves with DSM, whereas I think you’d need more technical expertise to manage any of the decent alternatives. And if you were using Unraid, then you’d have to build the RAID server itself, or have someone like Linus build it for you. There is competition in this space from vendors like QNAP, but I believe that Synology is the better solution here. And yes, I am a satisfied Synology owner myself - 5x14TB Seagate Ironwolf NAS drives in RAID-6. But I don’t have 10G Ethernet, nor do I have an SSD cache. Both things I want to fix in my next unit.
@@shubinternet It's a bit ironic that you reply to the guy who points out this video seems a lot like paid promotion, with a comment that reads a lot like paid promotion.
@@rolflager7716 - I’m just a happy customer who has spent my own money buying the hardware I have. Not everything about them is perfect, to be sure. But Synology sucks less than any other solution I’ve found in this space, and I’ve spent thousands of dollars over the years trying to find something suitable.
I’m happy with this video because it confirms my decision years ago that Synology was one of the best platforms for photo and video. I lost terabytes of data on a WD before I switched to Synology. BTW, he did say at the beginning that Synology sent them an upgrade which is the 1612xs+
@@rolflager7716 Seeing as half of his suggestions are free and open source software, you're going to need to cough up a lot more evidence than 'zero' that those suggestions are paid for
Wildly useful and interesting video. Thanks for putting this together and also for you cadence of delivery! So many tech vids people are talking so slow. Love the speed of delivery you've got here. Again, thanks. Awesome.
You dont need 10g if you are editing alone. 1g connection is great for editing directly from the nas if u edit with max. 2 persons at a time. Check your network while editing, it is true
Nice Try Mr. CEO! It certainly would be buzzword compliant, but I very much doubt the practicality. Local Storage (inside your PC): extremely fast access, you've got everything in one place, easy to work with. The PC might become very cumbersome and expensive with lots of drives inside. You are also putting all your eggs into one basket - if the PC goes down, likely your data goes down as well. On the other hand this is the most reliable way to access video data - the links inside the PC are definitely fast enough. NAS in the same building: more flexible, the access is as fast as the cabling in your house allows (switch to Gigabit or better!). With a professional solution it is easy to build a good backup solution. For a professional one the price tag is a bit shocking at first, but consider that the NAS is taking over an essential task of your PC (storage) - then the prices seem more appropriate. In my experience Synology is one of the more professional ones out there - good support, great applications, proper security. With solutions below that price range you get some more or less fatal flaws built into the system. Solutions above that range are usually geared towards large corporations. Synology also allows you to make your data available to you on the road, which can be quite useful - I wouldn't do this with the usual consumer grade NAS'es - you can pretty much say goodbye to your data due to a lack of security updates in many cheaper solutions. NAS in a different office or from the road: access speed is at best as fast as the connectivity on both ends. Meaning if the connectivity breaks somewhere then you do NOT have access. Expect it to be relatively slow compared to an in-house NAS. Good to have access to some critical files on the road or to slowly copy data to a different site. Not useable for fast data access like what you need during a video edit. (Note: watch the video again - he explicitly uses a direct 10GB link between NAS and PC.) Quite useable if you just want to keep data in one place and have it accessible from outside (albeit not very fast). NAS has the upside that you can scale up when needed - if you buy a big enough base unit you can simply add drives (plan about 1 day for the system to integrate the drive) or you can add units to your network when needed. You (and your budget) decide the number of baskets for your eggs. Cloud: let's be honest here! You put all of your eggs into someone else's basket. THEY control the storage. THEY are responsible for security (or lack thereof). THEY have access to your files and can (and will) peruse them at THEIR leisure. THEY can terminate or block your service at any time and possibly without giving you enough time to retrieve your data. On the other hand: no need to think about all those complex IT topics, very compelling (at first) cost structure, almost no need to plan ahead, data accessible from "everywhere". The speed sucks compared to in-house NAS (just a bit better than an NES in a different office) and you also have to worry about connectivity. My honest recommendation: keep the data you currently work on on your PC with a possible backup copy on the network. Install a professional NAS for keeping all of your data at hand. Plan big! (I made the mistake of buying a 2-bay NAS for my personal use and already regret it 6 months later. Should have kept more spare bays.) If you go really big like Tested and have a 10GB port on the NAS and the PC, you can access the files directly on the NAS, but I'd recommend not planning on it before you actually tested it. Plan an additional backup somewhere outside - if you have multiple offices keep a second NAS in the other office and make them sync their data. If you don't have a second office, but have the money pay a professional backup service to keep a copy for you - don't use a "cloud" service if you can avoid it, there are services geared towards businesses that provide secure backup. If you don't have that kind of money: store the data encrypted in the cloud - make sure the keys are in a secure and safe place - this is planning for your office to burn down, so keep a copy of the keys in a different part of town. Don't use the "encryption service" of the cloud provider - use a professional or Open Source application to encrypt your files before they ever reach the cloud provider. Pro tip: if the cloud provider does not allow encrypted files then they plan to use your data for their own purposes. Since it was mentioned - Starlink: apart from you contributing to a serious light pollution problem, you are now dependent on weather - your connection will break randomly during bad weather and especially thunderstorms (you know: the time you don't fly, but could use for editing). Same goes for any long range wireless connection.
At this point, why not just put in a server rack with storage and run an open source OS to store local data? (not trying to hijack an ad but just curious)
If space is a priority, then sure go with a compact NAS box like this. But, they are insanely expensive. I built my own NAS with a 20 HDD bay 4U chassis running Unraid OS for less than a 1/4 of the price for one of those Synology boxes, and it's massively more upgradable, more storage capacity, more network speed via pcie cards, better software, etc.
Raid isn’t a backup. It is only resiliency. Imagine if your office floods and you lose all your footage. Getting some form of offsite backup is crucial for any business and anyone who has data they cannot lose
Unraid is great software. It's one of the better solutions for keeping data intact especially if your using mix and match hardware. I built an Unraid server for a friend for around $200 using old hardware (not including the Unraid license) and while he's lost some hardware he hasn't lost a single bit of data.
I always wanted a Drobo but just don't have the money for all that storage. I wonder if something is going on worn the company though, they've been "sold out" for like a year.
I'd love to know what your cold storage methods are. Offloading a ton of data onto a 10tb hard drive is great, until it gets forgotten about and the spindle freezes on the drive. I've dealt with LTO but the linearity is an absolute nightmare to work with and so is the reliance on flaky software.
when setting up a backup system, be sure that you don't have shortcuts nested in your backup, as it will backup those links until, in my case, 1.5 TB of duplicates as the 2TB dive filled up. Took me a week to track down the shortcuts.. A smarter system than mine might spot that. A redundant array of Oops
A decently smart backup system will deduplicate those extra copies, and/or at least notice the loop and avoid traversing that link which would create all those extra copies. Lots of sufficiently smart programs in this space, including Restic, Rclone, Duplicati, Borgbackup, Arq, Rdiff-backup, and many more.
@@shubinternet Thanks, yes, I was using a lazy system of backing up that included the shortcuts, I may comment to the drive maker to tweak the checks for that. Shook up my lazy approach :)
I hope y'all use a corporate VPN to protect that stuff from the outside world. (Not to be confused with an "I want to pretend I'm in Europe today" VPN...)
I think it was that long ago, "Independent" has been the accepted term for years now. Also, hate to be that one but you can also google it yourself first ;)
@@darranstyler No you didn't. The first Google result is Wikipedia where the very first line says "RAID (/reɪd/; "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks"[1] or "Redundant Array of Independent Disks"[2]) is a data storage virtualization technology..."
@@High-Tech-Geek Technically Inexpensive was the first thing that came up closely followed by Independent 😂. I like Inexpensive as it puts it in to context. Back when I started in IT large server disk where hugely expensive and being able to use standard SCSI disks in servers with redundancy was a huge thing.
In the 'maker' spirit of this channel, you need to follow up with suggestions on how home users can build their own NAS. Not everyone needs or can afford something like this Synology unit.
Synologys 2 drive bays are like 100 bucks on Amazon. If you can't afford that you aren't gunna build a DIY solution cheaply. You could buy a really old system off eBay, pop a raid card in, and then host a samba server or sftp. There's plenty of software out there, unRAID, freeNAS and more all with advantages. You could just use a linux host and use zfs which is *really* powerful but fairly advanced. Edit: someone mentioned a Raspberry Pi, as someone with a lot of experience with them, they aren't that reliable at all, and while not terribly underpowered, they don't easily support raid or have enough bandwidth for more than a couple hard drives. You can use software raid, bit it's not great.
@@volkswagen1221 there's been development in the pi world when it comes to nas and such. This is pretty interesting. But, as you say: it's perhaps not easy www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/building-fastest-raspberry-pi-nas-sata-raid
Qnap with it's QTS HERO that has ZFS support is really great. Real time file integrity checking is awesome, especially with large media files. You need beefier hardware and SSD drives for caching really make a huge difference. Also the biggest difference - QNAP hardware is vastly superior to synology. Synology software is slightly better, but QNAP hardware is far more powerful and modern - dunno why Synology insists on wimpier hardware.
@@chaosmike84 Well, 3.5" HDD's are more durable than 2.5" HDD's so if bigger is an option maybe go that way but the reality is spinning disks are fragile so I guess do what you can?
To another Synology device on the same LAN. From there, I would use standard backup tools that are available as packages in the DSM operating system and upload to Amazon S3 Intelligent Tiering, Backblaze, or rsync.net. You better hope you have a good upload speed, though - 90 tebibytes is 98956046499840 bytes, and 10 megabits per second upload is 1.25 megabytes per second (ignoring frame overhead, etc…), which works out to 79164837.199872 seconds, or 916.2596898133 days. Can you sustain 10mbps upload speeds over a three year period?
@@shubinternet Back in the day, you could copy locally and mail the drives to the cloud services for the initial backup... Don't know if they still offer that service.
@@High-Tech-Geek - AWS does have the Snowball, which is a small ruggedized array you can get them to ship you, so that you can copy your files over to it via the LAN, and then ship the unit back to them. See docs.aws.amazon.com/snowball/latest/ug/whatissnowball.html and aws.amazon.com/snowball/pricing/ and Backblaze has a comparable Fireball (see help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001918654-Fireball-FAQ ). I’m not sure about rsync.net but they might also have a similar service.
didn't Synology have a period where lots of their power supplies were failing? has that gotten better? think gamers nexus did a piece on it. that put me off Synology
No promo here. Just a demonstration of an actual good product. Don’t get me wrong, TrueNAS is also a good product, and I’ve got some friends who work there. But it’s more expensive than Synology, and more importantly it’s not a drop in upgrade for an existing Synology device. If the guys at TrueNAS wanted to give free hardware to Tested, I suspect that Adam and crew would be willing to accept it. But I can tell you that TrueNAS is not as easy to administer as DSM.
If Linus wants to say cute with regards to some of this stuff, then I’ve got some people at Hitachi I can hook him up with who build and manage Backblaze scale private systems. There is absolutely nothing that Linus is doing that we weren’t doing decades ago with Sun “Thumpers”.
Not to be confused with RAID-S. S RAID (SHR) Synology Hybrid Raid. Let's you use any size of disk combinations, without losing any wasted space that cannot be allocated (outside of the chosen redundancy).
@@Steven-ex3ne Having been a synology user since 2011 (still running a DS1512), I’ve never heard it called RAID S or S RAID….. I totally use my Synology with Synology Hybrid array and BTRFS file system. These units are solid.
Yall should contact Linus Tech Tips and see if they can hook you up with much more massive storage blade with a vendor supplied hardware. They make a couple videos, you make a couple videos and the vendor's happy.
Synology is expensive. It has a subscription set up that makes it even more cost ineffective. Better to use a custom DIY server with free NAS or equivalent for home or smal company use.
I'm not aware of any subscription for Synology that I would personally use. If you want to store files on your LAN, Synology does that just fine without any sort of subscription and it comes with a bunch of very handy features like the convenient hotswappable bays and customer support. If you choose to go the custom route, you have to take the time to learn that stuff, which is not for everybody, and you run a higher risk of misconfiguring something if you don't know what you're doing. And if you're a small business that only needs a few terabytes worth of storage space, it's probably not a bad idea to have a standard device so that in the event of a failure of the device itself, it might be easier to access the data again. I briefly worked in IT for an engineering firm and the servers were a rat's nest of random shit the previous IT guys slapped together before they left. It's good to be crafty but sometimes you're leaving problems for the next guy.
@@puppet-head Yep. I'm a computer geek that runs all flavors, and while I love my unraid, the Synology is just simple, basic, always works. I would never put a homemade NAS in a business environment, and Tested is for sure a business.
I don’t pay a license for my Synology NAS. Sure, they have extra software you can get that would require a subscription, but all the core features of Synology are free with the hardware. And many of the applications they make available are also free, because they’re containerized versions of the very same open source software you’d use on any Linux box. Plex is just one example. Heck, you can run your own containers on Synology, if you really want. I wouldn’t suggest it, but you could do it.
Tested's Media Management Workflow video: czcams.com/video/Yud8-l68vm8/video.html
Find out more about Synology Storage Solutions: sy.to/aogjb
Ohhhh really liking this more “tech” oriented content here on tested. Keep it up y’all.
Would love to see a recording gear breakdown video
Time to 3d print a NAS enclosure? :P
Going full circle
Once borders open up it would be so cool to see a Linus Tech Tips collab on this kind of stuff for the cave!
No, get Wendell with Level 1 Techs, who basically is the storage guru for people like Linus and Gamers Nexus
@@arthuralford True, but imagine the collab opportunity for the maker side of LTT, especially with people like Colin and Alex.
@@arthuralford - Except for the fact that they mixed their HDD sizes, I think Tested did a decent job already.
But if they want some real storage, I can hook them up with people from Hitachi Data Systems, or one of the other real-deal Enterprise-class storage vendors. None of this piddly terabyte nonsense….
I LOVE tested and am a huge fan (Maker + IT Guy here), but really, go watch Linus Tech tips if you want more accurate detailed information about RAID, and Synology Hybrid RAID, etc. This is a bit tough to watch, he mentions using different sized disks and that you are supposed to use the same size, but "its what he has". Hybrid RAID is what allows that, i think some deep explanation of Hybrid raid vs standardized old school raid modes would be helpful for people to understand, as Hybrid Raids are game changers. Otherwise, people getting a NAS (Synology, QNAP, FreeNas, etc.) are forced to supply same sized disks, this isn't exactly misinformation, but its not the whole picture, and I hope/expect people shopping for a Synology will do a deeper dive with more research.
I’ve got some talks and papers from Curtis Preston to share with you folks. He literally wrote the book on “Using SANs and NAS”.
Tested needs @LinusTechTips to come over and help setup a server
@@simplebuilds8872 - Nah, the Synology does exactly what is required, and doesn’t have the additional administrative overhead of the kinds of systems that Linus builds.
If you want something to play around with, do it the Linus way. If you want something that just works and you don’t have to think about it, you want Synology.
@@shubinternet Agreed, but I would love to see the collaboration video though
@@simplebuilds8872 - the thing about the builds that Linus does is that there really isn’t any collaboration. He does it for you, or his people do it for you, while you watch. We’ve seen that pattern multiple times. That’s fine for a “show and tell”, but he’s done that type of show and tell multiple times. We don’t really need to see another one, at least not until there’s something materially different.
RAID -> "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks" originally. When large disks where expensive, you could use raid to combine a bunch of cheap disks into the size of a large disk for less money.
Absolutely true, Size but it was mainly created by Berkely researchers for Speed.
The old 5 1/4 harddisks (winchesters) were relatively slow compared to the massive platters that mainframes used (more circumference, more data per cycle and less seeking required).
Their idea was to actually combine many disks together to get that same performance for minis.
An extra benefit (depending on the RAID level) was extra storage but it was a secondary concern to the researchers.
Remember to add a UPS for backup power, there's a few reports of Synology NAS's getting wiped during a power cut.
I’m an IT Infrastructure Architect, you explained what a NAS is very nicely 👍🏻 I have a hardware sas raid card so that I can have a raid 6 array with 18tb of storage space which acts as warm storage in case I need some older footage (current work footage stays on some NVME’s, but also replicated to the raid array), and then I have a NAS with 40TB of capacity which is cold storage and stays powered off most of the time and I backup everything to it once a month or so. The onboard raid can transfer files at around 550 MB/s which I’m happy with for them being spinning disks.
We need to get Linus to send them a storinator
That would be awesome! Then he could send Anthony to get it to actually work!
@@madgeniusmusic oof... Seriously though, I'd love to see an Adam/Linus collab. Adam would build a sick rack mount case...
@@gryyphyn8639 that would be brilliant.
I was thinking the whole time about Linus' storage solution. But LTT/LMG is a whole different size compared to Tested.
@@GermanEngineer84 I was thinking something closer to what LTT setup for Destin but throw in a stack of 10Gb copper interfaces since Tested has already adopted it.
Remember kids; RAID is not a backup method! Keep copies on a second storage system if you want/need backups.
Google drive or OneDrive are your friends for offsite storage.
@@Nighthawke70 I haven't really run numbers, but I've considered Amazon's S3 storage, you can use trims with lower storage speed or even tape storage for fractions of a penny per GB
A backup, by definition, IS a second storage system.
@@saulnunez2625 I'll take your word for it. I peeked at S3's configuration page and came away scratching my head in confusion. There's more settings there than a nuclear weapon arming panel.
I upgraded to a synology and never looked back. Their stuff is amazing 😁👍
They are great if you don't know hardware/software well enough to set up your own stuff and have an offsite backup. There are much better and cheaper solutions (Unraid) for keeping your data intact locally than an old school RAID array. RAID is great for some things but if hardware fails your data is most likely screwed because rebuilding a RAID array can be a nightmare.
@@wymcoupe9335 funny. I have a technical background and used self build linux/unix based storage for years. Our company still uses Storage Servers forspecial purposes, obviously. But for private use I couldn’t disagree more. I don’t know why you mix up a NAS with an raid and a backup solution. „A NAS isn’t a backup“ is a saying as old as the switch from SAN to NAS most companies did back in the days…
I love how you speak so fast, taking it a notch back on playback speed is absolutely perfect
WD Mybook Live all the way! I never know when I go into it if all my data will be there or not. Does Synology have that kind of emotional roller coaster, I bet not!
My late uncle’s entire photo collection was on one of those drives. I’m so happy I backed it all up to Google and unplugged the damn thing before they started getting hacked.
I was just about to buy a NAS system, specifically the DS1621S+ wanting to do exactly what you're describing, to have multiple people editing remotely and I thought that the lag will be fixed with my internet speed but you've corrected me! I need the DS1621XS+ to actually be able to.
Thanks!
Feels less like a media management video and more like a sponsored video that hasn't been listed as such.
I’m one of the technical reviewers for the O’Reilly book “Using SANs and NAS” by Curtis Preston. I can confirm that Synology has a good reputation as a Prosumer/low-end business NAS device. TrueNAS is also a good solution, and Unraid is also pretty good. Synology has the advantage of being something that a reasonably smart person could buy “off the shelf” and manage for themselves with DSM, whereas I think you’d need more technical expertise to manage any of the decent alternatives. And if you were using Unraid, then you’d have to build the RAID server itself, or have someone like Linus build it for you.
There is competition in this space from vendors like QNAP, but I believe that Synology is the better solution here.
And yes, I am a satisfied Synology owner myself - 5x14TB Seagate Ironwolf NAS drives in RAID-6. But I don’t have 10G Ethernet, nor do I have an SSD cache. Both things I want to fix in my next unit.
@@shubinternet It's a bit ironic that you reply to the guy who points out this video seems a lot like paid promotion, with a comment that reads a lot like paid promotion.
@@rolflager7716 - I’m just a happy customer who has spent my own money buying the hardware I have.
Not everything about them is perfect, to be sure. But Synology sucks less than any other solution I’ve found in this space, and I’ve spent thousands of dollars over the years trying to find something suitable.
I’m happy with this video because it confirms my decision years ago that Synology was one of the best platforms for photo and video. I lost terabytes of data on a WD before I switched to Synology. BTW, he did say at the beginning that Synology sent them an upgrade which is the 1612xs+
@@rolflager7716 Seeing as half of his suggestions are free and open source software, you're going to need to cough up a lot more evidence than 'zero' that those suggestions are paid for
I just saw Ted from _The Art of Photography_ demonstrating his use of his Synology NAS.
It’s so nice to see Joey. Well done dude! Thank you for sharing a small part of day to day. I hope we see more of you soon!
Using the DS918+ for my photography and home CCTV. It's fantastic.
Wildly useful and interesting video. Thanks for putting this together and also for you cadence of delivery! So many tech vids people are talking so slow. Love the speed of delivery you've got here. Again, thanks. Awesome.
This dude looks like the undefeated, undisputed Chael Sonnen! That's a compliment.
You dont need 10g if you are editing alone. 1g connection is great for editing directly from the nas if u edit with max. 2 persons at a time. Check your network while editing, it is true
A flight can create 300 GB of raw video for us, this might be a solution!
You might want to consider cloud upload and storage if it's flying data. Combine it with Starlink and you are cutting-edge already!
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 we’ll check it out, Dropbox is too slow, expensive and buggy for us!
Nice Try Mr. CEO! It certainly would be buzzword compliant, but I very much doubt the practicality.
Local Storage (inside your PC): extremely fast access, you've got everything in one place, easy to work with. The PC might become very cumbersome and expensive with lots of drives inside. You are also putting all your eggs into one basket - if the PC goes down, likely your data goes down as well. On the other hand this is the most reliable way to access video data - the links inside the PC are definitely fast enough.
NAS in the same building: more flexible, the access is as fast as the cabling in your house allows (switch to Gigabit or better!). With a professional solution it is easy to build a good backup solution. For a professional one the price tag is a bit shocking at first, but consider that the NAS is taking over an essential task of your PC (storage) - then the prices seem more appropriate. In my experience Synology is one of the more professional ones out there - good support, great applications, proper security. With solutions below that price range you get some more or less fatal flaws built into the system. Solutions above that range are usually geared towards large corporations. Synology also allows you to make your data available to you on the road, which can be quite useful - I wouldn't do this with the usual consumer grade NAS'es - you can pretty much say goodbye to your data due to a lack of security updates in many cheaper solutions.
NAS in a different office or from the road: access speed is at best as fast as the connectivity on both ends. Meaning if the connectivity breaks somewhere then you do NOT have access. Expect it to be relatively slow compared to an in-house NAS. Good to have access to some critical files on the road or to slowly copy data to a different site. Not useable for fast data access like what you need during a video edit. (Note: watch the video again - he explicitly uses a direct 10GB link between NAS and PC.) Quite useable if you just want to keep data in one place and have it accessible from outside (albeit not very fast).
NAS has the upside that you can scale up when needed - if you buy a big enough base unit you can simply add drives (plan about 1 day for the system to integrate the drive) or you can add units to your network when needed. You (and your budget) decide the number of baskets for your eggs.
Cloud: let's be honest here! You put all of your eggs into someone else's basket. THEY control the storage. THEY are responsible for security (or lack thereof). THEY have access to your files and can (and will) peruse them at THEIR leisure. THEY can terminate or block your service at any time and possibly without giving you enough time to retrieve your data. On the other hand: no need to think about all those complex IT topics, very compelling (at first) cost structure, almost no need to plan ahead, data accessible from "everywhere". The speed sucks compared to in-house NAS (just a bit better than an NES in a different office) and you also have to worry about connectivity.
My honest recommendation: keep the data you currently work on on your PC with a possible backup copy on the network. Install a professional NAS for keeping all of your data at hand. Plan big! (I made the mistake of buying a 2-bay NAS for my personal use and already regret it 6 months later. Should have kept more spare bays.) If you go really big like Tested and have a 10GB port on the NAS and the PC, you can access the files directly on the NAS, but I'd recommend not planning on it before you actually tested it. Plan an additional backup somewhere outside - if you have multiple offices keep a second NAS in the other office and make them sync their data. If you don't have a second office, but have the money pay a professional backup service to keep a copy for you - don't use a "cloud" service if you can avoid it, there are services geared towards businesses that provide secure backup. If you don't have that kind of money: store the data encrypted in the cloud - make sure the keys are in a secure and safe place - this is planning for your office to burn down, so keep a copy of the keys in a different part of town. Don't use the "encryption service" of the cloud provider - use a professional or Open Source application to encrypt your files before they ever reach the cloud provider. Pro tip: if the cloud provider does not allow encrypted files then they plan to use your data for their own purposes.
Since it was mentioned - Starlink: apart from you contributing to a serious light pollution problem, you are now dependent on weather - your connection will break randomly during bad weather and especially thunderstorms (you know: the time you don't fly, but could use for editing). Same goes for any long range wireless connection.
At this point, why not just put in a server rack with storage and run an open source OS to store local data? (not trying to hijack an ad but just curious)
If space is a priority, then sure go with a compact NAS box like this. But, they are insanely expensive. I built my own NAS with a 20 HDD bay 4U chassis running Unraid OS for less than a 1/4 of the price for one of those Synology boxes, and it's massively more upgradable, more storage capacity, more network speed via pcie cards, better software, etc.
Thanks for this! Can you explain how you use multiple thunderbolt adaptors to have multiple users connect at once?
Thanks for a peek under the hood. BTW, what is your video editor of choice? Thanks again!
We use Premiere!
@@tested thanks!
Raid isn’t a backup. It is only resiliency. Imagine if your office floods and you lose all your footage. Getting some form of offsite backup is crucial for any business and anyone who has data they cannot lose
I stopped using cloud services and use my synology for everything, I don't trust big tech anymore.
Redundant array of INEXPENSIVE disks... Not "Independent", but whatevs.... Still works
Both definitions have been used within the storage community. I’ll give Tested a pass on this.
It’s been Independent for a long time. Inexpensive was used early on but no longer relevant for today.
I am looking at doing an Unraid that Joseph Christina mentions in his videos. I like his logic and reasoning in not relying on devices like Synology.
Unraid is great software. It's one of the better solutions for keeping data intact especially if your using mix and match hardware. I built an Unraid server for a friend for around $200 using old hardware (not including the Unraid license) and while he's lost some hardware he hasn't lost a single bit of data.
I always wanted a Drobo but just don't have the money for all that storage. I wonder if something is going on worn the company though, they've been "sold out" for like a year.
So to edit off the system you need to attach the laptop to it?
At multiple points i half expected Linus to pop in the frame saying "Aaaaand here is where i come in"
Linus is way too arrogant.
I'd love to know what your cold storage methods are. Offloading a ton of data onto a 10tb hard drive is great, until it gets forgotten about and the spindle freezes on the drive. I've dealt with LTO but the linearity is an absolute nightmare to work with and so is the reliance on flaky software.
Raspi Pi 4 with open media vault is a good intro to nas
when setting up a backup system, be sure that you don't have shortcuts nested in your backup, as it will backup those links until, in my case, 1.5 TB of duplicates as the 2TB dive filled up. Took me a week to track down the shortcuts.. A smarter system than mine might spot that. A redundant array of Oops
A decently smart backup system will deduplicate those extra copies, and/or at least notice the loop and avoid traversing that link which would create all those extra copies. Lots of sufficiently smart programs in this space, including Restic, Rclone, Duplicati, Borgbackup, Arq, Rdiff-backup, and many more.
@@shubinternet Thanks, yes, I was using a lazy system of backing up that included the shortcuts, I may comment to the drive maker to tweak the checks for that. Shook up my lazy approach :)
Tested: This is our NAS for our video production on our 10G/s network.
LinusTechTips: Awe, how quaint?
I hope y'all use a corporate VPN to protect that stuff from the outside world. (Not to be confused with an "I want to pretend I'm in Europe today" VPN...)
Would love to see a LTT collaboration
Hate to be that one but isn't it Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks? At least it always was but guess it could have changed
I think it was that long ago, "Independent" has been the accepted term for years now. Also, hate to be that one but you can also google it yourself first ;)
@@daanwilmer I did Google it, first result came back as Inexpensive 😂
@@darranstyler No you didn't. The first Google result is Wikipedia where the very first line says "RAID (/reɪd/; "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks"[1] or "Redundant Array of Independent Disks"[2]) is a data storage virtualization technology..."
@@High-Tech-Geek Technically Inexpensive was the first thing that came up closely followed by Independent 😂. I like Inexpensive as it puts it in to context. Back when I started in IT large server disk where hugely expensive and being able to use standard SCSI disks in servers with redundancy was a huge thing.
In the 'maker' spirit of this channel, you need to follow up with suggestions on how home users can build their own NAS. Not everyone needs or can afford something like this Synology unit.
I have seen videos of people making a Raspi-based NAS. That would be an excellent project for here.
Synologys 2 drive bays are like 100 bucks on Amazon. If you can't afford that you aren't gunna build a DIY solution cheaply. You could buy a really old system off eBay, pop a raid card in, and then host a samba server or sftp. There's plenty of software out there, unRAID, freeNAS and more all with advantages. You could just use a linux host and use zfs which is *really* powerful but fairly advanced.
Edit: someone mentioned a Raspberry Pi, as someone with a lot of experience with them, they aren't that reliable at all, and while not terribly underpowered, they don't easily support raid or have enough bandwidth for more than a couple hard drives. You can use software raid, bit it's not great.
you can get some for a couple hundred bucks
@@volkswagen1221 there's been development in the pi world when it comes to nas and such. This is pretty interesting. But, as you say: it's perhaps not easy www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/building-fastest-raspberry-pi-nas-sata-raid
@@theablanca17 I've tinkered around with the pi 4 and storage and IMO it's just not powerful enough a device to do that well enough.
It's an awesome solution and device. The only thing is that Synology didn't ask for my address
I think the only thing that wasn't promotion for Synology was the mention of an external backup facility. 😑
Not a sellout or promotion for Synology. A demonstration of an actual good product.
linus of ltt has successfully desensitised me to nas storage volumes below a petabyte
Linus is a bit of an ass
My nas is setup with ipxe network boot :)
Where is Simone ?
Qnap with it's QTS HERO that has ZFS support is really great. Real time file integrity checking is awesome, especially with large media files. You need beefier hardware and SSD drives for caching really make a huge difference. Also the biggest difference - QNAP hardware is vastly superior to synology. Synology software is slightly better, but QNAP hardware is far more powerful and modern - dunno why Synology insists on wimpier hardware.
*big data*
Wow. I just bought a Toshiba portable hard drive and it has already failed. It's only been 3 days!
Mechanical? Those things are fragile.
@@TheOnceAndFutureDoug yup. It was working fine until it was time to move around. Now it won't even turn on
@@chaosmike84 If you can swing it, buy an M.2 SSD and slap it into any enclosure you can off Amazon. Great speeds and solid durability.
@@TheOnceAndFutureDoug the problem is I need one that's at least 3T for all the data I use up. And those ssd are $$ at that capacity
@@chaosmike84 Well, 3.5" HDD's are more durable than 2.5" HDD's so if bigger is an option maybe go that way but the reality is spinning disks are fragile so I guess do what you can?
How on earth do you back something like that up?
To another Synology device on the same LAN. From there, I would use standard backup tools that are available as packages in the DSM operating system and upload to Amazon S3 Intelligent Tiering, Backblaze, or rsync.net. You better hope you have a good upload speed, though - 90 tebibytes is 98956046499840 bytes, and 10 megabits per second upload is 1.25 megabytes per second (ignoring frame overhead, etc…), which works out to 79164837.199872 seconds, or 916.2596898133 days. Can you sustain 10mbps upload speeds over a three year period?
@@shubinternet Back in the day, you could copy locally and mail the drives to the cloud services for the initial backup... Don't know if they still offer that service.
@@High-Tech-Geek - AWS does have the Snowball, which is a small ruggedized array you can get them to ship you, so that you can copy your files over to it via the LAN, and then ship the unit back to them. See docs.aws.amazon.com/snowball/latest/ug/whatissnowball.html and aws.amazon.com/snowball/pricing/ and Backblaze has a comparable Fireball (see help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001918654-Fireball-FAQ ). I’m not sure about rsync.net but they might also have a similar service.
Adam, you should try lego customizing!
Can you edit out of it?
didn't Synology have a period where lots of their power supplies were failing? has that gotten better? think gamers nexus did a piece on it. that put me off Synology
We are using Avid Media Composer, Avid Interplay, with Nexis.
LINUS TECH TIPS COLLAB!!!!!!!!!
For 1500 empty I think id rather build my own, might need more knowhow but thats part of the fun, especially for home use.
Curious as to why you chose Synology over other platforms such as TrueNAS?
Because they paid for the promo?
No promo here. Just a demonstration of an actual good product.
Don’t get me wrong, TrueNAS is also a good product, and I’ve got some friends who work there. But it’s more expensive than Synology, and more importantly it’s not a drop in upgrade for an existing Synology device.
If the guys at TrueNAS wanted to give free hardware to Tested, I suspect that Adam and crew would be willing to accept it. But I can tell you that TrueNAS is not as easy to administer as DSM.
Linus watching: Cute
If Linus wants to say cute with regards to some of this stuff, then I’ve got some people at Hitachi I can hook him up with who build and manage Backblaze scale private systems.
There is absolutely nothing that Linus is doing that we weren’t doing decades ago with Sun “Thumpers”.
Need to get Linus Tech Tips in here...
S RAID?
Not to be confused with RAID-S. S RAID (SHR) Synology Hybrid Raid. Let's you use any size of disk combinations, without losing any wasted space that cannot be allocated (outside of the chosen redundancy).
@@Steven-ex3ne Having been a synology user since 2011 (still running a DS1512), I’ve never heard it called RAID S or S RAID…..
I totally use my Synology with Synology Hybrid array and BTRFS file system. These units are solid.
hi Adam, hi everyone " never seen this item before
bet it comes in handy for CZcams creators, ", :)
Clean your table. it's distracting...
Yall should contact Linus Tech Tips and see if they can hook you up with much more massive storage blade with a vendor supplied hardware. They make a couple videos, you make a couple videos and the vendor's happy.
Synology is expensive. It has a subscription set up that makes it even more cost ineffective. Better to use a custom DIY server with free NAS or equivalent for home or smal company use.
I'm not aware of any subscription for Synology that I would personally use. If you want to store files on your LAN, Synology does that just fine without any sort of subscription and it comes with a bunch of very handy features like the convenient hotswappable bays and customer support.
If you choose to go the custom route, you have to take the time to learn that stuff, which is not for everybody, and you run a higher risk of misconfiguring something if you don't know what you're doing. And if you're a small business that only needs a few terabytes worth of storage space, it's probably not a bad idea to have a standard device so that in the event of a failure of the device itself, it might be easier to access the data again. I briefly worked in IT for an engineering firm and the servers were a rat's nest of random shit the previous IT guys slapped together before they left. It's good to be crafty but sometimes you're leaving problems for the next guy.
@@puppet-head Yep. I'm a computer geek that runs all flavors, and while I love my unraid, the Synology is just simple, basic, always works. I would never put a homemade NAS in a business environment, and Tested is for sure a business.
I don’t pay a license for my Synology NAS.
Sure, they have extra software you can get that would require a subscription, but all the core features of Synology are free with the hardware.
And many of the applications they make available are also free, because they’re containerized versions of the very same open source software you’d use on any Linux box. Plex is just one example.
Heck, you can run your own containers on Synology, if you really want. I wouldn’t suggest it, but you could do it.
Mine was under $500 plus drives. NO subscription, no idea what you're talking about.
That could hold so much hentai :o
Kids show’s
Oh dear. Synology? Really? nooooooo
Yes cus everyone wants to spend hours setting up and managing a custom NAS versus actually getting work done and making money.