Bethesda: "Oh, this game just wasn't up to our high standards." *casually ignores the backwards-flying dragons, corrupted save files, etc of vanilla Skyrim*
Obsidian accepted the bet, and they lost. Though it's entirely Bethesda fault for rushing the game in order for it to have a lower score. Obsidian was stupid and naive to accepted Bethesda's term in the first place.
weirdly enough though, the guy who leaked that info on twitter (and then deleted it) was Chris Avellone, who recently left Obsidian and now is writing for...Prey by Arkane/Bethesda. Funny how the world works. But yeah Zenimax management is ubercunty.
And the sad thing is, Bethesda is trying everything it can to make sure people don't know what happened, given how the ads of the new prey game keep on being shoved down my throat.
The thing is though, bethesda softworks and zenimax are still private companies so a lot of stuff that happens internally will never be revealed, everything we know are just conjecture for the most part and we'll never know for sure what happened unless damning evidence is brought forward. I think this thing has gone a little too heated and everyone involved just wants to get over it, there are plenty of games that can take your time and money so don't need to get so angry at something that is inconsequential right now.
Why Blade Runner? I mean wasn't Blade Runner restricted to Humans/androids? But i agree a Blade Runner type game would be cool. I think the next best thing for us honestly is Blade Runner: The RPG aka Cyberpunk 2077.
+SuperSpikewolf This is rumored to be why Bethesda now owns Arkane, at all, which would explain why Dishonored probably doesn't look as good as the E3 trailer it came out with.
imgur.com/a/MH0OK Here's just 2 of the other times. Call it hearsay all you want because there's no concrete evidence, but its a consistent story of ANYONE who worked under the Bethesda publishing label. A little research into the studios that they have acquired over the years also validates that its a consistent thing that happens.
The worst par of the change of Prey 2 is that I love System Shock 1/2 and a spiritual successor by Arkane (who were former devs of Looking Glass) would be great. Just don't call it fucking Prey.
I feel the same way. I played through and completed System Shock 1 and 2 for this video and I'm definitely interested in a sequel or another game like it, but there is no reason to call it Prey. I hope it develops more of an identity as they show more.
As much as I feel the same way as you do, I'm really looking forward to this new installment. It might be Prey In Name Only but I still love me a good Sci-Fi Action Horror FPS. Also as an addendum, what the fuck Bethesda? I know you produce good games now but shit like this makes you no better than the EAs/Ubisofts/Activisions of the world.
Gizelbelcoot You literally just mentioned the thing Hyper said about the supposed "theme of the game" of being hunted. It's still vague as fuck either way and still not really what "Prey" was. Prey was a action focused FPS first with some light puzzles on occasion and some fun vehicle sections. NuPrey is focused on being an action RPG with some shooting elements and being the vein of a classic game (System Shock) similar to how Dishonored was a spiritual successor to the original Thief games. And there's nothing wrong with that on it's own, the issue is Bethesda slapping the IP on a game that has nothing to do with the previous iteration while fucking over another game that looked promising. Stop sucking Bethesda off.
Tyler Rue wish another publisher would buy the prey rights off bethesda. a publisber thats nice enough. hell how about cdredproject buy the prey rights and get human head studios as the developers on board so they can resume in creating prey 2.fuck bethesda and fuck u pete hines. lying corporate asswhole
They wouldn't need to look much further than Bethesda's modding forum to see good reasons never to work with that company. They completely fucked up console modding and pretty much tore their community apart. Additionally, they outright stole mods from their players and sold them for profit. Even Far Harbor is nearly a carbon copy of a popular New Vegas mod campaign.
Which makes me sad that both id Software and MachineGames are stuck working under them. Id's been my favorite game developer ever since I was a kid and MachineGames has earned nothing but my respect between Escape from Butcher Bay and the latest Wolfenstein.
For what it's worth, id has enough reputation that the suits probably aren't stupid enough to really meddle with them. Also, at the HH site, apparently they did some work with Irrational on Bioshock Infinite, which is neat.
Durandurandal They were told finish DOOM or be turned into a tech company. The first version of DOOM they made was basically Doom meets Call of Duty. Rage was forcefully gutted to sell DLC back,but sold so badly because of it that ID released an entire DLC set later they had finished. Their owners are pure douchebags.
Instead of Space Cowboy bounty hunter we get first person Dead Space SOMA. With the Prey 2 change and the cancellation of Star Wars 1313 I hope little hopes for a proper space bounty hunter game. I JUST WANNA BE A SPACE COWBOY DAMNIT.
***** That wasn't been taken seriously. I was just recommending a good bounty hunter space game. Also nice edgy/out of the norm opinion at the end there. I bet you have people flocking to be friends with you because of how edgy you are at school.
Not that the new 2017 Prey game is bad, but this seems just WAY more interesting and fun, a space western set in a cyberpunk city, with cool parkour mechanics, sandbox area with rpg elements where you take on the role of a space bounty hunter taking on bounties on dangerous alien criminals and gangs, with lots of cool new features, hell this sounds better than any game now. It a real goddamn shame that it got cancelled.
Was going to say this. I really enjoyed new Prey, although I started to get bored towards the end. Prey 2 sounded way more fun. Plus, I like more ambiguous moral systems.
What sucks the most is that I recently read something that Humanhead died, was rebranded as a new studio with some of the remnants of the old team, which was then bought out by Bethesda. All of this pain, anguish, and pettiness...all for nothing. That hurts the most.
I never kept up with Prey back when it came out, though I remember everyone being really hyped for the sequel. Now that I've actually seen what the sequel could've been, I kinda wanna bang my head against a wall because holy fuck that looks amazing. Goddammit, Bethesda. You keep fuckin' up.
It's very unfortunate what happened to the game. The concept does sound amazing, and even though I'm not a fan of first person shooters I would have definitely played the game. And what Bethesda did when they refused to be bought sounds just fucking evil. Just evil, man.
Thank you for making this video, between their shitty play testing, seriously dropping the ball with F4, and the whole Human Head situation I became sick to my very core whenever Bethesda/Zenimax receive praise.
Yeah fuck bethesda let's just forget the good games they did. (Dishonored, Doom, Wolfenstein.) On a serious note you guy's need to get laid. It's just a game.
After this fiasco, I'm done supporting Bethesda in any way. I'll take my free Skyrim HD upgrade and never play it since mods have already outdone it. What they did to Human Head was ridiculous, and if I had to guess, illegal. If there's ever a major Bethesda email hack, I can practically guarantee we'll see evidence of illegal activity. That would really make my day.
I believe Human Head. What we've seen looks awesome. Bethesda saying the game failed their quality standards when they've published Rogue Warrior is clearly bullshit. Bethesda did similar shenanigans to get the Fallout license from Interplay: they gave Interplay a loan, set a deadline, and according to the contract if Interplay's progress failed standards Bethesda set, the license would lapse to Bethesda entirely. Every human and alien in the universe has said with one voice, "The new 'Prey' looks like a shit Bureau knock-off. Prey 2 was awesome. Fuck Pete Hines for ruining the latter and publishing the former instead".
It's pretty shitty to see a publisher screw over a developer like this, but it's fairly common. It's not well published but Bethesda has a track record of messing with developers and then buying them out. There's really nothing stopping these giant publishers from screwing with their developers.
That 'Prey' reboot trailer... *WUUUUUUUUUUUUB* OMG MUH EYE SO STRANGE GUYZ *WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB* OMG SCARY STUFF SCENE CUTS *WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB* WAAA SOMETHING DARK JUMPED AT MEEE *WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB* It's like they tried to make a trailer _out_ of red flags.
Fallout 4 was a failed experiment, nothing more, nothing less. They improve the shooting and the weapons by the fuck load but sacrificed the story and the RPG elements. They are trying to make something new. But it was retarded of them to put one of their most profitable franchise on the chopping block like that.
I played Fallout 3 for 5 hours and it was one of the most boring games that I played. I left Skyrim after 20 hours but Oblivion I played it for like 100 hours, so yeah bethesda is everyday worst and worst
I have to admit for a long time I didn't give Prey 2017 a chance because of the shenanigans with the original Prey IP. Having played Prey 2017 it quickly became a favourite of mine and I think it's one of the best immersive sims out there. I think naming it "Prey" saddled it with issues it didn't deserve and alienated a chunk of potential players rather than managing to 'cash in' on the name.
+qwertyMrJINX Yeah but that's debatable, considering those games make money no matter how fundamentally shite or good they are due to th brain dead fans they have no options but to publish BGS games, at this point they're like a necessary evil
Bethesda has quality standards? Could have fooled me. I love they're Elder Scrolls and Fallout, but this is a series I never got to try and Prey 2 looked like it was right up my alley too.
Not even greed, but spite. Bethesda would have made a good profit off of this even if they had not bought out the studio. They just wanted to punish them for saying 'no'.
Ugh, that E3 demo you showed (while a bit rough around the edges) looked so cool. Can't wait for Bioshock meets Dead Space to feature none of that rad shit.
This game would be pretty f*cking awesome mechanically and beautiful graphically even today, 5 years later, when game market is overflown with photorealistic graphics and innovative mechanics. In 2012/13.... this would've been a blockbuster, a masterpiece. Curse you, Bethesda, for ruining this.
I honestly remember seeing the Prey 2 gameplay videos and shitting my pants with excitement, years later I completely forgot until this video. So sad to know a game of such promise is gone. Watching this LiC got my hype for a game I'll never play, but I guess that is sorta the point of the series.
Fuck Bethesda for this. This game looked so promising... I hope another developer makes a similar game to this concept. And i actually really liked the original Prey. Still have it on disc.
It reminds of the XCOM reboot debacle where XCOM was originally going to be rebooted as a "strategic" fps set in the 50s with black goo aliens and humanoids. Only with XCOM the reboot project eventually changed mid-production so much that eventually it series instead got rebooted with an actual enhanced remake that ended up being much more memorable, while the "reboot" became XCOM DECLASSIFIED and quickly forgotten about....
I hope human head use the idea of Prey 2 in their next release. It's a sound idea and would probably work in today's video game climate. It's different, original and to be honest, I really think people are waiting for an alien bounty hunting game.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. Really, many people thought that twist in Prey made it stand out as it presented an interesting angle when it comes to player agency. And I thought the whole experience was enjoyable for what it was. I liked it better than the Dishonored series. And I would understand your disdain towards ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks but Arkane? They didn't do anything to Human Head. All they did was make their version of the game You are just being spiteful.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. But that "rubbish" was interesting and unique to many different people. There are youtubers like Extra credits and Errant signal who have gone and talked about Prey's ending in depth. You are acting like a spoiled brat here. I can understand not finding something to be as good as others have claimed it to be (Witcher 3 comes to my mind) but the attitude you are displaying here is garbage and shows your immaturity.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. Well that is just your own opinion then. But you didn't have to call anyone an idiot just for appreciating something you did not.
the more you look into how bethesda does things behind the scenes the more you see how much scumbags they really are. i think they are worst then EA and activision
For those interested in playing the original Prey, it's only available on PC via retail but the CD keys will activate on Steam (assuming they haven't been used). Used 360 copies are easy enough to track down, but the PC version is better for obvious reasons.
www.polygon.com/2012/9/28/3425300/the-mirror-men-of-arkane Raphael Colantonio (Arkane's founder): "... we didn't sell to [just any] publisher; we sold to the publisher that was meant for us. That would understand our values and supported us for what we wanted. Because they came for us. It's not, like, 'We just wanted to acquire some dudes, and hopefully you can make some stuff for us but we don't know what yet.' It was, 'We want you guys to work on what you know, and do it with the right horsepower.' That is awesome."
Prey 1 was such a cool game with amazing concepts. Their ideas of space were incredible. You'd be on a planet which was really just a bowling ball on a desk. Then you'd go into a small cube which would flip you upside down and teleport you into another room. Have been looking for Prey 2 for years!
WTF! They have thrown away a fully functional alien world where different aliens with different goals messed up with or helped humanity and you fought them with epic guns, parkour and many approaches to every situation, for this new rebooted System Shocked game where every enemy has the same color palette and you turn into objects to solve problems? The fans of the game are system shocked right now. Even Tommy would appear which means there was more to the story. When we completed Prey one and the guerrilla native humans of the sphere and us traveled to the galaxy THIS was one hell of an experience....Why? Because the hero was a victim coming from our time, he lost his girlfriend and grandpa and he was forced to learn superpowers, to fight an alien harvest world, to destroy it and then travel to new worlds where other aliens with different agendas were trying to use humans. Tommy and Kylian would be one hell of an action duo, a space barbarian and an amnesiac bounty hunter on a Bladerunner/Starwars world trying to survive. The new rebooted title may be a really badass game but branding Prey something completely different than the original title is a sign that a lot of people in Bethesda don't love videogame at all.
Just caught this vid via a link on the steam forums & wanted to say thanks, really great video covering some interesting points about the current Prey & its previous iterations. The whole Bethesda scenario wasnt something I was aware of at the time as I wasnt following that closely but sheds some light on dodgy practices. Anyways +1 for a great vid & subbed for more:)
Man, I didn't even know about the first Prey, let alone a sequel as conceptually awesome and well-announced as that. In this day and age where trickle-in pre-release info is the norm and Sonic Mania is *actually* one of the games we know enough about to have a really good idea of what to expect, Prey 2 getting *that* kind of reveal with so much promise and getting screwed over in the end just feels... fucking tragic.
This is a great video that was very painful to watch for me. If Prey 2 had came out and it was exactly how it looked like at E3, then there's not a single doubt in my mind that it would've been my favorite game ever. I was 13 years old when I saw that E3 2011 demo and I fell in love with the concept as I love the idea of being a bounty hunter on an alien planet with the freedom to do whatever I want. I was originally fine with Arkane working on Prey because I thought the devs behind Dishonored would handle that concept well but the new Prey really doesn't appeal to me.
Thank you for making this video. Prey 2 is a game that I still would love play to this day, don't even care if there is a leak of the alpha/beta. It's odd that I thought about the game today only then you uploaded this video. I just would like to see more bounty hunter games (in a first or third person shooter.) I guess I'll get my old copy of Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. It's not bounty hunting in it's core but it is enjoyable.
In addition to all this, Bethesda really needs to re-release Prey on Steam and Xbox Marketplace via backwards compatibility. I've really enjoyed some of their games this gen (mainly Wolfenstein and Doom), but they're kind of a dick publisher in a lot of ways. Take a look at how stand-offish Pete Hines (their VP of marketing/PR) got when asked about a simple re-release of Wolfenstein 2009 on Steam. twitter.com/dcdeacon/status/592884690471755778
"Bethesda really needs to re-release Prey on Steam and Xbox Marketplace via backwards compatibility." But then that means releasing a superior product that's competing with their own. And it's not like it has $40 of DLC to sell with it either.
Bethesda also started the DLC and microtransactions trend with their horse armor Oblivion DLC back in 2006. They also stopped Linux support for Quake Live, and made that game $10 instead of F2P. That company along with Zenimax deserves the worst and should go bankrupt.
Human Head Studios shut down in November of 2019. I like to imagine in an alternate universe Prey 2 did release. Humam Head joined the likes of Platinum, From Soft, and other studios, releasing a quality title every few years. That's not our universe though. Bethesda killed any chance of that.
Good work and thanks for the lowdown. I missed getting to play Prey and was even largely unaware of it, so I was curious what was behind the confusion and disappointment from fans.
I've heard a lot of bad stuff about ZeniMax and Bethesda, but this does bear the question how Tango Gameworks, MachineGames, Arkaine and id Software got aquired by them. Btw these all got aquired around the same time in 2010.
I'd imagine that they just saw a profitable deal and accepted it without much trouble. Id, for instance, wasn't doing too hot by the mid 2000's and so I don't doubt that they jumped on Bethesda's offer. The problem with the whole Human Head ordeal is that they didn't want to tie themselves to a studio (which Bethesda really should have just left alone; I can't believe how petty they got) and that they were in the middle of BUILDING A GAME for Bethesda. Whoever made the call to float the concept of buying Human Head at a time like that, and then pushed for it after the initial refusal, really was a total idiot.
It's like asking how EA bought out all those great companies between 2004 and 2007, they just had money and bought things with potential only to leech them dry and cast aside the husks.
The name is just a name. Through and through. Tom Hall from id came up with the concept and the whole time has been a working title that was slapped on two different good titles. Prey itself is vaporware.
Prey 1 was great except for the fact that I had to play in small chunks so I didn't blow chunks... The upside down stuff made me legitimately nauseous.
EA and Ubisoft gets all the bad press, I knew some details but this video actually made me angry for Human Head. Also >Didn't meet Bethesda's quality standards That's a laugh and a half.
I'm almost getting the feeling that Arkane's Prey is sort of a personal vendetta against now-defunct Irrational Games, or at least started out as such. The visual design and presentation builds right upon BioShock's - including deja-vu moments such as the trash can rolling down the staircase - and even the shape-shifting aliens are pretty much repurposed from Irrational's canned XCOM FPS that would later come back as 2K Marin's The Bureau. As such, Prey seems highly derivative in a very deliberate and calculated way, as if to say "We hated what they did with BioShock, so we decided to make our own", adding back in the missing bits from System Shock that were in none of the "official" spiritual successors aside from Deus Ex, namely the grid-based inventory screen, and non-linear skill tree, while also retaining the nonsensical alt-history weirdness, and of course "Steady now, your genetic code is being rewritten!"
But hey, we could get a cool sci-fi bounty hunter game from Star Wars... Oh wait, EA owns the license for Star Wars games now? Man, nothing about this situation has worked in our favor. Usually there's at least SOME form of silver lining.
Sometimes I watch the E3 trailer and cry myself to sleep
Happens to me with that 8 DAYS gameplay for the PS3.
+Bojan Babic girl in ur profile pic?
Gizelbelcoot
go fuck yourself freakin sexist and racist
+Gizelbelcoot Was being a hotheaded degenerate part of your plan?
+nuttex Begone nutted i mean nuttex
"bethesdas quality standards" is easily the best joke i heard in a while!
Bethesda talking about quality standards. They don't even finish their games and modders fix them.
If fucking Rogue Warrior can pass their "quality" standard, I call that bullshit!
Their recent games are of such quality that they aren't even fixable through modding.
Let's not forget about the PlayStation 3 version of Skyrim as well. "Quality standards" my ass.
Bethesda was in charge of the quality assurance of FO:NV which led to its buggy release.
Yea by that you can already tell what side was telling bullshit.
Bethesda: "Oh, this game just wasn't up to our high standards."
*casually ignores the backwards-flying dragons, corrupted save files, etc of vanilla Skyrim*
Or when their corpses randomly spawn into the ground...
Then Fallout 76 happened...
@@AvariceOverlord Yeah, seriously. Fuck Bethesda.
Bethseda, the same studio who refused to give Obsidian a bonus for missing their metacritic score by one.
Obsidian accepted the bet, and they lost. Though it's entirely Bethesda fault for rushing the game in order for it to have a lower score. Obsidian was stupid and naive to accepted Bethesda's term in the first place.
weirdly enough though, the guy who leaked that info on twitter (and then deleted it) was Chris Avellone, who recently left Obsidian and now is writing for...Prey by Arkane/Bethesda. Funny how the world works. But yeah Zenimax management is ubercunty.
From what I heard, it was royalties. Hope Bethesda burns. It poisons everything that it touches.
+8Paul7 What? Is Avellone writing for this game? I'm kinda excited now...
Arkanjo Teixeira Arkane Prey is going to be amazing just like every other Arkane game. And yeah Avellone is writing for it, so that goes double.
Prey 2, the game I never knew I wanted. It sucks that petty corporate bullshit got in the way of a potentially amazing game.
Story of videogames, unfortunately. There are so many cool ones that just sunk forever. It's really painful.
Bethesda totally Mafia - fucked human head!
Well, I waited for it... But Bethesda is too greedy.
And the sad thing is, Bethesda is trying everything it can to make sure people don't know what happened, given how the ads of the new prey game keep on being shoved down my throat.
The thing is though, bethesda softworks and zenimax are still private companies so a lot of stuff that happens internally will never be revealed, everything we know are just conjecture for the most part and we'll never know for sure what happened unless damning evidence is brought forward. I think this thing has gone a little too heated and everyone involved just wants to get over it, there are plenty of games that can take your time and money so don't need to get so angry at something that is inconsequential right now.
What a shame something so interesting could be destroyed by such bullshit.
"Quality standards"
Sure, I thought Brink was really the acme of quality, too.
Yeah quality you can wipe your fucking BACKSIDE ON!
*****
Todd Howard happened.
Morrowind had THAT MANY BUGS IT WASN'T FUNNEH! they were already in the dark side just after finishing daggerfall
The 2017 Prey footage does nothing for me. I wanted Blade Runner: The Shooter, goddamn it.
Fuuucking TOOOOOOOOODDDDD!!!!!!!
Why Blade Runner? I mean wasn't Blade Runner restricted to Humans/androids? But i agree a Blade Runner type game would be cool.
I think the next best thing for us honestly is Blade Runner: The RPG aka Cyberpunk 2077.
Yeah Prey2017 looks reall dull and unimaginative.
we have the deus ex series which is closer to blade runner than this
You wanted Marathon 3 don’t try to trick me I know this logo
So much hate for Bethesda in the comments restores my faith in humanity. They can't get away with everything forever.
After what happened with Fallout 76 I'm sure a lot of people hate them now.
"I hope Bethesda never tries that again"
How can you not be aware that Bethesda has done this exact thing like 3 times already?
Which are the other Times?
Really? that's horrible
+SuperSpikewolf This is rumored to be why Bethesda now owns Arkane, at all, which would explain why Dishonored probably doesn't look as good as the E3 trailer it came out with.
imgur.com/a/MH0OK
Here's just 2 of the other times. Call it hearsay all you want because there's no concrete evidence, but its a consistent story of ANYONE who worked under the Bethesda publishing label. A little research into the studios that they have acquired over the years also validates that its a consistent thing that happens.
@@Trakesh After fallout 76, I'm glad people are starting to see the hacks for who they really are!
The worst par of the change of Prey 2 is that I love System Shock 1/2 and a spiritual successor by Arkane (who were former devs of Looking Glass) would be great. Just don't call it fucking Prey.
I feel the same way. I played through and completed System Shock 1 and 2 for this video and I'm definitely interested in a sequel or another game like it, but there is no reason to call it Prey. I hope it develops more of an identity as they show more.
As much as I feel the same way as you do, I'm really looking forward to this new installment. It might be Prey In Name Only but I still love me a good Sci-Fi Action Horror FPS. Also as an addendum, what the fuck Bethesda? I know you produce good games now but shit like this makes you no better than the EAs/Ubisofts/Activisions of the world.
Hey Denton, its carrying same themes, and a reboot
+mechbgum No theme of being hunted as in the name of game, in anycase Bethesda,Tango and Arkane are blessing for industry
Gizelbelcoot You literally just mentioned the thing Hyper said about the supposed "theme of the game" of being hunted. It's still vague as fuck either way and still not really what "Prey" was. Prey was a action focused FPS first with some light puzzles on occasion and some fun vehicle sections. NuPrey is focused on being an action RPG with some shooting elements and being the vein of a classic game (System Shock) similar to how Dishonored was a spiritual successor to the original Thief games. And there's nothing wrong with that on it's own, the issue is Bethesda slapping the IP on a game that has nothing to do with the previous iteration while fucking over another game that looked promising. Stop sucking Bethesda off.
This is probably the best video to show someone who doesn't know about the original Prey 2. Great video man, keep up the good work.
+Not A Particularly Remarkable Brick or go to EA and change all the assets to a Bobba Fett Bounty Hunter Game O.O
+BJ Blazkowicz, no thanks, I'd rather not have to spend $50 dollars on a DLC to get the entire game.
+BJ Blazkowicz, How about NO. I would prefer that didn't happen thank you very much.
Lol that ain't ever happening. You must be dreaming pal.
I HOPE THEY DO! IT HAS TO HAPPEN TOO BAD THEY DIDN'T TORRENT THE DAMN GAME TO US!
Human Head should just create another game that looks exactly like they were trying to make Prey 2. Call it something else. I'd play it.
bethesda would sue the shit out of them if human head ever releases such a game
Tyler Rue wish another publisher would buy the prey rights off bethesda. a publisber thats nice enough. hell how about cdredproject buy the prey rights and get human head studios as the developers on board so they can resume in creating prey 2.fuck bethesda and fuck u pete hines. lying corporate asswhole
Tyler Rue call it Predator
"call it Predator"
That'd be perfect.
Call it fuck Bethesda
Rumor has it that with the failed Human Head acquisition and the successful acquisition few studios are willing to work with Bethesda.
I hope this is true. No developer should ever have to go through what Human Head had to deal with from Bethesda Softworks.
They wouldn't need to look much further than Bethesda's modding forum to see good reasons never to work with that company. They completely fucked up console modding and pretty much tore their community apart.
Additionally, they outright stole mods from their players and sold them for profit. Even Far Harbor is nearly a carbon copy of a popular New Vegas mod campaign.
Which makes me sad that both id Software and MachineGames are stuck working under them. Id's been my favorite game developer ever since I was a kid and MachineGames has earned nothing but my respect between Escape from Butcher Bay and the latest Wolfenstein.
For what it's worth, id has enough reputation that the suits probably aren't stupid enough to really meddle with them.
Also, at the HH site, apparently they did some work with Irrational on Bioshock Infinite, which is neat.
Durandurandal They were told finish DOOM or be turned into a tech company. The first version of DOOM they made was basically Doom meets Call of Duty. Rage was forcefully gutted to sell DLC back,but sold so badly because of it that ID released an entire DLC set later they had finished.
Their owners are pure douchebags.
Instead of Space Cowboy bounty hunter we get first person Dead Space SOMA.
With the Prey 2 change and the cancellation of Star Wars 1313 I hope little hopes for a proper space bounty hunter game.
I JUST WANNA BE A SPACE COWBOY DAMNIT.
See you space cowboy...
1. It's not a horror game
2. Play Star Wars Bounty Hunter if you want a good bounty hunter gamer
- t.Bethesda shill
Wait did you say the game SOMA because if you like dead space and bioshock then you will like SOMA
***** That wasn't been taken seriously. I was just recommending a good bounty hunter space game. Also nice edgy/out of the norm opinion at the end there. I bet you have people flocking to be friends with you because of how edgy you are at school.
I wanna be a space cow boy, not play another game trying to be system shock.
Have you heard of Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath? You play as an alien bounty hunter.
See you space cowboy.
Yeah, but that's based on one planet though, not in space.
I know SO DID I!
Yeah A HUGE fucking planet though and a space station!
Not that the new 2017 Prey game is bad, but this seems just WAY more interesting and fun, a space western set in a cyberpunk city, with cool parkour mechanics, sandbox area with rpg elements where you take on the role of a space bounty hunter taking on bounties on dangerous alien criminals and gangs, with lots of cool new features, hell this sounds better than any game now. It a real goddamn shame that it got cancelled.
Was going to say this. I really enjoyed new Prey, although I started to get bored towards the end. Prey 2 sounded way more fun. Plus, I like more ambiguous moral systems.
@@catocall7323 Same. Loved Prey 2017 and like in the 3rd act, I started to lose interest and it became less compelling.
What sucks the most is that I recently read something that Humanhead died, was rebranded as a new studio with some of the remnants of the old team, which was then bought out by Bethesda. All of this pain, anguish, and pettiness...all for nothing. That hurts the most.
And now that new studio is being closed down by Microsoft because Redfall failed. The Human Head Studios story is just constant tragedy.
I'll never understand why videos like this don't get millions of views.
Picked up the original Prey for a dollar in a gamestop as a random purchase ($1 game? can't pass) and lucked up and it was a great game lol
After watching this video, I think I'm going to go find a couple to play for myself!
Wait, Bethesda has quality standards beyond "modders will fix it"?
Another reason to hate Bethesda? I'll take it.
Why is Bethesda run by leeches?
They are owned by Zenimax who are even bigger miserly shitlords
and nasty feminist shitlords!
not leeches, they're run by the typhon.
I never kept up with Prey back when it came out, though I remember everyone being really hyped for the sequel. Now that I've actually seen what the sequel could've been, I kinda wanna bang my head against a wall because holy fuck that looks amazing.
Goddammit, Bethesda. You keep fuckin' up.
It's very unfortunate what happened to the game. The concept does sound amazing, and even though I'm not a fan of first person shooters I would have definitely played the game. And what Bethesda did when they refused to be bought sounds just fucking evil. Just evil, man.
I didn't know I wanted Prey 2.
I'm depressed now
Thank you for making this video, between their shitty play testing, seriously dropping the ball with F4, and the whole Human Head situation I became sick to my very core whenever Bethesda/Zenimax receive praise.
Bethesda is a bad company both by its practices and its products.
I look at F1/F2. Then I look at F4 and I cannot believe how they managed to fuck up a whole IP!!
+Benny Olly bethesda is the next EA
Also... Bad writing!
Just look at President Eden conversation at FO3 lol.
Yeah fuck bethesda let's just forget the good games they did. (Dishonored, Doom, Wolfenstein.) On a serious note you guy's need to get laid. It's just a game.
After this fiasco, I'm done supporting Bethesda in any way. I'll take my free Skyrim HD upgrade and never play it since mods have already outdone it. What they did to Human Head was ridiculous, and if I had to guess, illegal. If there's ever a major Bethesda email hack, I can practically guarantee we'll see evidence of illegal activity. That would really make my day.
I believe Human Head. What we've seen looks awesome. Bethesda saying the game failed their quality standards when they've published Rogue Warrior is clearly bullshit.
Bethesda did similar shenanigans to get the Fallout license from Interplay: they gave Interplay a loan, set a deadline, and according to the contract if Interplay's progress failed standards Bethesda set, the license would lapse to Bethesda entirely.
Every human and alien in the universe has said with one voice, "The new 'Prey' looks like a shit Bureau knock-off. Prey 2 was awesome. Fuck Pete Hines for ruining the latter and publishing the former instead".
It's pretty shitty to see a publisher screw over a developer like this, but it's fairly common. It's not well published but Bethesda has a track record of messing with developers and then buying them out. There's really nothing stopping these giant publishers from screwing with their developers.
That 'Prey' reboot trailer...
*WUUUUUUUUUUUUB*
OMG MUH EYE SO STRANGE GUYZ
*WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB*
OMG SCARY STUFF SCENE CUTS
*WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB*
WAAA SOMETHING DARK JUMPED AT MEEE
*WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB*
It's like they tried to make a trailer _out_ of red flags.
You forgot the Nolan trailer dramatic sound effect
That's what the wubbing was.
Bethesda only wants to dumb down games and overhyping the fuck out of it. Cough cough, fallout, cough cough
Fallout 4 was a failed experiment, nothing more, nothing less. They improve the shooting and the weapons by the fuck load but sacrificed the story and the RPG elements. They are trying to make something new. But it was retarded of them to put one of their most profitable franchise on the chopping block like that.
Even the shooting is still below average.
cough cough Skyrim cough cough
can't stand that overrated mess
I bought Fallout 4 at launch. Bethesda's never getting a dime of my money for anything they make in-house ever again.
I played Fallout 3 for 5 hours and it was one of the most boring games that I played. I left Skyrim after 20 hours but Oblivion I played it for like 100 hours, so yeah bethesda is everyday worst and worst
Hasn't bethesda (allegedly) done the exact same things in the past with other studios?
That's what I've heard, but I wasn't able to find anything for this video.
Apparently it is pretty common.
Well, if it's true, that would certainly explain Brink
From an insider in the gaming industry. Apparently, this is much more common than one would think.
How do you think they acquired Fallout?
+CanderousXOrdo Wasn't the IP pretty much dead after Van Buren flopped in development?
I have to admit for a long time I didn't give Prey 2017 a chance because of the shenanigans with the original Prey IP. Having played Prey 2017 it quickly became a favourite of mine and I think it's one of the best immersive sims out there. I think naming it "Prey" saddled it with issues it didn't deserve and alienated a chunk of potential players rather than managing to 'cash in' on the name.
lol Quality standards from the guys who made Fallout 4. That's rich.
Don't forget about Rouge Warrior and the PlayStation 3 version of Skyrim.
Publisher an developer aren't the same. Bethesda game studios and Betgesda Softworks are different entities
n00t d00t So? They still published Fallout 4 as well.
+qwertyMrJINX Yeah but that's debatable, considering those games make money no matter how fundamentally shite or good they are due to th brain dead fans they have no options but to publish BGS games, at this point they're like a necessary evil
and Fallout 76 now
What a superb video. Well done mate.
How could anyone believe the "quality standard" BS coming from Bethesda of all places is beyond me.
Bethesda talking about quality standards..... Wow.
Bethesda has quality standards? Could have fooled me. I love they're Elder Scrolls and Fallout, but this is a series I never got to try and Prey 2 looked like it was right up my alley too.
So Bethesda destroyed a promising new ip they were impressed with and crippled a small studio out of greed, good one guys
Not even greed, but spite. Bethesda would have made a good profit off of this even if they had not bought out the studio. They just wanted to punish them for saying 'no'.
The new Prey, although different to this, is also quite good. But I would've still preferred to have gotten this game as well..
hyperbit why do you do this to me? You show gameplay and tell me about a sick game and tell me that same game will never be released :(
Why are we still here... just to suffer?
you feel it too don't you?
All for revenge!
Then never, ever look up Star Wars: 1313. Just telling you for your own good.
+Jacob Lucas No offence, but wasn't that game shown as basically "Uncharted: Star Wars Edition"?
a story of corporate bullshit. never surprising but always depressing
Ugh, that E3 demo you showed (while a bit rough around the edges) looked so cool.
Can't wait for Bioshock meets Dead Space to feature none of that rad shit.
This game would be pretty f*cking awesome mechanically and beautiful graphically even today, 5 years later, when game market is overflown with photorealistic graphics and innovative mechanics.
In 2012/13.... this would've been a blockbuster, a masterpiece. Curse you, Bethesda, for ruining this.
I honestly remember seeing the Prey 2 gameplay videos and shitting my pants with excitement, years later I completely forgot until this video. So sad to know a game of such promise is gone. Watching this LiC got my hype for a game I'll never play, but I guess that is sorta the point of the series.
Fuck Bethesda for this. This game looked so promising... I hope another developer makes a similar game to this concept. And i actually really liked the original Prey. Still have it on disc.
man ive never seen the gameplay footage of Prey 2, good god this game would've been amazing
This makes me sad. Prey 2 looked so much better than whatever Bethesda is putting out.
Those black ghost aliens look so uninspired and boring. How fun will it be to shoot at a ghost?
It reminds of the XCOM reboot debacle where XCOM was originally going to be rebooted as a "strategic" fps set in the 50s with black goo aliens and humanoids. Only with XCOM the reboot project eventually changed mid-production so much that eventually it series instead got rebooted with an actual enhanced remake that ended up being much more memorable, while the "reboot" became XCOM DECLASSIFIED and quickly forgotten about....
Do you even fucking know what a horror game is, you imbecile?
Very good games journalism! It does still exist. Remember, journalists are the historians of the now.
I hope human head use the idea of Prey 2 in their next release. It's a sound idea and would probably work in today's video game climate. It's different, original and to be honest, I really think people are waiting for an alien bounty hunting game.
Nope, they instead decided to make The Quiet Man.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. Really, many people thought that twist in Prey made it stand out as it presented an interesting angle when it comes to player agency. And I thought the whole experience was enjoyable for what it was. I liked it better than the Dishonored series. And I would understand your disdain towards ZeniMax Media and Bethesda Softworks but Arkane? They didn't do anything to Human Head. All they did was make their version of the game You are just being spiteful.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute.
But that "rubbish" was interesting and unique to many different people. There are youtubers like Extra credits and Errant signal who have gone and talked about Prey's ending in depth. You are acting like a spoiled brat here. I can understand not finding something to be as good as others have claimed it to be (Witcher 3 comes to my mind) but the attitude you are displaying here is garbage and shows your immaturity.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute.
Well that is just your own opinion then. But you didn't have to call anyone an idiot just for appreciating something you did not.
@Bethesda sucks, but Zerglings still are cute. Man your head is so far up your ass. Don't you feel any shame for acting like a douchbag?
>Bethesda
>Quality standards
ayy
Wow, how amazing Prey 2 would've been, what a great concept. And then a Prey multiplayer where you're either the prey or the predator/hunter.
Thank you, so damn much for producing this video.
the more you look into how bethesda does things behind the scenes the more you see how much scumbags they really are. i think they are worst then EA and activision
For those interested in playing the original Prey, it's only available on PC via retail but the CD keys will activate on Steam (assuming they haven't been used). Used 360 copies are easy enough to track down, but the PC version is better for obvious reasons.
Didn't Bethesda/Zenimax do the same thing to Arkane Studios, but succeeded?
Well they bought them as a studio just like others, but if it was anything more sinister (like HumanHead) than that I haven't heard of it.
www.polygon.com/2012/9/28/3425300/the-mirror-men-of-arkane
Raphael Colantonio (Arkane's founder): "... we didn't sell to [just any] publisher; we sold to the publisher that was meant for us. That would understand our values and supported us for what we wanted. Because they came for us. It's not, like, 'We just wanted to acquire some dudes, and hopefully you can make some stuff for us but we don't know what yet.' It was, 'We want you guys to work on what you know, and do it with the right horsepower.' That is awesome."
Clemens Cohn www.polygon.com
Prey 1 was such a cool game with amazing concepts. Their ideas of space were incredible. You'd be on a planet which was really just a bowling ball on a desk. Then you'd go into a small cube which would flip you upside down and teleport you into another room. Have been looking for Prey 2 for years!
WTF! They have thrown away a fully functional alien world where different aliens with different goals messed up with or helped humanity and you fought them with epic guns, parkour and many approaches to every situation, for this new rebooted System Shocked game where every enemy has the same color palette and you turn into objects to solve problems? The fans of the game are system shocked right now.
Even Tommy would appear which means there was more to the story. When we completed Prey one and the guerrilla native humans of the sphere and us traveled to the galaxy THIS was one hell of an experience....Why? Because the hero was a victim coming from our time, he lost his girlfriend and grandpa and he was forced to learn superpowers, to fight an alien harvest world, to destroy it and then travel to new worlds where other aliens with different agendas were trying to use humans.
Tommy and Kylian would be one hell of an action duo, a space barbarian and an amnesiac bounty hunter on a Bladerunner/Starwars world trying to survive. The new rebooted title may be a really badass game but branding Prey something completely different than the original title is a sign that a lot of people in Bethesda don't love videogame at all.
Bethesda lost a fan today. But human head got a huge new fan.
LOL "quality standards.." fucking Bethesda...
Just caught this vid via a link on the steam forums & wanted to say thanks, really great video covering some interesting points about the current Prey & its previous iterations. The whole Bethesda scenario wasnt something I was aware of at the time as I wasnt following that closely but sheds some light on dodgy practices.
Anyways +1 for a great vid & subbed for more:)
Its almost been a decade and I'm still mad we never got it.
Man, I didn't even know about the first Prey, let alone a sequel as conceptually awesome and well-announced as that. In this day and age where trickle-in pre-release info is the norm and Sonic Mania is *actually* one of the games we know enough about to have a really good idea of what to expect, Prey 2 getting *that* kind of reveal with so much promise and getting screwed over in the end just feels... fucking tragic.
I was SO hyped for Prey 2 :(
I enjoyed this video a lot. Great work, man!
This is a great video that was very painful to watch for me. If Prey 2 had came out and it was exactly how it looked like at E3, then there's not a single doubt in my mind that it would've been my favorite game ever. I was 13 years old when I saw that E3 2011 demo and I fell in love with the concept as I love the idea of being a bounty hunter on an alien planet with the freedom to do whatever I want.
I was originally fine with Arkane working on Prey because I thought the devs behind Dishonored would handle that concept well but the new Prey really doesn't appeal to me.
EA should fund Human head studios change the assets to Star Wars and make a Bobba Fett Game
EA is a horrible choice. lol
+vote4waifu I only say EA for the Star wars license
The original "Prey" was quality. Very original and a blast to play
Thank you for making this video. Prey 2 is a game that I still would love play to this day, don't even care if there is a leak of the alpha/beta. It's odd that I thought about the game today only then you uploaded this video.
I just would like to see more bounty hunter games (in a first or third person shooter.) I guess I'll get my old copy of Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. It's not bounty hunting in it's core but it is enjoyable.
Bethesda is basically EActivisionBisoft except that the fruits of their bad practices have been slower to catch up to them.
In addition to all this, Bethesda really needs to re-release Prey on Steam and Xbox Marketplace via backwards compatibility. I've really enjoyed some of their games this gen (mainly Wolfenstein and Doom), but they're kind of a dick publisher in a lot of ways. Take a look at how stand-offish Pete Hines (their VP of marketing/PR) got when asked about a simple re-release of Wolfenstein 2009 on Steam.
twitter.com/dcdeacon/status/592884690471755778
"Bethesda really needs to re-release Prey on Steam and Xbox Marketplace via backwards compatibility." But then that means releasing a superior product that's competing with their own. And it's not like it has $40 of DLC to sell with it either.
You can get Prey on Steam by purchasing the physical edition. The key is redeemable on Steam.
Nothinglastsforever Yup, I've got it in my library. But it'd be nice to have it right in the store considering retail keys still activate there.
Bethesda also started the DLC and microtransactions trend with their horse armor Oblivion DLC back in 2006. They also stopped Linux support for Quake Live, and made that game $10 instead of F2P. That company along with Zenimax deserves the worst and should go bankrupt.
Evidently Prey 2017 was supposed to be called psycoshock and was called PREY due to license/copyright shenagins.
Human Head Studios shut down in November of 2019. I like to imagine in an alternate universe Prey 2 did release. Humam Head joined the likes of Platinum, From Soft, and other studios, releasing a quality title every few years. That's not our universe though. Bethesda killed any chance of that.
Good work and thanks for the lowdown. I missed getting to play Prey and was even largely unaware of it, so I was curious what was behind the confusion and disappointment from fans.
I've heard a lot of bad stuff about ZeniMax and Bethesda, but this does bear the question how Tango Gameworks, MachineGames, Arkaine and id Software got aquired by them. Btw these all got aquired around the same time in 2010.
I'd imagine that they just saw a profitable deal and accepted it without much trouble. Id, for instance, wasn't doing too hot by the mid 2000's and so I don't doubt that they jumped on Bethesda's offer. The problem with the whole Human Head ordeal is that they didn't want to tie themselves to a studio (which Bethesda really should have just left alone; I can't believe how petty they got) and that they were in the middle of BUILDING A GAME for Bethesda. Whoever made the call to float the concept of buying Human Head at a time like that, and then pushed for it after the initial refusal, really was a total idiot.
It's like asking how EA bought out all those great companies between 2004 and 2007, they just had money and bought things with potential only to leech them dry and cast aside the husks.
The name is just a name. Through and through. Tom Hall from id came up with the concept and the whole time has been a working title that was slapped on two different good titles. Prey itself is vaporware.
Why is the new simply called "Prey"? The series only has one game. Hardly enough to make a reboot.
Prey 1 was great except for the fact that I had to play in small chunks so I didn't blow chunks... The upside down stuff made me legitimately nauseous.
When did Bethesda care about quality? They just release the game and then the fans fix the mess with mods.
Let this be a lesson to learn, greed kills both ambition and potential.
This still hurts. I wish there was a way to revive this game.
still remember wanting to see more Prey 2 than GTA V
But now in the new Prey, we get to become a Cup. -_-
So, the whole sci fi bounty hunter thing with a bit of platforming would have made this like a grittier Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath?
If I want to play a game that looks like BioShock, I would just play Bioshock
Yes, I've been waiting forever for these videos. LOVE EM!!!
Bethesda "Quality" "Standards"
weird hearing that spoken
The original Prey 2 was ahead of its time for sure
EA and Ubisoft gets all the bad press, I knew some details but this video actually made me angry for Human Head.
Also
>Didn't meet Bethesda's quality standards
That's a laugh and a half.
I'm almost getting the feeling that Arkane's Prey is sort of a personal vendetta against now-defunct Irrational Games, or at least started out as such. The visual design and presentation builds right upon BioShock's - including deja-vu moments such as the trash can rolling down the staircase - and even the shape-shifting aliens are pretty much repurposed from Irrational's canned XCOM FPS that would later come back as 2K Marin's The Bureau. As such, Prey seems highly derivative in a very deliberate and calculated way, as if to say "We hated what they did with BioShock, so we decided to make our own", adding back in the missing bits from System Shock that were in none of the "official" spiritual successors aside from Deus Ex, namely the grid-based inventory screen, and non-linear skill tree, while also retaining the nonsensical alt-history weirdness, and of course "Steady now, your genetic code is being rewritten!"
first Prey was Epic....RIP Tommy
Would be funny if pray 2 "leaked" around the same time that the reboot is released....
But hey, we could get a cool sci-fi bounty hunter game from Star Wars... Oh wait, EA owns the license for Star Wars games now?
Man, nothing about this situation has worked in our favor. Usually there's at least SOME form of silver lining.
Awesome video once again. I hate that open world alien bounty hunter games keep falling apart. It's such an awesome concept.
Damn, why are game developers always treated like shit? It's time the industry grows up.
So went from Badass Space-Cop Bounty Hunter, to kill the Blacks.